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battle_sight_zero
03-28-2010, 21:30
Anybody seen this letter that is circulating? I dont know if it is bull, but it got me kind of thinking with the raids in Michigan and else where. Thought I would share.



Letter From Marine

It's been said that the military is always preparing for war. That is true. We prepare for combat every day. We ran 5 miles today to the rifle range and shot nearly 200 rounds a piece at targets and then ran back. However, we also pray for peace. I would love one day to be completely unnecessary. But alas, I am a realist, and I know that day will never come.

The headlines of the last week have reminded me more of glimpsing at the S2 Daily Briefing Sheets while in theater or the Al-Jazeera than the NY Times or the Washington Post. Think about that for a moment, let it sink in.

Before I get into the main premise of this article - I need to make two statements here. First and foremost , when it comes to the back and forth of who did what to whom and why - I don't give a @!$%#. It doesn't change the action. In life we're judged by our actions, nothing more, nothing less. One of the greatest things of the military is when it comes to an enemy, the politics behind the situation - don't matter in accomplishing that mission. For the military , life is simple in that regard.
Secondly, Regardless of your political ideology, you've earned the right as US Citizens to say your piece - no matter how wrong it may be. That is your right, and I will give my life to protect it.

But this government of ours is a democracy. We vote for our representatives, and they vote in our interests. Sometimes, the votes don't go our way. That's life, better luck next time. Exhaust your legislative options, and then focus on gaining the required votes and/or seats to achieve your desired legislative vote next election time. That's the way things work.

But the SECOND you start committing acts of violence and vandalism, then you've usurped that Constitution. You in a way have assaulted it. And then you and I (I being every servicemember who has sworn to defend said Constitution) will have a MAJOR PROBLEM.

For those of you calling for a civil war, I implore you to stop and think about what you're saying. Look around your neighborhood and your city. Now imagine using that terrain to survive. Imagine dodging semi-automatic rifle fire as you scramble from cover to cover, dragging your wounded child behind you. Imagine the deafening report of a mortar as it strikes the ground a 150 feet in front of you, the overpressure enough to shatter your teeth and perforate an ear drum. Try and envision a Stryker rolling through neighbor's front lawn or a F/A-18 making lazy loops over your head in Close Air Support for the troops in the distance.

Now with that vision in mind, stop by your local Marine Corps base, being they will be the first military units you'd face in an all out 'civil war' . Look at them for a moment, examine their 'work environment' . They're running the track, they're climbing ropes, they're grappelling with each other in mock hand-to-hand combat, and shooting targets while moving in raid lines on a daily basis. Nearly everyone on that base, down to our 'secretaries' has a combat award of one type or another, they've faced some of the most stressful situations on Earth where succumbing to the stress can get you killed, and they flourished.

Now ask yourselves and be honest - when is the last time you've run anything other than late to work, climbed anything other than a flight of stairs, grappelled with anything other than a paper jam, and shot off anything other than your mouth? When's the last time you were in any situation more stressful than a traffic jam?

Now I'm not blaming you for your career choice, not in the least. I can't think of a single job that's not useful in some way or another. I just want you to simply compare and contrast your work environment with ours and ask yourselves "Who is better suited to win this battle ?" We both know the answer here, and if you doubt that answer, look at the results from Fallujah in 2004. Over 1200 of them 'lost' and we 'lost only 28. That's a 'win-ratio' of almost 60-1, and they've been fighting their whole lives.
Put this in another scenario. You and your officemates think your local pro football team sucks , so you put together your own team of the best your company has and challenge them to a game. Even if your team might be good, they're professionals. This is their job. Your job is to answer phones and type on a keyboard. In short, they've forgotten more than you will ever know about football. The result, will be a slaughter for you, and a practice for them. But at least you'll get a chance to sit at home, ice your wounds and say 'whew I never should've done that!'

Not so with combat. The results of combat are far...FAR..more permanent. There are no second chances, no time for regrets, and no do-overs. This is not Call of Duty.

Now I 'd like to disperse a myth here - many of you think that US military would not fight civilians. I can't speak for all, but in my case - the moment you declare civil war, you're no longer civilians. The moment you attack the constitution, you're now enemies of that constitution. And I swore to defend and support and if necessary give my life for that Constitution and utilize every tool, technique, and weapon at my disposal to do so. And trust me, I'm not alone.

I hope some of you heed my words and cool the rhetoric and focus on achieving your goals diplomatically instead of physically. It would never want to receive a frag order to Maryland, or North Dakota, or Texas, but it is an order I will follow no matter how much it pains me to do so.

theGinsue
03-28-2010, 21:44
Personally, I think his perception of a citizens responsibility to the Constitution is a bit off base.

I think he started off okay, but when he got to the "in a you versus us situation, you'll lose" talk, he lost me completely.

He threw out some stats of Fallujah 2004 - how the Iraqi's lost 1200 and the Marines lost 28. That is the wrong tactic to dissuade Americans, in essence, he threw down a challenge.

Not a good letter. Not at all.

thvigil11
03-28-2010, 21:51
Our marine friend should stop and focus on what our current administration is doing the constitution.

trlcavscout
03-28-2010, 21:54
Yes I believe he went about that the wrong way also. I dont want to see a civil war either. But if he is comparing us to the dumb ass iraqis that is pretty damn insulting. It sounds to me that he is a typical marine trying to start a pissing contest. And I didnt see any marines on the ground when "I" got to Iraq. Maybe they were to busy running to the defac and missed the bus?

theGinsue
03-28-2010, 21:57
Apparently, this Marine feels that it is all okay for the government to ignore the Constitution but not the People.

It sounds like his Obama era Corps brain-washing was quite successful.

battle_sight_zero
03-28-2010, 21:58
Totally agree, when I got an email with this I thought it was going to be a patriotic email. The letter was posted on news vine, the author may have been a SGT Christopher Calbat USMC who pulled it after being slammed by readers. Very disturbing!

SNAFU
03-28-2010, 22:03
Sounds like he's throwing down the gauntlet. Because he's scared.
Scared that he knows our government is NOT doing well.
I think it is a plea,if it's real,which I doubt.

please capitalize the M in Marine,,I spent 7yrs in the Corps ,all active duty.

Not_A_Llama
03-28-2010, 22:03
Some people are not paid for their thoughts.

thvigil11
03-28-2010, 22:06
No offense to you or The Corps, Snafu. I was just attempting to belittle one man who seems to have his priorities a little mixed up.

SNAFU
03-28-2010, 22:15
Thanks,,no offense taken.

There were a lot of fkng idiots in the Corps.
The USMC is not exempt from having idiots amongst their ranks.
Their just better trained idiots.
He's probably some pouge want to be,,with a big brown nose.

Elhuero
03-28-2010, 23:29
My BSometer is twitching. I'd like to have a little clarification on who exactly wrote that and when.

They do make a very good point. Most average citizens aren't going to be in as good of shape as a Marine.

That said, I have seen some real tubby folks in uniforms.

The author sounds like a REMF with too much time on his hands, or more likely a libtard trying to stir up trouble.


EDIT: I capitalized M in Marine per SNAFU's request. Got into the habit of not capitalizing it to annoy jackasses on another site.

Graves
03-29-2010, 06:13
This guy can hug a nut. Tom beat me to it, " You Versus Us" c'mon man you are US mother****er.

Bailey Guns
03-29-2010, 06:26
Assuming this letter is real, which I doubt, the author needs to brush up on his civics and history facts.

1) We are not a democracy, dumbass.

2) Seems to me about 240 years ago lots of folks were talking about how farmers and shopkeepers (office workers of the day) didn't stand a chance against the world's strongest, best trained and well equipped army and navy. Ask any royal subject you know how that turned out for 'em.

Matter of fact, the Brits were slow learners back then. They tried again in 1812 with the same results.

I also have news for this guy. Lots of those "lazy civilians" he dismisses have some pretty substantial military or equivalent experience. And they have lots of other life skills needed to survive confrontation.

Wow...he shot a whole 200 rounds at the range!!! What a stud.

I have to say his viewpoint (again, assuming this is real) is not the one I frequently hear from active and reserve military contacts.

Would armed revolution be a walk in the park??? Of course not. But I don't think it would be anything like he's envisioning, either. Grow up, little boy.

HandKBRad
03-29-2010, 07:23
Thanks,,no offense taken.

There were a lot of fkng idiots in the Corps.
The USMC is not exempt from having idiots amongst their ranks.
Their just better trained idiots.
He's probably some pouge want to be,,with a big brown nose.

+1

Birddog1911
03-29-2010, 07:26
Sad to see this came from a Marine, at least in theory.

Bailey beat me to my first point; we are a Republic, not a democracy. The Founding Fathers new that democracies are destined to failure.

It was spot on who ever pointed out that this shithead thinks that civilians must follow the constitution, but not apparently our politicians.

palepainter
03-29-2010, 08:56
Really disappointing that he has already laid out the scenario in his head to attack his own country. No one wants violence or civil unrest, at least not me, but to think it isn't possible, is to be unprepared. And while he would be over there fighting, guys like us would be protecting his family from attacks by those who would take advantage of the chaos caused by the meltdown of our monetary systems and such. I believe any action would be defensive.

Regardless of his lack of thoughtfulness, I thank him for his service to our country.

TFOGGER
03-29-2010, 09:09
Sad to see this came from a Marine, at least in theory.

Bailey beat me to my first point; we are a Republic, not a democracy. The Founding Fathers new that democracies are destined to failure.

It was spot on who ever pointed out that this shithead thinks that civilians must follow the constitution, but not apparently our politicians.

Hence our current rate of decay. Somehow, our elected representatives decided that everyone's vote would count on everything (except presidential elections). Those that benefit from the system without contributing will naturally vote for more of the same in most cases.

This purported Marine needs to examine his allegiances. The oath he took was to defend the United States and the Constitution, not the power brokers in DC that seem to be hell bent on flying this country into the ground. Push comes to shove, if he decides to go to war against the citizens trying to take back his country, he'll likely find the most dangerous fire is coming from behind....

iamhunter
03-29-2010, 09:43
A) If this isn't fake, this guy is an idiot. The constitution and our government is OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people.

If he wants to slay his fellow countrymen to protect a government that is systematically dismantling our founding document, God help him.

Let's just clarify though, He wouldn't be defending the constitution.

The constitution's sole purpose is to protect the people from the tyrannies of government.

Not to protect the government from the people.

He needs some serious history lessons and a big reality check.

funkfool
03-29-2010, 10:19
My BSometer is twitching. I'd like to have a little clarification on who exactly wrote that and when.


http://americanpatrol.com/POPUPS/IMAGES/BS-Meter.gif

battle_sight_zero
03-29-2010, 10:54
This letter was posted on news vine and has been removed. The author if it really a real Marine is listed in my 2nd post. Again could be bs but either way disturbing. Being prior service I took offense to this and thought I share.

Elhuero
03-29-2010, 11:24
Wow, a Marine talking shit. whod've thunk it? they never do that

SNAFU
03-29-2010, 11:28
Wow, a Marine talking shit. whod've thunk it? they never do that

Yhea we never talk smack,, ;)

USMC 83-90

HandKBRad
03-29-2010, 16:47
Yhea we never talk smack,, ;)

USMC 83-90

Yes, I thought we went though this before. [Sofa]

Hoser
03-29-2010, 18:43
Wow, a Marine talking shit. whod've thunk it? they never do that

You can always tell a marine, but not much.

GunTroll
03-29-2010, 18:58
Tool witha haircut is all. The first to strike will lose. And that goes for both sides of this imaginary scenario he has drafted out.

theGinsue
03-29-2010, 20:31
Pretty big assumption he makes, that the entire Marine corp and all civilians would be two opposing sides in a imaginary "war"

Where did this guy come from? Born under a bridge? Letter creator is a TROLL.

Agreed.


Really disappointing that he has already laid out the scenario in his head to attack his own country. No one wants violence or civil unrest, at least not me, but to think it isn't possible, is to be unprepared. And while he would be over there fighting, guys like us would be protecting his family from attacks by those who would take advantage of the chaos caused by the meltdown of our monetary systems and such.

+1

I believe that this post/thread is applicable here:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185401&postcount=1

theGinsue
03-29-2010, 20:34
You can always tell a marine, but not much.


Oh, I'm using that at work tomorrow!

low drag
03-30-2010, 06:07
I guess it's OK to beat up a Tea Party protester if you're an SEIU member and big time supporter of Obama. No assault on the Constitution there......

The silence of the president and old media on the issues of threats and violence from the so-called left is defining.

I don't condone the threats of violence of either side. However it is flat out frightening the media (corrupt) only reports on one side.

EDIT: And to that Marine. I have to wonder what his MOS is.