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iamhunter
04-20-2010, 11:28
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/16/20100416arizona-concealed-weapons-bill16-ON.html



Arizona to allow concealed
weapons without permit

by Alia Beard Rau - Apr. 16, 2010 03:46 PM
The Arizona Republic

Starting later this summer, U.S. citizens 21
and older can begin carrying a concealed
firearm without a permit in Arizona.

Arizona immigration bill faces Senate
vote Monday

Gov. Jan Brewer signed Senate Bill 1108 into
law Friday afternoon. It eliminates the
requirement for a concealed-carry weapons
permit, but does require gun owners to
accurately answer if an officer asks them if
they are carrying weapon concealed. It also
allows officers to temporarily confiscate a
weapon while they are talking to an
individual, including during a traffic stop.

"I believe strongly in the individual rights
and responsibilities of a free society, and as
governor I have pledged a solemn and
important oath to protect and defend the
Constitution," Brewer said in a news release.
"I believe this legislation not only protects
the Second Amendment rights of Arizona
citizens, but restores those rights as well."

The law goes into effect 90 days after the
Legislature adjourns for this session, which
could happen in the next couple of weeks.

Arizona joins Vermont and Alaska in not
requiring such permits.

"If you want to carry concealed, and you
have no criminal history, you are a good
guy, you can do it," bill sponsor Sen. Russell
Pearce, R-Mesa, has said of his bill. "It's a
freedom that poses no threat to the public."

National Rifle Association lobbyist Matt
Dogali said the new state law would not
violate any current federal requirements.

"There is no federal requirement for a permit
or lack thereof," Dogali said.

The federal government oversees the
background-check program required to
purchase a weapon, which will still be
required in Arizona in most cases.

Brewer last week did sign a separate law that
exempts guns made and kept in Arizona
from federal regulation, including
background checks.

Arizona had 154,279 active permits as of
April 4. Permit holders are spread across all
ages, races and counties, but White males
older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties
hold the majority, according to the Arizona
Department of Public Safety data.

The permits generated $1.8 million in
revenue last fiscal year, according to DPS.
The money is used to help cover costs for
enforcing laws related to the Highway Patrol,
operating the concealed-carry weapon-licensing program and impounding vehicles.

Arizona's permit process will remain in place, and many gun owners may still choose to get a permit. Permits would still be needed in order to carry a weapon into a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol. They would also be needed if an Arizonan wants to carry his or her gun concealed in most other states.

For those who do choose to get a permit, the education requirements do change under the new law. Classes are no longer required to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon. Those who don't get a permit would not be required to get any training or education.

Retired Mesa police officer Dan Furbee runs a business teaching permit and other gun safety classes. He said if most people choose not to get a permit, it will put several hundred Arizona firearms instructors out of business.

"It's going to hurt," he said.

But he said what really concerns him is that the new law will allow people who have had no education about Arizona's laws and no training on the shooting range to carry a concealed gun. The eight-hour class currently required to get a permit includes information on state law and gun safety, as well as requires students to be able to hit a target 14 out of 20 times. Furbee said his class at Mesa-based Ultimate Accessories costs $79, plus $60 for the five-year permit.

"I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem."

He said it's not uncommon for students to walk into his classroom and pull a new gun out of a box with no idea how to hold it and no understanding of the laws surrounding it.

"If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

This new law is the latest of several that have passed over the past year since Brewer took over the office from former Gov. Janet Napolitano, a Democrat.

Napolitano vetoed at least a dozen weapons bills that crossed her desk during her seven years in office, all of which would have loosened gun restrictions. In 2005, Napolitano rejected a bill that would have allowed patrons to carry loaded guns into bars and restaurants. In 2008, she also vetoed a bill that would have allowed people to have a hidden gun in vehicles without a concealed-carry permit.

In January 2009, Napolitano resigned to become U.S. Homeland Security secretary and Republican Secretary of State Brewer became governor.

During her first year in office, Brewer signed a bill allowing loaded guns in bars and restaurants, as well as another that prohibits property owners from banning guns from parking areas, so long as the weapons are kept locked in vehicles.

CareyH
04-20-2010, 11:33
they need it down there.

Backinblackrifles
04-20-2010, 11:42
They need it everywhere.

BigBear
04-20-2010, 11:45
"Arizona had 154,279 active permits as of April 4. Permit holders are spread across all ages, races and counties, but White males older than 30 in Maricopa and Pima counties hold the majority"

How is that relevant to the discussion?

"For those who do choose to get a permit, the education requirements do change under the new law. Classes are no longer required to be a set number of hours or include any hands-on use of the weapon."

Great, here comes the masses that don't know what they are doing! I strongly suggest even the most seasoned to take a class here and there... and if you're a newbie, hopefully they'd be smart enough to ask questions...hence:

"I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem....If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

Amen.

My thoughts: Arizona definitely needs this legislation and they need to include the Castle Doctrine as well. Illegal and even domestic gang/drug/etc problems are WAY out of control all through Texas, NM, SoCal, and AZ and I think looser gun laws and "good shoot" laws will hopefully steer the potential "bad guy" to think twice about his/her actions.

Jumpstart
04-20-2010, 11:53
Very good news for equality. Someone understands what "shall not be infringed" means. I hope legislation like this spreads like wildfire.

iamhunter
04-20-2010, 11:57
"I fully agree that we have a right to keep and bear arms," Furbee said. "But if you are not responsible enough to take a class and learn the laws, you are worse than part of the problem....If you are going to carry a concealed weapon, you should have some kind of training and show that you are at least competent to know how the gun works and be able to hit a target," he said. "You owe the people around you a measure of responsibility."

Amen.

My thoughts: Arizona definitely needs this legislation and they need to include the Castle Doctrine as well. Illegal and even domestic gang/drug/etc problems are WAY out of control all through Texas, NM, SoCal, and AZ and I think looser gun laws and "good shoot" laws will hopefully steer the potential "bad guy" to think twice about his/her actions.

Just be careful you don't get in the mindset of trying to legislate people into being responsible.

While taking a class and getting training is the responsible thing to do,

that doesn't mean we should pass laws FORCING people to do that.

BigBear
04-20-2010, 12:01
Just be careful you don't get in the mindset of trying to legislate people into being responsible.

While taking a class and getting training is the responsible thing to do,
that doesn't mean we should pass laws FORCING people to do that.


Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.

iamhunter
04-20-2010, 12:07
Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.


And I wholeheartedly agree.

Irving
04-20-2010, 12:08
They'll just have to find out the hard way that you can't wave your pistol around when someone makes you mad.

I personally thought the comment about the wife beater having a gun was pretty hilarious.

MichiganMilitia
04-20-2010, 13:30
Rgr that, 100% agree. I was trying to say I hope people are smart enough (on their own) to seek guidance.

+1000

TriggerHappy
04-20-2010, 21:12
+1 Good to see another state following in Alaska's footsteps.

sniper7
04-20-2010, 21:55
being able to defend yourself whether concealed or not should not bear any cost (i.e. a permit). wish they would enact this across the county.

Jer
04-21-2010, 09:31
I wish it didn't have the restaurant/bar clause but it's still a big step in the right direction. Hopefully more states follow suit.

glock21
04-21-2010, 16:02
Does anyone know if its just for az residents. I'm gona go visit in a few months and I just applied for my ccw in Colo

iamhunter
04-22-2010, 08:32
I haven't read the law yet, but I would assume like Open Carry laws it applies to non-residents as well.

glock21
04-22-2010, 13:02
That's gona be nice, I don't like to go to new places with out protection

iamhunter
04-22-2010, 14:30
As long as you avoid downtown phoenix, you'll be fine. I spent a few months there with some family.

glock21
04-22-2010, 15:18
i think thats where im going, whats wrong with downtown

iamhunter
04-22-2010, 15:42
the residential areas of downtown phoenix are supposed to have some pretty big latino gang/drug problems.

Just be aware and I'm sure you'll still be fine.

glock21
04-22-2010, 18:58
im mexican so maybe that will be a prob i look like a thug hahahaha,

iamhunter
04-22-2010, 22:45
haha, or you might just blend in and be left alone.

A blue-eyed whitey like me would stick out like a sore thumb.