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[theGinsue]

So I've been giving the current U.S. Census a great deal of thought.

In news releases I saw on T.V. last week, the officials pushing this census made it quite clear that there were 2 questions that people won't find on the census form. I believe that they stressed these questions AREN'T on the form to ensure EVERYONE complete the census (you'll see what I'm getting at in a second).

The two questions that are curiously missing are:
(1) Are you a U.S. Citizen?
(2) If you are not a U.S. Citizen, are you a legal immigrant?

Perhaps the most significant purpose of the census is to determine how to divvy up the congressional districts/lines. The more people within a particular geographic area, the greater representation that area receives. This representation is how CITIZENS, (supposedly) taxpaying citizens, get their voices heard by our legislature.

Now, if Region A reports back at having 10 million people, but Region B reports back at having just 1 million people, simply stated, Region A will receive 10x the congressional representation than Region B will receive.

Now, let's suppose that, of those accounted for in Region A, only 1/2 million are legal U.S. citizens and ALL of those 1 million people accounted for in Region B are legal U.S. citizens. Rightfully, region B shoud receive twice the quota for representation than Region A receives.

The census is pushing for EVERYONE to respond and be accounted for - citizen, legal immigrant, and illegal immigrant, but it isn't taking into account the citizenship status for those being counted. Because of this, congressional districts will be inaccurately (and in my opinion, ILLEGALLY!) determined. Those who deserve representation will not receive it.

Districts with high immigrant populations typically have liberal (Democrats) for elected leaders. If these areas receive an inappropriately high amount of congressional quotas, this inappropriately gives the liberals greater command of our legislature.

Just something to think about.

Discussion?

[Jumpstart]

So I've been giving the current U.S. Census a great deal of thought.

In news releases I saw on T.V. last week, the officials pushing this census made it quite clear that there were 2 questions that people won't find on the census form. I believe that they stressed these questions AREN'T on the form to ensure EVERYONE complete the census (you'll see what I'm getting at in a second).

The two questions that are curiously missing are:
(1) Are you a U.S. Citizen?
(2) If you are not a U.S. Citizen, are you a legal immigrant?

Perhaps the most significant purpose of the census is to determine how to divvy up the congressional districts/lines. The more people within a particular geographic area, the greater representation that area receives. This representation is how CITIZENS, (supposedly) taxpaying citizens, get their voices heard by our legislature.

Now, if Region A reports back at having 10 million people, but Region B reports back at having just 1 million people, simply stated, Region A will receive 10x the congressional representation than Region B will receive.

Now, let's suppose that, of those accounted for in Region A, only 1/2 million are legal U.S. citizens and ALL of those 1 million people accounted for in Region B are legal U.S. citizens. Rightfully, region B shoud receive twice the quota for representation than Region A receives.

The census is pushing for EVERYONE to respond and be accounted for - citizen, legal immigrant, and illegal immigrant, but it isn't taking into account the citizenship status for those being counted. Because of this, congressional districts will be inaccurately (and in my opinion, ILLEGALLY!) determined. Those who deserve representation will not receive it.

Districts with high immigrant populations typically have liberal (Democrats) for elected leaders. If these areas receive an inappropriately high amount of congressional quotas, this inappropriately gives the liberals greater command of our legislature.

Just something to think about.

Discussion?

Dude, that's racist. (insert copious amounts of sarcasm)

[esaabye]

I think if you frame it in the time it was written it is perfectly reasonable not to ask, as we did not have “Illegal Aliens” in the 1780’s. It is congress who has authorized the additional questions over the years and they could ask those 2 questions if they wanted to.

I only answered the number and age, if they don’t know the rest already they are more inefficient than I believe and we still have hope, but I doubt it.

[GreenScoutII]

I have no problem with the census as it is necessary to determine proper representation in congress. I do think something may be a little fishy for the reasons you mentioned though.

My opinion is that the Dems are very afraid of voter reprisal over healthcare reform and are looking to bolster their strength by any means necessary.

[Colorado Luckydog]

As bad as the Democrats have pissed off the American people(some libs and most every conservitive), they will be fighting for the votes of every illegal in the United States in the coming elections. It's a DAMN SHAME, that they can even vote but they can. The illegal Mexicans are the fastest growing population in America. They are having more babies and crossing faster than any of us can even imagine.

[SA Friday]

One of my professors has a PhD in Sociology, and we were discussing the census in class the other day. One thing to consider is most illegal aliens will be very very hesitant to send in a piece of paper with their name and birth date (and everyone else in the house) to the US Govt. The majority of illegals don't understand the laws concerning census information, and even so will weigh the risk of exposure to the govt against their one little contribution and throw the census away. So, the impact to the census will probably be extremely low.

I would worry more about an ammendment to the constitution stopping an actual head-count census to a statistical head-count. The majority of census information lost is due to disregard. The majority of those who disregard the census and it's impact on politics are the lesser educated and poor. This demographic is predominately Democrat in their political views. Most experts agree a statistical census would probably be more accurate (and not count the few illegals who do send in the census form). The same also agree this would shift a few sections from red to blue.

I'm good with the census form...

[Irving]

Well they can't just put down Murdering Terrorist with a box next to it now can they?

[GreenScoutII]

Wow, someone must have fed Irving a double helping of sarcastic o's today! Doing alright buddy?

[Irving]

No, I can't find a damn job (probably because of all those illegal-baby-murdering-terrorists).

[SAnd]

The thing about the census counting bodies or citizens has already been through the courts. Because of the wording of the constitution it's been ruled to call for a body count. They said everybody should be represented in congress, not just voters. If I recall correctly.

I personally believe it should be a citizen count.

It doesn't really matter though. I think the odds are that we have had our last legitimate election. Acorn, union and political thugs, illegals voting, and the dems deliberately concentrating on getting control of the vote counters have made it unlikely we will see true election results anymore.

[theGinsue]

As much as I hate to admit it, I think you're on to something there!

[sniper7]

The thing about the census counting bodies or citizens has already been through the courts. Because of the wording of the constitution it's been ruled to call for a body count. They said everybody should be represented in congress, not just voters. If I recall correctly.

I personally believe it should be a citizen count.

It doesn't really matter though. I think the odds are that we have had our last legitimate election. Acorn, union and political thugs, illegals voting, and the dems deliberately concentrating on getting control of the vote counters have made it unlikely we will see true election results anymore.



+1 on all of this.

[Hoosier]

Now, if Region A reports back at having 10 million people, but Region B reports back at having just 1 million people, simply stated, Region A will receive 10x the congressional representation than Region B will receive.

This is not true! We have a bicameral legislature, where the lower house is apportioned according to population (House of Representatives) and the upper house (Senate) is apportioned 2 to each state.

So even in North Dakota only has 640k residents it gets 2 votes in the senate, just like California with 37m residents. In fact because there is a minimum of 1 in the H.R. those North Dakotans are still over-represented per capita.

H.