View Full Version : Well-known Douglas-area rancher is found slain
ChunkyMonkey
03-29-2010, 13:10
There have been rumors on mp.net about an AZ/TX rancher killed by The Cartel, and the local Sheriff family got murdered for aggressively pursuing the case. Has anyone heard of such news? I found this, I wonder if this how that rumor got started...
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_bfac06dd-7495-5750-9ed2-d590c7bc913c.html
Megan Neighbor and Andrea Rivera Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:00 am
A longtime rancher was killed on his Douglas-area property over the weekend, and neighbors worried that his homicide was connected to increasing border-related crime in the area.
The Cochise County Sheriff's Office offered little information into the late-Saturday shooting death of 58-year-old Robert Krentz, whose family began the Krentz Ranch more than 100 years ago.
Krentz's body was found on his land, which is about 35 miles northeast of Douglas, just before midnight Saturday, said Carol Capas, a spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office.
The Sheriff's Office, aided by the U.S. Border Patrol, had no suspects Sunday and continued to follow leads, Capas said. She declined to comment on reports from neighbors and border activists that Krentz's death was related to smuggling in the area.
Area residents said Krentz had no enemies, and they could think of no motive for his death other than the possibility it was related to what they called the growing level of crime in the area related to illegal immigrants and drug smugglers.
Tom Tancredo, a former U.S. representative from Colorado, was visiting ranchers near Douglas to discuss border issues when he heard of Krentz's death.
Tancredo said he and Krentz were friends and that he was "a mild-mannered guy" who was known for providing illegal immigrants with food and water.
Tancredo and Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, said Krentz phoned a family member Saturday afternoon to say he was out near his watering hole, providing one or more illegal immigrants with aid.
That's the last his family heard from him, Simcox and Tancredo said.
"He looked the other way so often," Tancredo said. "It's so ironic that he, of all people, got murdered."
If Krentz's killing was caused by an illegal immigrant or a drug smuggler, U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Omar Candelaria said, it would be a first for the area, to his recollection.
"We haven't seen any instances of illegal immigrants or drug smugglers attacking U.S. citizens," Candelaria said.
Others who live nearby were unwilling to disclose their names when they spoke about the homicide Sunday because, they said, they were afraid of possible repercussions. A person at the Krentz home also declined to comment.
In a 1999 PBS interview, Robert Krentz and his wife, Susan, said illegal immigrants once stole property from their ranch, but that incident didn't stop him from aiding other trespassers.
"You know, we've personally been broke in once. And they took about $700 worth of stuff. And you know, if they come in and ask for water, I'll still give them water. I, you know, that's just my nature," Krentz was quoted as saying in written transcripts of the interview.
The longtime rancher's homicide already has caught U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' attention.
Sometime this week, the Arizona Democrat will travel to Douglas for a briefing on the homicide, said Giffords' spokesman, C.J. Karamargin.
"Rob Krentz was a pillar of the Cochise County ranching community," Giffords said in a press release. "He will be greatly missed."
The Krentz family's cattle ranch was inducted into the Arizona Farming and Ranching Hall of Fame in 2008. The family started the ranch in 1907.
Contact reporters Megan Neighbor at 307-0579 or mneighbor@azstarnet.com and Andrea Rivera at arivera@azstarnet.com or 807-8430.
he was allowing illegal immigrants to come into the country...he knowingly was helping criminals and became a criminal himself.
nothing lost IMO.
ChunkyMonkey
03-29-2010, 13:20
He has been playing with fire for long time from the sound of it. I bet his ranch became smugglers' fav. route and things went out of control.
I am trying to confirm the rumors about the Sheriff on the case was murdered also.
cowboykjohnson
03-29-2010, 15:11
he was allowing illegal immigrants to come into the country...he knowingly was helping criminals and became a criminal himself.
nothing lost IMO.
+1
SA Friday
03-29-2010, 15:41
Wow, you guys are harsh. I'm not so sure I can condemn the man for giving another human being a drink of water and some food.
Now where'd I put that fire resistant suit? [Fire]
He was not a criminal. I will play the Devil's advocate. Giving water or food to a starving dehydrated person is not smuggling illegals across the border.
Seen any pictures of him? He's an older gentleman who posed no threat,but had called authorities numerous times.
Do you honestly believe he could stem the flow through that area?
Ever been to Camp Pendleton CA? Know how many illegals go through there ?
Might as well call all the Marines and Navy at Camp Pendleton criminals.
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003355.html
Border Rancher Rob Krentz And Dog Found Shot To Death After Aiding Illegal Alien
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Robert Krentz
The body of Rancher Rob Krentz and his dog were found shot to death on his ranch. Krentz, who always was good-natured and willing to help people, had called in that he had found an illegal alien
at one of his watering holes and was assisting him. That was the last that was heard from him before his body was discovered.
Rob Krentz was a lifelong rancher in Southeastern Arizona, 12 miles north of the U.S./Mexico border and 25 miles northeast of the city of Douglas. He was the father of three children. The ranch has been in his family for three generations, more than 100 years - since 1907, and sits on about 35,000 acres with 1,000 head of cattle. Running a ranch is hard work and with the influx of illegal aliens increasing, Rob was at ground zero of the stampede that is destroying the fragile desert landscape.
The Krentz family has received numerous threats in the past by illegal aliens trespassing on their property. In 2002, the family was physically threatened when one of them stumbled upon a group of 39 illegal aliens. They were told to get off the land and they made threats. The Border Patrol did catch the illegal aliens after they were called, but we all know that illegal aliens, if deported, come right back across.
In 1999, Krentz and his wife Susan did an interview with PBS when they came around asking about the issue of illegal immigration
and its impacts on the local ranchers.
"We've been broken into," Susan Krentz told PBS.
"One time," Rob said "You know, we've personally been broke in once. And they took about $700 worth of stuff. And you know, if they come in and ask for water, I'll still give them water. I - you know, that's just my nature."
In 2003, Congressman Tom Tancredo mentioned the challenges of the border ranchers, and in particular highlighted the the Krentz family's plight.
"In the month of November, 2002, in the Tucson Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol ... where the Krentz ranch is located, the Border Patrol apprehended 23,000 border crossers," Tancredo wrote. "many people would suggest that the [apprehension] ratio is just about maybe one in five, and that is a very conservative estimate. ... I think it is closer to one in ten".
That means in that sector alone for one month, 8 years ago, the most conservative estimate is that 115,000 illegal aliens crossed the border in that one chunk of land in the Tucson sector. All of the illegals are unknown.
Tancredo notes that the Krentz's did mention to him that they called the Border Patrol. In one instance illegal aliens had butchered one of his calves.
In February [2002] ... a calf was butchered by illegal alien trespassers. Two men responsible were caught. They were tried. They were found guilty. They served a total of 51 days in jail. They were also ordered to pay $200 in restitution to the Krentz ranch. The Krentz ranch has not seen a cent of that money; and, of course, our best guess is they will not because these people have been released. They either came back into the population up here in the U.S.A. or returned to Mexico.
Tancredo goes into the cases of deliberate sabotage of the Krentz ranch's water supply and the other impacts on the Krentz's by illegal aliens. You can read more, where Tancredo dubs the Krentzs American Homeland Heroes
6 years after the PBS interview, in 2005, Krentz did an interview with KOLD as the number of illegal aliens exploded.
"We’re being over-run, and it’s costing us lots and lots of money," Krentz said.
"We figured it up over the last five years and it’s cost us over $8 million," Krentz said. "Cattle don’t like people walking through, so they move. So, cattle weight loss, destruction of fences, breaking our pipelines, they break them in two and (the pipes) run for two or three days before we find it."
Krentz went on to say that when he was a boy he actually knew the few illegal aliens that came through looking for work, he said it's nothing like that now as hundreds of unknown illegals stream across his land.
Rob Krentz is just one of the many people who live and work along our southern border. A tough, hard working man who was trying to make a living and doing what he loved. Those who support illegal aliens will talk about "human rights", but where were the "human rights" when it came to Rob Krentz? Where was the government to protect our border and prevent this from happening, though they've been told time and time again? They didn't protect his property rights, nor his civil rights.
This country failed Robert Krentz, his family and all who work for him. As they have failed countless families all across this country. The number of deaths is estimated to be from 15-25 deaths caused by illegal aliens each day in this country.
It is not known yet whether Krentz was specifically targeted or whether it was just one of the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who come across our border every year who have actual criminal records, but in the end does it matter? A hard working man was killed on his own land. And all for just trying to help out someone in need.
And that is simply outrageous.
I wonder if Rob Krentz rendered aid to the illegal alien that murdered officer Donny Young, or the illegal alien that murdered 3 yr old Marten Kudlis, Patricia Guntharp, and Debra Serecky. There are hundreds if not thousands of similar cases like these two local high profile cases nationwide.
If Rob Krentz rendered aid to those two ol' Rob got what he deserved.
Fact is, no one knows who Rob Krentz aided and abetted in their criminal activity. People like Rob may be good-hearted but their kindness is wasted on the illegal alien and that kindness came back and killed him.
Glad I didn't have to say it first this time.
Did you read my above post? here's more..
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/29/20100329rancher-killed-at-arizona-ranch.html
Did you read my above post? here's more..
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/29/20100329rancher-killed-at-arizona-ranch.html
Who me? I did, it was very similar to the first article posted. I'm not sure which side of this debate you think I'm on, but it is your side. I don't have any bad feelings for this guy for giving people some water.
Sorry Stuart,was more towards Roberth. I really don't think this guy was going out looking for illegals to help.
More like he had water for his cattle that was also used as a resupply point.
When you read the original post,it's pretty generic.
Reading the 2 I linked shows a different view. More consistent with a rancher trying to get by.
People seem to jump on a "bandwagon"
Hey SNAFU, I read it. I should have been clearer in my post by using this quote.
I am commenting mainly on this part here in the first posted article
"Tancredo said he and Krentz were friends and that he was "a mild-mannered guy" who was known for providing illegal immigrants with food and water.
Tancredo and Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, said Krentz phoned a family member Saturday afternoon to say he was out near his watering hole, providing one or more illegal immigrants with aid.
That's the last his family heard from him, Simcox and Tancredo said.
"He looked the other way so often," Tancredo said. "It's so ironic that he, of all people, got murdered."
I don't find it ironic at all.
I helped a family of what I believe were illegals about 10-12 years ago when they drove into a drainage ditch during a very heavy rainstorm. Why do I think they were illegals, 2 reasons, there were 6 or 8 of them, pop/mom/grandma/kids - not one spoke a lick of English, the most telling reason to me was that they all got VERY scared when I mentioned calling the police and a wrecker to tow them out. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Our government has utterly failed with respect to illegal immigration and I really get pissed when I read where another illegal has murdered another citizen.
Roberth,,I have no love affair with illegals. IMMHO theop paints a very generic picture of the man.
Like the one who shot the Executive{Qwest?} up here then hightailed to Mexico....
Those type need to be hung upside down,till their head explodes. While those victimised by them stone them.
I wonder if Rob Krentz rendered aid to the illegal alien that murdered officer Donny Young, or the illegal alien that murdered 3 yr old Marten Kudlis, Patricia Guntharp, and Debra Serecky. There are hundreds if not thousands of similar cases like these two local high profile cases nationwide.
If Rob Krentz rendered aid to those two ol' Rob got what he deserved.
Fact is, no one knows who Rob Krentz aided and abetted in their criminal activity. People like Rob may be good-hearted but their kindness is wasted on the illegal alien and that kindness came back and killed him.
one of the reasons I have no sympathy. they are already criminals, already taking advantage of this country...what is one more dead guy to them. why not kill him and take over his ranch and make it your own, bring over all your friends and family and have a safehouse.
illegals are taking the bad path from the start, rendering help and aide to them does nothing but empower them more.
the hospitals do this as well when they let illegal women have their babies there, then when they get no cash for services performed, they are forced to shut down and everyone there is on unemployment living off my tax dollars. sorry but I have no sympathy. this is my country and whether it is one illegal or a million, they are invading the borders of my country and it needs to be stopped.
There are b/t 12 and 40 million illegals here in this county. It would be impossible to send them all back but to give them all amnesty is a slap in the face to the people who immigrated here legally.
Where do we draw the line? When do we start prosecuting the people who give illegals jobs, when do we start asking for id before granting medical treatment, when do we say "ENOUGH!"? How many more Krentz', Young's, Kudlis', Guntharp's, and Serecky's need to happen before we do something? Will your loved one be next, with all my heart I hope not.
I'm at "ENOUGH!" now and have been for quite some time, I'm just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up.
Who me? I did, it was very similar to the first article posted. I'm not sure which side of this debate you think I'm on, but it is your side. I don't have any bad feelings for this guy for giving people some water.
do you have any bad feelings with giving a rapist just one taste?
do you have any bad feelings with letting a pitbull have just one bite of your leg?
do you have any bad feelings with a murderer just killing one person?
do you have any bad feelings with obama taxing you just an extra 1% to pay for illegal immigrants that don't pay their medical bills?
do you have any bad feelings with ritter taxing you another 2% to pay for illegal immigrants to go to college?
do you have any problem with people on welfare that live their entire lives on it?
do you have any problems paying extra for insurance due to the illegals that don't carry insurance?
There are b/t 12 and 40 million illegals here in this county. It would be impossible to send them all back but to give them all amnesty is a slap in the face to the people who immigrated here legally.
Where do we draw the line? When do we start prosecuting the people who give illegals jobs, when do we start asking for id before granting medical treatment, when do we say "ENOUGH!"? How many more Krentz', Young's, Kudlis', Guntharp's, and Serecky's need to happen before we do something? Will your loved one be next, with all my heart I hope not.
I'm at "ENOUGH!" now and have been for quite some time, I'm just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up.
time for operation wetback:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
time for operation wetback:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
WAAAAHH - that's profiling. So what, maybe the Hispanic community needs to police itself better.
Oh and La Raza - FUCK YOU AND ALL YOUR KIND!!
theGinsue
03-29-2010, 19:19
he was allowing illegal immigrants to come into the country...he knowingly was helping criminals and became a criminal himself.
nothing lost IMO.
+1 I fully agree with that statement.
This conversation reminds me of a parallel story
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/08/woman-killed-by-bear.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Outposts+(Outposts)
theGinsue
03-29-2010, 19:25
do you have any bad feelings with giving a rapist just one taste?
do you have any bad feelings with letting a pitbull have just one bite of your leg?
do you have any bad feelings with a murderer just killing one person?
do you have any bad feelings with obama taxing you just an extra 1% to pay for illegal immigrants that don't pay their medical bills?
do you have any bad feelings with ritter taxing you another 2% to pay for illegal immigrants to go to college?
do you have any problem with people on welfare that live their entire lives on it?
do you have any problems paying extra for insurance due to the illegals that don't carry insurance?
I've got to remember that response - I wish I'd come up with it.
do you have any bad feelings with giving a rapist just one taste?
do you have any bad feelings with letting a pitbull have just one bite of your leg?
do you have any bad feelings with a murderer just killing one person?
do you have any bad feelings with obama taxing you just an extra 1% to pay for illegal immigrants that don't pay their medical bills?
do you have any bad feelings with ritter taxing you another 2% to pay for illegal immigrants to go to college?
do you have any problem with people on welfare that live their entire lives on it?
do you have any problems paying extra for insurance due to the illegals that don't carry insurance?
Don't be retarded. Come back with some relevant analogies and I might play your "Let's Blame Everything On Illegals" game with you.
How is letting a person drink contaminated water out of a nasty trough in any way comparable to over looking a murder?
I've got to remember that response - I wish I'd come up with it.
it just bothers me that even people on here are all about their rights, their country and back the military yet when a simple story like this comes out people are sympathetic and seem almost as if they would happily give in since it is just a few illegals.
this is just 1 guy that has helped god knows how many illegals cross the border. I am sure there are several more out there.
that is like saying it is just one more democrat in the senate...before long you are overwhelmed and ultimately get fucked.
Don't be retarded. Come back with some relevant analogies and I might play your "Let's Blame Everything On Illegals" game with you.
How is letting a person drink contaminated water out of a nasty trough in any way comparable to over looking a murder?
it said he gave them food and water.
they are breaking the law.
would you harbor a rapist or murderer in your home...just for the night if you felt sorry for them?
read my above post as well. it isn't JUST one guy....it is helping a flood of them come across the border. one guy makes a call back to his buddies, the word spreads, next thing you know drug cartels are coming through smuggling drugs and full autos which ultimately makes CNN and WE get fucked.
There are b/t 12 and 40 million illegals here in this county. It would be impossible to send them all back but to give them all amnesty is a slap in the face to the people who immigrated here legally.
Where do we draw the line? When do we start prosecuting the people who give illegals jobs, when do we say "ENOUGH!"? How many more Krentz', Young's, Kudlis', Guntharp's, and Serecky's need to happen before we do something? Will your loved one be next, with all my heart I hope not.
I'm at "ENOUGH!" now and have been for quite some time, I'm just waiting for the rest of the country to catch up.
This is a post I can agree with. I took out the medical treatment part because denying people who can't prove their identity while they are unconscious and bleeding to death is retarded and would have a much greater effect on the 300 million citizens we have long before any illegals were effected by it.
Don't be retarded. Come back with some relevant analogies and I might play your "Let's Blame Everything On Illegals" game with you.
How is letting a person drink contaminated water out of a nasty trough in any way comparable to over looking a murder?
oh, and just how aren't any of these relevant analogies?
He didn't help them across the border, they already made it across. I'm not a fan of illegals, but giving someone water who is fresh across the border is about the same as some one is 1 day late paying their taxes. No one is having sympathy for any illegals here. People are upset that someone who was a good enough person to give his own resources to someone in need got killed for it. Charity is a wonderful thing when it is given willingly. I fear that people get so wrapped up in trying to prevent our government from taking hold of their income/land/business/possessions, that they forget that it is perfectly acceptable, no honorable, to give to others of your own will.
I'll cheers glasses with you all night about drug testing people on unemployment, and the government getting their goddamn hands out of my pocket and freely passing out MY money to things I don't support, but you're blurring the lines here and forgetting that this is a person acting of his free will. You hear people say all the time some variation of, "I don't agree with your opinion, but I'll die fighting to allow you to have it." This is just an extension of that same principle.
He didn't help them across the border, they already made it across. I'm not a fan of illegals, but giving someone water who is fresh across the border is about the same as some one is 1 day late paying their taxes. No one is having sympathy for any illegals here. People are upset that someone who was a good enough person to give his own resources to someone in need got killed for it. Charity is a wonderful thing when it is given willingly. I fear that people get so wrapped up in trying to prevent our government from taking hold of their income/land/business/possessions, that they forget that it is perfectly acceptable, no honorable, to give to others of your own will.
I'll cheers glasses with you all night about drug testing people on unemployment, and the government getting their goddamn hands out of my pocket and freely passing out MY money to things I don't support, but you're blurring the lines here and forgetting that this is a person acting of his free will. You hear people say all the time some variation of, "I don't agree with your opinion, but I'll die fighting to allow you to have it." This is just an extension of that same principle.
if he had done the right thing and called the INS word would have spread not to come across his land and he would probably be alive to this day.
I am all for helping people out, but when I know they are fucking me as soon as they continue on their way (that is if they don't steal any of my shit) then i have an issue with offering help to begin with.
it would be like your bank asking you for donations to help it stay afloat, then they receive a massive bailout with your tax dollars...
The guy did what he wanted, and that is his own choice to give food and water to people, but when those same people are eventually going to cost me tax dollars, cost me more money out of my pocket for healthcare, vehicle insurance etc. etc. then i draw the line. he knowingly helped ILLEGAL immigrants into this country. for that I have no sympathy for him.
I swear I've had this conversation on another site a few years ago about this same guy. Realistically, what's he going to do? He can't shoot at them without risking his own safety and freedom. He can call the INS but they'll be long gone before INS gets there. They are going to take the water anyway.
I swear I've had this conversation on another site a few years ago about this same guy. Realistically, what's he going to do? He can't shoot at them without risking his own safety and freedom. He can call the INS but they'll be long gone before INS gets there. They are going to take the water anyway.
it isn't just water. it also said he gave them food, he turned the other way, and look what it got him...dead.
this was texas correct....me: [UZI][Ban3][WooHoo]
Tancredo said he and Krentz were friends and that he was "a mild-mannered guy" who was known for providing illegal immigrants with food and water.
Tancredo and Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, said Krentz phoned a family member Saturday afternoon to say he was out near his watering hole, providing one or more illegal immigrants with aid.
That's the last his family heard from him, Simcox and Tancredo said.
"He looked the other way so often," Tancredo said. "It's so ironic that he, of all people, got murdered."
red: he did this a lot...enough that I am sure word got around, illegals knew he would help, he wouldn't call on them, they would have a resting point to get water, fill up on a minimal amount of supplies, even if it were just lunch and go on their way.
blue: I do not find it ironic at all. it was just a matter of time.
SA Friday
03-29-2010, 22:13
I don't know if he did anything more than assisted people transversing a desert with food and water so they wouldn't die. Yep, he may have done it multiple times too. Good for him.
Show me evidence he committed a crime worse than caring for another human being and I might change my mind, but until then I'm real comfortable not labeling this guy worthy of being gunned down.
Comparing what he did, although it may be a crime by some definition, to a rapist, murderer, or any other violent offender is too faulty to be considered a logical arguement. A few have been quick to conjure images of him assisting drug cartels and the such. Try conjuring up an image of him the first time he found someone dying of thirst on his property and he couldn't save them. It's just as valid with the provided information. Watch someone die with empathy, and let me know just how bloodthirsty you still are.
I've said it before on this issue and I'll say it again. I'm pretty torn about the illegal immigration issue, but I'm not so torn I would wish death to those trying to get into this country without malice. I'm damned sure not confused about not justifying homicide on a man who's giving food and water to starved and dehydrated people.
Colorado Luckydog
03-30-2010, 06:58
I have to wonder if they were paying him to cross through his ranch?
This is a post I can agree with. I took out the medical treatment part because denying people who can't prove their identity while they are unconscious and bleeding to death is retarded and would have a much greater effect on the 300 million citizens we have long before any illegals were effected by it.
I can understand that single aspect.
We need to stop rewarding bad behavior, until we cease granting the rewards they won't stop coming.
Illegals come and stay because of the free ride, not because they can contribute to our society. The new illegal is not the illegal of the early 20th century, the new illegal is a parasite plain and simple.
Will it take the commission of a violent crime upon a loved one to change most people's minds? Yes it will and then it will be too late for them.
This thread may be going in a bad direction....
Sorry folks, but don't be pissing on the grave of a guy that was murdered by no true fault of his own. Show some respect. Do you also try to berate the victims of rape saying "they were asking for it?".
And for cryn out loud. Giving water to a person is not assisting illegal immigration. Person is already across the damn border. If they die in the desert, I'm guessing many of you would be extremely pleased, but sorry to say - it's a human life we are talking about. Illegal immigration is a crime, they are criminals, and they should be treated as such. Nowhere in America however, is illegal immigration (in itself) a crime punishable by death. So what justification do you have for wishing death as a punishment for the crime?
If you want to blame immigration issues, look towards the government. An old guy that doesn't want people to die on his property is not the cause, on any level.
Do you berate everybody who goes overseas to help people because "those" people are not worth helping? Red Cross, Missionaries.. our floating hospitals? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I'm in the company of people.
I'm not trying to take it in a bad direction and I don't wish death upon anyone. I am sorry if it came off that way.
I am all for helping others and giving in a time of need and I do plenty of that myself, but I also see these people as criminals in the beginning, many of which could also be drug smugglers and/or gun smugglers (which we all know what ammo that gives to the media to hurt OUR rights) or future rapists, murderers, thieves etc.
I see this guy as an enabler. I don't condone him for giving people water since they are in fact people, but he never called the authorities. Maybe he felt sorry for them and was sympathetic to their quest for a better life which is also understandable, but if my quest for a better life was to rob a bank and not hurt anyone in the process I don't think that would go over so well. (and that is a pretty good analogy except it is our government that robs from us and gives to the illegals through various aspects, systems and programs).
In 2002, the family was physically threatened when one of them stumbled upon a group of 39 illegal aliens. They were told to get off the land and they made threats. The Border Patrol did catch the illegal aliens after they were called, but we all know that illegal aliens, if deported, come right back across.
Tancredo notes that the Krentz's did mention to him that they called the Border Patrol.
Those were both from SNAFU's link above. It sounds to me at least like this guy was doing the best he could. A 35,000 acre property, 12 miles from the border; there's no realistic way he could police it. So rather than let human beings die on his property, he gave them water and called the Border Patrol.
My bet is some peoples mind have blinders on. Focusing on 1 part of the whole story.
Some people don't want to know the whole story,it doesn't suit there need.
To those who think it was Texas,shows how you read,,it was Arizona.
He was an AMERICAN CITIZEN who was MURDERED for no good reason.
"In the month of November, 2002, in the Tucson Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol ... where the Krentz ranch is located, the Border Patrol apprehended 23,000 border crossers," Tancredo wrote. "many people would suggest that the [apprehension] ratio is just about maybe one in five, and that is a very conservative estimate. ... I think it is closer to one in ten".
and
"In February [2002] ... a calf was butchered by illegal alien trespassers. Two men responsible were caught. They were tried. They were found guilty. They served a total of 51 days in jail. They were also ordered to pay $200 in restitution to the Krentz ranch. The Krentz ranch has not seen a cent of that money; and, of course, our best guess is they will not because these people have been released. They either came back into the population up here in the U.S.A. or returned to Mexico.
Tancredo goes into the cases of deliberate sabotage of the Krentz ranch's water supply and the other impacts on the Krentz's by illegal aliens. You can read more, where Tancredo dubs the Krentzs American Homeland Heroes"
Gee maybe it was a deported illegal with a score to settle.
HBARleatherneck
03-30-2010, 10:50
maybe he could have use humane traps at the water holes. then called for the Border Patrol.
Seal the Damn Border. All the damn border. Its time to put America to work digging a new Panama style canal from SoCal through Texas. We have a right to have a Soveriegn nation with borders.
The part that doesn't make sense to me is that he kept helping these illegals even after an estimate that they cost him 8 MILLION DOLLARS in losses. How many ranchers out there can afford to lose that kind of money and still go on with business as usual?
trlcavscout
03-30-2010, 12:11
I seen a show on a guy doing the same thing last month, he would leave water and some food out in several spots along the desert everyday. Now I am totally against illegals coming in, but I am not against people helping people. I think they are doing good, plus you dont want dead bodies all over your property, hurts the resale. As long as they dont help them directly, give them a ride etc they are not breaking the law. I hope when the guy/guys that did this come across next time they die a slow agonizing death under the hot desert sun with no food or water, or the next rancher just shoots them instead of helping them! I lived in AZ for 5 years I know how hot it gets.
If theres one thing I have learned its that if you help a stranger they will screw you every time.
This thread may be going in a bad direction....
Sorry folks, but don't be pissing on the grave of a guy that was murdered by no true fault of his own. Show some respect. Do you also try to berate the victims of rape saying "they were asking for it?".
And for cryn out loud. Giving water to a person is not assisting illegal immigration. Person is already across the damn border. If they die in the desert, I'm guessing many of you would be extremely pleased, but sorry to say - it's a human life we are talking about. Illegal immigration is a crime, they are criminals, and they should be treated as such. Nowhere in America however, is illegal immigration (in itself) a crime punishable by death. So what justification do you have for wishing death as a punishment for the crime?
If you want to blame immigration issues, look towards the government. An old guy that doesn't want people to die on his property is not the cause, on any level.
Do you berate everybody who goes overseas to help people because "those" people are not worth helping? Red Cross, Missionaries.. our floating hospitals? Seriously, sometimes I wonder if I'm in the company of people.
If you are going give them water, why not a ride...or a place to stay...a job, how about your job?
my point is its a slippery slope. when do you stop? The US/Mexico line is a open wound that needs to cauterized.
terrorists are humans to right? so maybe instead of shooting them we should give them water and a place to stay, and after they kill our friends and family we will send them home... of course that is til they come back at which point we will give them some water and a place to stay etc after all they are just humans.
terrorists are humans to right? so maybe instead of shooting them we should give them water and a place to stay, and after they kill our friends and family we will send them home... of course that is til they come back at which point we will give them some water and a place to stay etc after all they are just humans.
www.sadtuba.com
Comparing illegals to terrorists is the same as comparing high school kids that are late to register for the selective service to serial killers.
Jumpstart
03-30-2010, 19:51
www.sadtuba.com (http://www.sadtuba.com)
Comparing illegals to terrorists is the same as comparing high school kids that are late to register for the selective service to serial killers.
Were not the terrorists, illegal aliens (over stayed visas= illegal alien) that brought down the airplane over Pennsylvania on Septmeber 11, 2001?
Isn't this terrorism too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FvScBRdcQ&feature=related
How about this: More Americans killed by illegal aliens than killed in the Iraq war during same time period. Does this qualify?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lb3oFzCj_0
[Bang]
Over stayed visa = illegal alien, but it doesn't necessarily = terrorist.
Go ahead and compare the percentage of over stayed visas that are violent criminals to the ones that are not.
No, crime victims of illegal aliens is NOT terrorism.
I can't even respond to this crap anymore.
Maybe you should take up the fight with MADD to curb all those drunk driving terrorists as well.
Jumpstart
03-30-2010, 20:06
Over stayed visa = illegal alien, but it doesn't necessarily = terrorist.
Go ahead and compare the percentage of over stayed visas that are violent criminals to the ones that are not.
No, crime victims of illegal aliens is NOT terrorism.
I can't even respond to this crap anymore.
Maybe you should take up the fight with MADD to curb all those drunk driving terrorists as well.
Yeah, yeah I know. I'm being racist.
ChunkyMonkey
03-30-2010, 20:12
Were not the terrorists, illegal aliens (over stayed visas= illegal alien) that brought down the airplane over Pennsylvania on Septmeber 11, 2001?
Isn't this terrorism too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FvScBRdcQ&feature=related
How about this: More Americans killed by illegal aliens than killed in the Iraq war during same time period. Does this qualify?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lb3oFzCj_0
[Bang]
3 of those Terrorists were out of status/overstaying, the rest were still in good status (all legal aliens are terrorists too?). Terrorists are terrorists! Illegal Aliens are illegal aliens! Sometimes they are both.. However, to generalize both as one is ... naive(?)
Each day you sound more and more like the Chicom who seems to claim all minority groups that are against the Communist party are terrorists.
No one is denying that this county has a HUGE illegal alien issue. Enforcement is the key here, there is enough law on every subject in this country, but another reform is completely pointless as we are unable to enforce the current ones. God forbid the current administration would try to pass a general amnesty.
Stuart they are just blind to facts,and trying to justify themselves.
He had confronted 30+ illegals whom he told to get off his property.
He has been threatened,by illegals,and 30+ were apprehended /deported.
At least 2 others were arrested for poaching,jailed and fined. Then also deported.
No one thinks that a lone illegal with a grudge could come back,knowing border patrol gets maybe 1 out of 100 .
HE WAS MURDERED ,BY AN ILLEGAL GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD
35,000 acres
1,000 head cattle to watch guard feed water,repair fenceline
23,000 border crossings in this area alone per month
ChunkyMonkey
03-30-2010, 20:15
Yeah, yeah I know. I'm being racist.
HEY we agree! J/K.. nah you are just to the right of rightest I could ever be [Beer]
Jumpstart
03-30-2010, 20:45
Each day you sound more and more like the Chicom who seems to claim all minority groups that are against the Communist party are terrorists.
Yeah that's me all right, those dang minority groups that are against the Communist party are terrorists, terrorists I tell you..
Jumpstart
03-30-2010, 20:49
HEY we agree! J/K.. nah you are just to the right of rightest I could ever be [Beer]
"we"? You got a mouse in your pocket?
" I'm not a racist, I'm a realist" Kinky Friedman
theGinsue
03-31-2010, 07:20
www.sadtuba.com (http://www.sadtuba.com)
Comparing illegals to terrorists is the same as comparing high school kids that are late to register for the selective service to serial killers.
No longer an issue. My son turned 18 in early Feb. About a week later he received notification from the Selective Service Administration that he was automatically registered.
No longer an issue. My son turned 18 in early Feb. About a week later he received notification from the Selective Service Administration that he was automatically registered.
I was wondering when that was going to happen. I always thought it odd with all the info the .gov and even private companies have on kids that they would need to register for selective service.
No longer an issue. My son turned 18 in early Feb. About a week later he received notification from the Selective Service Administration that he was automatically registered.
And I had to take 20 minutes out of my busy 18y/o schedule to do it...[Rant2]
And I had to take 20 minutes out of my busy 18y/o schedule to do it...[Rant2]
Damn you are fast Marlin!
bet your wife tells you that too though huh[Tooth][LOL][ROFL3]
I kid I kid!
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