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funkfool
03-30-2010, 16:23
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Mark Twain's Own Autobiography: The Chapters from the North American Review

Here is a thread to put the lies...
I'll start.

President Obama alludes that the Heritage Foundation supports the health care package:
http://www.myheritage.org/media/?videoID=74693223001


Mr. President, Heritage does not support Obamacare
President Obama this morning cited The Heritage Foundation's research in an attempt to sell his health care package as a "middle of the road, centrist approach." We take great exception to this misuse of our work and abuse of our name. This is but the latest act in a campaign to sell this big-government program as a moderate law that incorporates conservative ideas. Americans should not be fooled.

Let's be very clear: We oppose this new law because it is a radical new intrusion into the daily lives of all Americans and a massive takeover of one-sixth of the U.S. economy. We view the President's health care law as inimical to our national interests and offensive to the historic American dedication to the principle of self-government.

Our research has shown that President Obama's health approach is financially unsustainable and will ultimately lead to health care rationing, a lower quality of care and a greater degree of dependence on government. We deplore those outcomes and are committed to making the intellectual case for this law's repeal.
What part of that does President Obama not understand?

Specifically, President Obama told NBC's Today Show (http://members.myheritage.org/site/R?i=S3dB_ObvBKka9cwyx111tA..) host Matt Lauer that a centerpiece of his health care package, "in terms of the exchange, just being able to pool and improve the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market—that originated from The Heritage Foundation."

But the President knows full well—or he ought to learn before he speaks—that the exchanges we and most others support are very different from those in his package. True exchanges are simply a market mechanism to enable families to choose their health insurance. President Obama's exchanges, by contrast, are a vehicle to introduce sweeping regulation and federal standardization on health insurance.
Moreover, we completely disagree that President Obama's law improves the purchasing power of individuals in the insurance market. On the contrary, it will create a staggeringly complex and costly insurance system that will drive up premiums for Americans.

The President's health care law is only eight days old, and already it has cost our economy billions of dollars. Late last week, AT&T alone took a $1 billion charge because of the impact of the bill, and the consulting firm Towers Watson told the Wall Street Journal that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion. It is sad, given the present state of our economy, that the President's party in Congress has reacted not by trying to find ways to spare the jobs that will be lost because of this law. Instead, they are trying to intimidate companies that take such charges with threats that they will be hauled in before the Energy and Commerce Committee.

It is also revealing that President Obama is still struggling to sell the American people on a bill that he and his party rammed through passage by a narrow margin in the face of bipartisan opposition. It is a sign of desperation that he, his handlers and the media echo chamber are reverting to the campaign practice of selling the President and his policies as centrist, middle of the road and aisle-crossing. As the country has found out the hard way in the past 15 months, they are none of those things.

The President has made a habit of using conservative talking points when trying to sell a liberal ideology because he knows that this is a center-right country that rejects his agenda when articulated honestly. His supporters have even tried to pin the blame of the potentially unconstitutional individual mandate on us. This approach brushes over the details of our research and ignores our ability to evolve past further developed research.

Over 16,000 new IRS agents will be hired by the government to enforce the President's mandate on the American people. The President's health care plan also raises premiums, taxes, and costs while lowering quality, and expanding Medicaid. These are not conservative ideas.

And let's be clear, these are not ideas Heritage has ever, or would ever, support.

We made every effort over the past year to share our ideas for better health care reform with the President and members of both parties in Congress, but were not invited behind the closed doors. Now, after the bill is signed, it seems the President wishes we were along for the ride. We were not. We remain fervently opposed to the President's partisan plan, and urge its immediate repeal. This is not common politics, it's common sense.

Had President Obama limited his bill to centrist elements, he would have won wide bipartisan support for effective reform both within Congress and among the American people. He would have won it, too, at a fraction of the cost of this intolerable, huge and intrusive legislation. He would not now be facing popular rejection by the American people. And he would not need to misrepresent Heritage policies and positions in an attempt to give his radical health plan the patina of respectability.

Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D.
President
The Heritage Foundation

Irving
03-30-2010, 16:31
Oh Snap! Take that sucka.


It is a sign of desperation that he, his handlers and the media echo chamber are reverting to the campaign practice of selling the President and his policies as centrist, middle of the road and aisle-crossing.



OUCH haha

funkfool
03-30-2010, 21:55
everybody must be tired...
March 26th, 2010
Obama Lies about 5 days to Review Healthcare Bill (http://obamalies.net/obama-lies-about-5-days-to-review-healthcare-bill.html)

Obama Lied about giving the public 5 days to look at the health care bill before signing it, but then again, is it any surprise from the people that said you’ll save 3000% on your health Care Costs (http://www.co-ar15.com/obama-premiums-will-decrease-3000.html)? To them I’m sure it made sense that Sunday Night to Tuesday Morning was 5 days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU&feature=player_embedded

Read the rest of this entry » (http://obamalies.net/obama-lies-about-5-days-to-review-healthcare-bill.html#more-1030)

funkfool
03-30-2010, 21:57
hell - wake up people.
One reponse?

Irving
03-30-2010, 22:06
I read it. :(

Zundfolge
03-30-2010, 22:26
hell - wake up people.
One reponse?

What do you want from us ... most of us have been yelling all this at the top of our lungs for the better part of the last two years

funkfool
03-30-2010, 23:32
Don't give up now...

[Beer]

I don't know..
I'm just ...
I don't know...
Just seems like so much effort on topics that are... what... frivolous?
Guess I'm just... what?
...not satisfied.
Entirely my issue.
Entirely my problem.
Entirely my dissatisfaction.
Guess I just expect more.
My apologies.

But I can't get over it...

What do I want from you?
Nothing more than you are willing to give.

I have said my entire life that: "Everything I am, I owe to this country".
Well, the time is now.
The time is at hand.
I'm gonna stand in front of that pledge.
I don't expect anything from anyone...

But, somehow....
I guess I just expected...

But I am not disappointed...
My spirits soar -
This experiment in freedom WILL NOT vanish from this earth in my life time...

I am gonna get my hands dirty... I'm going to get deeply involved into politics.

God help me.

I love you guys and gals - you seem like great people.
I aplogize if I came off overly apoplectic.

SAnd
03-30-2010, 23:37
Are you serious? If we start listing the lies this will make the "Boost your Post Count" thread look tiny.

funkfool
03-30-2010, 23:44
That is EXACTLY what I hope for:
What about this...
Violence against women - we are all against it...
however - the left- or the 'arts' community thinks it is 'art'...
Don't believe me?

MOAN: Pleasure and Pain (Community Event)
Time: 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Location: UCCS Gallery of Contemporary Art 1420, Campus Gallery Located in the Science Bldg. 1420 Austin Bluffs Pkwy Colorado Springs, CO 80918

MOAN: Pleasure and Pain. Taking inspiration from a sound that straddles pleasure and pain, Moan features art work in a variety of media by UCCS Visual Art faculty and students as a part of the City Dionysia Festival. A maelstrom of violence, The Bacchae is a potent source for examining the heart of revelry, intoxication, and vengeance. Opening reception: March 4, 6 – 9 pm. Closing reception (with a live performance of excerpts from the Bacchae score): April 2, 6 – 9 pm. Gallery hours: Tuesday - Friday 12:00pm-6:00pm

This sound like something that is promoted by the left...

Art work?!?!?!
Sexual violence!?!?!
Where is NOW or any of the other womens groups?
No where... why?
HHHMMMM?
ANYONE?

funkfool
03-30-2010, 23:56
Maybe if I posted it in general discusion...
But it belongs here...

jake
03-31-2010, 00:55
A moan IS a sound that straddles pleasure and pain. You can moan in pleasure, or you can moan in pain.

The Bacchae is a Greek tragedy. A play, written 2000 years ago.

I don't think this performance is what you think it is.

And I don't see the words 'sexual violence' anywhere in the description of the performance. Only in your summing up.

funkfool
03-31-2010, 01:31
A moan IS a sound that straddles pleasure and pain. You can moan in pleasure, or you can moan in pain.

The Bacchae is a Greek tragedy. A play, written 2000 years ago.

I don't think this performance is what you think it is.

And I don't see the words 'sexual violence' anywhere in the description of the performance. Only in your summing up.

Ok jake...
I am familiar with the Greek tragedy The Bacchae... are you?

One 'exhibit'...
Claire Rau’s “Rapine” dangles in the middle of the floor. (Disclosure: Rau was a professor of mine.) A wooden chain hooks into the ceiling and piles lazily on the floor, ending with a black gourd-like object about the size of a bowling pin. Rau explained that the black object, lying so subversively on the ground, is a model of a torture device once thrust into men and women. Today, objects like it are sold as sex toys. The take-home message, however brutal: You can’t have pleasure without pain. It’s worth noting that Rau carved the links of the wooden chain herself, totaling over 20 feet in length.
Moan is an artistic achievement for UCCS. It stews in your mind after you leave; I was still thinking about it the next morning, which is always a good sign. The easily offended won't enjoy it, but no matter what your stance, you will talk about it.
http://www.csindy.com/IndyBlog/archives/2010/03/06/review-moan-pleasure-and-pain

You think you mom would be offended?
Or will I see you and you mother there?
I am not a prude.. I toured on the road as a bassist for over a decade (of decadence) with a heavy metal band...
longer in total with other bands including name acts... so I am NOT some folkesy fluffer.

I did not 'sum-up' without an understanding of the details.
Go ahead... further your explanation / defense of this please.

funkfool
03-31-2010, 01:34
Oh - and as an aside... BTW.. just to make sure we are on the same page here:
rap·ine

   /ˈræphttp://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pngɪn, -aɪn/
–noun the violent seizure and carrying off of another's property; plunder.

(In today's vernacular.. it means RAPE.)

funkfool
03-31-2010, 01:53
And, hey... - just following through here:
rape1
   /reɪp/ noun, verb,raped, rap·ing.
–noun
1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
3. statutory rape. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/statutory+rape)
4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
–verb (used with object)
6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

Ok... ?

jake
03-31-2010, 02:00
Ok jake...
I am familiar with the Greek tragedy The Bacchae... are you?

One 'exhibit'...
Claire Rau’s “Rapine” dangles in the middle of the floor. (Disclosure: Rau was a professor of mine.) A wooden chain hooks into the ceiling and piles lazily on the floor, ending with a black gourd-like object about the size of a bowling pin. Rau explained that the black object, lying so subversively on the ground, is a model of a torture device once thrust into men and women. Today, objects like it are sold as sex toys. The take-home message, however brutal: You can’t have pleasure without pain. It’s worth noting that Rau carved the links of the wooden chain herself, totaling over 20 feet in length.
Moan is an artistic achievement for UCCS. It stews in your mind after you leave; I was still thinking about it the next morning, which is always a good sign. The easily offended won't enjoy it, but no matter what your stance, you will talk about it.
http://www.csindy.com/IndyBlog/archives/2010/03/06/review-moan-pleasure-and-pain

You think you mom would be offended?
Or will I see you and you mother there?
I am not a prude.. I toured on the road as a bassist for a decade (of decadence) with a heavy metal band...
Go ahead... further your explanation please.
Yeah, I have a passing familiarity with The Bacchae. I read it and The Frogs at school, along with Oedipus Rex and Antigone was the fourth one I think.

Do I think my mother would be offended? No idea. Knowing my mother, I would imagine her reaction would be indifference. She's not very arty.

Will you see me there? I don't know, when are you going to be there? It closes in a couple of days so I probably won't be able to make it, but if you want to meet up... My mother won't be able to attend though, she lives 4000 miles away.

Thanks for the link that contains a better description of the show. Matt Barton's piece sounds (and looks) boring. Claire Rau's, I would go and see. Twenty feet of carved wooden chain, that's impressive work. I'm not sure I see anything promoting violence against women, though. I remember that in The Bacchae it was the men who suffered all the violence.

funkfool
03-31-2010, 02:28
Yeah, I have a passing familiarity with The Bacchae. I read it and The Frogs at school, along with Oedipus Rex and Antigone was the fourth one I think.

Do I think my mother would be offended? No idea. Knowing my mother, I would imagine her reaction would be indifference. She's not very arty.

Will you see me there? I don't know, when are you going to be there? It closes in a couple of days so I probably won't be able to make it, but if you want to meet up... My mother won't be able to attend though, she lives 4000 miles away.

Thanks for the link that contains a better description of the show. Matt Barton's piece sounds (and looks) boring. Claire Rau's, I would go and see. Twenty feet of carved wooden chain, that's impressive work. I'm not sure I see anything promoting violence against women, though. I remember that in The Bacchae it was the men who suffered all the violence.
Excellent answer.
The thread was intended to identify and illustrate falsehoods that are perpetuated by the left... and or politicians that facilitate those misrepresentations.
Art?
Ahhh...
We all have our own perceptions of art.
However...
My specific use of this example was to illustrate the use of art, by the left, to dehumanize women.
Addditionally, these tactics are used to decriminalize certain behaviors in order to being about the normality of those behaviors.
Just as the thread topic describes:
Lies, damned lies and statistics.
I can cite a varitey of these tactics that have been used - to normalize behaviors - that you would certainly be familar with...
Are you going to attend this show?
I may.. just to see if I am wrong.
I just might be.
(Please accept my apologies for referencing your maternal unit - was not my intention to denigrate or disparage in that respect).

Troublco
03-31-2010, 21:23
That is EXACTLY what I hope for:
What about this...
Violence against women - we are all against it...
however - the left- or the 'arts' community thinks it is 'art'...
Don't believe me?

MOAN: Pleasure and Pain (Community Event)
Time: 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Location: UCCS Gallery of Contemporary Art 1420, Campus Gallery Located in the Science Bldg. 1420 Austin Bluffs Pkwy Colorado Springs, CO 80918

MOAN: Pleasure and Pain. Taking inspiration from a sound that straddles pleasure and pain, Moan features art work in a variety of media by UCCS Visual Art faculty and students as a part of the City Dionysia Festival. A maelstrom of violence, The Bacchae is a potent source for examining the heart of revelry, intoxication, and vengeance. Opening reception: March 4, 6 – 9 pm. Closing reception (with a live performance of excerpts from the Bacchae score): April 2, 6 – 9 pm. Gallery hours: Tuesday - Friday 12:00pm-6:00pm

This sound like something that is promoted by the left...

Art work?!?!?!
Sexual violence!?!?!
Where is NOW or any of the other womens groups?
No where... why?
HHHMMMM?
ANYONE?

Another example of their hypocrisy. Big surprise about that. Anything they do is OK, while anything we do is to be ridiculed, at best.

funkfool
04-01-2010, 09:21
So - just some cursory math here... not like any news organization is going to do this...

(EDIT: I believe the number was 2 million barrels a DAY - so recalculate on that figure)

1 barrel of oil produces 19.5 gallons of gas...
2,000,000.0
x 19.5
39,000000.00
x 365 days
14.235 billion gallons of gas...

so those 58 million cars must use: 245.43 gal per yr. (to go approx 4,908 miles at 20 MPG avg.)

14,235,000,000 ÷ 58,000,000 = 245.43

Just over 245 gallons of gas PER YEAR!
That is just under 5K miles per car...
Average annual automobile mileage = 12K (conservatively)
that is still over 7K more than the stated figure...

MATH FAIL.

Uh... no freaking wonder they are screwing everything up...
They FAILED at math.

jake
04-01-2010, 09:59
Do you have a link to the actual article? I'm not sure how more oil equals less cars regardless of the math. In theory (and I dropped economics after a year so my theory might be wrong), more oil = cheaper gas = people driving more, surely?

jake
04-01-2010, 10:02
N/m, I found it. It's 1.8 billion rather than million.

And I assumed it meant that offshore drilling would produce more oil but it's about fuel efficiency saving oil so we were both wrong :D

funkfool
04-01-2010, 10:14
Do you have a link to the actual article? I'm not sure how more oil equals less cars regardless of the math. In theory (and I dropped economics after a year so my theory might be wrong), more oil = cheaper gas = people driving more, surely?
That is logical.

funkfool
04-01-2010, 10:19
N/m, I found it. It's 1.8 billion rather than million.

And I assumed it meant that offshore drilling would produce more oil but it's about fuel efficiency saving oil so we were both wrong :D

Yes... found it:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/03/31/administration-backtracks-on-drilling-strategy-baffling/


Salazar and Browner highlighted the increased mileage standards, a joint rulemaking between the EPA and the Department of Transportation that was already announced months ago but got finalized today. Browner said that would save 1.8 billion barrels of oil over the next several years, which dwarfs the impact of offshore drilling in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, for example, assumed to be the most oil-rich area affected by today’s decision but expected to yield just 100 million barrels. Browner also highlighted the greening of the federal fleet, a doubling of the number of hybrid vehicles purchased by the government.

But I still say that to put out these numbers is disingenuous and misleading.
More pseudo-science and number fumbling that only serves to confuse the issue and muddy the waters.

sniper7
04-01-2010, 10:22
hell - wake up people.
One reponse?


I'm awake but numb to the lack of listening the senators and congressman and the so called CIC have done. they don't care what we have to say, I can punch keys on here all day but those idiots are doing as they please.
it will take an act of impeachment for obama and removal from office for the senators and congressman to get anything done.

Dalendenver
04-04-2010, 22:33
I agree with your sentiments and thank you for posting the information about the Heritage Foundation. The lies that are coming out of Washington DC are outrageous and continuous. If you repeat a lie often enough people start to believe it. I think their strategy is to tire us out before the election. The money being spent by the left is absolutely incredible.

funkfool
04-05-2010, 07:49
funkfool,
you're preaching to the choir here. .....

Know that we share your views and opinions and we're willing to do what it takes to TRY for change, but we just don't have the energy to keep complaining about it amongst those who share our views.
Yeah... understood... I just tend to get a bit over-wrought.