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theGinsue
03-23-2010, 01:15
So, I was outside because of my neighbor kids and their loud noises tonight doing the Neighborhood Watch thing. I only took my ASP [expandable baton] a Root Beer (in a bottle -unopened), and my 2-CR123 cell flashlight. I have a corner lot so I'll stand on the corner and keep an eye on things.
Apparently, one of the cars that went by (so they say) called the cops on me - claiming I was carrying (I guess in my hand) a gun. I had 3 patrol cars pull up, got searched, rad the riot act, chastized for carrying my ASP, threatened about carrying my gun (which I have on occasion, but NOT tonight!!), and had a NCIC check performed.
One of the responding cops is the one who showed up a week and a half ago when th evandals were out. She kept fairly quiet. The other two were hostile and threatened me repeatedly. I reminded them that I do have a right to Open Carry in CO - although I wasn't doing it tonight! I also informed them that I'm aware of what brandishing a weapon is.
They informed me that having my ASP, un-expanded, while standing in my own yard could be considered "threatening" and I could (will be if they are called again) be charged with FELONY MENACING.
The primary cop on the scene did his damnedest to provoke and escalate. Even though I clearly informed hi mthat I haven't carried a firearm for well over a week, he came out at the end and flat out called me a liar and claimed I must have run inside and put my gun up before they arrived (yeah, like I had any idea they were coming!).
Where the hell were they when my neighbors kids were gunning their truck engines(repeatedly, multiple times a day)? Where were they when these kids rolled up with their bass boxes pounding away at all hours of the day and night (repeatedly, multiple times a day)? Where were they when my next door neighbor had his truck (parked right in front of mine) vandalized 2 weeks ago? etc. etc.
Heaven forbid I should remain in my own yard and keep an eye on my home and vehicles. Heaven forbid I should consider excercising my rights to Open Carry a firearm in a two-point secured holster on my thigh - not touching it - IN MY OWN YARD?!.
I've had enough of this SH!T.
I'm going to have an OC party in my front yard VERY soon. EVERYONE IS INVITED!
ChunkyMonkey
03-23-2010, 01:27
wow... in Co Springs of all place?
You are challenging them. They are the top dog and you aren’t bowing down to them. Try acting afraid of them next time
You might consider going in and having a chat with the chief of police to see what he thinks. Maybe the guy you dealt with is a jerk that they know about and need info on.
Maybe set up a camera up so you have a record of what happens.
On the other hand you can always talk to the kids. They will understand if you would just reach out to them. Oh – and next time kneel in the presence of the cops. (He said jokingly) [ROFL2]
crzy_one
03-23-2010, 04:13
I miss AZ and being able to open carry and not ever being harrassed...
what a bunch of shit, the other cops should have shut the moron up...
jerrymrc
03-23-2010, 05:22
I am so glad I live in the County.
You should've punched him in the face and asked him where the f*** his hat was.
low drag
03-23-2010, 06:06
Simple.
Play the game. Call the cops (if you have the butt head officer's name request him) on the kids making noise. Of course ask them to stop first. Then you can say you think they have weapons when you call for the cops.
Keep a log of your calls and if they respond.
Bottom line, start having fun with it and jack with them. Get your neighbors in on it if you can.
Oh, video the conversations with the cops if you can.
I'm in for an OC BBQ in the front yard.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 06:58
I miss AZ and being able to open carry and not ever being harrassed...
what a bunch of shit, the other cops should have shut the moron up...
Only the female cop was decent in her demeanor towards me. The third cop kept walking around behind me and spouting out little one line comments about how I was provoking a confrontation by being outside in the first place.
Maybe set up a camera up so you have a record of what happens.
Oh, video the conversations with the cops if you can.
That is what I decided to do. This way, if I am arrested and charged with felony menacing, I can show the video of me just standing in my yard (and maybe, heavin forbid, walking around my yard too) without waving anything at anyone and NOT possessing a firearm and see how far that goes in court.
Now I just have to find a system that I can afford.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 06:58
I'm in for an OC BBQ in the front yard.
Chicken and elk okay?
Chicken and elk okay?
I can bring the bakes beans..
Chicken and elk okay?
I'm down for elk anytime!!
GhostRider
03-23-2010, 08:27
chicken and elk are perfect. I would be up for it. I am one of those who thinks that its your land and you can do anything on it you want to as long as its not hurting someone else or their land, But I dont know that root beer could have been quite threatening. Tell us all when.
Daniel_187
03-23-2010, 09:03
Roasted Pig is what am thinking, I would have told them to get the fuck off my land.
ronaldrwl
03-23-2010, 09:27
So, were the cops claiming you could not open carry in your neighborhood? Or, they said you had a gun in your hand and that was brandishing?
Have you had the cops out before, do they know you?
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 09:45
Roasted Pig is what am thinking, I would have told them to get the fuck off my land.
Keep in mind that I live "in town" and in a sub-division. My "land" is all of 6000 sq ft, and (actually), the police never left the street or public sidewalk. They had ME step into the street with them.
But, yeah, I agree with where you all are going with this.
You know, I understand that they've got a tough job and need to proceed with caution to a supposed firearms call. I also think that, once I showed them I wasn't carrying a firearm, wasn't intoxicated, wasn't aggressive, etc., that they could have changed their demeanor. They could have considered the possibility that I wasn't a threat to ANYONE nad perhaps the call was bogus!
Here's a question. If OC is legal in CO, but OCing a firearm secured in a holster is "felony menacing" if ANY decides that they feel threatened by it, how is it really legal?
They can tell me all they want that simply carrying an expandable baton (in it's CLOSED position) or a holstered firearm without any sort of brandishing is "menacing", "confrontational", "intimidating", "threatening" or "initiating aggression", but I will ensure I have the means to defend myself from potential assault. If the simple possession of a force equalizer is wrong, then we have fallen farther than I realized!
ronaldrwl
03-23-2010, 09:50
I agree. I wasn't going anywhere with the questions, except I was trying to evaluate what I'm getting myself into with CC. If somebody sees my gun, in my own freaking yard, can that be an issue?
newracer
03-23-2010, 09:52
You need to remember, yes they can charge you with just about anything, what the DA can convict you of is a totally different thing.
funkfool
03-23-2010, 09:53
As far as the OC party... I'm in.
RE: the video...
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/pho/1657172342.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/ele/1655448377.html
http://cosprings.craigslist.org/ele/1653760797.html
Or - I have a very nice Sony Everio - I recommend them:
BestBuy:Everio (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/JVC+-+Factory-Refurbished+Everio+Digital+Camcorder+with+2.7%22+L CD+Monitor+-+Diamond+Silver/9676638.p?id=1218144702023&skuId=9676638)
Or I could bring it to video "the party"?
[Muaha]
damn....time for an open carry BBQ!
Fentonite
03-23-2010, 10:09
Great ideas about video-taping future events. I'd be slow to let them know you're taping them; let them write down everything and finalize their reports, and then compare the video to the report. Perjury's a bitch.
We could have a nice big gun-cleaning party! A couple long tables, covered with weaponry in various states of disassembly (seems tough to be charged with menacing if all you have are pieces), some brisket and chicken with OC sauce available? Sounds great!
Their threats are idle in my opinion. They can threaten to charge you with whatever they want, but it doesn't mean it won't get thrown out in court. I'd like to go to an open carry party.
I'd like you to read this thread before you make plans for your party though.
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/threads/70826-what-to-do-about-a-bad-neighbor?highlight=search+warrant
funkfool
03-23-2010, 10:25
You need to remember, yes they can charge you with just about anything, what the DA can convict you of is a totally different thing.
He is right... ass*oles wear all kinds of uniforms. You only have to come across one.
Maybe he was just having a bad day... or maybe not.
Remember: If you are OC or CC you will be held to a higher standard - you must try twice as hard to de-escalate the situation in a civilian encounter.
I would definetly consider reporting this up the chain of command, as you were within your rights a a citizen (in my opinion) and having the local patrol officer hassle you is not what I would consider good community interaction.
Perhaps an informative telephone call to CSPD - stating something like - "Hey, I had some interaction with an officer that made me feel intimidated and just wanted to let you know - what is the proceedure to follow in this instance?"
http://www.springsgov.com/sectionindex.aspx?sectionid=12
Start a real Neighborhood Watch (http://www.springsgov.com/units/police/miscDocs/NeighborhoodWatchHandbook2008.pdf) (pdf)
Report Suspicious Activity (http://www.springsgov.com/Page.aspx?NavID=233)
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 10:40
So, were the cops claiming you could not open carry in your neighborhood? Or, they said you had a gun in your hand and that was brandishing?
Have you had the cops out before, do they know you?
The initial implication was that I had a gun IN HAND, but wasn't clearly stated. They did clearly tell me that OCing IN HOLSTER (even in my own yard!) could bring a menacing charge - if someone "felt threatened" by it.
Yes, I've had the cops out there before - as the caller. In fact, the female officer that was there last night was out on Mar 4 responding to MY call about vandals in the neighborhood (damaged my next-door neighbors truck and a neighbors car down the block - I watched it occur). They have NOT been called out because of me as the trouble-maker!
I try to keep a watch on things in the neighborhood - especially over my yard and my vehicles. I have called the police (non-emergency #) on a few occassions, but ONLY when there is an immediate situation that they need to respond to. If it's a potential situation, I won't call (they really get too many calls as it is). If it's a situation that has already occured, I'll call to make a statement.
I don't go and confront anyone. I don't threaten - directly or indirectly -anyone. I just watch.
ronaldrwl
03-23-2010, 10:43
Dang Stuart, I followed the whole story and now I want to know how it ends
He moved back to South Carolina for now. The end.
I hope it wasn't too disappointing. ;)
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 10:46
I agree. I wasn't going anywhere with the questions, except I was trying to evaluate what I'm getting myself into with CC. If somebody sees my gun, in my own freaking yard, can that be an issue?
You need to remember, yes they can charge you with just about anything, what the DA can convict you of is a totally different thing.
Apparently, they can convict too:
http://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/felony_cases/menacing.html
Pretty much, just existing and having someone claim that you intimidated / threatened them is enough for a misdemeanor or even felony menacing conviction in CO.
Just goes to show that the laws aren't there to handle the bad guys, they are there to control the good guys!
At that point don't you have the right to confront your accuser? Pretty hard to say someone is threatened if they don't even know who made the call.
funkfool
03-23-2010, 10:52
Apparently, they can convict too:
http://www.colorado-criminal-lawyer.com/felony_cases/menacing.html
Pretty much, just existing and having someone claim that you intimidated / threatened them is enough for a misdemeanor or even felony menacing conviction in CO.
Just goes to show that the laws aren't there to handle the bad guys, they are there to control the good guys!
"Believe it or not, it is not even necessary for the person to be aware of the threat! You can be found guilty of menacing a sleeping person. The District Attorney would have to prove that you knew that your actions, if discovered (if the person woke up), would place the person in fear."
[Rant1]
Oh my freaking GOD... you have to be kidding me...
ronaldrwl
03-23-2010, 10:53
All in all I have to say this has been a pretty crappy week
Zundfolge
03-23-2010, 11:00
Ugh ... don't get me started on CSPD.
If you have to deal with law enforcement in The Springs, pray to GOD its a Sheriff's deputy that shows up, not a CSPD clown (there are a few good guys on the force here, but for the most part I'm not impressed with the professionalism of the department in general ... not sure if I can find a copy of the story online about the "rampaging buffalo" but its indicative of the department).
EDIT
In searching I found a couple of forum threads that refered to the shooting and linked a story on The Denver channel (that is now dead).
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?44326-Police-Shoot-Buffalo-Escaping-From-Packing-Plant
120 rounds fired and ZERO of the buffalo were actually killed by CSPD (the guy from the packing company showed up with a lever gun in 30-30 and killed each of the buffalo with a single shot). Some of the homes and cars hit in the melee were at a 90deg angle to the officers so God only knows how they did that.
Delfuego
03-23-2010, 11:01
This is your new neighborhood watch captain. Let see the criminals and the police mess with a national icon (an armed one at that).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/kavanf1/armbears.jpg
Sometime I think that cops act like high school kids. They follow behind whoever is being the biggest dick of the day.
If all the officers are calm and being cool the rest usually follow suit. If one is being a a**hole, the others will often be that way, or just do nothing and let the officer who is being a jerk lead the way.
I have never seen a police officer call out another officer even when they know they are out of line. They will usually just clam up and roll their eyes at him/her.
Ginsue, are you reading that thread I linked you to?
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:07
"Believe it or not, it is not even necessary for the person to be aware of the threat! You can be found guilty of menacing a sleeping person. The District Attorney would have to prove that you knew that your actions, if discovered (if the person woke up), would place the person in fear."
[Rant1]
Oh my freaking GOD... you have to be kidding me...
Yeah, that part FLOORED me as well! Like I said, you can be convicted of menacing for just existing!
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:08
Ginsue, are you reading that thread I linked you to?
checking it out now.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:11
Hey, Kwando is a poster on that thread - he used to be here too.
Continuing reading...
Kwando is still on here.
Kwando, Brandon, Jer, Jackmode, and a few others are all members of that site.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:19
Jerkmode9316 is on there too.. Haven't seen him on here since last Nov.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:20
Kwando is still on here.
Kwando, Brandon, Jer, Jackmode, and a few others are all members of that site.
It might help if I caught up on the posts before I posted; eh?!
I miss seeing those guys post here!
GreenScoutII
03-23-2010, 11:22
Sorry that happened to you Ginsue. Sounds like a bogus deal to me.
In my opinion, the cops tend to feel threatened by anyone who makes a stand for the safety of his own neighborhood. They automatically think "vigilante".
A friend of mine was in a very similar situation about a year ago. He actually was charged with felony menacing. His actions went a bit further than yours, but still.....
I'm not generally anti cop, I really do have a lot of respect for them, but sometimes I have to wonder about the lack of common sense they sometimes show in these situations.
Daniel_187
03-23-2010, 11:33
Party at The Ginsue's place open carry, Rilfes, the works we can call it Black Rifle BBQ. and crank up the music and piss of the nebighbors
Batteriesnare
03-23-2010, 11:41
I'm in, let me know when and where.
Batteriesnare
03-23-2010, 11:42
I have plenty of firearms that are in need of cleaning as well.
crazy stuff,
i read the link you had Stuart very interesting.
i think the OC or BBQ idea is great, also adds as a site gathering party.
theGinsue
03-23-2010, 11:46
I've gotta get the whole thing worked through the wife (she slept through the whole thing last night and was still asleep when I left for work this AM).
I think around mid-April...sound good?
Plus there is a link someone sent me today thatI need to check out BEFORE I set stuff in stone to completely - it's blocked here at work so I'll have to check it out @ home tonight. It was a "check this out BEFORE the OC party" kind of thing. Last thing I want is to actuallyget myself in trouble intentionally.
So they didn't cuff you or anything last night?
Daniel_187
03-23-2010, 11:58
Or shoot your dog
Some cops, NOT ALL, feel like if they get a gun and a badge they are GOD!
I remember being at a house party when a fight broke out and the cops were called. One of the officers lined some of us up, including me, and as he questioned us, he would point the muzzle of his firearm with his laser on at the persons chest. I interrupted him and asked if that was necessary, and he quickly turned to me with the firearm poined at my chest and told me to shut the f*ck up. I never did anything afterwards and wish I would have. Cops like this can just kiss my A$$!!
Sorry for detouring off the main topic but it made me remember this story.
That's crazy.
Gloria went to a party when she first moved to this state as a young adult where someone was murdered at the party and that never happened to her.
I'm down for an OC BBQ :D
Zundfolge
03-23-2010, 13:29
Some cops, NOT ALL, feel like if they get a gun and a badge they are GOD!
That may be, but the bigger problem here is the culture at CSPD. Its one of paternalism and incompetence ... a lovely mix.
El Paso County Sheriff's Department just has a more professional culture and better leadership so officers with a God complex get put in their place (and often molded into good peace officers).
TEAMRICO
03-23-2010, 13:31
Ooooh, Im definitely in for this!!!
What's on the menu...how about PORK.
Seriously, I would be there(OC of course), with a video camera to document events.
Ooooh, Im definitely in for this!!!
What's on the menu...how about PORK.
Seriously, I would be there(OC of course), with a video camera to document events.Sounds like a great idea, except it has to be pork and doughnuts!
I see this thread building into some sort of epic "What could possibly go wrong?" thing.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7697/negstick.gif
ronaldrwl
03-23-2010, 14:25
What is happening here?
Maybe its just me but a BBQ sounds ok.... I think I'd much rather have an OC Deep fat frying Donut gathering. We could still have a BBQ Pig too.
Then when the cops walk up, ask them if they are here because they smelled the donuts or the pork?
I have a deep fryer, but it is a little 9 cup electric one.
Maybe its just me but a BBQ sounds ok.... I think I'd much rather have an OC Deep fat frying Donut gathering. We could still have a BBQ Pig too.
Then when the cops walk up, ask them if they are here because they smelled the donuts or the pork?
Then you could also ask them this, using the jingle or tune for the Klondike bar.....
What would you do for a donut hole?
Batteriesnare
03-23-2010, 14:41
Mid April sounds great, I'll be there!
mikedubs
03-23-2010, 15:54
Irving, where in the hell did you find that video and what is going on? Bomb squad hazing?
I have no idea, but I posted it so people don't get too carried away with this.
CSPD... nuff said.
I'm in for the BBQ. I'll bring some 12 packs of soda and maybe some cookies.
I have no idea, but I posted it so people don't get too carried away with this.
I am not making the connection on this one. usually I don't have any trouble following your lost, troubled mind.
Can you spell it out for me?
How is that supposed to keep us from getting too carried away?
Also - Aren't you barking up the wrong tree when you hope this group won't get carried away with something? [ROFL1]
I can spend just as long as anyone ragging on the police, but getting a bunch of guys together to open carry with the idea that the police are going to show up sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
funkfool
03-23-2010, 16:18
I can spend just as long as anyone ragging on the police, but getting a bunch of guys together to open carry with the idea that the police are going to show up sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Yes. It does.
I can spend just as long as anyone ragging on the police, but getting a bunch of guys together to open carry with the idea that the police are going to show up sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Yeah,, Kind of have to agree with Irving on this one...
In the words of a wise poet; Send Lawyers,guns and money, the sh!t has hit the fan.
funkfool
03-23-2010, 16:38
Yes. It does.
That said:
I wouldn't necessarily suggest it is "with the idea that the police are going to show up" though.
I would hope they did not, and I wouldn't suggest it be the object of any organized OC gathering.
I think some things are said on this board that don't convey well in text.
SO my 0.02¢ -
It sounds as if there is a neighborhood thing going on and I will volunteer to attend and show support to our fellow boardmember.
Not to openly confront CSPD or anyone else on the moral, legal or ethicial questions of OC.
I would attend a friendly BBQ and open carry - until I decided to have a few beers -then I'd have to trunk the firearm and try to enjoy myself and others company.
I do not OC (or carry anything for that matter) for confrontation or coercion or to intimidate.
I do not believe we are an "ends justify the means" bunch here.
I don't want anyone to take what I said wrong, as this is not usually a group to get out of hand, just sometimes people get swept up in a group mentality and things end up going where they never intended to go. That's all.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 16:44
Let me know what's going on with the BBQ I could use a day of FUN!
who ever said that the purpose of the gathering was to get the cops to show up?
CSPD needs to learn not to treat good people like criminals.
they've done it to me before, which is why I'm going to attend the BBQ.
hell, I'll get a sling and bring my rifle.
fuck em if they can't take a joke
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 16:51
getting a bunch of guys together to open carry.
EXCUSE ME, hello Princess here, I am female not a guy at all.
Maybe they belong to the He Man Women Haters Club...
EXCUSE ME, hello Princess here, I am female not a guy at all.
[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
Irving gets pwned...
And you posted after I said that so go make me a sandwich. ;)
And you posted after I said that so go make me a sandwich. ;)
http://www.greaserlee.com/smilies/out.gif
LOL, I hope she is fluent in "smiley."
LOL, I hope she is fluent in "smiley."
She may just be fluent in whoopin yo ass [ROFL1]
I'll call CSPD so fast...
I actually lol'd
I'll fire the camera up.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:06
A lead sandwich right between your a$$ cheeks
A lead sandwich right between your a$$ cheeks
Oh, so one of those specialty shotgun shells with two slugs and some shot in the middle? I'll pass.
Oooh, is that sexual harrasement? LOL
funkfool
03-23-2010, 17:12
And you posted after I said that so go make me a sandwich. ;)
I ROLF'ed myself!
[ROFL1]
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:12
I'll call CSPD so fast...
Man what part of female do you not get, being female does have its advantages. I can also cry on the drop of a dime and you will go bye bye.
SA Friday
03-23-2010, 17:15
Man what part of female do you not get, being female does have its advantages. I can also cry on the drop of a dime and you will go bye bye.
A good cop knows when a lady cries it's only real if there are snot bubbles. Everything else is Hollywood.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:16
I know my rights... SO DO I
funkfool
03-23-2010, 17:16
(I am just kidding here, but... someone has to use it...)
Man what part of female do you not get, .
I don't think Stuart gets ANY part of a female!!!!
[ROFL2][LOL][ROFL1][ROFL3]
Hope you're fluent in smiley too!
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:18
I know my rights... I also know my rights
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:19
A good cop knows when a lady cries it's only real if there are snot bubbles. Everything else is Hollywood.
Snot bubbles are a piece of cake I learned that in preschool.
Leave it to a woman to derail a conversation. Sheesh.
Double poster.
Snot bubbles are a piece of cake
No its snot.
This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts. Please try again in 9 seconds.
I also know my rights
He's just got a twisted way of e-thuggin the ladies to show he cares.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:23
Leave it to a woman to derail a conversation. Sheesh.
Double poster.
Leave it to an a%$ (Irving), to piss a woman off. BTW this falls under the I'm PISSED thread. So technically no derailment here.
haha, good call.
More haha if you're actually pissed.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:28
Yes VERY PISSED and VERY OFFENDED.[ROFL1][ROFL2] I really do Hope you learned something from this.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:33
Just wanted to remind you that FEMALES are part of this family too.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:38
Anyway, sorry Ginsue, Had to stand my ground for a minute there. Can't let anyone walk all over me. I am totally with you on this. Damn neighbors. I know I live in apartment dwelling. What the CSPD did to you was WRONG.
Appreciate the smilies. Females are a part of everything on the planet. Just because you aren't mentioned specifically, don't assume that anyone forgot about you.
pr1ncess45
03-23-2010, 17:45
Appreciate the smilies. Females are a part of everything on the planet. Just because you aren't mentioned specifically, don't assume that anyone forgot about you.
Right on & Thanks I can appreciate that.[Score]
GreenScoutII
03-23-2010, 19:41
A good cop knows when a lady cries it's only real if there are snot bubbles. Everything else is Hollywood.
Yep, true dat...
So does a man with a wife and four daughters. I know when I'm being emotionally manipulated..[Help]
ryanek9freak
03-23-2010, 19:45
I'm in for an OC BBQ in the front yard.
Count me in. I'll be god damned if someone is gonna hassle my ass. I know the law. I'll video tape everything.
On a more serious note, if this BBQ does happen. I'll be sure to bump all the cooking threads and demand that people prove how awesome their recipes are by bringing the dish they bragged so much about. Glad I never posted anything. :p
ryanek9freak
03-23-2010, 19:59
Sorry you had this problem Thomas. I've ran into a few CSPD before while Oc'ing and they didnt' give me any shit at all.
Probably used AssWipe first.
theGinsue
03-24-2010, 00:01
So they didn't cuff you or anything last night?
Or shoot your dog
No Stuart, no cuffs and no Daniel, no dogs were shot.
theGinsue
03-24-2010, 00:03
Sorry you had this problem Thomas. I've ran into a few CSPD before while Oc'ing and they didnt' give me any shit at all.
I'm really afraid of what might have happened if I had actually been OC'ing!
buffalobo
03-24-2010, 00:04
Ginsue, sorry to hear of your troubles with CSPD. Sounds as if they are long on LEO and short on Peace Officers. Such behavior should not be tolerated. A short meeting with a commander to make known your concerns about the nieghborhood and how the representatives of the PD handle themselves might not be a bad idea. Done very tactfully as a good citizen of coarse. These days the LEO's seem to only be interested in making sure you understand thier position above you, the citizen. More Peace Officers are needed.
The BBQ idea is a good one. Also invite nieghbors who have issues with slimeballs who have created the strife in your nieghboehood.
Encourage nieghbors to open carry in the nieghborhood and soon it will be known that you folks are responsible law abiding citizens who are not to be trifled with.
Had my say now back to lurking.
I am going to post here so I know where I need to read back to...man I leave for a few hours and things go crazy around here.
theGinsue
03-24-2010, 00:29
Ooooh, Im definitely in for this!!!
What's on the menu...how about PORK
Ouch!
Irving, you and Princess need to learn to get along or I'll pull this thread over - I promise! [ROFL1]
I've really been dwelling on this all day. Picking everything apart as bestI can. I honestly believe that if the female officer (she is a trainer for CSPD) had not been there, I would have been dropped to the ground and cuffed.
The behavior of the two male officers was out of line. They were doing everything they could to provoke me into doing something that they could construe as illegal.
When I played cop for the Air Force, I was taught to de-escalate and, while being firm, not provoke aggression. These are a couple of things these cops need to learn. The one thing I kept getting from the two male officers is that they were trying to intimidate me and make me feel afraid of them.
I've always been willing to cooperate with the authorities. That ended last night. For now on it will be "I don't wish to make a statement without representation. Am I free to go?"
theGinsue
03-24-2010, 00:34
Ginsue, sorry to hear of your troubles with CSPD. Sounds as if they are long on LEO and short on Peace Officers. Such behavior should not be tolerated. A short meeting with a commander to make known your concerns about the nieghborhood and how the representatives of the PD handle themselves might not be a bad idea. Done very tactfully as a good citizen of coarse. These days the LEO's seem to only be interested in making sure you understand thier position above you, the citizen. More Peace Officers are needed.
The BBQ idea is a good one. Also invite nieghbors who have issues with slimeballs who have created the strife in your nieghboehood.
Encourage nieghbors to open carry in the nieghborhood and soon it will be known that you folks are responsible law abiding citizens who are not to be trifled with.
Had my say now back to lurking.
Thanks for the input - it is well received and appreciated. I intend to try to get an audience with a commander and, if need be, write to or speak in person with the Chief (I doubt I'll be allowed to do that).
ronaldrwl
03-24-2010, 10:03
Around here we let our neighbors know when we're having a louder or larger party than usual. If you really want to have a big BBQ do it right. Invite your friendly neighbors, friends and us gun buddies. We'll show up if nothing else to show solidarity. The only problem with guns is we can't drink. So I suggest we leave the guns home.
Troublco
03-24-2010, 11:22
Around here we let our neighbors know when we're having a louder or larger party than usual. If you really want to have a big BBQ do it right. Invite your friendly neighbors, friends and us gun buddies. We'll show up if nothing else to show solidarity. The only problem with guns is we can't drink. So I suggest we leave the guns home.
That's true! No beer if the guns are there. And a BBQ isn't really a BBQ if you don't have beer!!!
Dang, how'd I miss the tussle between Princess and Irving? She really let him have it! [ROFL1]
Troublco
03-24-2010, 11:23
Just wanted to remind you that FEMALES are part of this family too.
I think you're the only one right now, though.
On a more serious note, if this BBQ does happen. I'll be sure to bump all the cooking threads and demand that people prove how awesome their recipes are by bringing the dish they bragged so much about. Glad I never posted anything. :p
Glad I haven't posted and that my awesome cooking skills start and end with cold cereal and milk!... or PBJ.
That's true! No beer if the guns are there. And a BBQ isn't really a BBQ if you don't have beer!!!
Dang, how'd I miss the tussle between Princess and Irving? She really let him have it! [ROFL1]
[ROFL1]
I am just reading this entire thread and enjoyed it thoroughly![ROFL2]
He moved back to South Carolina for now. The end.
I hope it wasn't too disappointing. ;)
[Bang]
Party at The Ginsue's place open carry, Rilfes, the works we can call it Black Rifle BBQ. and crank up the music and piss of the nebighbors
sounds like a good time to me!
I see this thread building into some sort of epic "What could possibly go wrong?" thing.
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[ROFL1]
I can spend just as long as anyone ragging on the police, but getting a bunch of guys together to open carry with the idea that the police are going to show up sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
Not exactly the situation we all want to have happen, better to have a party and get some guns cleaned and nothing happen.
A lead sandwich right between your a$$ cheeks
[ROFL1]
Appreciate the smilies. Females are a part of everything on the planet. Just because you aren't mentioned specifically, don't assume that anyone forgot about you.
do you back down that easily to your wife too Stuart?[Tooth]
Troublco
03-24-2010, 11:43
Sounds like a great idea, except it has to be pork and doughnuts!
There's a place in Portland, Oregon that makes bacon doughnuts. I wonder if I could get them to overnight a box?
Or I could just put some on Krispy Kremes.....
She may just be fluent in whoopin yo ass [ROFL1]
DONE! [Muaha]
do you back down that easily to your wife too Stuart?[Tooth]
There comes a point you can't go further back........[Tooth] (kidding, Stuart!)
Backing down would have been apologizing.
pr1ncess45
03-24-2010, 13:12
Don't worry everyone. I don't drink therefore I will be the designated OC. Have some beer have fun and if it all go's south then I will tell the police that I am only here to keep all of you under control. I think that might work. Don't for get I am the Alpha B---h. Being a Princess helps too.
I've had chocolate covered bacon before.
ronaldrwl
03-24-2010, 13:15
Don't worry everyone. I don't drink therefore I will be the designated OC. Have some beer have fun and if it all go's south then I will tell the police that I am only here to keep all of you under control. I think that might work. Don't for get I am the Alpha B---h. Being a Princess helps too.
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pr1ncess45
03-24-2010, 13:16
I've had chocolate covered bacon before.
I've heard about that. Was it good. Kinda wierd.
Gloria made me close my eyes and shoved it in my mouth. I knew it was something covered in chocolate. At first I thought it was a chocolate covered cricket or something because it was so crunchy. One of the guys at her work had a bacon party where everyone had to bring something made with bacon, so someone brought chocolate covered bacon. Once you know what it is, it tastes exactly like bacon with chocolate on it.
pr1ncess45
03-24-2010, 13:21
http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/merchandiser/30065.jpg
Awww thanks that is much appreciated.I just love it!![HiFive]
funkfool
03-24-2010, 13:23
Once you know what it is, it tastes exactly like bacon with chocolate on it.
Weird.
[Tooth]
http://art43.lbccart.org/tutorial_Lisa/website/when-bacon-met-tofu-2-animation-frames.gif
I've had chocolate covered bacon before.
that actually sounds pretty good
Weird.
[Tooth]
http://art43.lbccart.org/tutorial_Lisa/website/when-bacon-met-tofu-2-animation-frames.gif
[ROFL1]
funkfool
03-24-2010, 13:25
Weirder:
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ronaldrwl
03-24-2010, 13:27
damit, move faster
Weirder:
http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/bacon.gif
it is too SLOW[Bang]
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