View Full Version : What slings do you guys use?
I need to start outfitting my AR's with slings. I like the single and three point designs with QD swivels or clips , but I'm not really sure which brands to consider. What do you guys use?
gnihcraes
03-16-2010, 07:54
I recently bought the magpul sling, pretty nice setup. single/double point. easy to adjust... using their single point mount
StagLefty
03-16-2010, 15:52
Got a 2-point Gear Sector on my carbine and a wide VTac on my varmint.
Ask yourself what you plan on using the rifle for? will you be just plinking and a simple 2 or 3 point will do, or will you be wearing armor where a bungee type single point is best? Will you be holding point (sometimes for hours) where a bungee adds to fatigue on your neck? Lots of movement after a transition to secondary weapon or suspect vs. weapon control is more crutial, the tightning down feature of a 2 point is helpful. Are you left handed and a 3 point blocks the ejection port of your rifle and can possibly induce a malfunction? Consider all of these factors. I personally have several slings for my rifle depending on what I am doing or my needs. Singlepoint bungee with armor and PSD work in & out of vehicles and a MagPul MS2 for teaching civilians that will not have the gear in the way on their chest. No shoe fits every role, the same applies to slings. I suggest starting out with an economical single point to start and see how your needs develop from there....
This should really make u think. I have to say that one sling can do every job... I'm also an voiced hater of the single point sling as I've seen more accidents and injuries occur with this type of sling than any other.
Most of the operators at 10th group have gone to the 2 point VTAC sling. I have met both Mike and Kyle from VTAC. They are both ex CAG guys. The sling is phenomenal, it's all I use. For everything.
Any sling that is similar will work. It's the concept.
You can fast rope with it. Breach with it. Carry a second long gun and still access both by just tightening one and loosening the other. You can sling it over ur back to climb walls. It adjusts instantly to body armor. You can use it for off hand by tightening it. U can shoot weak side in under a second transition. Trust me, I've done it all with this sling.
3 point gets in the way of the operation of the gun and doesn't adjust as fast. Single point leaves your muzzle free when not controlled by your hands. Like in a transition to pistol, shotgun or climbing and roping. I saw a guy catch his buttstock in the chin and bust it open when the muzzle got stuck on his pant leg in a fast rope excercise.
2 point adjustable sling offers the most versatility and control than anything else ..... If u don't believe me then come out with me to my range and we can do an obstacle course and it will change ur mind for sure!! I was sold on it after the VTAC carbine instructors course I went to.
This is not a shameless plug for Viking tactics. But the style of sling is awesome. I make my own now for all my guns...
I've used the VTAC sling (I have one of Kyle's early ones). The main problems I have with it are that 1) the pull tab gets caught on stuff (murphy's law) and 2) as my main job is PSD, it is impossible to use in a suburban/land rover and makes entries and exits from vehicles difficult. I'm not ropin in anymore (single point around back works just fine for that), breach guy (mechanical or explosive) has no problems with single point weapon retention, and simplicity usually prevalis over complexity. Just my thoughts....
I really like my Blue Force Gear Victory Sling (2 point). It's a less expensive version of their Vicker's Sling. It's extremely fast to adjust. If I buy another it'll probably be the padded Vicker's version as I have ended up on some rather long hikes while coyote hunting and the padding would have been nice.
2 point TIS with slip cuff on my long range setup. VTAC 2 point on medium range setup.
I've used the VTAC sling (I have one of Kyle's early ones). The main problems I have with it are that 1) the pull tab gets caught on stuff (murphy's law) and 2) as my main job is PSD, it is impossible to use in a suburban/land rover and makes entries and exits from vehicles difficult. I'm not ropin in anymore (single point around back works just fine for that), breach guy (mechanical or explosive) has no problems with single point weapon retention, and simplicity usually prevalis over complexity. Just my thoughts....
Valid points, I guess it just does come down to personal preference then. I have never had any trouple getting in and out of hilux's, up'd hummers, or even lovely little kia's with a 2 point, in full kit. But maybe it's cuz I'm only 5'8. As for breaching. I would love to see you run a quickie saw or broco with a single point! You must have mad skills. And as for explosive breaching, I was a cell breacher for 5 years, and before I found the 2 point, that MDI whipping out from the door caught my barrel more than once.
as far as runnig the saw or torch, that just became your primary duty. push the rifle around the back and get to cutting. When blowing doors/walls/fence, toss the inititaor (throw very hard) out of the way when preparing to go in, the shock tube will follow.
Vtac for me, I may buy another for my primary hunting rifle also.
dbfoerster
04-11-2010, 15:05
VTAC as in Viking Tactics?
MichiganMilitia
04-13-2010, 00:15
I have a GearSector 2 pt sling: http://www.gearsector.com/browse/category/slings/two-point-slings/
I also have a standard VTAC 2 pt sling. I would prefer the GearSector sling over the VTAC any day, hands down. GearSector quality is unmatched. Also, I bought one of their custom adapters and now I can transition between single pt and 2 point sling in about 3 seconds.
Vtac
Magpul MS2 on my SBR
YammyMonkey
04-27-2010, 22:47
I've been happy running my VTAC sling attached to a Magpul ASAP in the rear & pretty close to the receiver on the forend. The ASAP allows you to transition shoulders just as easily as you would with a single point & it also allows the gun to hang closer to vertical when slung which is nice if you're training/working around others.
I want to give the MS2 a try, but that experiment is pretty far down the list of things to buy.
Thanks for all the good info guys. I wound up ordering some magpul ms3's and asap plates after talking with Rob at Bowers. Soon my AR's will be complete, at least until I choose to change things again =)
Arguru15
05-16-2010, 17:21
Vtac padded sling
DocMedic
05-16-2010, 17:59
Whats a sling?
OgenRwot
05-16-2010, 19:40
Padded VTAC Viking Tactics. I love the thing.
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_sling_VTAC-MK1-a.html
kidicarus13
05-16-2010, 19:52
Bought this recently and really like it so far.
http://www.uscav.com/productinfo.aspx?productID=19842&TabID=548
Arguru15
05-21-2010, 20:50
Just Bought this: Vickers
http://ar-15tactical.com/items/ar-15-slings/vickers-padded-tactical-sling-two-point-vickers-padded-two-pointsling-detail.htm
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MOUNT-N-SLOT
08-14-2010, 21:23
Padded VTAC Viking Tactics. I love the thing.
http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_sling_VTAC-MK1-a.html
+1... LOVE IT!!!
agent-smith
08-17-2010, 06:10
Magpul MS2.
Admittedly, I don't think I've ever used it as a "single-point" and I just use it as a two-point.
I have a Magpull MS2. A Vickers 2 point . Also you might want to check out the nylon neck sling from Cylinder & Slide that I use sometimes.The NAVY SEALS have their own version ,using bungee cords.Simply snap the loop around your neck .It has a foreward adjustable loop for either thumb.For a rifle,if your right handed,insert your left thumb,grab the foreward part of the forearm and push foreward;but not to much.For a pistol use your right thumb. This strap will give you a rock solid hold that feels akin to shooting off the bench.I sure your groups will improve dramaticly.You will be able to hold the gun offhand for a very long time. For pistols,its a dream. It does not seem to cause me any neck pain.Cost's about $7 dollars.The bad thing about it,is that someone could try to garote you with it.
Like many of us I've run the gambit of sling types and quality. I started out with an older M-60 sling(s) then added HK Hook to them. Still love that sling, ran it on my M-16/203 set up for 4 years in the Army back in the day. The downfall of that sling was the complete lack of rapid adjustment.
I've run single points both with and without armor (Eagle LE Carrier today, MARCIRAS previously) and found that I really didn't like the sway and swing that the rifle had. I've changed out and tried out many of the common sling and connector types. Today with my current configuration, I'm running VTAC's or the 5.11 slick nylon padded versions. I use QD swivels on all of them, though honestly, when petty cash comes back into my wallet, I will most likely change over to HK hooks and the ASP mounts and loop hook points for the front connections. I'll keep my current slings because what I've realized is that by simply changing the connection type I can if needed (vehicle born mostly) a single point configuration make the weapon more manageable. On foot, during movement or even on the bench, I have learned that for me a 2 point connection is the best configuration.
All I guess I'm really trying to say is that you have to decide for yourself. It doesn't matter what the "Seals" or 10th group guy are doing (they are doing what works for them and their command allows them to configure as they deem appropriate) is really not what will work for you. The VTAC has a huge following for a reason, it's quality kit. I prefer padded sling because its nice to have when not running armor and it doesn't impact the use while in armor (not that I wear that heavy shit too much). 3 Point slings look cool, but as many are pointing out, they were more or less a fad. Having the flexibility to go between a traditional 2 point mounting and single point is valuable if that is a need you have. Single point mounting has some very serious draw backs, but does have a role. For most of us low speed high drag guys, keeping your solution simple and then practicing with it like you do with anything else (hopefully a lot) is what is important.
Think about what you need and what your typical use needs to be, then define the priority of other configurations and their place in your world. Again, just because the High Speed guys at the pointy end of the spear are doing something, doesn't mean that it's right for you. It simply means there is merit in understanding why they are running the gear they use in the way they use it.
gcrookston
09-29-2010, 09:23
On my precision rifles I like the M1907. On my Tacticool rifles I prefer just the plain ol' nylon impregnated 2 point slings -- though when the zombie apocalypse comes, I may regret this.
Colorado Pete
03-20-2011, 19:41
Ching. But most of my stuff is hunting rifles, not AR platform.
AirbornePathogen
03-21-2011, 13:18
My two cents, I run a Blackhawk Storm single-point with a mash clip, mounted to a Magpul ASAP. Since my rifle doesn't have a front sling attachment point, I'm a bit short on options without adding another rail up front, and an RSA or something of that nature. I ran a Blackhawk Snap Shoot 2-point on my old rifle, and when I was in the service, I usually used a Canadian Army issue 2-point with a lift the dot snap, that worked ok. I don't know who manufactured it.
Byte Stryke
03-21-2011, 14:07
Magpul MS2
single point config.
but then I dont do any door kicking or other craziness
VCAS with QD swivels on each end. Love it way more than the MS2 but I only had the MS2 single point and hated it.
funkfool
03-22-2011, 09:58
Old School G.I.
[Abused]
Same here
USGI (http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/index.php?p=detail&pid=10&cat_id=) sling
ChadAmberg
03-22-2011, 10:10
A VCAS (Vickers) padded on mine...
CMP_5.56
03-24-2011, 01:47
Vtac wide with qd swivels on both ends. Mounted to DD ambi mount rear, and Vtac LUSA on handguard. I want to try a Mount-N-Slot restricted qd mount in front though.
Knowing next to nothing about tactical type slings, I found some instructions for a 3 point sling and built it. Works pretty well (I think) so I've kept it on the gun Go http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=19&t=252462 for the instructions.
Cannon Fodder
03-27-2011, 10:10
Brian (LEO) and his family run a business in Ohio making excellent slings. SavvySniper.com (http://www.savvysniper.com). They offer a LEO / Military discount for their slings.
After a bit of dialogue with them, they made me a customized 1:2 pt. Dual QD / HK Snap Hook sling. I love it because I can swap between the weapons I do have that have QD systems, and those that do not.
Quad Dual QD Sling (http://www.savvysniper.com/dualquad.html).
They also offer Mount-n-Slot options, and pretty much anything you can think of. If they don't directly make it, they'll probably rig up something to your liking. I couldn't be happier.
I use a tac-strap single point that converts into a 2 point sling. its like the Magpul ms2 sling but the width is much larger. Haven't gotten to run with it but nice quality sling.
CO-Exprs
05-23-2011, 10:07
I just spent a month or so looking at and comparing slings. I was running a Magpul, which seems really cool at first to be able to go from 2 point to single. In the end, I came to the conclusion that the magpul is over engineered and simply doesn't function as well as it should. I looked at all of the major brands and found that a good old VTac 2 point sling offers the most adjustability and flexibility. Cinch it up tight across the front or back, muzzle up or down, right or left direction. Tighten up for a steady shot, loosen up and its just a flexible as a single point. I can transition just as quickly from stong to weak side. Single points are cool, but nothing beats the versatility of a good 2 point and the VTac is still the king of the 2 point sling.
I just spent a month or so looking at and comparing slings. I was running a Magpul, which seems really cool at first to be able to go from 2 point to single. In the end, I came to the conclusion that the magpul is over engineered and simply doesn't function as well as it should. I looked at all of the major brands and found that a good old VTac 2 point sling offers the most adjustability and flexibility. Cinch it up tight across the front or back, muzzle up or down, right or left direction. Tighten up for a steady shot, loosen up and its just a flexible as a single point. I can transition just as quickly from stong to weak side. Single points are cool, but nothing beats the versatility of a good 2 point and the VTac is still the king of the 2 point sling.
The single point sling was initially introduced for subgun use, and somehow made its way over to the long gun. I have used one on my breaching shotgun, but that was also held with a retainer on my strongside. On the numerous missions I have conducted, I had never found a situation where the single point sling was a benefit for a long gun. Eventually group bought a slew of VTAC slings and thats all we used from that point on. I love mine and have one on all my long guns. I would pay money to anyone who can show me a scenario where a single point sling is a benefit over an adjustable 2 point on a rifle.
. I would pay money to anyone who can show me a scenario where a single point sling is a benefit over an adjustable 2 point on a rifle.
Getting in & out of a vehicle. (I accept cash)
Getting in & out of a vehicle. (I accept cash)
Now I'm curious as to where and with whom you have operated. Checked all your sites but don't know your name.
your on - you show up with your single + kit.
task one will be to exit the vehicle carrying a door drop bag and your primary entry device. cover from the vehicle to the breach point will be handled by "teammates" as in real life.
task two will be to attempt to use a door breaching device-(don't worry , i have a few)
and task three will be a simulated main charge placement.
we can do each of these from any vehicle position you like!!
and then - just for some non military fun - control a principle while moving from a hit vehicle to a secondary...
only rule, positive control of the muzzle direction at all times :) just like it should be.
I'll take cash or charge - no checks. ;)
but then again - if you are just riding around in trucks and teaching people how to look cool, I guess that single point is the best one for you!
Edit : After reading this - none of it sounds like as much fun as it used to be LOL
CO-Exprs
06-02-2011, 11:55
That sounded a bit like a double dog dare. I need to see this done. I don't own a truck or look cool, so I can't visualize this superior single point vehicle exit.
Now I'm curious as to where and with whom you have operated. Checked all your sites but don't know your name.
your on - you show up with your single + kit.
task one will be to exit the vehicle carrying a door drop bag and your primary entry device. cover from the vehicle to the breach point will be handled by "teammates" as in real life. you have 2 hands right? 1 on the weapon, the other on ddb (why use a that? completely unncessary). Mech tools are on back of asst. breacher, demo pre-constructed in dump pouch, shotty slung & retained....and you are using your rifle until you get to the breach point, you're not a breacher until you get to the door. For larger breaches, asst. breacher is carrying charge as you would have the MDI and be his security.
task two will be to attempt to use a door breaching device-(don't worry , i have a few)
really? this is your test? Should I bring our breaching bay & doors as well?
and task three will be a simulated main charge placement.
again, really? how about a live charge???
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we can do each of these from any vehicle position you like!!
makes no difference. Driver is not breacher so...
and then - just for some non military fun - control a principle while moving from a hit vehicle to a secondary...Again...2 hands. If the principle needs more guidance than one hand, sling behind you, grab & go...
only rule, positive control of the muzzle direction at all times :) just like it should be.
did you think that isn't implied??
I'll take cash or charge - no checks. ;)
but then again - if you are just riding around in trucks and teaching people how to look cool, I guess that single point is the best one for you! We're not Tactical Response....
Edit : After reading this - none of it sounds like as much fun as it used to be LOL
...two-point VCAS (non-padded) w/ Vltor QD swivels...
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r14/cunroe/hk3.jpg
Finally landed on the setup I've been striving for as of last weekend, two-point VCAS (non-padded) w/ Vltor QD swivels and...removed that damn stock Colt M203 sling side-mount and went to the aft rail swivel location. Very little experience with the setup to-date but...its what I wanted.
It seems you have the rear mount opposite to the front mount. Is that a normal setup? Most pics I see have it the other way, with both attachments on the same side of the rifle.
I'm trying to sort out the rear mounting options for my VCAS as well... The rifle is comfortable and supported shooting primary, but any switch to offhand requires me to bring the strap up over my left shoulder to get enough slack. Maybe I just need a bit more slack in general.
+1 for the Blue Force Gear sling
DANGERTASTIC!
09-20-2011, 12:23
Duct Tape and 550.
xtremesvc
09-20-2011, 19:50
Leather..
USMC88-93
09-20-2011, 20:07
Same here
USGI (http://www.appleseedstore.flyingcart.com/index.php?p=detail&pid=10&cat_id=) sling
Cant ship to Colorado? Must be due to interned sales tax reasons. Strange.
It seems you have the rear mount opposite to the front mount. Is that a normal setup? Most pics I see have it the other way, with both attachments on the same side of the rifle.
I've tried both, this setup is my current preference. "Normal?" Don't care (serious not sarcastic) as normal for me is what I decide is "normal."
Buckaroobonsai
10-02-2011, 19:10
Just ordered an Urban ERT sling for my FS2000. Considering the only other choice for the FS2000 is the factory sling, I like how it easily converts from 1 to 2 points, and how you can sinch it up or out as needed. At $70 shipped, it's expensive, but I'll see if it's worth it soon, as I should have it by tomorrow.
http://www.urbanertslings.com/
http://uertslings.com/images/FN_Forum_Pics/2-02-11-MC-1P.jpg
soldier-of-the-apocalypse
10-03-2011, 13:43
im running the magpul ms-2 with a rsa and asap plate and i LOVE it i will be getting the ms-3 ASAP
I put on an Ares Armor Huskey Slider...I am still undecided...
Most of the operators at 10th group have gone to the 2 point VTAC sling.
This is not a shameless plug for Viking tactics. But the style of sling is awesome. I make my own now for all my guns...
+1 for the VTAC Sling.
lowspeed_highdrag
06-10-2012, 04:42
The BFG VCAS is basically the Gold Standard now as far as 2 Pt Slings go. Now that BFG has an NSN on the VCAS, I am seeing alot more pop up in not only line units but also support as well. Most top tier shooters in the civilian world are using them as well.
I was directly involved in the T&E of the Ares Huskey, and as a result have a surplus of them. I am using them because they are "just as good" as the VCAS, but will buy a VCAS when I eventually run out of Huskeys (I give them to new shooters when I see them rocking silly 1 or 3 pts).
Cylinder Head
07-03-2012, 08:21
VTAC Padded sling in Multicam for me.
whitbaby
07-16-2012, 13:49
The BFG VCAS is basically the Gold Standard now as far as 2 Pt Slings go. Now that BFG has an NSN on the VCAS, I am seeing alot more pop up in not only line units but also support as well. Most top tier shooters in the civilian world are using them as well.
I was directly involved in the T&E of the Ares Huskey, and as a result have a surplus of them. I am using them because they are "just as good" as the VCAS, but will buy a VCAS when I eventually run out of Huskeys (I give them to new shooters when I see them rocking silly 1 or 3 pts).
Man we're gonna hafta get a glossary started on this website...I'm sure the 'old salts' know all this lingo but it's sure a mess to learn much for us newbies...
BFG ???
VCAS ???
NSN ???
T&E ???
Mick-Boy
07-16-2012, 20:58
Man we're gonna hafta get a glossary started on this website...I'm sure the 'old salts' know all this lingo but it's sure a mess to learn much for us newbies...
BFG ???
VCAS ???
NSN ???
T&E ???
BFG - Blue Force Gear (http://www.blueforcegear.com/)
VCAS - Vickers Combat Applications Sling (http://www.blueforcegear.com/vickers-combat-applications-sling/)
NSN - National Stock Number
T&E - Testing and Evaluation.
Hope that helps.
I'm a fan of the BFG VCAS as well. I've got the VTAC (Viking Tactics ;) ) sling on a few guns but my preference is for the VCAS.
NightCat
08-17-2012, 21:07
Magpul MS3 CB.
I use a national match leather sling on my match target.
I made a 1pt/2pt convertible out of a VCAS
Best sling in existence
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