View Full Version : Colorado Tries to Tax Online Sales
iamhunter
03-08-2010, 09:56
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/03/colorado_law_adds_new_twist_to_amazon_sales_tax_de bate.html
As a result Amazon.com is cutting ties with all affiliates based in Colorado.
I suggest writing to our representatives to repeal this idiotic law.
Why would I purchase stuff online, pay shipping + handling, AND tax, and have to wait for my stuff,
when I could just go down to a best buy?
Greed is going to destroy this nation, I swear it.
Oh but this kind of greed is OK, because it is the government, and not some corporation or individual. /sarc off
Federal and state government is rapidly getting out of hand. We need to rein them back a good bit.
Troublco
03-08-2010, 10:06
Ah, yes, the results of the Taxocrats in action.
Way to go, Wild Bill. Syphilitic[Rant1]F***ing[Mad]MORON![Rant2]
After we rein them in, someone needs to put a good shock collar on them!
Beprepared
03-08-2010, 10:09
[Rant1][Rant2][Mad][Rant2][Bang][Abused][Jail]
Originally posted by Troublco: After we rein them in, someone needs to put a good shock collar on them!
I think 'breaking on the wheel' would be more appropriate.
Bailey Guns
03-08-2010, 10:14
Yep...this one really pissed me off when I read about it last week. Thanks, Tax Ritter and the Colorado legislature...f**king jerks. Just what the average person needs...more tax burdens.
If these morons hadn't gotten the state into the mess it's in with out of control spending this wouldn't have happened.
At least it's being called what it is...a tax, rather than a "fee".
Troublco
03-08-2010, 10:20
Reminds me of a line out of The Patriot......."An elected legislature can trample a man's rights just as easily as a Monarchy".
Those idiots need to stop interpreting what we all want done, or stop ignoring the constituency entirely to focus on what they want.
Bailey Guns
03-08-2010, 10:30
Just FYI...of the 9 tax bills in the CO senate, 100% of Republicans voted against them. This is, once again, on the demoncrats.
100% of the Republicans in the house and senate voted against this bill.
If you vote democrat, thanks a lot. I hope people remember this bullshit when November rolls around.
PogoManiac7
03-08-2010, 10:41
Just FYI...of the 9 tax bills in the CO senate, 100% of Republicans voted against them. This is, once again, on the demoncrats.
100% of the Republicans in the house and senate voted against this bill.
If you vote democrat, thanks a lot. I hope people remember this bullshit when November rolls around.
This is a great point for the people who would argue that both parties are responsible for this tax and spend crap. You cannot blame the Republicans here (sure they might be responsible for other irresponsible spending).
Unenforceable. Here's an idea: Cut spending, instead of trying to generate more revenue to continue funding entitlement programs. Ritter has cut higher ed funding, while signing a bill that allows illegal aliens to take advantage of in state tuition rates. Seriously, WTF? [Bang]
I was just informed by Amazon that they've canceled the Amazon Associates program for us in Colorado because of this. I made nearly a dollar off of it in the past 5 years, but I'm sure someone somewhere will effected.
Regrettably, as a result of the new law, we have decided to stop advertising through Associates based in Colorado. We plan to continue to sell to Colorado residents, however, and will advertise through other channels, including through Associates based in other states.
There is a right way for Colorado to pursue its revenue goals, but this new law is a wrong way. As we repeatedly communicated to Colorado legislators, including those who sponsored and supported the new law, we are not opposed to collecting sales tax within a constitutionally-permissible system applied even-handedly. The US Supreme Court has defined what would be constitutional, and if Colorado would repeal the current law or follow the constitutional approach to collection, we would welcome the opportunity to reinstate Colorado-based Associates.
Your Associates account has been closed as of March 8, 2010, and we will no longer pay advertising fees for customers you refer to Amazon.com after that date. Please be assured that all qualifying advertising fees earned prior to March 8, 2010, will be processed and paid in accordance with our regular payment schedule. Based on your account closure date of March 8, any final payments will be paid by May 31, 2010.
Bailey Guns
03-08-2010, 11:42
Unenforceable. Here's an idea: Cut spending, instead of trying to generate more revenue to continue funding entitlement programs. Ritter has cut higher ed funding, while signing a bill that allows illegal aliens to take advantage of in state tuition rates. Seriously, WTF? [Bang]
Thank you. WTF ever happened to people taking responsibility for their lives. I don't mind helping the small portion of the population that truly needs help.
Bailey Guns
03-08-2010, 11:44
I was just informed by Amazon that they've canceled the Amazon Associates program for us in Colorado because of this. I made nearly a dollar off of it in the past 5 years, but I'm sure someone somewhere will effected.
I'm pretty sure this was retaliation against the new law. It's unfortunate that Amazon is using their affiliates as a way to get a poke in on the Colorado legislature. But, maybe the affiliates that are affected will start making some calls and get involved.
Remember in November.
iamhunter
03-08-2010, 11:59
I'm pretty sure this was retaliation against the new law. It's unfortunate that Amazon is using their affiliates as a way to get a poke in on the Colorado legislature. But, maybe the affiliates that are affected will start making some calls and get involved.
Remember in November.
also, states like NY, NC, and RI tried using the affiliate program as basis to argue that Amazon had a physical nexus in those states, which opens the door for enforcement.
Richard K
03-08-2010, 12:03
I wonder how this will affect out of state gun purchases. Will your FFL have to charge tax?
If so, I can envision that small, home based FFL's will stop handling transfers.
sabot_round
03-08-2010, 12:18
Well, that blows donkey!!
Wouldnt this be in violation of Interstate Commerce?
Forcing a company in say, Texas, to collect sales tax on purchases going to Colorado, then send those taxes to Colorado?
Seems like a lot more work without any benefit to them. Which means they will be forced to stop making sales to Colorado...
68Charger
03-08-2010, 12:28
Wouldnt this be in violation of Interstate Commerce?
Forcing a company in say, Texas, to collect sales tax on purchases going to Colorado, then send those taxes to Colorado?
Seems like a lot more work without any benefit to them. Which means they will be forced to stop making sales to Colorado...
it clearly is to me, but Kalifornia has been getting away with it... somebody needs to challenge it in court (maybe it has/is being challenged, I don't follow it).. but when I bought something from TDS, they charged sales tax because they're required to pay it currently.
I guess the difference is that the sale orginated in California, and so they pressure/force the business with a sales tax license to pay taxes on sales, even if they go out of state
I had wondered why starting a year or 2 ago, that iTunes had started charging sales tax on my music purchases...
funkfool
03-08-2010, 13:06
The Colorado law requires online retailers to inform state residents that their web purchases are subject to state sales tax both at the time of checkout and in an end-of-year summary, said Mark Couch, a spokesman for the Colorado Department of Revenue. The state Department of Revenue may ask online retailers that do more than $100,000 in annual sales to provide data on what individual Colorado residents spend each year (without breaking out specific purchases). Here's the full text (http://assets.bizjournals.com/cms_media/pdf/ColoradoBill.pdf?site=techflash.com) of the bill.
I never buy anything online.... *wink*
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I never buy anything online.... *wink*
[Wink]
So wait, we get taxed twice???
funkfool
03-08-2010, 15:32
Not sure on that yet...
However, this IS in there...
"SECTION 6. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds,
determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate
preservation of the public peace, health, and safety."
Preservation of public peace, health, and safety?!?!?
[Rant1][Rant2][Mad]
Not sure on that yet...
However, this IS in there...
"SECTION 6. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds,
determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate
preservation of the public peace, health, and safety."
Preservation of public peace, health, and safety?!?!?
[Rant1][Rant2][Mad]
Shit will hit the fan if everybody dont get their welfare checks!
cowboykjohnson
03-08-2010, 16:18
Shit will hit the fan if everybody dont get their welfare checks!
I know I would go crazy without mine.... wait never mind I pay for theirs[Bang]
I can see alot of out of state companies not selling to CO residents because why should they hire/pay personel to collect state tax not of their own and then send it back to CO.
agreed with mtn.man
i go to school up in NE so looks like i am going to ship crap to my college now. haha and run it across the boarder i wonder if they are going to set up board check points seeing if you paid tax for the items. what the heck has happened to are good state of Colorado???? stupid ritter i hope he is in pain from his broken rib bike ride or what ever it was. [Rant1][Rant2]
llostwolf
03-08-2010, 22:16
Taxing everything they can. [Rant2]
I think Ritter heard something about "change" and thought citizens shouldn't have any change when it could wasted by the government.
A little off topic but I received a notice that the new soda and candy tax goes into effect on May 1st. [Pepsi] another 2.9% from my pocket and into the free spending fund.
I thought taxes had to be approved by a vote? That's why all the increases in car registration were called "Fees" It's all a load of BS
This goes hand in hand with Obama trying to re-energize international tourism to the US by......deep breath......charging everyone $10 to come here.
This goes hand in hand with Obama trying to re-energize international tourism to the US by......deep breath......charging everyone $10 to come here.
Anyone who doesn't have to go through the visa process and pay the other fees (10x that or more, I forget exactly) isn't going to be deterred by a $10 fee. It's getting the visa -- depending on where you are from -- and dealing with the security theater in the airports that will deter visitation.
The guy on the radio said that it is MUCH more expensive to visit any other country, except they hide the fees in the airline tickets. I think he said it was over $100 for most of Europe and $39 for Australia. I'm not going to lie, that was a stretch.
A lot of expense at visas for US citizens to other countries is due to reciprocity -- the US charges $131 (generally) for a tourist visa to the USA, so many foreign countries have adopted that same fee for US citizens to visit their country. This is often 2-5 times what non-US citizens pay.
From State's web site (http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1262.html):
The presumption in the law is that every visitor visa applicant is an intending immigrant. Therefore, applicants for visitor visas must overcome this presumption by demonstrating that:
The purpose of their trip is to enter the U.S. for business, pleasure, or medical treatment;
That they plan to remain for a specific, limited period;
Evidence of funds to cover expenses in the United States;
Evidence of compelling social and economic ties abroad; and
That they have a residence outside the U.S. as well as other binding ties that will insure their return abroad at the end of the visit.
They can be kind of FU about it, too. That said, I DO get that in the case of folks coming from poorer countries to richer, that is a valid consideration. At the same time, there is almost no monitoring going on so once you're in the US, it's easier to disappear. The only fix for that is to be a more authoritarian state, which is obviously antithetical to the freedom-loving ideas of our Constitution...despite the government erosion of many of it's tenets.
And old "tax" is now wondering the justfication for Amazon "pulling out" of the state... [LOL]
The sad part is I took one semester of General Bussiness back in 9th grade, and I believe I understand economics better than these enlightend fools.
Can't have TOO many taxes......
And just how does this help the CO deficit?
We are truly led by idiots, and for the most we are idiots for letting this continue and continue.
I'm still upset that I have to pay taxes on fines and fees. If I get a speeding ticket, my fine is a DIRECT payment to the government. What the fuck do they need another cut for?
theGinsue
03-09-2010, 10:28
Not sure on that yet...
However, this IS in there...
"SECTION 6. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds,
determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate
preservation of the public peace, health, and safety."
Preservation of public peace, health, and safety?!?!?
Oh golly, I can't believe you're still bothered by this little tax, after all, it's for the children!
[Puke]
And old "tax" is now wondering the justfication for Amazon "pulling out" of the state... [LOL]
The sad part is I took one semester of General Bussiness back in 9th grade, and I believe I understand economics better than these enlightend fools.
According to the news last night, Amazon is pulling back it's Colorado affiliates Shouldn't that tell OUR legislators SOMETHING? Now, we're losing employment and business which means LESS tax revenue. So, someone please tell me again how this is supposed to HELP our state? I feel like I'm back in Taxachusetts.
theGinsue
03-09-2010, 10:30
I'm still upset that I have to pay taxes on fines and fees. If I get a speeding ticket, my fine is a DIRECT payment to the government. What the fuck do they need another cut for?
Silly boy. If they can tax what you pay to other institutions, why not tax what you pay to them? It's actually simple rape and pillage economics.
That's what they want you to do. The sales tax at a local store is higher than the online tax (the online sales tax is like 2.1% I think), so they will get you to pay for shopping online or get you to pay more for shopping at your local store, either way cough it up.
That's what they want you to do. The sales tax at a local store is higher than the online tax (the online sales tax is like 2.1% I think), so they will get you to pay for shopping online or get you to pay more for shopping at your local store, either way cough it up.
depends on the county some only charge the state tax+1% or so.
After we rein them in, someone needs to put a good shock collar on them!
nah, we need to pull a Chevy Chase and drag them behind a car on a leash for a few miles.
Just FYI...of the 9 tax bills in the CO senate, 100% of Republicans voted against them. This is, once again, on the demoncrats.
100% of the Republicans in the house and senate voted against this bill.
If you vote democrat, thanks a lot. I hope people remember this bullshit when November rolls around.
the fucking dems are morons.
Shit will hit the fan if everybody dont get their welfare checks!
where is the pic of that chick stuart posted that got shot in the side. she is probably happy about this.
I can see alot of out of state companies not selling to CO residents because why should they hire/pay personel to collect state tax not of their own and then send it back to CO.
I can see that for the bigger companies, but the smaller ones that have no idea will either get a rude awakening or hopefully just blow them off.
the fucking dems are morons.
But the democrats are the smartest people in the room. /sarc off
Remember this and remember referendum C. Vote accordingly. The socialists among us are trying to kill the best thing that ever happened to the world - The United States of America.
Batteriesnare
03-09-2010, 14:20
nah, we need to pull a Chevy Chase and drag them behind a car on a leash for a few miles.
Duct tape Ritter to his bike and then do this. If the car doesn't cause him to crash, surely his own biking skills will.
Do it with out a helmet while you're at it.
cowboykjohnson
03-09-2010, 14:29
Duct tape Ritter to his bike and then do this. If the car doesn't cause him to crash, surely his own biking skills will.
Do it with out a helmet while you're at it.
+1 [ROFL1]
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