Somoene shot at Tanner 20MAR10

[DD977GM2]

9News Link
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134994&catid=339

Probably one of the few reasons I do not go to the gun shows. I just hate when someone is this fucking stupid and gets someone seriously hurt or even worse. All this will do is help the anti agenda. Fucking pisses me off that fucking retards allow this to happen.[Rant1][Rant1] [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1]

ETA: Edited for grammatical errors

[Daniel_187]

not again

[trlcavscout]

I havent been to a gun show here since like 92, but in Las Vegas NV all the guns had to be locked open and have a strap through it to show it was empty whether it was on display or taken in. Do they have any regs in place like that here? Just curious how this happens. Sad, but yet BS at the same time.

[esaabye]

I left at 12:45 today, was pretty packed.

Every weapon has a plastic tie used to lock the bolt or otherwise prevent this type of thing. Last time the isue was a dealer who did not secure their personal sidearm correctly, had left one in the chamber if I recall.

I think many people forget the basic rules when at a gun show or shop. You would not dry fire at home without clearing first but many will do just that at a gun show. [Rant2]

It is to bad, just feeds the liberals and drives up show costs.

[Batteriesnare]

9News Link
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=134994&catid=339

Probably one of the few reasons I do not go to the gun shows. I just hat ewhen someone is this fucking stupid and gets someone seriously hurt or even worse. All this will do is help the anit agenda. Fucking pisses me off that fucking retards.[Rant1][Rant1] [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1]

This.

[trlcavscout]

I left at 12:45 today, was pretty packed.

Every weapon has a plastic tie used to lock the bolt or otherwise prevent this type of thing. Last time the isue was a dealer who did not secure their personal sidearm correctly, had left one in the chamber if I recall.

I think many people forget the basic rules when at a gun show or shop. You would not dry fire at home without clearing first but many will do just that at a gun show. [Rant2]

It is to bad, just feeds the liberals and drives up show costs.


Thats what I thought, I know in Vegas with ccw we still had to open carry with tie strap in show. Bad deal all around.

[palepainter]

I heard the pop from the back of the room. Really a sickening sound, especially when you find out later that some one got hit. JUST DAM STUPID!!! Exactly as expressed earlier, no need for it to happen and certainly is going to echo repercussions through out the gun community.

[HBARleatherneck]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/22898655/detail.html

it says the vendor shot the customer. So if you the vendor shoots you, do you get the gun for free? or do you just get to keep his house, car, wife, boat, kids etc.?

[denval420]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god

[KevDen2005]

Retarded people shouldn't handle guns because they get hurt and it allows or the anti gun people to have more "reason."

Every time something like this happens it just pisses me off even more because these idiots are going to help legislators make anti gun laws.

[KevDen2005]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god


Close call man, glad you weren't hurt. Why are the vendors allowing loaded guns to be handled by kids I wonder?

[SA Friday]

The shooter/vendor is F'ed if the news story is accurate.

[Batteriesnare]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god

Glad you are safe!

[Batteriesnare]

The shooter/vendor is F'ed if the news story is accurate.

Yes, as he should be.

Fucking moron.

[Brassie]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god

For cripe sake[Bang] Thank God you are still with us and safe

[palepainter]

It was the very first vendor in the very first row. The first table everyone would have passed.. sad....

[Ridge]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god

Which booth was it? If it was first row, and on the right, then isnt that usually one of those places selling swords and/or showing off but not selling either cowboy guns or nazi memorabilia?

[bczandm]

I was 20' away during the last Tanner Shooting....the guy popped off a Walther .380 into the floor. Not smart, that .380 ammo is in short supply ;) I joke only because no one got hurt.

I've been going to the shows less and less. I like the shows, but the .380 shot woke me up. Frankly it scared the crap out of me.

I was dressed and ready to go today, but got lazy due some sickness. Glad I did not go.

Prayers for the kid who was shot.
Bob

[DD977GM2]

denval420, I am glad you are ok and you did not get hurt or anyone else did for that matter.

[denval420]

if you whant to know more just not verey good a typing things,

[DD977GM2]

My sadistic mind just went all over the place with that comment [ROFL1]


if you whant to know more you can call me at 303-819-4123 just not verey good a typing things, if you dont whant to call its ok

[Ridge]

Phone exploding in 3...2...1...

[pr1ncess45]

STUPID FRIGGIN PEOPLE [Bang].Thank God I was in the restroom, and thank God we didn't bring the kids to this one as we usually do. I heard the shot fired and freaked because my husband denval420 was out there. Thank God my hubby is ok close as he was to it. He called into the bathroom and said lets go. I got out of the restroom saw the blood, saw the guy on the floor freaked out and we left. I hope the guy is ok.

[Ridge]

Wow, so it was one of those right by the entrance...

[pr1ncess45]

I've been going to the shows less and less. I like the shows, but the .380 shot woke me up. Frankly it scared the crap out of me.

Prayers for the kid who was shot.

Yep me too. I rarely go to the shows with my husband (denval420) and this is pretty traumatizing. We stopped at 5280 after the show on the way to pick up our daughter and I told him he could go in by himself. I stayed in the car.I told him this is my last show for a very long time.

[steincj]

Was thinking about going to the show in the Springs next weekend. Wonder what it will be like after this little incident. Not even sure I'll head in . . .

[pr1ncess45]

Great this is just going to thrill the hell out of the anti-gun idiots.[Rant2]This is why people shouldn't own guns, this is why they shouldn't have these shows, this is why guns should be illegal, blah blah blah[Rant1] JUST SHUT THE F^*%$ up and kiss my A@%

[pr1ncess45]

I had my kids with me. My son and my dad were 5 feet away from the guy... Not going to one for a long time... What if it hit one of my kids or my dad... Poor dude was bleeding all over....Way jacked up!!!!!!![Bang][Bang][Bang][Rant1][Rant1]

Hope yur dad and son are ok. So glad they were not hurt thank God.I know how that can be a very traumatizing experience, for any one.

[hurley842002]

Glad you are ok denval420. I walked in just after it happened, suprisingly everybody was quite calm, just as the News said. I heard people in the "smokers area" out front, comenting "who the hell brings a loaded gun, to the gun show?", but just figured somebody had been busted with a loaded gun or something. I was walking over to the table to have my (unloaded) pistol secured, when the Security Staff started clearing people out of the way, and telling staff to call 911 he's been shot. It was CRAZY how calm people were. Hope the guy is ok, and the vendor gets the hammer dropped on him.

[gnihcraes]

Wow, glad you are ok denval420. I was planning on taking my son tomorrow, possibly the wife and whole family. The wife actually seemed interested in going... now I have to tell them all to stay home to be safe... sucks.

I'll probably still go... hopefully returning without any more holes... :)

[sniper7]

i was right next to the two teens when his picked up the gun.then i heard a pop first i checked myself ,then both kids put there arms up and said we did not know it was loaded.then one kid said it burns he put his hands down and then blood poured out of his sleeve.will post more when i calm down, hell it could have been me thank god

holy crap yeah please tell us what hsppened. glad you are okay

[hurley842002]

I'll probably still go... hopefully returning without any more holes... :)

If they even have it tomorrow. It may get shut down for the remainder of the weekend.

[hobowh]

denval420, I am glad you are ok and you did not get hurt or anyone else did for that matter.
+1

[glenncal1]

Jeez I was there earlier in the day, it was nice the weatrher kept the early morning crowd down. There was more ammo available and it seemd like the vendors asking ridiculous prices for ammo weren't selling any. Has it been confirmed that a vendor left a display gun loaded?

Rule Number 1-1000

The Gun Is Always Loaded

[KFinn]

Thanks we are all ok... Just tripped out alittle thats it. My 9 year son keeps asken if that guy died...[Rant1]
I guess the only positive thing you can do is tell him no, and spin it to reaffirm the basics of gun safety.

[SA Friday]

You know, if I were still a fed and investigating something like this, I would be crusing the blog sites looking for witnesses I may have missed at the shooting scene.

If you were there, and saw what happened, you might be wise to refrain from talking about it very much. You should also definately sit down at the keyboard and type out everything you can remember while it's still fresh in your memory. Memory is perisable. If you do get sucked up into this, having a record of what you saw , heard, etc, as soon as possible will save you a lot of headaches down the road.

Just sayin...

[hobowh]

Thanks we are all ok... Just tripped out alittle thats it. My 9 year son keeps asken if that guy died...[Rant1]
Man that sucks, glad to hear you are all ok

[Troublco]

I was about 50 feet away, in the other side. What a sickening sound. I was really hoping it went into the ceiling, but as soon as I saw three people kneeling down I knew different. I'm glad no one else got hurt, but my prayers go out to the kid who caught it. I'm REALLY glad I didn't have my kids with me, as I often do.

Denval420 and RayDogg and everyone else that was there, I'm glad you weren't hurt. Seems like there were a lot of us there! I know I'd spoken to Hobo maybe 10-15 minutes before it happened, and a friend/former boss a couple minutes after that.

Unfortunately, it goes to show that you NEVER discount basic gun safety rules, like 1) treating all guns as though they're loaded and 2) never pointing one at something you're not willing to shoot. I came home and told my 9 year old daughter what had happened, and she couldn't believe that someone had been pointing a gun at someone else, AND pulled the trigger if they hadn't personally verified that it was unloaded.

[ronaldrwl]

We just got back from gun show. I was a few isles away when it happened. It was senseless. They were at the gun check as I was told. My opinion only, this kind of accident makes me resistant to the idea of CC with a chambered round. My boy was with me. As we were leaving he saw the blood stains. Rather large area I was told.

[Glock Shooter]

So Thankful You're All Ok!!!

[XJ]

My opinion only, this kind of accident makes me resistant to the idea of CC with a chambered round.



Nonsense :)

Take a good class and keep in practice, before putting on the holster in the morning recite the 4 rules.

[KFinn]

Nonsense :)

Take a good class and keep in practice, before putting on the holster in the morning recite the 4 rules.
+1!!!!!
[Beer]

[RCCrawler]

this kind of accident makes me resistant to the idea of CC with a chambered round.

The best way it's been described to me is, do you drive around in your car without your seatbelt and just hurry and put it on if you get in an accident? That's about how carrying without a round in the chamber is. The extra time it takes to chamber that round may be the difference between life and death.

[KFinn]

The best way it's been described to me is, do you drive around in your car without your seatbelt and just hurry and put it on if you get in an accident? That's about how carrying without a round in the chamber is. The extra time it takes to chamber that round may be the difference between life and death.
That's a good one.

I've heard something like the following.
Most shootings happen within 15 or 20 feet or something. It only takes ~ 1.5 seconds for someone to run that distance. Can you draw, rack the slide, take aim and shoot in less time? Don't forget the momentum the perp has even if you do get a shot or two off.

[gnihcraes]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

[sniper7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill


there it is!

just carry with one in the chamber...it is stupid not to. just be safe when handling the gun in and out of the holster

[coop68]

I herd about this at work today its really unfortunate this happened i wonder if this is going to effect future shows best of wishes for those involved.

[Zundfolge]

My opinion only, this kind of accident makes me resistant to the idea of CC with a chambered round.

There's a SIGNIFICANT difference between a concealed carry gun, loaded up and tucked safely in a holster and not fiddled around with and a gun for sale sitting on a table being picked up and fiddled around with every two minutes by people with varying degrees of understanding of firearms safety and the four rules.

Packing a gun without a round in the chamber is more likely to get you hurt than carrying a gun WITH a round in the chamber.

But as my passive/aggressive mother-in-law always says; "You just do what you think is right." ;)

[KFinn]

Ah yes! Thanks gnihcraes.

[llostwolf]

glad i left when i did. Minutes before we were milling around in front waiting on a CBI to come through. My brother was up front at the background check table finishing his paperwork so i decided to leave. he calls when I'm out on I25 and told me someone was just shot.

[Ridge]

So any idea if the show will be open sunday? Was going to try to get rid of some gear and books, and a friend was going to try to unload his Deagle...

[Great-Kazoo]

Wow, glad you are ok denval420. I was planning on taking my son tomorrow, possibly the wife and whole family. The wife actually seemed interested in going... now I have to tell them all to stay home to be safe... sucks.

I'll probably still go... hopefully returning without any more holes... :)

while i agree with everyone who feels this is a negative light cast on shows and gun owners in general.
the above quote is a kneejerk reply. Especially from a gun owner.
With that statements mentality, you should never let the family out of the house. A violent crime/shooting can Happen Anywhere, Anytime. Same regarding a car accident. keep her off the road, you never know when or where an accident will happen.

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

The one thing that bothered me, in the past, at the gun shows was the lack of muzzle control. Some times you see that some person is pointing the muzzle of a rifle right at you! Not a comfortable feeling at all!

[Rant2]

[gnihcraes]

while i agree with everyone who feels this is a negative light cast on shows and gun owners in general.
the above quote is a kneejerk reply. Especially from a gun owner.
With that statements mentality, you should never let the family out of the house. A violent crime/shooting can Happen Anywhere, Anytime. Same regarding a car accident. keep her off the road, you never know when or where an accident will happen.

I guess you are right, I can't control the feelings of other human beings, I'm still working on it with my family, but unfortunately they are still their own persons. I do let them out on occasion and sometimes they actually chew through the ropes and chains and then I'm forced to buy some new ones, really sucks. Some day they might actually catch a cold or the flu or something. But I'm trying. Very dangerous world out there.

Original statements by people seem like it was "teens or kids" that causes the shooting. For all I know I'll drag the family out there and they will say "no kids or teens" for sunday, what a pain in the axx that would be to drive out there with the family to find out we can't all go in.

Knee jerk reaction, somewhat yes, I'm sure there are others that won't be going out there today too. Just ask the fellows that were right there when it happened what they are feeling right now. There are many other gun owners on here making similar comments how they "never go for fear of this happening to them..." I don't see you bashing them?

I know many people that are soooo scared of guns they won't even think of going to the show let alone being in a house that might own a gun. Now it's reinforced again to them. No pressure from me, if the wife or kids don't want to go now, ok with me, I'll ask them before I go. They still like their guns and shooting them, in a more controlled environment.

Wish I could CCW to the show though, so I can protect my family from "everything".

I'll consider your comments and see about turning in all my guns to the first police officer I see this morning... as I'm a horrible gun owner in your eyes...

[palepainter]

The one thing that bothered me, in the past, at the gun shows was the lack of muzzle control. Some times you see that some person is pointing the muzzle of a rifle right at you! Not a comfortable feeling at all!

[Rant2]

That is a very good point. I was standing at a table yesterday where I found an item I wanted, guy comes up next to me, picks up a pistol and starts fondling it in my general direction. I backed up until he was done playing. He was an older guy, in his 50's or so. No consideration. This was after the shot was fired. Perhaps I was a bit sensitive, but I never feel good about that shit.

[GANDER]

Where has the common sense gone? It used to be you asked to handle a gun before you picked it up! Stuff like this is why I stopped going! I have seen many guns pointed at people!

[Aardvark]

The past few shows I've been to have been making 1/2 or hourly safety announcments. Basically telling the folks to point the muzzle in a safe direction. However...obvious that some don't listen or care until too late. Curious if these two were thug-a'bies or what? Anyone? Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control. ...Yes, I'm outspoken and not well liked!

[ChunkyMonkey]

One great lesson I was taught is to always be aware of the surrounding. I am glad everyone else is ok.

Do we have the show today? Anyone?

[pr1ncess45]

Curious if these two were thug-a'bies or what? Anyone?!
Nope not thugs, just a couple of white kids maybe late teens or very early 20's that look like they were probably from a suburban area.

[ChadAmberg]

while i agree with everyone who feels this is a negative light cast on shows and gun owners in general.
the above quote is a kneejerk reply. Especially from a gun owner.
With that statements mentality, you should never let the family out of the house. A violent crime/shooting can Happen Anywhere, Anytime. Same regarding a car accident. keep her off the road, you never know when or where an accident will happen.

I was just thinking the same thing. If I go by avoiding things that I've personally seen cause death, then I'd never get in a car or an airplane again. You may have heard the shot or even seen the guy on the ground bleeding, but I've stepped on dead bodies in a plane crash before, but I still fly. Statistically I'll bet the gun show is one of the safest places to be, all things considered.

[cysoto]

The one thing that bothered me, in the past, at the gun shows was the lack of muzzle control. Some times you see that some person is pointing the muzzle of a rifle right at you! Not a comfortable feeling at all!

[Rant2]
You make a GREAT point Preacher! +1,000,000

[Irving]

The past few shows I've been to have been making 1/2 or hourly safety announcments. Basically telling the folks to point the muzzle in a safe direction. However...obvious that some don't listen or care until too late. Curious if these two were thug-a'bies or what? Anyone? Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control. ...Yes, I'm outspoken and not well liked!

I think you see what you want to see.

[Great-Kazoo]

I'll consider your comments and see about turning in all my guns to the first police officer I see this morning... as I'm a horrible gun owner in your eyes...


i did not say you were a horrible gun owner. I said that kind of knee jerk reply you posted is what gave the anti-gun crowd the law that requires BG checks @ gunshows, among other things.
You can do what you want regarding keeping the family away from the show. That is not an end all to any form of accident or violence. Thats why it's called an accident. But since you feel i was personally attacking you, sorry, it was not a "personel" attack.

[Bongo Boy]

I think many people forget the basic rules when at a gun show or shop.I completely disagree on that one...they don't know the basic rules to begin with. It's actually not all that common, on a percentage basis, for folks to be able to actually recite the Four Rules of Gun Safety and to actually practice them.

I'm a huge advocate of taking every opportunity I can to make sure folks, who obviously have had no training, to know what those rules are. When a lecture isn't called for, I at least find some way to get the 'finger off the trigger until you're on target' and 'don't point the gun at anything...' ideas across. I'd strongly encourage everyone to take every possible opportunity to do likewise.

I was in Specialty Sports a month ago handling a Sig at the counter. Of course I'd removed the mag and shown clear. I was presenting the weapon, aiming at the wall behind the counter when in my peripheral vision caught an oncoming store worker walking toward me, behind the counter. I immediately lowered the gun so as not to sweep him, and my sudden motion came as a surprise to him--that I'd even done it. He said 'Thanks', like it didn't happen all that often. It doesn't.

There should be the equivalent of a cattle prod administered to the person who can't show clear, can't keep his/her finger off the trigger, and can't keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.

[gnihcraes]

...is what gave the anti-gun crowd the law that requires BG checks @ gunshows, among other things.

my knee jerk reaction is not what gives the anti gun crowd their cause for their fight, it's the stupid kid that shot the other one... that is the real issue.

I went to the show, didn't take anyone with me, they all had other things to do... otherwise I would have taken them if they wanted to go.

next time...

[funkfool]

I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.
+1

[SA Friday]

I completely disagree on that one...they don't know the basic rules to begin with. It's actually not all that common, on a percentage basis, for folks to be able to actually recite the Four Rules of Gun Safety and to actually practice them.

I'm a huge advocate of taking every opportunity I can to make sure folks, who obviously have had no training, to know what those rules are. When a lecture isn't called for, I at least find some way to get the 'finger off the trigger until you're on target' and 'don't point the gun at anything...' ideas across. I'd strongly encourage everyone to take every possible opportunity to do likewise.

I was in Specialty Sports a month ago handling a Sig at the counter. Of course I'd removed the mag and shown clear. I was presenting the weapon, aiming at the wall behind the counter when in my peripheral vision caught an oncoming store worker walking toward me, behind the counter. I immediately lowered the gun so as not to sweep him, and my sudden motion came as a surprise to him--that I'd even done it. He said 'Thanks', like it didn't happen all that often. It doesn't.

There should be the equivalent of a cattle prod administered to the person who can't show clear, can't keep his/her finger off the trigger, and can't keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. I've heard electric shock is about the fastest teaching aid there is.

OK, now this thread is getting somewhere. This is the root of almost all gun accidents. I have to disagree that most don't know the 4 basic rules. I would propose that they DO know the rules, but have elected to disregard one or more of them based on what they KNOW to be the truth of the situation. That's the crux of the problem; disregarding one or more of the safety rules because they just know the gun isn't loaded, or they just know the safety is on... Disregarding one rule, you will probably get away with nothing happening or a damn good innocuous reminder to pay attention to all 4 rules. Disregard two at the same time and someone or something get's shot.

Ultimately, everyone is going to AD or ND a firearm if they shoot enough. It's the dual nature of the 4 rules that negates serious damage. Engraining the 4 rules into your every day gun happens by simply accepting all 4 must be followed and forcing everyone around you with firearms to do the same. Your buddy giving you an ass chewing when you start getting loose with the 4 safety rules... and the shooter being receptive enough to listen to the ass chewing is the way these shootings stop. You have to put away your pride when handling firearms.

Almost every accidental shooting results from violating two rules; gun being pointed at someone, finger on the trigger or being pulled. You can even throw not treating the gun like it's loaded at all times in there, but that's not always the case. The first two are always involved.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control.

Do you see these folks through your hood standing next to the burning cross? Dumb people are dumb, I fail to see their skin colors nor dress code as their identity.

[Delfuego]

Do you see these folks through your hood standing next to the burning cross? Dumb people are dumb, I fail to see their skin colors nor dress code as their identity.

+ 1 for MB888

[sniper7]

I agree with MB888, when I substitute teach, you would be surprised at the kids who dress in dark gothic, or thug like (most of the time). they just want to be different...maybe have a mohawk, but I have found a lot more of them to be interested in guns and shooting then the kids dressed up in abercrombie or something along those lines.


As far as the shooting goes, has anyone heard what happened to the kid, is he okay? I think that is the first issue here...hopefully he will recover.
the rest of the points have pretty well been covered. biggest thing now is that the kid is okay and working to teach others the safety rules so this NEVER happens again.

[Aardvark]

"Do you see these folks through your hood standing next to the burning cross?" ...hood, burning cross...quickly the name calling comes out, the accusations fly. Nice one MB888. How un-original. How hypocritical. I say something about dirtbags with pants hanging off their arses, and about illegals who shouldn't be trying to buy guns in the first place and you all accuse me of being a racist? "I fail to see their skin colors nor dress code as their identity", yet you don't hesitate to see my question or statement as my identity.

"I think you see what you want to see". Well Stuart; what I want to see, and what I do see at shows are great people. However, I also open my eyes to reality and see dirtbags out to steal a gun and use it in a crime, and blind fools like yourselves who would rather make a buck selling to anyone and turn your nose up and pretend a turd isn't a turd.

I'm Hispanic. Born and raised in NM. Lived there until I joined the service. I'd visit when I could and I can tell you after 20yrs in the service, I've seen bad changes. I've seen that state go from ok, to the mess it is now. I've lived amongst good, hard working decent Mexicans and I've lived by some real pieces of illegal crap.

I agree with Sniper7 that KIDS just want to be different. However, KIDS weren't handling that pistol when it went off. I asked a question ("Curious if these two were thug-a'bies or what?") and made a statement ("Most often I see thug dressed dipsh#ts and illegal look-alikes with lack of muzzle control") and you Stuart and MB888, instead of saying you disagree, in a civil way, chose to insult and acuse me of being a cross burning racist? Stick your nose in the air with your pompous arrogance and pass your holier than thou judgement. I've been called far worse by far better men than you. As I said, I'm outspoken, and I won't make apologies for seeing it and sayin it.

You're looking in the mirror boys.

Too bad it happened. Glad that 'kid' is alright. You all...wait, let me phrase that in southern racist for you MB888 and Delfuego... ya'll take care now, hear.

[ChunkyMonkey]

That sarcasm was intended to point out exactly what your comment was all about.... I'd like to know how you judge illegal immigrant and legal immigrant look alikes? Then again I might have over estimated your brain power and wish I didnt even bother to respond.

[Irving]

"I think you see what you want to see". Well Stuart; what I want to see, and what I do see at shows are great people. However, I also open my eyes to reality and see dirtbags out to steal a gun and use it in a crime, and blind fools like yourselves who would rather make a buck selling to anyone and turn your nose up and pretend a turd isn't a turd.



Now who is making the unfounded accusations?

I stand by my statement. If you think only thugs are an issue, then you're only seeing what you want to see. I've been to one gun show, and didn't see any thugs. What percent of the consumers do they make up at gun shows? 1%? 5%? What I DID see a lot of, were a ton of people packed into a relatively small space, all finger fucking hand guns without checking them, not to mention no room to safely handle them, or even a safe place to point them. That's what caught my attention.

What's with the rest of your point about selling guns. Perhaps you should have separated that part of your rant from you response to me, as it is entirely unrelated and no one was talking about selling guns.

[Daniel_187]

I went to the Longmont fun Show last summer and was checking out Allen's table and Saw lots of smelly hippy kids(yes I was that Close). No Thugs but this was also at 0900. So not a lot of people that early

[SA Friday]

Still no word on the medical condition of the guy who got shot. Also no word on if Adam's County is going to charge the shooter with anything. I suspect it will depend a lot on the results of the investigation.

[ChunkyMonkey]

weird....

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/man-shot-dead-at-gun-show/story-e6frfku0-1225843419634

Title said dead... article says 'recovering'

I think we would have heard more news if the person was killed. Hope he is recovering.

[SA Friday]

weird....

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/man-shot-dead-at-gun-show/story-e6frfku0-1225843419634

Title said dead... article says 'recovering'

I think we would have heard more news if the person was killed. Hope he is recovering.
That article is horrible! It's misleading, inaccurate, and draws erroneous conclusions. It's hack reporting. I wouldn't trust a single word from it or it's publisher. It reads like a fricken tabloid.

Man, it pisses me off knowing some asshat got paid to write that garbage.

[rhineoshott]

Has anyone thought about the possibility of liberals going around and loading guns here and there? That would be really disgusting for people to do that, but I wouldn't put it past them. I heard rumors of that happening in the past. Of course, it takes more than just bullets in a gun to make it fire...

[Irving]

Has anyone thought about the possibility of liberals going around and loading guns here and there? That would be really disgusting for people to do that, but I wouldn't put it past them. I heard rumors of that happening in the past. Of course, it takes more than just bullets in a gun to make it fire...

I was just going to come in here and say "I think it was an inside job!"

And right on time, you enter the thread with a conspiracy. HAHA Couldn't have been more perfect timing (except you stole my thunder).

[funkfool]

I was just going to come in here and say "I think it was an inside job!"

And right on time, you enter the thread with a conspiracy. HAHA Couldn't have been more perfect timing (except you stole my thunder).
"Stole my thunder"...
OR...
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KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE THINKING!

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[Irving]

Hahahahahaahahahahaha.

Well played sir.

[SA Friday]

Assuming a gun is unloaded because you checked it 20 minutes ago is still assuming. Locking the slide back, finger in the chamber, finger in the mag well, no more assumption. Even if the tin-foil hat theory of those evil liberals with bullets was true it wouldn't happen IF the assumption didn't occur.

Basically, I just said it shouldn't matter so the theory is erroneous.

[denval420]

You know, if I were still a fed and investigating something like this, I would be crusing the blog sites looking for witnesses I may have missed at the shooting scene.

If you were there, and saw what happened, you might be wise to refrain from talking about it very much. You should also definately sit down at the keyboard and type out everything you can remember while it's still fresh in your memory. Memory is perisable. If you do get sucked up into this, having a record of what you saw , heard, etc, as soon as possible will save you a lot of headaches down the road.

Just sayin...took your advice called acs that night told them what i seen .they sent a officer to my house to take a statement from me,just to let you know i tried to stick around but the gaurds told us to leave.

[SA Friday]

took your advice called acs that night told them what i seen .they sent a officer to my house to take a statement from me,just to let you know i tried to stick around but the gaurds told us to leave.
I hope you didn't take my previous post wrong. I wouldn't lay judgement on anyone in that situation for staying or leaving on their own accord. Some cops might be that way, but I never was. I just saw too much stuff and reflected on it till I understood both sides to judge any more in situations like this.

I am pleased to hear you called the SO and made a statement.

[denval420]

I hope you didn't take my previous post wrong. I wouldn't lay judgement on anyone in that situation for staying or leaving on their own accord. Some cops might be that way, but I never was. I just saw too much stuff and reflected on it till I understood both sides to judge any more in situations like this.

I am pleased to hear you called the SO and made a statement.its all good

[newracer]

My son just took his hunters education class. I think the instructor did a great job explaining on how a weapon should be checked. You open the action to look into the chamber then use a finger to feel the chamber to make certain it is unloaded.

[ChunkyMonkey]

My son just took his hunters education class. I think the instructor did a great job explaining on how a weapon should be checked. You open the action to look into the chamber then use a finger to feel the chamber to make certain it is unloaded.

The finger part is one of the best thing I learn on gun safety. My eyes sometimes lie to me. "I couldve sworn there wasn't a round in the chamber"

[Irving]

I usually look down the mag well, then hold the gun up to see if I can see light coming out of the barrel. I can see how that method won't always work with all types of guns so I like the finger in the chamber method to check.

[TFOGGER]

I rarely go to gun shows anymore, mostly because the "deals" are pretty thin on the ground, but I was instructed in the protocols and etiquette a long time ago, in a land far away.

1. Get the attention of the seller and ASK before touching any weapon.

2. Point the muzzle in a safe direction (up is usually better than down, due to concrete floors).

3. Clear the weapon, even if there's a zip tie through the chamber or magazine well.

4.Keep your booger hook off the bang lever.

5. Do not dry fire the weapon(especially rimfires, which can damage the chamber lip or firing pin).

6. Maintain muzzle control and hand the weapon back to the vendor, do not place back on the table or in a rifle rack unless asked to do so by the seller.

[Irving]

I always ask before I do everything.

Is it okay if I take out the magazine?
Is it okay if I dry fire it?

No one ever gets upset for asking first.

[Limited GM]

4 or 5 of us were at a friends house one night when he pulls a pistol out of a rug. He clears it, hands it to me I clear it look it over and hand it back. He clears it and sits it down. One of the others is cracking up and says "How many times yall going to clear that thing?"

We answered.."Everytime it changes hands." Period.

[Ak47Ar15Glock26]

sad, in 2 ways.

[pr1ncess45]

We answered.."Everytime it changes hands." Period.

Exactly as it should be. I clear anything that is handed to me if by husband, store employees, friends, or family and I have a couple of law enforcement family members and still do it everytime.

(Oh and the husband thing you just never know.[ROFL1])

[Irving]

The first time I went shooting in my adult life my friend's father told me to clear the gun each time it was handed to me. It is a good practice and I should do it more. I always check my guns before I pick them up. Except for my carry gun, that one stays loaded all the time. Perhaps I should be checking it more often to make sure that it IS loaded.

[jerrymrc]

The first time I went shooting in my adult life my friend's father told me to clear the gun each time it was handed to me. It is a good practice and I should do it more. I always check my guns before I pick them up. Except for my carry gun, that one stays loaded all the time. Perhaps I should be checking it more often to make sure that it IS loaded.

Someone might have come along and taken all the ammo OUT of the gun to prove a point. ;)

[Bongo Boy]

...and I don't think people are 'stupid' for not knowing these things. They are just untrained. But, it's irritating to me that we have no expectations or requirements that with gun handling and ownership comes the obligation and responsibility to get trained.

[denval420]

ADAMS COUNTY, Colo. -- The person accidentally shot in the chest at a gun show Saturday afternoon has been identified as 22-year-old Grand Edmunds from Laramie, Wyo.

Edmunds was shot in the chest at the Tanner Gun Show which was held this weekend at the Denver Merchandise Mart, near Interstate 25 and 58th Avenue.

The Adams County sheriff's office also identified the shooting suspect as 24-year-old Joshua Hertzler from Thornton. The sheriff's office did not provide any more detailed information about the investigation.
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The vendor whose gun was used in the accidental shooting is 68-year-old James Peterschmidt from Aurora.

Edmunds was rushed to Denver Health for treatment. The Adams County sheriff's office did not update his condition as of Tuesday night. Witnesses told 7NEWS that the man was unconscious after being shot.

Witnesses said the man picked up a gun from a vendor’s table and it went off.

"He picked up a gun and it was loaded and he shot the guy next to him," said Mark Cameron.

"I started hearing, 'Oh my god, he got shot. He got shot in the chest,' " gun enthusiast Ken Gibson told 7NEWS.

"It was just a dumb accident," Cameron said.

Authorities said they are still investigating and trying to determine what actually happened.

The Adams County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Candi Baker said it is illegal to have a loaded gun at a gun show.

The Tanner Gun Show states on its Web site that all guns brought into the gun show must be unloaded, including concealed weapons. All guns must be shown at the door and tied with a safety on the trigger.

Witnesses we talked to blamed the dealer, who they said should never have had a loaded gun on display. Other’s said the customer simply should have known better.

"Any gun you pick up off a table, you automatically assume its loaded," Cameron said. "It’s not a toy. It’s a gun."

Last September, a vendor at a gun show in Loveland accidentally shot himself in the leg while showing a firearm.


Previous Story:
September 8, 2009: Vendor Shoots Himself At Loveland Gun Show (http://www.co-ar15.com/news/20793814/detail.html)

[funkfool]

Thanks for the update denval420. Second story link broken.[Cry][Dunno]

[funkfool]

Although, in looking around... this thread has some relevance and was a good read:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18547

[pr1ncess45]

LOVELAND, Colo. -- Loveland police have filed charges against a man who accidentally shot himself during a weekend gun show.

Michael Kole, 59, was a vendor at the Premier Expo gun show at the Embassy Suites Hotel, at 4705 Clydesdale Parkway, when police said a firearm he was showing discharged, striking him in the leg.

No one else was injured as a result of the accidental shooting. It was not clear what type of weapon Kole was shot with. http://tags.bluekai.com/site/1932
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Police said Kole was charged with reckless endangerment. His hometown was not available but he is from Colorado, police said.

The gun and sportsman show was sponsored by Premier Expo, which is based in Eaton, Colo. The company has a directive on its Web site that says, "There will be no ammunition (live, spent, blank, decorator, or anything that could be construed as ammunition) placed in any clip, magazine, cylinder, chamber, or barrel."

[cysoto]

Second story link broken.[Cry][Dunno]
http://co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15771&highlight=Vendor+Shoots+Himself+Loveland+Show

[troymez]

This is my admittedly non-professional opinion, but the problem as I see it is two-fold. First is the gun dealers not asking or demanding that people handle the weapons safely. I've seen it too many times when someone is looking at a gun, doesn't ask to pick it up, does not clear it, and covers someone with the muzzle, then covers the vendor with the muzzle in putting it back on the table. The vendor can be standing there looking at the person and not say anything to them about safety. If the vendors demanded safety at/around the table, then those who may not know the 4 rules would sure get a quick lesson. I understand that it gets busy and they can't watch every person, but I know they see it all the time and I have never seen one say anything.
Second is the fact that too many people who do know the 4 rules take them for granted. We often think of gun safety as a set of habits that we have ingrained in ourselves. The error in that thinking is the idea of a habit. A habit is something we do often; and often do without thinking about it. It helped me out a ton a few years ago when I read or heard about the idea of safe gun handling practices being a ritual. A ritual is something that we do and have to think about and perform exactly the same way every time. You have to consciously think about every step in the process. It keeps us from assuming that we did something we may not have. We focus on the gun handling, not the tv or phone or whatever. You get interrupted in the performance of the ritual, you start over. Each step must be completed before moving to the next, and all steps must be finished before the brain moves on. This is essentially what others have described here, but the phrasing of things as a ritual has really helped me keep safety in the forefront of my thinking. I take every opportunity I can to tell anyone I shoot with or talk guns with about this way of thinking about it. I hope the kid recovers well.

[pr1ncess45]

I totally agree with you troymez. I have only seen a handfull of dealers put "ask first" signs on their tables. As well as not telling anyone about safety. It really irks me that everyone takes for granted that you are at a gun show and firearms are not loaded. Whatever, just because there are signs posted "no loaded firearms"doesn't mean sh@$ obviously.Ritual is a good thing. It doesn't matter who you are or what you know or don't know NEVER ASSUME.

[RCCrawler]

I have taken my 11 year old daughter shooting with me several times. We had long talks about firearms safety and she knows the important rules.

We also have an understanding that anytime her muzzle is pointed where it shouldn't be she will get a smack on the back of the head. Same thing if I catch her finger on the trigger when she is not getting ready to make a shot.

In 4 times of going out shooting prairie dogs she has been smacked 1 time, that was the first time we went out, I caught her walking with her finger on the trigger.

Maybe we just need to implement my rules at the gunshow. Anytime you see someone sweep a muzzle, or put their finger on the trigger you just smack them on the back of the head.

[funkfool]

First is the gun dealers not asking or demanding that people handle the weapons safely. ......
The vendor can be standing there looking at the person and not say anything to them about safety. If the vendors demanded safety at/around the table, then those who may not know the 4 rules would sure get a quick lesson.
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Firearms dealers/vendors shoud have the 4 rules printed/stamped on the back of their business cards...

[rammit]

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14765829

A shooting at the Tanner Gun Show at the Denver Merchandise Mart last week was an accident and no charges will be filed, according to Adams County officials.
Investigators said that about 2 p.m. on Saturday, March 20, Joshua Hertzler was looking at a gun on a display table at the gun show and when he began handling the gun, it accidentally fired.
A bullet hit his friend of 20 years in the upper body. The friend is listed in good condition, said Adams County DA spokeswoman Krista Flannigan.
The investigation continues into other aspects of the case but the DA's office is offering no other details.


Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14765829#ixzz0jMaKIyOI

so they file harges against a man who shoots himself, but not against the vendor, or those who inflicted damage upon someone else?

[MrPrena]

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14765829

A shooting at the Tanner Gun Show at the Denver Merchandise Mart last week was an accident and no charges will be filed, according to Adams County officials.
Investigators said that about 2 p.m. on Saturday, March 20, Joshua Hertzler was looking at a gun on a display table at the gun show and when he began handling the gun, it accidentally fired.
A bullet hit his friend of 20 years in the upper body. The friend is listed in good condition, said Adams County DA spokeswoman Krista Flannigan.
The investigation continues into other aspects of the case but the DA's office is offering no other details.


Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14765829#ixzz0jMaKIyOI

so they file harges against a man who shoots himself, but not against the vendor, or those who inflicted damage upon someone else?


This case "might" be used as a defense for a guy who shot himself @ Loveland.

[WinterBoarder]

so they file harges against a man who shoots himself, but not against the vendor, or those who inflicted damage upon someone else?

No criminal charges, but I could see a nice civil suit brewing...