View Full Version : Bersa .380 slide engages on it's own
yjsaindon
04-20-2010, 08:12
I bought a used Bersa Thunder .380 yesterday from a private party from CO-AR that said it only had 50 rds. through it. This was supposed to be my wifes cc weapon. I got it home, field stripped it and cleaned it. While cycling empty magazines through it with the slide open, the slide cycled forward without my pressing the slide lock. I was able to duplicate it multiple times and used 2 different magazines, thinking that there was something wrong with one of them. It happened with one of the magazines and not the other, so I originally thought it was a bad mag. Then I lightly set it down on the table (slide lock side down) with the slide open and it closed with no magazine at all. [Bang] My wife was sitting there and now has no confidence in what should have been her weapon. I called the seller back this morning an had to leave a message. I'm going to see if I can't get the money back for it.The gun looked like it was in good shape but I don't believe it only has 50 rounds through it. Sorry for the long winded explanation. I'm super frustrated right now as this was my first private party buy. Any help you guys can offer as to what may be wrong with it would be great. Hopefully the seller does the stand up thing. Thanks in advance.
So what's the big deal? My gun has done that since day 1 when it was brand new. Saves me time at matches.
Backinblackrifles
04-20-2010, 11:12
Normal on allot of pocket pistols.
Well, it does sound as if it is a little more touchy than it should be. With my gun, I have to do it on purpose by firmly slamming the mag into the gun.
For what it is worth yjsaidon, if the slide is all the way back, it shouldn't matter if the slide stop was used or not. I've never had my gun not feed a round or have any problems because of this issue.
Backinblackrifles
04-20-2010, 11:24
Ya I have never really found it to be a big deal either. Sounds like the mag is not pushing up hard enough on the slide stop.
yjsaindon
04-20-2010, 20:25
I guess my big thing is that I want the gun to function properly in every aspect. It's conceivable that someone has their finger on the trigger when the slide pushes forward on it's own, and they discharge a round accidentally. I figure that I paid for a working firearm and the thing should work. I did however call Bersa and their CS was fantastic. They are sending a new slide stop to me at no charge to see if it will remedy the problem. I still have no call back from the guy I bought it from though and will be posting a review on the seller later.
it sounds like its not a huge deal. not to mention bersa Is taking care of it. its a chance you take buying anything used. if you looked at it and i'm sure you did since i never buy anything with out looking at it sounds like its all on you now. not on the seller. You could have looked at this when buying since ammo Is not neede for this to happen
cowboykjohnson
04-21-2010, 13:31
I guess my big thing is that I want the gun to function properly in every aspect. It's conceivable that someone has their finger on the trigger when the slide pushes forward on it's own, and they discharge a round accidentally. I figure that I paid for a working firearm and the thing should work. I did however call Bersa and their CS was fantastic. They are sending a new slide stop to me at no charge to see if it will remedy the problem. I still have no call back from the guy I bought it from though and will be posting a review on the seller later.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire....
A new slide stop may fix it, I've had to replace a few on different weapons and it always worked for me.
My Sig had a bad one on it that had to be replaced after only 100 rounds, but they have great customer service and replaced within 2 weeks.
As far as getting your money back I figure a deal is a deal when you shake on it and hand over the cash, broken or not.
First, you should have gone to gunsmith school before buying a weapon. I did. Second, I am guessing you had the slide back at some point during the sale, and it only did this after it was cleaned and oiled? Could you tell it had more than 50 rounds when you bought it? If so I am guessing it seemed to be an ok deal if you still purchased it.
I agree a deal is a deal but it would be nice for people to be honest about the condition of what they are selling. I hope you get this worked out.
ronaldrwl
04-21-2010, 20:21
My walther 380 does that? I thought it was supposed to? It's kind of cool. Slam the mag in and it loads a round.
HandKBRad
04-21-2010, 22:13
I have a Bersa thunder 380. With a empty mag in it, the slide stop holds the slide back. But with a loaded mag or no mag the slide stop works like yours.
I don't think the seller is necessarily dishonest. I'd sell my M&P and it does the same thing. It's normal so of course I wouldn't go out of my way to point it out though.
yjsaindon
04-22-2010, 17:25
I don't think the seller is necessarily dishonest. I'd sell my M&P and it does the same thing. It's normal so of course I wouldn't go out of my way to point it out though.
You can call it whatever you want, but if you were buying a vehicle that needed a transmission and the seller didn't tell you, only to get it home and have it go out, you'd be pretty upset. I don't think it's too much to ask to have someone honestly disclose the condition of the item for sale. Maybe I have an unrealistic expectation of what's honest though.
That's a poor comparison. My gun acts exactly like your new gun does from the factory. Some guns do, and some don't, but I wouldn't consider it broken.
yjsaindon
04-22-2010, 19:24
That's a poor comparison. My gun acts exactly like your new gun does from the factory. Some guns do, and some don't, but I wouldn't consider it broken.
Your M&P is the one that does that from the factory? If mine did that from the factory I'd be trying to get some warranty work done on it. IMO, from the factory, you as the customer should have a gun that functions flawlessly. Sorry it's not perfect, but I guess if it's not a big deal to you it doesn't matter. Thanks for chiming in Stuart.
centerpoint
04-22-2010, 19:29
I am the seller, I did not think that anything was wrong with it. It is not like the car, the gun still works and works well. I loved it i just needed money for school. Like i said before I gave him ample time to look at it, play with it, what ever he wanted to do. I was truthfull about every thing, it just makes me mad that your bad mothing me. When it really your fault that you did not look in to it. I am 18 and know to do that how old are you. This should be the end of it no more crying please.
[Beer]
I think if you got a car with out a transmission you deserve what you got. on the same hand you got to look at this gun. you could have found this out before buy. sorry dude sounds like this one Is all on you!
yjsaindon
04-22-2010, 22:12
I am the seller, I did not think that anything was wrong with it. It is not like the car, the gun still works and works well. I loved it i just needed money for school. Like i said before I gave him ample time to look at it, play with it, what ever he wanted to do. I was truthfull about every thing, it just makes me mad that your bad mothing me. When it really your fault that you did not look in to it. I am 18 and know to do that how old are you. This should be the end of it no more crying please.
[Beer]
CP I'm not trying to bad mouth you. If you truly didn't know the slide engaged improperly (after only 50 rounds), I've got no beef with you and I won't bring it up again. Thanks for the Bersa, I'll figure it out.
YJ [Beer]
Glad to see its worked out
The1andOnlyKC
04-23-2010, 08:55
I have seen at least 30 M&P's do that from the factory, and have heard of about 500 more doing the exact same thing. If you are concerned that it may not have loaded a round as required. Train yourself to do the proper tap rack after every load.
Its really not that hard and it is only one round shaved off the top of the mag.
I think if you got a car with out a transmission you deserve what you got. on the same hand you got to look at this gun. you could have found this out before buy. sorry dude sounds like this one Is all on you!
I have seen at least 30 M&P's do that from the factory, and have heard of about 500 more doing the exact same thing. If you are concerned that it may not have loaded a round as required. Train yourself to do the proper tap rack after every load.
Its really not that hard and it is only one round shaved off the top of the mag.
So if 500 cars came with a bad trans you would say that is acceptable and deal with it? It should stay open and not shut at random. It is a defective part! Who cares if yours does it too, that doesn't make it right. I would also be calling S&W to get it fixed. If you had a bad one I don't care, I want mine to work.
My Prius doesn't stop, but neither do 500 others! It came that way from the factory!
You are retards!! [Stick]
The slide doesn't close at random. Only when you do a specific procedure. Kind of like using a slide stop....
Then I lightly set it down on the table (slide lock side down) with the slide open and it closed with no magazine at all. [Bang]
YEAH that's what it is supposed to do!
I did however call Bersa and their CS was fantastic. They are sending a new slide stop to me at no charge to see if it will remedy the problem.
Bersa thinks it works just fine so they are sending him a part for no reason? WTF is wrong with you?
I'd like to know how he set it down, and if it was so sensitive that he didn't notice it when he was checking it out.
I'd be concerned if my gun did that, but it doesn't.
Also, I can call Smith and Wesson right now and they'll send me any part I ask for right away for free, that isn't the barrel, slide, frame, trigger, or a sight. Doesn't mean they think my gun is broken though.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is correct to look into the slide issue on the Bersa because they aren't known for that, and not every gun is put together the same way. If the slide on my CZ closed like it does on my Smith, I'd send it in for sure.
I'm just thinking it will likely be a worn part or weak spring or something that will be easy and cheap to fix and that this thread was kind of blown out of proportion.
Backinblackrifles
04-23-2010, 15:10
Every one remove the magazines from you ar's and lock back the bolt, Then smack the but stock and see what happens, OMG! THE BOLT CLOSES! It happens guys without a mag pushing up on the bolt stop THEY CLOSE! It Don't Matter what make or model Colt, S&W, AR, 1911. They will ALL DO IT! Some just take a small bump some take a bigger bump and if you bump it hard enough with a loaded mag it will do the same thing, Again without the Follower in the mag pushing up on the bolt stop it WILL CLOSE! The gun is not defective it probably is not even worn EVERY POCKET PISTOL I HAVE EVER OWNED HAD THIS PROBLEM!
cowboykjohnson
04-23-2010, 15:14
So if 500 cars came with a bad trans you would say that is acceptable and deal with it? 1
It should stay open and not shut at random. It is a defective part! Who cares if yours does it too, that doesn't make it right. I would also be calling S&W to get it fixed. If you had a bad one I don't care, I want mine to work.
My Prius doesn't stop, but neither do 500 others! It came that way from the factory!
You are retards!!2 [Stick]
1- No but you should be able to tell if a transmission is bad on a vehicle you are about to purchase if you look it over well and test drive it (much like this firearm...).
2- I don't appreciate you calling people retards for having a valid opinion on a suspected problem that was brought up for discussion.
As far as the Smith, if you insert the mag with enough force, the inertia pulls the spring loaded slide stop down. I can essentially over power the slide stop spring with my finger, or by inertia. Doesn't mean that particular gun is broken.
Every one remove the magazines from you ar's and lock back the bolt, Then smack the but stock and see what happens, OMG! THE BOLT CLOSES! It happens guys without a mag pushing up on the bolt stop THEY CLOSE! It Don't Matter what make or model Colt, S&W, AR, 1911. They will ALL DO IT! Some just take a small bump some take a bigger bump and if you bump it hard enough with a loaded mag it will do the same thing, Again without the Follower in the mag pushing up on the bolt stop it WILL CLOSE! The gun is not defective it probably is not even worn EVERY POCKET PISTOL I HAVE EVER OWNED HAD THIS PROBLEM!
You admit this is a problem. Like Bersa, the people who made the gun, it is a problem and not working right. He should have let the transmission warm up more before the problem started.
I will not buy a Bersa or a Smith after this thread. I tried to replicate it with my Browning and I have to hit my hand on so hard it hurts to make it close. I dropped it from a foot above the table, mag in and mag out, on both sides, and the bottom and it didn't close.
That's a poor comparison. My gun acts exactly like your new gun does from the factory. Some guns do, and some don't, but I wouldn't consider it broken.
I'd be concerned if my gun did that, but it doesn't.
Ummmm.... What else can I say?
1- No but you should be able to tell if a transmission is bad on a vehicle you are about to purchase if you look it over well and test drive it (much like this firearm...).
2- I don't appreciate you calling people retards for having a valid opinion on a suspected problem that was brought up for discussion.
1. Sometimes it takes more than a test drive to find some problems. I agree the sale is over... fine.
2. If the shoe fits. People here admit its a problem, but he shouldn't be upset about it? I am sorry, I wasn't calling everyone in here a retard. Just the select few who are clearly not qualified to post.
I tried to replicate it with my Browning and I have to hit my hand on so hard it hurts to make it close.
Sounds like it is broken and you should send it in.
ChunkyMonkey
04-23-2010, 17:49
Sounds like it is broken and you should send it in.
lol
Sounds like it is broken and you should send it in.
I called Browning, they called me a retard!
Backinblackrifles
04-23-2010, 18:53
You admit this is a problem. Like Bersa, the people who made the gun, it is a problem and not working right. He should have let the transmission warm up more before the problem started.
I will not buy a Bersa or a Smith after this thread. I tried to replicate it with my Browning and I have to hit my hand on so hard it hurts to make it close. I dropped it from a foot above the table, mag in and mag out, on both sides, and the bottom and it didn't close.
Ya it is annoying as hell but that is about it. Common think about it. Mag. empties rotating the slide stop up and engaging the slide on the slide stop bearing surface. Now what keeps it in place? Pressure from the slide witch is caused by the main spring. Now remove the mag or insert a loaded magazine. and you lose the pressure from the magazine follower, Meaning the only thing keeping the slide stop in place is the pressure on the bearing surface from the slide. Now remove that pressure for a fraction of a second by moving the slide back on purpose or by accident such as a "bump" the return spring of the slide stop does it's job by rotating the slide stop back to its resting position and WALLA the slide closes. Point is They all do it. It may have taken allot more to get you're browning to do it because the springs are stiffer and provide more pressure on the bearing surface, But You admitted it still did close you just had to hit it harder. Again all firearms that have a slide stop if you hit it hard enough will close the slide, Browning or Smith It is a "FLAW" ( if you want to call it that I just call it annoying) That you cannot get around because of basic mechanics. It is just more "noticeable" in smaller cal. firearms that do not provide the UUUMMMFFFF to operate stiff springs Like 380. 22. 9mm makrov. In larger cal. handguns such as 9mm or 45acp you will probably never even notice the reason, why is simple the main springs are MUCH stiffer in order to handle the extra recoil and pressure and in turn put more pressure on the bearing surface of the slide stop so it takes more of a "BUMP" or physical strength to release the pressure and close the slide. Again I would say that it is more of an annoyance than a problem simply for the fact that it is a by product of the mechanics that in the entire history of firearms NO ONE has been able to solve except the makers that simply do not use slides that lock back on the last round.
As far as having the "right to post" in this matter. I have a degree in this shit.
And if it is such a "problem" for the party concerned Get stiffer springs and pop in a new slide stop, but then you are faced with the problem is this little 380 even going to cycle when I fire a shot because the spring is so stiff? So as far as I am concerned you have a choice do you want it to cycle a new round when you fire it, or do you want the slide to lock back? Witch is more important? Again I will say I have never had a pocket pistol or sub compact that did not do this including 7 glocks 3 springfield xds 1911's of all brands, walther, ruger, colt, smith, and more I can't remember, Ya just gotta smack em hard enough.
Not trying to be an asshole but like it or not that is just the way it works... Literaly.
HandKBRad
04-23-2010, 23:29
So if 500 cars came with a bad trans you would say that is acceptable and deal with it? It should stay open and not shut at random. It is a defective part! Who cares if yours does it too, that doesn't make it right. I would also be calling S&W to get it fixed. If you had a bad one I don't care, I want mine to work.
My Prius doesn't stop, but neither do 500 others! It came that way from the factory!
You are retards!! [Stick]
1. Sometimes it takes more than a test drive to find some problems. I agree the sale is over... fine.
2. If the shoe fits. People here admit its a problem, but he shouldn't be upset about it? I am sorry, I wasn't calling everyone in here a retard. Just the select few who are clearly not qualified to post.
The1andOnlyKC “you are a retard” and “clearly not qualified to post”. [ROFL2] [ROFL3]
Wow, second post and you are calling people retards.
My gun has done that since day 1 when it was brand new. Saves me time at matches.
I can do it on purpose with any of my handguns. I actualy spent a lot of time practicing to be able to do that every time I put the mag into the pistol...
So if 500 cars came with a bad trans you would say that is acceptable and deal with it? It should stay open and not shut at random. It is a defective part! Who cares if yours does it too, that doesn't make it right. I would also be calling S&W to get it fixed. If you had a bad one I don't care, I want mine to work.
My Prius doesn't stop, but neither do 500 others! It came that way from the factory!
You are retards!! [Stick]
WOW! Your a complete idiot. You just made yourself look like a total Jack A$$. And if you were to read all the post you would see that he said if you got a car NEEDED a Transmission and the seller knew, Well I know i sure as hell would notice it when i drove it if it needed one. And yes I would say you deserve that.
Oh by the way I'm sorry you drive a Pruis! [ROFL1]
The1andOnlyKC
04-24-2010, 10:49
Well then I will just leave it that until you take the time to learn how a auto loading gun works you will be unhappy with any of them.
After reading this, I had to dig out my Bersa Thunder and check it out. I can make the slide drop if I smack the bottom of the magazine hard enough, but not by slamming the magazine in. Looking at the notch in the slide, the corners of the notch aren't square, they're slightly tapered. I'm sure that's for ease of release or something. If yours is too touchy, perhaps the notch is tapered a tad too much?
And FWIW, this gun shop in Ft. Collins is a Bersa Service Center. http://www.coloradogunworks.com/
WOW! Your a complete idiot. You just made yourself look like a total Jack A$$. And if you were to read all the post you would see that he said if you got a car NEEDED a Transmission and the seller knew, Well I know i sure as hell would notice it when i drove it if it needed one. And yes I would say you deserve that.
Oh by the way I'm sorry you drive a Pruis! [ROFL1]
Maybe I misinterpreted what the op meant. I read it as the trans was not working properly and the seller knew, not that there wasn't one. This I inferred from the statement it had a slide lock, but it seemed it needed work. Maybe the op can clarify my assumption.
As for my 45mpg Prius, I use the extra cash for all sorts of stuff, like working guns, and brake pads.
...As far as having the "right to post" in this matter. I have a degree in this shit.
And if it is such a "problem" for the party concerned Get stiffer springs and pop in a new slide stop, but then you are faced with the problem is this little 380 even going to cycle when I fire a shot because the spring is so stiff? So as far as I am concerned you have a choice do you want it to cycle a new round when you fire it, or do you want the slide to lock back? Witch is more important? Again I will say I have never had a pocket pistol or sub compact that did not do this including 7 glocks 3 springfield xds 1911's of all brands, walther, ruger, colt, smith, and more I can't remember, Ya just gotta smack em hard enough.
Not trying to be an asshole but like it or not that is just the way it works... Literaly.
What degree is this "shit"? My Browning happens to be a .22, and fires fine. Was able to replicate this "problem" technically NO. I had to hit my gun so hard my hand hurt. I set it down hard and it didn't do it. Simplifying the situation, to if you hit it, it will close, then yes we all can do it and it this gun is fine. But from a scientific standpoint, we have many variables that are being ignored. I hit mine like I was driving a nail, not lightly setting it on my table. So "Ya just gotta smack em hard enough." implies that setting it down lightly, it is not functioning proper. Which is what the op is complaining about.
Read the first post, I even quoted the part everyone but my dumb ass seems to miss. "LIGHTLY"!!!! Again, for those who seem to not comprehend, he says he called Bersa, you know the people who made his gun, and they agree it shouldn't do that. So wherever you got you degree from, they don't know how Bersa would like their firearms to perform.
YJSAINDON, let us know how the new slide lock works out. I am sure your "problem" will still exist as it is actually not even a problem. Call Bersa back and apologize since yours works fine. Refer them to this post so then they will understand how to make a firearm, and they don't try to fix guns that are working properly.
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 11:51
Not saying His may be a little finicky what I am trying to to is explain that it happens to EVERY firearm that uses a slide lock mechanism, and is very prevalent in small pistols, I then went on to explain why and how, YA he called bersa and they are sending him a new part great! He can pop it in and it may take a little more to get it to do it, But it is still going to do it. You said you have a browning that does not have this "problem" but you admitted twice that it did close when you smacked it hard enough so ya it has the "problem". And I think anybody who walks onto a forum and thinks it is cool to call people retards on the second post did not get his butt spanked from his parents enough as is evident by the fact that You have no manners. And as far as degree in this shit. I do have a degree in gunsmithing, as well as armorer Certs from Colt, HK, beretta, reminton, Barret, Bushmaster, S&W, Sig, and just like everybody and his brother I also have one from Glock, and have made a decent living doing it. What right do you have to "post" Your opinion here? Besides the fact that this is a free country? If You are going to hang around here please use some Basic manners at the least.
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 12:00
I have a Bersa thunder 380. With a empty mag in it, the slide stop holds the slide back. But with a loaded mag or no mag the slide stop works like yours.
I don't think the seller is necessarily dishonest. I'd sell my M&P and it does the same thing. It's normal so of course I wouldn't go out of my way to point it out though.
I have seen at least 30 M&P's do that from the factory, and have heard of about 500 more doing the exact same thing. If you are concerned that it may not have loaded a round as required. Train yourself to do the proper tap rack after every load.
Its really not that hard and it is only one round shaved off the top of the
mag.
Not to mention you are out numbered and out gunned KC even tho all of our guns are apparently broken, I think you need to man up little soldier and take back a few remarks that you posted earlier.
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 12:03
So if 500 cars came with a bad trans you would say that is acceptable and deal with it? It should stay open and not shut at random. It is a defective part! Who cares if yours does it too, that doesn't make it right. I would also be calling S&W to get it fixed. If you had a bad one I don't care, I want mine to work.
My Prius doesn't stop, but neither do 500 others! It came that way from the factory!
You are retards!! [Stick]
1. Sometimes it takes more than a test drive to find some problems. I agree the sale is over... fine.
2. If the shoe fits. People here admit its a problem, but he shouldn't be upset about it? I am sorry, I wasn't calling everyone in here a retard. Just the select few who are clearly not qualified to post.
Like a few of these. And how do you know who on this forum is "Qualified" to post you have what ten post and don't know anybody?
yjsaindon
04-24-2010, 13:07
After reading this, I had to dig out my Bersa Thunder and check it out. I can make the slide drop if I smack the bottom of the magazine hard enough, but not by slamming the magazine in. Looking at the notch in the slide, the corners of the notch aren't square, they're slightly tapered. I'm sure that's for ease of release or something. If yours is too touchy, perhaps the notch is tapered a tad too much?
And FWIW, this gun shop in Ft. Collins is a Bersa Service Center. http://www.coloradogunworks.com/
The slide release seems to be really worn, as it's fairly rounded. The notch in the slide is worn pretty well too. I'll try the stop first and if that's not it I may have it looked at. Thanks for the help rundog. That's all I was asking for in the original post. I appreciate the direct answer.
YJ
Maybe I misinterpreted what the op meant. I read it as the trans was not working properly and the seller knew, not that there wasn't one. This I inferred from the statement it had a slide lock, but it seemed it needed work. Maybe the op can clarify my assumption.
K2ZJ, You interpreted it exactly as I meant it. In the original post I stated that you "got it home" and found that the tranny was bad. Maybe I could have worded it better? I thought it was pretty clear though.
YJSAINDON, let us know how the new slide lock works out. I am sure your "problem" will still exist as it is actually not even a problem. Call Bersa back and apologize since yours works fine. Refer them to this post so then they will understand how to make a firearm, and they don't try to fix guns that are working properly.
I'll definitely try to post once I get the new slide lock in and perhaps help someone in the future who's dealing with the same thing. I appreciate your input.
YJ
yjsaindon
04-24-2010, 13:13
As for my 45mpg Prius, I use the extra cash for all sorts of stuff, like working guns, and brake pads.
[ROFL1][ROFL2]In the words of Larry the Cable guy, I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!
In post #34 you defend the fact that this not a problem, just the way it works, literally. Then in #41, you agree it may be finicky. So do you agree that his has an actual problem, that it is not working as it is supposed to from the factory? Or is it working as it is supposed to, that this is inherent in every gun of this type, and he should deal with it? Your explanation was great on the operation of a gun, thank you. Again, like repeating myself is going to work, I did say mine did the same thing, and I agree that it will happen. However, his doesn't seem to work as it should because he lightly set it on the table. I dropped mine from over a foot and it stayed open, and again, I had to slam it to recreate this problem.
I will give my analogy, this will be exaggerated to show my point. Let's say we have our loaded firearms at a range. He blows on the trigger and it goes off. Well that is what they all do, when you apply pressure to the trigger it fires duh! Well mine I need to pry it with a screwdriver to get it to fire. That means they are both working properly. That is logic you are using here. Because it closes when bumped, that is normal, but you keep taking the amount of force out of the equation.
If we use the logic your post count is your qualification, then Stuart is clearly one of the top dogs and we should listen to him and only him with 4,400+ posts. Read post #29. You have 128, so you are not qualified, no matter what your background, because you don't post enough. Come on! You make the assumption that my low post count means I don't know anything or anyone. You can read all day and never make a post. This might have been the post that fired me up for what ever reason. I was remembering how many times I took a spanking as a kid and decided to take it out on you.
As for someone not being qualified to post, someone who says they have and don't have something in the same thread, is a great example. But look at how many posts he has, he must be right. I, being someone with only 2 posts, can't conceivably figure this out and call him on it, as again I have ONLY 2 posts!
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 13:22
Hope a new lock helps get the gun to a condition that is satisfactory to you, Just keep in mind that it may not and that the gun will always have the very real possibility of doing it still under pressure when Your adrenaline is pumping and you are under stress. Like another member posted You will still need to practice in the event that it does it in a situation and don't strip a round from the mag. Just like you would train for a stove pipe or double feed, It happens to the best of em it don't mean it is broken and there are things that can be done to bring down the risk but You should try and be prepared for it. Good luck![UZI]
HandKBRad
04-24-2010, 13:35
I'll definitely try to post once I get the new slide lock in and perhaps help someone in the future who's dealing with the same thing. I appreciate your input.
YJ
Cool I would like to know.
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 13:43
OK here it goes, I am saying that is how they all work, I also said that it is much more prevalent in smaller firearms that have much less spring tension holding the the slide against the slide stop, This is especially true in very low pressure 9mm type rounds such as the 380. like I said in my last post it is like a stove pipe or a double feed does that mean the gun is broken? No. Can you do things to the weapon to reduce the risk? Yes. But You will never have a guaranty that it will not ever happen again just by replacing the slide stop. You have made very good points about the situation that are valid. But long story short the gun is not "broken" it may be worn or as happens allot with many pocket pistols is that is just the way it is and there is only two options in that case add a detent to reduce the chance or add more spring tension. If you add a detent it will take two men and a small boy to get the slide to drop without significant leverage, Increase the spring tension and there is a very good chance that the gun will not cycle. Now as far as the other It made me pretty angry that you Do not know stuart or me or know our Quals. and You took it upon yourself to deem them or me retarded and unqualified to post, witch is pretty much the same as calling them STUPID, I am not calling You stupid or retarded I am calling You rude witch as a general rule is not appreciated or tolerated in this forum or any other that I am aware of. It is one thing to sit hear and argue function and performance In fact that leads to making things better and improving the systems and better understanding their use and functions, Yet it is entirely different to personally attack someone who was simply expressing his experiences with several of his own firearms as did a few others and You attacked them for it, and I believe you owe them an apology.
Backinblackrifles
04-24-2010, 13:58
Some of you may or may not find this relevant to this thread and I apologize for Highjacking if it seems that way. Some of you may remember that over the past couple of your Rem. has had several recalls. One of them being especially deadly back in the 90's with several models of semi automatic hunting rifles. Hunters would have the bolt locked back with a round in the mag. They would then set, bump, or drop the rifle on the butt stock that would intern cause the bolt to fall and strip a round from the magazine, But the problem was at the same time the safety switch would fall toward the ground allowing the gun to fire and it killed several people, Solution was since you cannot ever be guaranteed that the bolt will not drop because of the mechanics was to reverse the safety position, Now it is required by law that firearm makers must make the safety so that in order to remove it from the safe position you must push it towards the muzzle in order to prevent the safety from being jarred into an unsafe position, Now that did not entirely fix the issue the safety can still be bumped or jarred out of position, But now there is no way that they can be bumped out of position while it is pointed at Your head.
And I'm spent! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnUiIUNcgaE&feature=related)
The slide release seems to be really worn, as it's fairly rounded. The notch in the slide is worn pretty well too. I'll try the stop first and if that's not it I may have it looked at. Thanks for the help rundog. That's all I was asking for in the original post. I appreciate the direct answer.
YJ
This is why a lot of people contend that the slide stop is just that, a STOP, and shouldn't be used as a slide RELEASE. When you use it as a release, you're grinding that part against the notch in the slide, causing a little bit of wear each time. An auto pistols' slide should be released by "slingshotting" it, or pulling back on it and letting it snap forward into battery.
The slide stops' purpose is to lock the slide open when the magazine is empty, not for releasing the slide. A hard habit to get into, and seems kinda counter-intuitive, but makes sense if you think about it.
yjsaindon
04-25-2010, 12:32
This is why a lot of people contend that the slide stop is just that, a STOP, and shouldn't be used as a slide RELEASE. When you use it as a release, you're grinding that part against the notch in the slide, causing a little bit of wear each time. An auto pistols' slide should be released by "slingshotting" it, or pulling back on it and letting it snap forward into battery.
The slide stops' purpose is to lock the slide open when the magazine is empty, not for releasing the slide. A hard habit to get into, and seems kinda counter-intuitive, but makes sense if you think about it.
I agree 100% and really make an effort not to use it as a release on any of my guns. I still don't think only 50 rounds through the gun would cause it to be as worn as it is. All of my research on the Bersa Thunder says it's a surprisingly well built little .380. Thanks again rondog.
YJ
Try that Colo. Gun Works in Ft. Collins. Give 'em a call and see what they say.
Backinblackrifles
04-25-2010, 19:18
This is why a lot of people contend that the slide stop is just that, a STOP, and shouldn't be used as a slide RELEASE. When you use it as a release, you're grinding that part against the notch in the slide, causing a little bit of wear each time. An auto pistols' slide should be released by "slingshotting" it, or pulling back on it and letting it snap forward into battery.
The slide stops' purpose is to lock the slide open when the magazine is empty, not for releasing the slide. A hard habit to get into, and seems kinda counter-intuitive, but makes sense if you think about it.
I agree 100% and really make an effort not to use it as a release on any of my guns. I still don't think only 50 rounds through the gun would cause it to be as worn as it is. All of my research on the Bersa Thunder says it's a surprisingly well built little .380. Thanks again rondog.
YJ
I agree with both of You, All I was trying to say was even if it is worn and You do replace it don't expect it to be perfect especially on the smaller guns. Wasn't trying to argue with anyone. I still think this K2 or whatever his name was stills owes a few folks an apology for calling them retards. Last time Somebody did that it took about an hour and the mods banned him.
cowboykjohnson
04-26-2010, 12:42
I called Browning, they called me a retard!
In your words... Well if the shoe fits [ROFL1]
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yjsaindon
04-27-2010, 08:08
YJSAINDON, let us know how the new slide lock works out. I am sure your "problem" will still exist as it is actually not even a problem. Call Bersa back and apologize since yours works fine. Refer them to this post so then they will understand how to make a firearm, and they don't try to fix guns that are working properly.
Hope a new lock helps get the gun to a condition that is satisfactory to you, Just keep in mind that it may not and that the gun will always have the very real possibility of doing it still under pressure when Your adrenaline is pumping and you are under stress. Like another member posted You will still need to practice in the event that it does it in a situation and don't strip a round from the mag. Just like you would train for a stove pipe or double feed, It happens to the best of em it don't mean it is broken and there are things that can be done to bring down the risk but You should try and be prepared for it. Good luck![UZI]
I received the new slide stop yesterday and was able to compare it to the old one. The difference is pretty amazing. The new one is nice and crisp and the old one looks like someone took a dremmel to it. I put the new one in and have been trying hard to duplicate the problem, but have so far been unsuccessful. It seems to be working perfectly. I'm chalking this one up as a learning experience, and will definitely do a better job of checking out the next firearm I purchase, as well as the sellers reviews. If I get time I'll post some pictures of the slide stops (if my camera will work that close.) Thanks to the guys that genuinely tried to help a newbie out with his new gun. [Beer]
YJ
Backinblackrifles
04-27-2010, 08:34
Very cool, Next step, Go shoot the hell outa of it, and train! hope You're girl likes it. Still lookin for one for mine.
HandKBRad
04-27-2010, 12:07
Glad to here it worked out. Maybe I'll call bersa too.
yjsaindon
04-27-2010, 12:23
Glad to here it worked out. Maybe I'll call bersa too.
I'd recommend it. They were excellent.
cowboykjohnson
04-27-2010, 13:33
Glad to hear all is good.
Cool, hope the wife feels the same.
I'm also glad you got your issue fixed. Sounds like the stop was way out of spec.
I know you said you've tried to recreate the issue. The best way to do it (in my experience) is when inserting a fully loaded magazine. I can't get my gun to do it any other way (without bleeding).
HandKBRad
04-29-2010, 09:54
Glad to here it worked out. Maybe I'll call bersa too.
Sorry for using the wrong hear.
So I just got off the phone with Bersa. They are sending me a new slide stop. The stop not working good, didn't bug me to much. I figured who cares, it was only a $ 230 gun, But if I would have known all I had to do was call and they would send me one. I would have called sooner.
yjsaindon
04-29-2010, 10:05
Sorry for using the wrong hear.
So I just got off the phone with Bersa. They are sending me a new slide stop. The stop not working good, didn't bug me to much. I figured who cares, it was only a $ 230 gun, But if I would have known all I had to do was call and they would send me one. I would have called sooner.
Glad to hear it. Like I said before, when you pay for a working firearm, it should function properly. It doesn't matter what you paid for it, it should work as intended especially from the factory. It sounds like a lot of people deal with this stuff and are okay with it.....I just found that mine was ridiculously sensitive. A big thanks to Bersa for their CS being so BA.[Beer]
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