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The enlightend progressives are calling for a boycott of Arizona Ice Tea.. Just on the basis of the new law in Arizona.
Should we tell them that it's brewed in NEW YORK CITY?
[LOL]
cowboykjohnson
04-28-2010, 13:02
[Tooth]
ChunkyMonkey
04-28-2010, 13:04
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/28/2010-04-28_ariz_law_leads_to_misfired_ire.html
[ROFL2][ROFL3]
StagLefty
04-28-2010, 13:07
Naw-it's more fun this way [ROFL1]
Lets ban kool aid nexy its not kool to have aids
I've decided I'm going to AZ this year just to "blow some cash" [+ tourist revenue] honoring the good people of the state and to show my support.
May be a nit in the grand scheme of things but...I had no plans to visit this year. Now that this lame, leftist piss-fest boycott tactic popped-up, I'm going...maybe twice. Bottom-line, my actions will personally "cancel" the effect of at least one of those cock-suckers that are electing not to spend.
I suggest Republicans and Independants boycott the following because they harbor socialists, marxists, communists and are recognized Democratic strong-holds guilty of propagating the decay of this once great Union: NYC, Bay Area, Seattle, Chi-town, Bean town, LA, Philly, DC and any secondary city that leans blue...fuck em'.* And...for good measure...don't forget all of Kenya.
* Excluding required business travel. That said; great cities with many great people & offerings but...my discretionary income will not go to those localities as a result of their policy's.
iamhunter
04-28-2010, 14:48
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
awesome right?
I doesn't really give them that power. If leo's want to abuse people's rights, they can do that already, with or without the presence of this law.
hey there Stuart what did kool aid ever do to you! lol take a guess where it was invented and note its where i am In NE! yes it was invented in NE of all places![Muaha]
Hey I was just quoting some random commenter after the article.
right now there's a frontpage on cnn.com complaining that businesses that cater phoenix's large hispanic community have already seen a downturn in business.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/arizona.immigration/index.html?hpt=C1
well boo fucking hoo hoo
MAYBE the house of cards built by illegals is falling?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100428/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1831
First comment = lol
Makes since you need to be able to read signs if you are driving.
I heard about this on NPR. They pointed out that if you include sign language, there are actually 14 languages you can test in. However, since you don't PRINT those tests, it is a moot point.
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
awesome right?
I read it, says "reasonable Suspicion" a whole bunch.. I tend to agree with Stu, if the P.O. is going to abuse his power, He's going to do it with or without this anyway.
Short semi pertinant story, years ago, I worked in a resturant cleaning up overnight. For the most part, I'd get out between 4 and 5 in the morning.
Due to circumstances at the time, I was hoofing it. In that time, I got "stopped" by the police about 3 times. Showed ID, told 'em where I was headed and that was that.. Except one cold night, When the cop actually gave me a ride home..
Did I think they were "abusing" their power? No, I figured they were actually doing their job. I was 19-20 y/o at the time so, yeah, in some circles that could be considered "suspicious"
I think it is probably a notable difference that they only stopped you, and didn't actually take you to jail until you could prove that you hadn't committed some specific crime.
As stated, The abusive ones will be abusive.. The average cop will just check the ID, if it's good to go, they'll be on their way. If not..
If I am completly missing something here, let me know..
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 16:19
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
awesome right?
I'm really having a hard time believing there are people on this board that are falling for the leftist propaganda regarding this law.
This law [B]DOES NOT give law enforcement officers the power to "ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason".
The officer will still need to have reasonable suspicion or probable cause to make a contact and query the person stopped regarding their citizenship. The only thing it changes is to make being in the state illegally a state crime now subject to state enforcement and state punishment.
It's not shades of Nazi-ism. Or the old Soviet Union. Or any of the other leftist bullshit like police can "ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason".
For fuck's sake...
Not only does it not give police officers more power, it does something people on both sides of the aisle have been harping on for years: it punishes businesses and employers who knowingly hire/employ illegals.
Arizona SB1070 starts this way (emphasis mine):
FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
It also requires immigrants to carry proof they are in this country legally...JUST LIKE FEDERAL LAW ALREADY REQUIRES! HELLO, McFly!!!
It also provides for punishment of officers if they act in bad faith. Such as walking up to a person and asking "for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason."
Instead of pissing and moaning about what you "think" this law says, why not try to actually read it:
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/16/AzSB1070.pdf
This law is the best thing to happen regarding illegal immigration that I can remember in my lifetime. Sorry for the rant...but when this kind of leftist propaganda is perpetuated by people who should know better it really pisses me off.
Awesome, right?
"...For fuck's sake...
LOL - Don't stress over it my man, sanity [and reality] prevails with many of us.
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 16:32
I keep the blood pressure medication companies in business.
[Rant1]
ronaldrwl
04-28-2010, 16:39
+1 Bailey Guns
I don't see the issue at all – zero. The law says you can now enforce the law that's already on the books and says it's illegal to be an illegal alien in AZ. Good.
Most Americans are sick of importing dependents that vote for more and more freebees
[ROFL1]
let them boycott it! idiots!
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
+1.
Oh, it's only if they have reasonable suspicion. So if you're brown, prepare to hear, "Show me your papers, comrade!"
As far as I know, this is the first legislation in the US that means if you don't have your paperwork on your right then and there, then you get a ride in this car:
[PoPo]
No doubt about it, I'm buying stock in tin foil..
As stated, The abusive ones will be abusive.. The average cop will just check the ID, if it's good to go, they'll be on their way. If not..
If I am completly missing something here, let me know..
completely agree. if some cop wants to be a douche bag and give you a ticket for doing 2mph over the speed limit, that is the law, you broke it.
the law is already federal, applying it at the state level to give officers a bit more security against frivolous lawsuits seems fair and just to me.
a lot of these people work to look suspicious. people know when they are drawing attention to themselves, be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime.
StagLefty
04-28-2010, 16:50
Too many people miss who this law is aimed at- ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. [Bang]
+1.
Oh, it's only if they have reasonable suspicion. So if you're brown, prepare to hear, "Show me your papers, comrade!"
As far as I know, this is the first legislation in the US that means if you don't have your paperwork on your right then and there, then you get a ride in this car:
[PoPo]
you do realize the new AZ state law is a copy of the existing federal immigration law, right?
the illegals and those that support them are playing on freedom vs. fascism to further their cause. and there will always be people who buy into the bullshit (like those that are boycotting arizona iced tea)
the fact that streets in AZ are now deserted and businesses that cater to illegals are suffering prove that this is a good law that's going to work.
need to have reasonable suspicion
The oil-change sticker on your windshield is in violation of Windshield Obstruction laws. The taillight was out. Failed to indicate your turn. Any LEO who wants to pull someone over can find a reason for it.
It will be interesting to see if there is any financial impact on Arizona. I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.
Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.
If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced. I don't know many people who do construction or service industry work.
H.
+1.
Oh, it's only if they have reasonable suspicion. So if you're brown, prepare to hear, "Show me your papers, comrade!"
As far as I know, this is the first legislation in the US that means if you don't have your paperwork on your right then and there, then you get a ride in this car:
[PoPo]
what about driving without a license?
carrying a concealed weapon without a permit?
getting caught buying alcohol while underage?
again, it all comes down to drawing attention to ones self.
with close to half of the police force down there of Hispanic descent, and probably close to that bi-lingual, most of those guys can tell who belongs and who doesn't and are probably pretty good at figuring out if they are supposed to be there or not.
If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced. I don't know many people who do construction or service industry work.
H.
Those systems are designed to help those in need and they definitely need an overhaul, but reducing the monstrous number of illegals who take advantage of that system will help it along in the right direction.
I am not in either of those fields, but I do drive a car, which I have to pay extra insurance for, I do pay extra fees so they can drive on the same roads I do, I do have to wait in line for them at the DMV, I do have to wait for them while in line at the bank, particularly wells fargo, I have to wait for them in line at wal-mart, sometimes drive through the neighborhoods they have turned to shit, read about the rapes and murders they have committed, pay higher prices on goods due to theft...the list goes on and on. a large portion come here to rape and pillage and take advantage of the things we pay for, some of it we see directly, a lot of it indirectly.
I'm in construction,, Just sayin'. Not sure if I get the implication..
a lot of these people work to look suspicious. people know when they are drawing attention to themselves, be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime.
I can't believe how openly racist you are. Do you have to go back and edit every time you write "spic" and change it to "illegal," or do you catch it the first time around?
News flash. Not being white isn't illegal. Thank God you're not a cop.
EDIT: Further, nothing you keep ranting about has anything to do with being legal or not.
I'd like to see you back up even ONE of your other claims of every illegal being a rapist, and how anyone that looks Mexican standing in a line in front of you is illegal. Your attitude needs a serious over haul.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-28-2010, 17:18
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
awesome right?
You mean like when you rent a vehicle, rent a movie, buy a house or vehicle, travel using air or boat? [BooHoo]
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 17:26
I think I'll wear my Phoenix Suns tomorrow.
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 17:30
you do realize the new AZ state law is a copy of the existing federal immigration law, right?
Obviously, many people here don't realize that.
It's much easier to be outraged and uninformed, or to parrot mass-media hysteria, than it is to educate oneself.
Obviously, many people here don't realize that.
It's much easier to be outraged and uninformed, or to parrot mass-media hysteria, than it is to educate oneself.
Took me three minutes to look the bill up and figure that out. And, if a dumbazz construction guy can do it..[Abused]
I didn't read anything in to it...
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 17:41
"It will be interesting to see if there is any financial impact on Arizona. I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.
Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.
If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced. I don't know many people who do construction or service industry work.
H.
1.Immigration from over 3000 miles of open ocean over a century ago, that took 3 months, and invasion on our southern border in the 21st century are two entirely different animals.
2.How in the world do you compute that "immigrants" make you affluent? That is totally ridiculous, unless you are totally taking advantage of them at a daily level as their boss. They are costing states BILLIONS.
3. Why don't you know many people who do work in construction or service industry? Because they are brown and you are in your ivory tower in a gated community waxing prophetic? Anyway, the original justification was, "they are only here to pick lettuce". Well guess what, now they are driving down wages in sectors traditonally filled by poor Americans, college and high school students. Don't you feel a an obligation to these Americans?
4. So what do you do for a living? Sounds like you need to feel the pressure.
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 17:42
I can't believe how openly racist you are. Do you have to go back and edit every time you write "spic" and change it to "illegal," or do you catch it the first time around?
News flash. Not being white isn't illegal. Thank God you're not a cop.
EDIT: Further, nothing you keep ranting about has anything to do with being legal or not.
I'd like to see you back up even ONE of your other claims of every illegal being a rapist, and how anyone that looks Mexican standing in a line in front of you is illegal. Your attitude needs a serious over haul.
That's bullshit. Unless I missed something, his opinion and observations are spot on. Maybe you are the one out of line?
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 17:52
Rasmussen reports 70% of likely voters in AZ approve of the new law. Only 23% of likely voters in Arizona agree with Barack Obama and oppose the bill.
Gov Brewer's approval rating is 16 points higher than it was two weeks ago.
Please explain how any of the following negatively effects society:
be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime.
Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.
This stuff only draws attention from racists. Half the shit he mentioned (like small wheels, dressing a certain way, and Nike Swooshes) aren't even specifically a Mexican thing. Should we kick all the black people out of the country while we're at it Sniper? Just because you don't like the way they dress or their music? Is a different culture threatening to shatter your sheltered little world? I'm surprised you even tinted the windows on your truck, lest you look like some beaner.
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 18:07
I can't believe you're actually writing some of those things.
Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.
How many times has some kid been killed because he was wearing the wrong colors or the wrong team jacket in the wrong part of town? Plenty. That's total horseshit to say looking or dressing a certain way can't have negative consequences.
This stuff only draws attention from racists.
What the fuck ever! You're the one talking shit here.
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 18:20
Please explain how any of the following negatively effects society:
Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.
This stuff only draws attention from racists. Half the shit he mentioned (like small wheels, dressing a certain way, and Nike Swooshes) aren't even specifically a Mexican thing. Should we kick all the black people out of the country while we're at it Sniper? Just because you don't like the way they dress or their music? Is a different culture threatening to shatter your sheltered little world? I'm surprised you even tinted the windows on your truck, lest you look like some beaner.
Amazing how a little Latina strange will mess with your commons sense.
I can't believe you're actually writing some of those things.
How many times has some kid been killed because he was wearing the wrong colors or the wrong team jacket in the wrong part of town? Plenty. That's total horseshit to say looking or dressing a certain way can't have negative consequences.
What the fuck ever! You're the one talking shit here.
Is this a conversation about gangs or a conversation about illegals? Let's try to stay focused or else this thread is going to boil over with more racism than it already has.
I'll call any one of you out for being a racist, just like I did Sniper.
Thinking that small wire wheels = illegal Mexican = [Bang]
This thread isn't even about illegals anymore, it's about hating Mexicans.
"It's about time Arizona did something about those illegals, I've always hated low riders." Give me a break.
I like how most of you seem to have forgotten that I fully support this bill as well. What I DON'T support is open racism and abuse of citizens by law enforcement (as I've posted on the other thread).
Or maybe I'm full of shit and none of the legal immigrants in this country go to Wal-mart or the DMV. Maybe after they get their legal status they all die their skin white, grow 5", and trade in their Shakira CD's for Alan Jackson. That must be it.
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 19:12
I'll call any one of you out for being a racist, just like I did Sniper.
Maybe after they get their legal status they all die their skin white, grow 5", and trade in their Shakira CD's for Alan Jackson. That must be it.
Wow. That was quite a "racist" comment dude. I guess we should add you to the "racists" then?
Bailey Guns
04-28-2010, 19:16
Fine. Then stay focused on the law. Not one person here can give a rational reason why this law is "bad". All I've seen is irrational, emotionally charged rhetoric coming from those that are against the law.
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 19:20
Fine. Then stay focused on the law. Not one person here can give a rational reason why this law is "bad". All I've seen is irrational, emotionally charged rhetoric coming from those that are against the law.
A law mind you, that mirrors a federal law. Seventy years of it.
ChunkyMonkey
04-28-2010, 19:27
Calm down Stu... [Tooth] If a LEO was being a racist to anyone anywhere anytime in or outside AZ, blame it on that LEO - not the Law. I dont see racism within the bill itself. Aside from how will they enforce the law, I cannot say this bill will encourage racism etc. The law simply says Illegals are illegals.
My 2 cents!
Hey vato's I better puts me low rider in the chop and hang low for a wile.....
Da law is da law,, 70 years or now it's da law...
Jumpstart
04-28-2010, 19:38
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#).
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
•Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
•Immigration officials (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
•Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
•The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
•Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#). (Article 73)
•A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
•A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
•Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
•Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
•Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
•Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
•Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
•"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
•Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
•Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
•A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
•Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
Wow, what a long travel this thread has taken from this morning. Arguing that a law like this will be abused at some time is like saying the sky will be blue sometime, of course it's gonna happen so stop repeating it
Troublco
04-28-2010, 20:55
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#).
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
•Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
•Immigration officials (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
•Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
•The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
•Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#). (Article 73)
•A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
•A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
•Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
•Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
•Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
•Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
•Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
•"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
•Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
•Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
•A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
•Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
But they have a problem when we don't want their folks streaming uncontrolled across our borders. Hm. Maybe we should IGNORE the Mexican Government's crap along with Maobama and his camp's and do what we need to!
Wow, what a long travel this thread has taken from this morning. Arguing that a law like this will be abused at some time is like saying the sky will be blue sometime, of course it's gonna happen so stop repeating it
Yep,, wasn't quite expecting this..[ROFL1] Of course I didn't go to college though..
I can't believe how openly racist you are. Do you have to go back and edit every time you write "spic" and change it to "illegal," or do you catch it the first time around?
News flash. Not being white isn't illegal. Thank God you're not a cop.
EDIT: Further, nothing you keep ranting about has anything to do with being legal or not.
I'd like to see you back up even ONE of your other claims of every illegal being a rapist, and how anyone that looks Mexican standing in a line in front of you is illegal. Your attitude needs a serious over haul.
not even close stu. beyond close.
I won't even bother responding to this one, it can slide...
TriggerHappy
04-28-2010, 23:08
Sorry if this was already said, but what it comes down to is, only the guilty should be fighting this. Those of us who are citizens or have a legal work visa/greencard should have nothing to worry about. If I were stopped and questioned (mid 20's, white, male), I would be happy to see that something was being done to fix some of our immigration issues. Its just another way of security screening. my .02
Please explain how any of the following negatively effects society:
"Quote:
be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime. "
Even looking like you're in a gang doesn't matter if you AREN'T in a gang. Plus, looks are subjective. I doubt white bread Sniper knows shit about gangs or has any experience with them.
This stuff only draws attention from racists. Half the shit he mentioned (like small wheels, dressing a certain way, and Nike Swooshes) aren't even specifically a Mexican thing. Should we kick all the black people out of the country while we're at it Sniper? Just because you don't like the way they dress or their music? Is a different culture threatening to shatter your sheltered little world? I'm surprised you even tinted the windows on your truck, lest you look like some beaner.
first off the correct word is affects, not effects.
I didn't say anything about affecting society. they can do as they please and who am I to stop them. I was making the point, and a valid one that their actions within the American society will draw attention to them. Just like the emo or goth kids at the schools I sub at. Some of them are the greatest kids in the world but their looks and actions bring a lot of attention to them, most people look at a goth kid and instantly think Columbine...
I am not saying it is right, but when they draw that attention to themselves, cops are going to have different individual perspectives and each one may handle it differently. When I am behind a pickup truck with golf cart tires and a big Chihuahua sticker (not the dog), I am led to believe more than likely they are from Mexico...call that racist if you like, I call it being observant.
You seems to always like to think you truly KNOW something about people. you honestly don't know jack shit about me. I have been around gangs, I went to school with gang members, I indirectly work with gang members as well in atlanta. I have been propositioned 3 different times at hotels while in atlanta by pimps offering their services.
I also work with a ton of black people, some of them are absolutely awesome, others I just tolerate. same with white people, mexicans, the indians I talk with when I call dell etc. etc. just like everyone else.
I never said I didn't like the way they dressed or how they looked. I don't like golf cart tires on a truck because it ruins the point of a truck, but that is my opinion which I am entitled to have.
maybe you are living in the sheltered world...maybe it is you who is racist?
until you actually know something about ME, I wouldn't throw personal insults my way because you obviously know jack shit about me. you haven't even met me, why don't you go talk with the 50+ guys on here I have met and dealt with, then when you get their perspective of me you can come back and kiss my ass.
Is this a conversation about gangs or a conversation about illegals? Let's try to stay focused or else this thread is going to boil over with more racism than it already has.
I'll call any one of you out for being a racist, just like I did Sniper.
Thinking that small wire wheels = illegal Mexican = [Bang]
This thread isn't even about illegals anymore, it's about hating Mexicans.
"It's about time Arizona did something about those illegals, I've always hated low riders." Give me a break.
I like how most of you seem to have forgotten that I fully support this bill as well. What I DON'T support is open racism and abuse of citizens by law enforcement (as I've posted on the other thread).
Or maybe I'm full of shit and none of the legal immigrants in this country go to Wal-mart or the DMV. Maybe after they get their legal status they all die their skin white, grow 5", and trade in their Shakira CD's for Alan Jackson. That must be it.
its dye, not die....
you have totally lost it....maybe you have been hitting the bottle or maybe it is something more. I don't care if you support the bill or not. spouting bullshit like this is uncalled for, calling people racist over the internet is childish at best.
as to small wire wheels = illegal mexican, I would put cold hard cash that those small wire wheels = 90%+ hispanic drivers. as to the illegal factor, I couldn't tell you that because you can't tell who is legal and who isn't...which is the entire point of THE FUCKING LAW that just passed in AZ. now the cops, if they have reasonable suspicion that anyone is breaking the law, they can actually check the person. no racial profiling will be tolerated...it is in the bill. maybe you should take a break and actually read it instead of spouting your mouth off and causing yourself more trouble.
If I were you I would be taking a chill pill for the evening, you can write me out an apology thread tomorrow.
theGinsue
04-28-2010, 23:38
right now there's a frontpage on cnn.com complaining that businesses that cater phoenix's large hispanic community have already seen a downturn in business.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/arizona.immigration/index.html?hpt=C1
well boo fucking hoo hoo
Oh, yeah!
MAYBE the house of cards built by illegals is falling?
About freakin time.
Too many people miss who this law is aimed at- ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. [Bang]
This fact was NOT wasted on me. This is why I don't have a problem with it at all and actually endorse this law.
If the legal Latino community is so worried about getting harassed for "being brown", perhaps they should have been considerably more proactive to control the flow of illegals into the nation when they had a chance instead of encouraging it by their excessive pro-Latina, fly their Mexican flag attitudes. What are these folks protesting? Is it that they really hoped that the U.S. and all of the states would just throw open the borders and lay down as we were over-run by Mexican nationals? They are upset because AZ wants to ENFORCE the law? So, by this mentality, should they be robbed beaten and raped at gunpoint, they just want the police to look the other way. Or maybe, just look the other way if it is a Mexican national committing the crime?
Pah-leeaze!
It is absolutely amazing to me that you some of you guys think I'm talking about the law that just passed. I've got no problem with the law. I have a problem with people being racist.
Sniper, when I get cornered when I'm wrong, I try to change the subject by pointing out things irrelevant to the subject too. This thread is chalk full of racism. You don't hate Mexican's because you work with black people and got propositioned by a pimp?
What should I get a free pass for because I once volunteered to Habitat for Humanity and get 5 different phone solicitor calls every day?
If the legal Latino community is so worried about getting harassed for "being brown", perhaps they should have been considerably more proactive to control the flow of illegals into the nation when they had a chance instead of encouraging it by their excessive pro-Latina, fly their Mexican flag attitudes.
I'll remember how it is entirely my fault the next time Westboro Baptist Church protests at a funeral because I'm white and I should have stopped them.
Hey guys, I also want to apologize for this guy. I never meant to let him throw his baby out the window of his car. I'm white, I should have known better.
http://www.kcba.com/Global/story.asp?S=12337961
Aloha_Shooter
04-28-2010, 23:43
I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.
LEGAL immigrants increase affluence. You are pushing the same BS the liberal media is in equating ILLEGAL aliens with legal immigrants. It's not the same thing.
Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.
My great grandparents all came here legally. They complied with immigration laws as they existed at the time.
If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced.
Strawman arguments. The problem most people have isn't with immigrants, it's with ILLEGAL aliens who have already violated the laws and are being used as pawns here to subvert the political system.
theGinsue
04-28-2010, 23:56
The oil-change sticker on your windshield is in violation of Windshield Obstruction laws. The taillight was out. Failed to indicate your turn. Any LEO who wants to pull someone over can find a reason for it.
It will be interesting to see if there is any financial impact on Arizona. I have maintained that immigrants increase affluence.
Or, we could solve illegal immigration tomorrow, and give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years. But now that everyone is here and feeling all entitled, they forget that their great grandparents or great-great grandparents came over here and made a go of it.
If your problem with immigrants is abusing the welfare system, then fix the welfare system. If you think keeping immigrants out of the country is going to help your career prospects, then you must work in the one or two fields that can't be outsourced. I don't know many people who do construction or service industry work.
H.
I have no problem with the LEGAL immigration system as it is written. There is a system in place to become a legal immigrant or even a U.S. citizen. No, not everyone is going to get selected for this opportunity. Not EVERYONE who applies can immigrate - for a variety of reasons - including having a quota. Hey, I wanna win the danged Powerball lottery, but not everyone can win, only 2 numbers get picked each week. If my number isn't one of them - guess what? I don't get to win. Lifes tough. If things are so bad in Mexico, CHANGE IT, don't come here and bring us down too.
Perhaps some "immigrants increase affluence", but a deluge (and let's face it - that's what we have with the U.S.-Mexican border!) will only bring us down.
"give the US a chance in competing in the global market in 20 years"?
How about we
Step 1- kick out all of the illegals so we don't have to waste taxpayer dollars on them. We reform welfare so we can quit wasting money on societies lazy lying moochers. We use the newly freed up money to actually invest in our education system for OUR CITIZENS.
Step 2 - We bring back jobs to the U.S. by
(a) controlling the devastating effects of unions and
(b) decrease the personal and corporate tax rates (especially the rates we charge to businesses to do business.
(c) reduce government and get it's nose out of everything - especially reconsider most of the government regulation in place, more often than not, it's hurting us.
theGinsue
04-28-2010, 23:57
I'm in construction,, Just sayin'. Not sure if I get the implication..
You got a green card there Paco?
It is absolutely amazing to me that you some of you guys think I'm talking about the law that just passed. I've got no problem with the law. I have a problem with people being racist.
Sniper, when I get cornered when I'm wrong, I try to change the subject by pointing out things irrelevant to the subject too. This thread is chalk full of racism. You don't hate Mexican's because you work with black people and got propositioned by a pimp?
you can have a problem with people being racist all you want. By me pointing out things that I see daily while at home and to say that those actions draw attention to those people does not constitute you being able to call me a racist. again, you don't know me, you have never met me, all you have done is read what I post on the internet.
as to my alluding to who I work with, that was to counter you saying I am a racist against blacks, Mexicans and everyone else who isn't white. please enlighten me to when the next Klan meeting is....again, you don't know me so stop spouting off like you think you do.
you are the one who brought race into the thread. I pointed out what would be a cause for an individual to get attention drawn to them that a police officer might suspect as that person possibly being illegal. I never said I hated the people who brought that attention to themselves. the only thing I said I hated was the golf cart wheels on trucks because I think it looks ridiculous and diminishes the value of having a truck.
so call it how you see it but at the end of the day you are the one in this thread who is looking and acting like a fool. I call it how I see it, you call it how you see it. I am guessing most people are going to see it my way.
If things are so bad in Mexico, CHANGE IT, don't come here and bring us down too.
precisely. and as far as I know everyone on here is pissed about the Californians coming to our state and turning it into a more liberal state because they can't understand they left cali for a reason and cali is failing for a reason.
everyone should be in agreement that since mexico sucks so bad, creating little mexicos across the country is going to suck all the same.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 00:04
Rasmussen reports 70% of likely voters in AZ approve of the new law. Only 23% of likely voters in Arizona agree with Barack Obama and oppose the bill.
Gov Brewer's approval rating is 16 points higher than it was two weeks ago.
Yeah, well, ACORN hasn't done their magic yet. When all is said and done, we'll see 15% more AZ voters than there are residents in the state - all voting against the law. And the powers that be still won't seem to notice the voter fraud.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 00:15
We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#).
Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
•Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
•Immigration officials (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
•Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
•The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
•Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#). (Article 73)
•A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
•A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
•Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
•Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
•Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
•Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
•Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration (http://co-ar15.com/forums/#) is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
•"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
•Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
•Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
•A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
•Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
The hypocrisy is that Mexico is FREAKING OUT about AZ's new law and saying it's racist, excessive, and inappropriate. Their laws are exponentially more restrictive and anti-immigration that ours are.
The hypocrisy is that Mexico is FREAKING OUT about AZ's new law and saying it's racist, excessive, and inappropriate. Their laws are exponentially more restrictive and anti-immigration that ours are.
same with gun laws
I refuse to succumb to any "white guilt" and at the same time, I don't demand anyone else to have guilt for people of the same color as they are. I wasn't aware that being an ambassador to the undesirables in the country you ran from was part of citizenship.
I refuse to succumb to any "white guilt" and at the same time, I don't demand anyone else to have guilt for people of the same color as they are. I wasn't aware that being an ambassador to the undesirables in the country you ran from was part of citizenship.
I still don't see my apology thread posted yet...
I'd also like to make the point that I feel that for the most part our immigration laws are fine just the way that they are. You have to prove that you are able to sustain yourself for a reason. Despite that sign we have that says we'll take your poor, hungry, and tired (or whatever it says), that doesn't mean that we will accept your criminal, lazy, or any other burden you might be running from.
I still don't see my apology thread posted yet...
You never will either. I'll never apologize for you hiding your racism behind the passing of this law.
Law passes to deport illegals, then you start up with, "Well if those Mexicans wouldn't drive around on tiny wheels, wearing clothes I don't like, and decorating their cars in ways I don't appreciate, and all those other things I don't like about Mexicans...then maybe they wouldn't be picked up by cops. Yeah that's it."
There I filled in the blanks of what you really meant, put it in quotes like you really said it, and you won't see an apology for that either.
You hate Mexicans. I don't see you complaining about any of the Chinese or Russian illegal immigrants.
I'd also like to make the point that I feel that for the most part our immigration laws are fine just the way that they are. You have to prove that you are able to sustain yourself for a reason. Despite that sign we have that says we'll take your poor, hungry, and tired (or whatever it says), that doesn't mean that we will accept your criminal, lazy, or any other burden you might be running from.
you obviously have no understanding...
the police in AZ have said they can't even keep up with the amount of crime due largely in part to the illegals coming across the border.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 00:32
I'll remember how it is entirely my fault the next time Westboro Baptist Church protests at a funeral because I'm white and I should have stopped them.
Hey guys, I also want to apologize for this guy. I never meant to let him throw his baby out the window of his car. I'm white, I should have known better.
http://www.kcba.com/Global/story.asp?S=12337961
I don't assign responsibility to others for the singular actions of random individuals. When it becomes groups of people doing things, that's when the failure to take action (or at least voice dissent) makes you part of the problem.
Westboro Baptist Church IS a group thing. Do you volunteer to support groups like Partiots Riders who anti-protest and work to block the negative effects of th WBC crews? Hey, I don't ride any more since I had a motorcycle wreck in 2000, but I still show up when I can to counter the Westboro Baptist Church protests. THAT is making a difference for the big things. THAt is taking action to correct the wrongs of others. It is the responsible, moral thing to do.
Your last example is a "one off" example - based on uncommon acts of individuals versus the mass exodus of Mexican nationals which is anything but a "one off" situation. A report that was announced this A.M. is that 10% of Mexico's citizens are here in the U.S. - 10%. Thats pretty far from a "one off" situation like you threw out there. Let's at least be realistic.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 00:35
You hate Mexicans. I don't see you complaining about any of the Chinese or Russian illegal immigrants.
I know I've commented (complained) about them as well. Canadians too. Illegal is illegal. But, the sheer scale of the illegals from Mexico far outweighs the numbers represented by every other groups out there.
You never will either. I'll never apologize for you hiding your racism behind the passing of this law.
Law passes to deport illegals, then you start up with, "Well if those Mexicans wouldn't drive around on tiny wheels, wearing clothes I don't like, and decorating their cars in ways I don't appreciate, and all those other things I don't like about Mexicans...then maybe they wouldn't be picked up by cops. Yeah that's it."
There I filled in the blanks of what you really meant, put it in quotes like you really said it, and you won't see an apology for that either.
You hate Mexicans. I don't see you complaining about any of the Chinese or Russian illegal immigrants.
you are clueless...
again you don't know me. please stop pretending you do.
maybe you should look at the numbers of illegal Russians and illegal Chinese we have here. the numbers are beyond minuscule compared to Mexicans. probably beyond the 1000:1 ratio.
maybe you are becoming a liberal sympathizer. I think you are starting to fall for illegal immigrants are upset at your recent job search to find they are better off than you are while on illegal status in the country, reaping the benefits without paying into the programs. yep, that is definitely it, you are turning into a Jake. I know this because I have read your posts. everyone can see it now, you are starting to come out of your liberal shell. next thing I know you will be moving to boulder driving a Prius with an obama sticker on the back and riding your bicycle up and down 285 with a tight yellow shirt on that you just bought at REI.
I feel sorry for you now that I know you are a liberal stu.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 00:38
I wasn't aware that being an ambassador to the undesirables in the country you ran from was part of citizenship.
I'd say that this is something they voluntarily stepped up to accept when they protest against anything that goes against the illegals. Zgotta take the good with the bad.
Come to the Dark Side, Stuart. I have ammo :D
I paid for it with the welfare check that I got from sniper's taxes!
a lot of these people work to look suspicious. people know when they are drawing attention to themselves, be it by looking like a thug, or wearing gang related clothing, walking like they have a stick up their ass in a half limp look to "be cool", putting golf cart tires on a perfectly good truck, having a huge nike swoosh sign on the back of their car window with their name is spanish with their car painted the color of the mexican flag. that draws attention. after that all the cop needs is suspicion of them committing a crime.
Here is what you said that I thought sounded racist.
The passing of this law shouldn't be an excuse for you to go on a rant about what you hate about Mexicans. Nothing in this paragraph has anything to do with legal status. Therefor, it indicates to me that you just don't like Mexicans.
That is as close as you'll get to an apology from me. I can't stress enough that just because I think that you made a racist comment, that it doesn't change how I feel about this situation.
Illegals who get caught slipping are going to get deported. They'll just have to accept the consequences of being here illegally. If they want to try and come back through the legal channels, then good luck to them.
Personally, I think that violent criminals should be dealt with as criminals first, and illegals second. If you are a murderer and get caught, we don't need you around, and your home country probably doesn't want you either. There is really only one way to get you out of both countries' hair.
Thanks for the offer Jake, but I guess I'll just have to stand alone on this one.
gird your thinking gland, this is a long post.
there's a long running fact that a black man can't get a cab in NYC.
why do you thing think that is?
maybe all the cabbies in new york had a big convention in atlantic city thirty years ago and just decide "wow, we really hate those black folks. let's all agree to never pick them up. that'll fix their wagon."
or, could it be that for decades in new york a cabbie that picked up a black man was rolling the dice on whether or not he was going to at best get robbed, at worst get killed. so, instead of rolling the dice they decided that picking up black men was a game that, like global thermonuclear war, the only winning move was not to play.
sure, racial profiling sucks. but everyone does it and it tends to work. why? because all stereotypes, however offensive, are based in truth. this is also why stu got bent out of shape, because stereotypically latino car modifications were listed and he doesn't like the idea that someone might become a target for police strictly based on what is car look like. and you know, I tend to agree with him. nor do I want a country where the police can stop you any time and ask "papers please"
but the thing that sickens me about this whole situation is everybody knows the score. we all know what the problem is and who's causing it. the people that are protesting this law so "peacefully" are pointing at the polka dots and calling them stripes, and smacking anybody who disagrees with them in the face with the race card. stu might have a point if there were half a million polish or somali immigrants all over the southwest as well. but there aren't.
now, I know a lot about illegal immigration. as I have mentioned before, I spent two years in L.A. as a missionary, working exclusively con la gente latina. I speak their language. Many of the people I met were beautiful. Hard working, humble, smart. Trying to make a better life for themselves, and a future for their children. and not just mexicans. people from all over the hemisphere who have fled revolution and violence in their homes. I've written letters on behalf of friends to help them get green cards. I tell you the immigration system in this country is broken. it has become bloated and inoperative, like so many other parts of the big blue federal machine. (that right there is a whole other thread, another part of what's fucked up about our nation and needs to be fixed) but I digress...
I can tell you that along with the hard working that want to be americans there is a large portion of illegal immigrants in this country that don't give a fuck about the U.S.A. let me say that again, so we are clear on this:
THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE U.S.A.
this country is nothing but a paycheck to them. they cross illegally, and work a menial job for crap pay that is many, many times more than they can make in their own country. they make their pay, send some home to the family, and party with the rest. there is a "cat's away, mice will play" attitude. they do whatever they want, because it's not their country. drinking, drugs, driving with no licence or insurance, running up credit cards they never intend to pay, stealing. worst case scenario they get pinched, deported. they just come right back, buy a new social security card at sixth and alvarado and it's right back to business as usual. they bring with them the same corruption and apathy that has ruined their own country.
I've had people complain to me how bad things are for them in los estados unidos. (you know, the "we do the jobs that americans are too lazy and prideful to do" bit) they always shut up when I ask them directly, if things are so bad then why are you here?
I have no patience or sympathy for those that to squirt crocodile tears and complain about [insert illegal alien grievance here]. they can suck a big fat one.
and to the hard working, honest latinos that get lumped in with these lowlifes, all I can say is the same thing I say to black guys that can't get a cab in NYC: sucks to be you.
as Russell Pearce said, "Illegal is not a race"
KevDen2005
04-29-2010, 04:48
New York City??????
Get a rope!
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 08:10
and to the hard working, honest latinos that get lumped in with these lowlifes, all I can say is the same thing I say to black guys that can't get a cab in NYC: sucks to be you.
Welcome to the world of the white, conservative, male, gun-owner. We're called all sorts of names simply because we have a particular value set.
So to anyone who thinks I'm a racist because I don't like illegal Mexican (or any other nationality) immigrants in my country, blow me.
Personally, I've gone back and reviewed what Sniper wrote. I don't find it racist in the least. I think the racism talk directed at him is wrong and sounds an awful lot like the racism charges directed at people who support any effort to get rid of illegals in this country. It's a kneejerk response that hasn't been given a lot of thought. It's tiring.
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 08:12
I still don't see my apology thread posted yet...
I see an opportunity for "Obama Apology Tour - 2010".
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 08:19
And why is racism only a one-way street? It seems to me, if you listen to the mass media, only whites can be racist.
In my adult lifetime (since I've been old enough to understand racism) I've seen racism from minorities towards whites far more often than the other way around. But that rarely seems to count with anyone.
Bitter Clinger
04-29-2010, 08:43
New York City??????
Get a rope......[ROFL1]
Bitter Clinger
04-29-2010, 08:46
Get a rope!
Crap 4am....beat me to it
Iwas gonna post that from my phone at work last night but i cant quote from my phone
And why is racism only a one-way street? It seems to me, if you listen to the mass media, only whites can be racist.
In my adult lifetime (since I've been old enough to understand racism) I've seen racism from minorities towards whites far more often than the other way around. But that rarely seems to count with anyone.
+1, I have also seen more lashing out and name calling of whites by all sorts of people more often than they other way around
I say we build a couple trebuchets down along the border and launch any caught illegals back where they came from...
They plan to leave, So the law must work?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_day_labor
Wow... I missed a lot yesterday/last night....
Somewhat like the stop sign in the middle of nowhere, that nobody stops at. One day the cop shows up and everybody becomes a law abiding citizen..
Wow... I missed a lot yesterday/last night....
What?
[Abused]
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 09:18
They plan to leave, So the law must work?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_day_labor
Yep...many will leave. And go to Utah, Colorado, NM, Texas....
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 09:29
I call Ritter a lot of things. Oh...you mean like a telephone call.
What?
[Abused]
*Clears throat*... I said: "Wow, I missed a lot yesterday, you deaf racist white devil!!!"
[Beer]
I'm down wit dat.. [Tooth]
funkfool
04-29-2010, 10:06
I still disagree with the law.
It basically gives LEO the power to ask for papers wherever, whenever, for whatever reason.
awesome right?
I don't have a finely tuned sarcasm meter today... so I am not sure if this was meant as sarcasm...
However... with that said...
Repetition of hearsay is foolish.
Those who repeat what they hear without benefit of engaging their brain should just hold up a sign that says "FOOL".
(No - not Funkfool!)
Repetition of statements of questionable fact can be criminal.
Re: Fire in a theatre and you are pointing people to an area without an exit - yelling "EXIT" and they die - it is as if you pushed them into the fire yourself.
And THAT - my friends, is EXACTLY what these people who are making these comments want... repetition of falsehoods make them begin to appear as pseudo fact.
Please.
Do youself and others a favor.
Read the bill yourself and make informed intelligent comments:
Since I don't see where anyone has posted it...
Here it is: SB1070 (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf)
And since the site is getting so much traffic for the .pdf ...
Here is the Legislative fact sheet: FACT SHEET FOR S.B. 1070 (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/summary/s.1070pshs.doc.htm)
After reading it... you may have different ideas of what this law does and does not do.
I read it, says "reasonable Suspicion" a whole bunch.. I tend to agree with Stu, if the P.O. is going to abuse his power, He's going to do it with or without this anyway.
Short semi pertinant story, years ago, I worked in a resturant cleaning up overnight. For the most part, I'd get out between 4 and 5 in the morning.
Due to circumstances at the time, I was hoofing it. In that time, I got "stopped" by the police about 3 times. Showed ID, told 'em where I was headed and that was that.. Except one cold night, When the cop actually gave me a ride home..
Did I think they were "abusing" their power? No, I figured they were actually doing their job. I was 19-20 y/o at the time so, yeah, in some circles that could be considered "suspicious"
+1 - been in the EXACT same place... Well - except my hair was/is really long - so I got stopped.
Hey - I wasn't doing any thing wrong - so WHAT HAVE I GO TO BE WORRIED ABOUT!?
Also: Elhuero... well reasoned comments.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 10:11
I call him stuff all of the time [ROFL1]- mostly things I can't type here.
ETA: See, again, this is what I get for posting without doing a refresh BEFORE I make the post...I got beat to the punch!
I call Ritter a lot of things. Oh...you mean like a telephone call.
He will be at the border shaking hands.
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 10:16
And he'll be facing south.
ChunkyMonkey
04-29-2010, 10:22
Will he be doing Reagan style speech "Tear down this wall!" ? Wannabe!
Well - except my hair was/is really long - so I got stopped
There for awhile, I made Mtn. man's avatar look like He just stepped off the cover of GQ. [Tooth]
StagLefty
04-29-2010, 10:33
I see a COAR15 reality show in the making here- WOW you guys stay up late !!
Feels like I missed a couple of days instead of hours. [Help]
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 11:14
*Clears throat*... I said: "Wow, I missed a lot yesterday, you deaf racist white devil!!!"
[Beer]
Bear, THAT was funny!
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 11:33
I see a COAR15 reality show in the making here- WOW you guys stay up late !!
Feels like I missed a couple of days instead of hours. [Help]
So, here I was responding to posts on this thread last night when my wife chimes up from across the room "Uh, do you have to work TODAY?"
I took the hint that I should consider going to bed. I eneded up getting 3.5 hrs of bad sleep and now I'm drinking an energy drink here @ work to keep my head off of the keyboard (besides, drool between the keys tends to get sticky).
How's the Mexican food in AZ?
New law proposed in AZ HB 55,, No More Tacos or Burritos...
So to anyone who thinks I'm a racist because I don't like illegal Mexican (or any other nationality) immigrants in my country, blow me.
There seems to be an unbridgeable gap between what I'm saying, and what you are hearing. Sniper was ranting about things that are Hispanic stereotypes. None of what he said has anything to do with some one's legal status.
I think an appropriate analogy would be if there was a Somali Immigrant problem, and someone said, "Well, they're just asking to be targeted by making rap music and buying spinning rims." That statement is at a disconnect with the issue of legal status.
No one is suggesting (certainly not me anyway) that America or the American people need to accept illegals in the country. This is America, not an asylum. No one has the RIGHT to move here. The people who are here illegally aren't entitled to anything. Since I'm going to go ahead and assume that any ambiguous addressing of "anyone who" is referring to me, I'll go ahead and reassure you that I don't fault you (Bailey) or anyone else for thinking that illegals shouldn't be allowed to be here. Guess what? They shouldn't.
I have a strong suspicion, that like most things in life, the outspoken minority of illegal jackasses that brag about government checks and march their Mexican flags around, and partake in behavior like El Huero described are actually a minority within the minority.
Just like many people think that every gay person is a flaming, outspoken, dramatic queen, because that is what grabs media attention with parades and what not.
Just like non-gun owners look to backwards and back woods militia groups, or cracked criminals who go on shooting sprees, and apply that behavior to all gun owners in general.
Just like how people who hate religion look at small (but loud) groups like the Westboro Baptist Church as evidence of the unrelenting evil of religion.
I suspect that for the most part, people who came here illegally are afraid to apply for welfare programs because they are too afraid to fill out papers and get caught and sent back to where ever they came from. There certainly is a draw on society, but it might not be as large as people think. Not all illegals are created equally. While some are out committing violent crimes, others have businesses with legal purchased or rented store fronts, and have to have proper insurance and meet other state and city requirements just to stay in business.
When those people get caught and have to leave, well then (like El Huero said), "tough shit." That was the risk you took to set up here illegally. You made a good go at it, but unfortunately we can't allow you to continue your operation here until you obtain legal status. Apply again, and maybe this time around you'll be able to make a better case for yourself as being able to take care of yourself, since you've already done it. Perhaps you've made a good impression on some US citizen business contact and they'll write a letter of recommendation for you or even sponsor you. The bottom line is that you didn't follow the laws and you'll just have to start over and try again.
That is besides the point however. If someone wants to drive a low rider or have a Nike swoop, that's fine by me.
So, here I was responding to posts on this thread last night when my wife chimes up from across the room "Uh, do you have to work TODAY?"
I took the hint that I should consider going to bed. I eneded up getting 3.5 hrs of bad sleep and now I'm drinking an energy drink here @ work to keep my head off of the keyboard (besides, drool between the keys tends to get sticky).
I was working my way through a course I paid for to further my career. After that was done, I had to watch a movie before bed so I could forget how I'm ruining any good standing I ever had on this site. If I didn't distract myself with a movie, I would have just laid in bed and wondered if I should have just not said anything.
Cool,, so i will bring out my Low rider convertable, put some flaming, gay, outspoken, dram queen, illegals in the back, waving whatever flag they want, and packing heat, and drive through Denver
Cool,, so i will bring out my Low rider convertable, put some flaming, gay, outspoken, dram queen, illegals in the back, waving whatever flag they want, and packing heat, and drive through Denver
Oh, is Ritter hosting a party or something?
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 12:09
No, there's no disconnect. I simply disagree with your assessment that what Sniper said was racist.
No one is suggesting (certainly not me anyway) that America or the American people need to accept illegals in the country.
You may not be suggesting that but plenty of people are. That's part of the problem. The pro-illegal activists perpetuate lie after lie about the positive impact illegals have on our society and how our laws are unfair to illegals. I, for one, am tired of it.
And yes, the "anyone who" was not directed at you specifically.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 12:10
I was working my way through a course I paid for to further my career. After that was done, I had to watch a movie before bed so I could forget how I'm ruining any good standing I ever had on this site. If I didn't distract myself with a movie, I would have just laid in bed and wondered if I should have just not said anything.
It's just one topic here that we aren't agreeing on. We can't always agree on everything. It's not like I'm personally trying to push someone back across the border and you're physically trying to pull them back, we're just expressing opinions.
I'll still by you a beer or soda or whatnot if we ever meet.
Now shut up and cook me a turkey pot pie b!tch.[ROFL1]
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 12:13
Cool,, so i will bring out my Low rider convertable, put some flaming, gay, outspoken, dram queen, illegals in the back, waving whatever flag they want, and packing heat, and drive through Denver
Oh, so just another Saturday night on Colfax; eh?
Oh, is Ritter hosting a party or something?
Yours was good - mine was better.
That group hug thing again....[Kick2]
Oh, so just another Saturday night on Colfax; eh?
Yours was good - mine was better.
All of Mehico celebrates my Birthday Cinco de Mtnman..
New law proposed in AZ HB 55,, No More Tacos or Burritos...
How about tamales? I loves my tamales!
Oh, so just another night on Colfax; eh?
Fixed for you... weird place.
No, there's no disconnect. I simply disagree with your assessment that what Sniper said was racist.
You may not be suggesting that but plenty of people are. That's part of the problem. The pro-illegal activists perpetuate lie after lie about the positive impact illegals have on our society and how our laws are unfair to illegals. I, for one, am tired of it.
And yes, the "anyone who" was not directed at you specifically.
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me.
Fuck all those people protesting. I get so angry listening to all the stupid things people say when they call into a radio station to complain about this law that I feel like I'm going to have a stroke! Some stupid lady called in and went off about how America is exploiting illegals with low wages and it is just legal slavery. You can't even begin to address a comment like that, which is wrong on every level.
Also, I know that other people are racist, and play the race card out of bounds and expect white guilt. Fuck them too. I hate those people. However, just because someone else is a racist asshole, doesn't give me a pass to be racist. When I left the 6th grade, I left the play ground logic there too.
I don't do a lot of things right in my life, so please excuse my passionate attempts to do at least one thing correctly.
I still like you Bailey.
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 12:29
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me.
Fuck all those people protesting. I get so angry listening to all the stupid things people say when they call into a radio station to complain about this law that I feel like I'm going to have a stroke! Some stupid lady called in and went off about how America is exploiting illegals with low wages and it is just legal slavery. You can't even begin to address a comment like that, which is wrong on every level.
Also, I know that other people are racist, and play the race card out of bounds and expect white guilt. Fuck them too. I hate those people. However, just because someone else is a racist asshole, doesn't give me a pass to be racist. When I left the 6th grade, I left the play ground logic there too.
I don't do a lot of things right in my life, so please excuse my passionate attempts to do at least one thing correctly.
I still like you Bailey.
Oh, thanks a lot for being nice and reasonable. It's hard to stay mad now. Dammit.
[Beer]
I was working my way through a course I paid for to further my career. After that was done, I had to watch a movie before bed so I could forget how I'm ruining any good standing I ever had on this site. If I didn't distract myself with a movie, I would have just laid in bed and wondered if I should have just not said anything.
you have lost any and all standing you had with me. spouting your mouth with uncalled for slanderous bullshit doesnt sit well with me. until i get a new thread where you apologize to me you can fuck yourself and i will tell that to you face should we meet. i will discredit anything you ever say to the best of my ability from here on out. kiss my ass stu, literally and figuratively. the only way to fix it now is act like a man and admit you were wrong.
Sucks for me then I guess (not really). Don't hurt yourself going out of your way to slander me. I'll make sure to leave a few misspelled words here and there to give you something to do. I'd say the PM's I get thanking me for saying something to you when you get worked up greatly out weigh your latest tantrum. Grow up.
Sucks for me then I guess (not really). Don't hurt yourself going out of your way to slander me. I'll make sure to leave a few misspelled words here and there to give you something to do. I'd say the PM's I get thanking me for saying something to you when you get worked up greatly out weigh your latest tantrum. Grow up.
post your pm's then. fuck you stu
If I still had them, I wouldn't throw those people under the bus and post their pm's. They obviously didn't want to say anything on the board. I did look though. I cleaned them out last time I emptied my box. I only have PM's from getting yelled at by mods and info on my rifle getting fixed.
post your pm's then. fuck you stu
Hello! Well I am new here. I'll jump right in then. I read everything on this thread & the other one. There are a few people here like Palepainter, IamHunter & Stuart with whom I agree. Thank you Stuart.
Oh cool, a like, kind, and quality replacement.
If I still had them, I wouldn't throw those people under the bus and post their pm's. They obviously didn't want to say anything on the board. I did look though. I cleaned them out last time I emptied my box. I only have PM's from getting yelled at by mods and info on my rifle getting fixed.
more bullshit. if people had a problem they would have posted it or agreed with you or even send me a pm. what are you, their illegal loving libtard wolf mother? you spout your mouth like a 7th grade girl and now dont have the balls to admit you are wrong. i thought you said you left that crap on the playground? why is it you were the only one to call me racist yet several disagreed with you on that statement...just admit you were wrong. act like a man
I suspect it is because people don't want to be brow beaten by you. Not my issue.
If you want to hate Mexicans and "just tolerate" the black people you work with, that's fine with me; just keep it to yourself. Gun owners have a hard enough time shaking the stereotypes they are given already. Your bigoted rants aren't helping anyone.
Sorry to take you out of your comfort zone. I think you'll live.
I'm with BB pass the bucket.
Feels like when I go to Vegas and the pre warmup before the Main Event.
I suspect it is because people don't want to be brow beaten by you. Not my issue.
If you want to hate Mexicans and "just tolerate" the black people you work with, that's fine with me; just keep it to yourself. Gun owners have a hard enough time shaking the stereotypes they are given already. Your bigoted rants aren't helping anyone.
Sorry to take you out of your comfort zone. I think you'll live.
again you think you know me but yet again fail. i work with legal immigrants from spain vietnam canada ireland england and mexico who would agree with me. you continue with your middle school drama story when you dont know a thing about me. you have no proof. you dont have a case. just admit you were wrong
I'll have you know...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ill-have-you-know-i-have-several-black-friendsters,11021/
ill read and respond when i finish teaching kids not to be an ignorant fucktard loser like stuart.
ronaldrwl
04-29-2010, 13:49
I'll have you know...
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ill-have-you-know-i-have-several-black-friendsters,11021/
http://blog.sellsiusrealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/piss%20fountain.jpg
Molon_Labe-1775
04-29-2010, 17:56
You hate Mexicans. I don't see you complaining about any of the Chinese or Russian illegal immigrants.
Funny.... I don't see a 90% illegal infiltration rate of Russians.
Just a quick glace at the schools or Wall Mart will tell that story.
Another thing about the Chinese or Russians... I wonder what paper work they had to fill out to get here? I'm guessing it wasn't sneaking their way in to the local airport at night [Bang]
robsterclaw
04-29-2010, 18:58
How's the Mexican food in AZ?
It kicks ass! There's a few shops in Tucson called "Little Mexico". If you ever get there get the Carne Asada plate. It's like sex for the tongue. And I don't even like Mexican food.
Bailey Guns
04-29-2010, 20:42
Mexican food = tongue sex??? That's some good chow.
theGinsue
04-29-2010, 23:40
Just a quick glace at the schools or Wall Mart will tell that story..[edit]...Another thing about the Chinese or Russians...
Um, looking around my local Wal-Mart reveals that the Chinese HAVE taken over - just not with people - with imports items filling the shelves.
Start looking down on people that go to school and/or Walmart. Check.
Thanks for the advice.
ChunkyMonkey
04-30-2010, 00:30
Um, looking around my local Wal-Mart reveals that the Chinese HAVE taken over - just not with people - with imports items filling the shelves.
You skipped the whole 90s and early part of this century, I see [ROFL1][ROFL2]
Molon_Labe-1775
04-30-2010, 07:12
Um, looking around my local Wal-Mart reveals that the Chinese HAVE taken over - just not with people - with imports items filling the shelves.
That as well.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-30-2010, 07:15
Start looking down on people that go to school and/or Walmart. Check.
Thanks for the advice.
You should move over the the DU site. Its pretty clear from your post that you are very left leaning. The fact that you take any comment some one makes and turn it around as well as use the race card anytime you can not defend your views rationally.
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/TS12000/45675.jpg
http://www.greaserlee.com/smilies/out.gif
http://i986.photobucket.com/albums/ae346/TS12000/45675.jpg
Who is that and why should I be scared of him?... feel like I'm missing the "punch" line of a joke.... pun intended.
I'm with BB pass the bucket.
Feels like when I go to Vegas and the pre warmup before the Main Event.
I don't drink or gamble.... but I had the best time of my life when I went to Vegas. Got to shoot some full autos, saw some GREAT shows/musicials, the food was great, etc.... good times, thanks for the rememberance of memories.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-30-2010, 08:53
Who is that and why should I be scared of him?... feel like I'm missing the "punch" line of a joke.... pun intended.
I'm with you.... who or what was the intended pic to and for what purpose?
You should move over the the DU site. Its pretty clear from your post that you are very left leaning. The fact that you take any comment some one makes and turn it around as well as use the race card anytime you can not defend your views rationally.
LOL. Seriously.
Let me catch you up to speed. Sniper made some racist remarks. I called him on them. Him and everyone else used the defense of "well the law says blah blah blah." There is nothing wrong with the law, there is something wrong with blatant racism. Using discussion of this law to make statements like, "I always have to stand in line behind them (Mexicans) at the DMV and Wal-mart." has nothing to do with citizenship, and has everything to do with Sniper being irritated by Mexicans. It is rant about his dislike of a certain race of people. It isn't even a good rant, it is ironic at best.
People on here can't seem to differentiate between an illegal Mexican and a legal Mexican. There are some legitimate comments about illegals committing crimes and what not, but other comments are made in a matter of fact manner that shouldn't be. In the beginning of the statement illegals are worthless parasites that drive stolen cars, aren't insured, have no papers, aren't traceable, only live to commit crimes and party, etc, etc. Then, in the same comment these same parasite illegals are causing lines at the DMV and Wal-mart because they are engaging in commerce at a ratio of 6:1 (otherwise there wouldn't be a whole line of them see? Stay with me)! You don't go register a car if you aren't going to put insurance on it, let alone if you stole it. So which is it? Not exactly black and white like everyone would like to think it is.
Snipers comments reflect his opinion on how what he thinks are illegals are reducing the quality of his life by doing such heinous things as:
-driving trucks with small wheels
-having a Nike swoosh in the back window
-displaying their names on their vehicles in Old English font.
-shopping at Wal-mart (in abundance).
-registering cars with the county (in abundance).
None of these things have anything to do with legal status. ALL are legal to do. ALL are options for US born Mexicans. NONE of which have a negative effect on society. Those are things that indicate that someone might be Mexican, not that they might be illegal. Those are the issues he chose to rant about. Therefor, from my perspective, Sniper is bothered by the presence of Mexicans. Now, Sniper may not be a racist. I never accused him of perusing Storm Front or going to Klan meetings (like he did me), but he sure made some racist comments. Comments that I am unwilling to let pass without pointing them out. I also won't hold it against him and follow him around and snap at his ankles in every thread he posts in. That's called Trolling and other board members don't appreciate it. This is the thread he made his comments in, so this is where I'll address them. The Ginsue openly questioned a picture I posted in the funny picture thread, and I didn't stock him around the website with school yard taunting. I considered his comment and reflected on how it looked for me to post what I did. Sniper can be annoyed with Mexicans all he wants, but it will do him good to consider the things he says if he doesn't want to be seen as a racist. Clearly he isn't happy about it. Sucks for him.
As another user commented, there is plenty of casual racism tossed around on the site in jest, I'm guilty of it plenty myself. There is a line however, and if it gets crossed, people will say something.
So, thanks for your youtube grade comment, Molon_Labe-1775, but I wouldn't even log onto Democratic Underground using your computer.
P.S. Welcome to the site, I'm Stu, but you can call me Irving. If you have a question about something, ask someone else because I don't know shit.
Cheers
*I debated using the term "Hispanics" instead of "Mexicans" but I chose to stay consistent through out and was careful recognize my audience.
funkfool
04-30-2010, 13:08
I'm thirsty after re-reading all that..
... better go get some "Arizona Iced Tea".
I'm thinking about boycotting Arizona Iced Tea just because it is made in New York. Screw that place.
ronaldrwl
04-30-2010, 14:08
I will join your boycott.
It taste bad.
funkfool
04-30-2010, 14:29
I'm thinking about boycotting Arizona Iced Tea just because it is made in New York. Screw that place.
Full of fu**in' New Yorkers!
I prefer my tea sweet...
Yep - from the South...
A French place... maybe you've heard of it...
Parris Island!
[ROFL1]
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 14:44
LOL. Seriously.
Let me catch you up to speed. Sniper made some racist remarks. I called him on them. Him and everyone else used the defense of "well the law says blah blah blah." There is nothing wrong with the law, there is something wrong with blatant racism. Using discussion of this law to make statements like, "I always have to stand in line behind them (Mexicans) at the DMV and Wal-mart." has nothing to do with citizenship, and has everything to do with Sniper being irritated by Mexicans. It is rant about his dislike of a certain race of people. It isn't even a good rant, it is ironic at best.
People on here can't seem to differentiate between an illegal Mexican and a legal Mexican. There are some legitimate comments about illegals committing crimes and what not, but other comments are made in a matter of fact manner that shouldn't be. In the beginning of the statement illegals are worthless parasites that drive stolen cars, aren't insured, have no papers, aren't traceable, only live to commit crimes and party, etc, etc. Then, in the same comment these same parasite illegals are causing lines at the DMV and Wal-mart because they are engaging in commerce at a ratio of 6:1 (otherwise there wouldn't be a whole line of them see? Stay with me)! You don't go register a car if you aren't going to put insurance on it, let alone if you stole it. So which is it? Not exactly black and white like everyone would like to think it is.
Snipers comments reflect his opinion on how what he thinks are illegals are reducing the quality of his life by doing such heinous things as:
-driving trucks with small wheels
-having a Nike swoosh in the back window
-displaying their names on their vehicles in Old English font.
-shopping at Wal-mart (in abundance).
-registering cars with the county (in abundance).
None of these things have anything to do with legal status. ALL are legal to do. ALL are options for US born Mexicans. NONE of which have a negative effect on society. Those are things that indicate that someone might be Mexican, not that they might be illegal. Those are the issues he chose to rant about. Therefor, from my perspective, Sniper is bothered by the presence of Mexicans. Now, Sniper may not be a racist. I never accused him of perusing Storm Front or going to Klan meetings (like he did me), but he sure made some racist comments. Comments that I am unwilling to let pass without pointing them out. I also won't hold it against him and follow him around and snap at his ankles in every thread he posts in. That's called Trolling and other board members don't appreciate it. This is the thread he made his comments in, so this is where I'll address them. The Ginsue openly questioned a picture I posted in the funny picture thread, and I didn't stock him around the website with school yard taunting. I considered his comment and reflected on how it looked for me to post what I did. Sniper can be annoyed with Mexicans all he wants, but it will do him good to consider the things he says if he doesn't want to be seen as a racist. Clearly he isn't happy about it. Sucks for him.
As another user commented, there is plenty of casual racism tossed around on the site in jest, I'm guilty of it plenty myself. There is a line however, and if it gets crossed, people will say something.
So, thanks for your youtube grade comment, Molon_Labe-1775, but I wouldn't even log onto Democratic Underground using your computer.
P.S. Welcome to the site, I'm Stu, but you can call me Irving. If you have a question about something, ask someone else because I don't know shit.
Cheers
*I debated using the term "Hispanics" instead of "Mexicans" but I chose to stay consistent through out and was careful recognize my audience.
I do believe you have lost a lot of points with people here. Quick to cry "racist" because you are a follower imho. I do believe you did the same thing with me a while back when you posted as Sturtle. I'm glad the majority of the other members on here aren't like that, I hope. I'm glad you do understand the we need to enforce our immigration laws.
I don't remember calling another person racist on here before, except for maybe in jest. If you can find the post, I'd sure like to read it and see what the deal is. Your avatar is vaguely familiar to me, but not with any negative stigma. Wait, I know your name...the avatar is only vaguely familiar because you probably changed it after the thread about pointing guns at the camera. I still don't have any negative feelings associated with your name though, so if I've said something to you in the past, it must be long forgotten.
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 15:00
I don't remember calling another person racist on here before, except for maybe in jest. If you can find the post, I'd sure like to read it and see what the deal is. Your avatar is vaguely familiar to me, but not with any negative stigma. Wait, I know your name...the avatar is only vaguely familiar because you probably changed it after the thread about pointing guns at the camera. I still don't have any negative feelings associated with your name though, so if I've said something to you in the past, it must be long forgotten.
I remember. You said something to the effect I hated the USA because I had posted something about Obama. To be quite frank my post was somewhat generic, but yours was quite blunt.
Hmmmmmmm, it sounds like I was being facetious, but I have to say that with little conviction since I don't remember as well as you.
It sounds like I made some comment to you when you first joined, made a poor impression, and you've been interpreting my posts as more rude than they were meant to be since then. That's a shame.
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 15:26
Hmmmmmmm, it sounds like I was being facetious, but I have to say that with little conviction since I don't remember as well as you.
It sounds like I made some comment to you when you first joined, made a poor impression, and you've been interpreting my posts as more rude than they were meant to be since then. That's a shame.
No and yes. I took note. Now I'm taking note again.
Here is the one I think you're talking about.
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120606&postcount=34
From this thread: (half way down on page two)
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13688
You said something about Obama being taken out, and I told you that you don't care about the country because the guy to replace Obama was worse.
I just did a search for all of your posts. This site has had a lot of big debates like this before. I found another thread where I said something to you, you responded with a ;) saying, "No I'm just a racist." Obviously you were just being facetious and referring to another encounter we had, but I don't think I picked up on it at the time.
I also ran across a bunch of other posts where Sniper was comparing illegals (of any sort) to rapists and terrorists, saying how that rancher that was murdered deserved to be killed, spouting off (yet again) about his beloved "Operation Wetback." Taking note indeed.
I also saw some names of people I haven't seen around in a while. Namely Pancho Villa, Tristan, and some others.
So, in conclusion, I did tell you that you just hated Obama and didn't care about the country. I feel that within the context of the comment, it wasn't rude at all. It appears I must have called you a racist in another thread however, since that's not what we were talking about at the time.
I guess if I only cared about how people view me, and not so much about what I feel is right, I'd be more niggardly with my criticism of what others say. Until then, I guess you can just think of me as Mr. Charity. ;)
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 16:27
Here is the one I think you're talking about.
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120606&postcount=34
From this thread: (half way down on page two)
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13688
You said something about Obama being taken out, and I told you that you don't care about the country because the guy to replace Obama was worse.
I just did a search for all of your posts. This site has had a lot of big debates like this before. I found another thread where I said something to you, you responded with a ;) saying, "No I'm just a racist." Obviously you were just being facetious and referring to another encounter we had, but I don't think I picked up on it at the time.
I also ran across a bunch of other posts where Sniper was comparing illegals (of any sort) to rapists and terrorists, saying how that rancher that was murdered deserved to be killed, spouting off (yet again) about his beloved "Operation Wetback." Taking note indeed.
I also saw some names of people I haven't seen around in a while. Namely Pancho Villa, Tristan, and some others.
So, in conclusion, I did tell you that you just hated Obama and didn't care about the country. I feel that within the context of the comment, it wasn't rude at all. It appears I must have called you a racist in another thread however, since that's not what we were talking about at the time.
I guess if I only cared about how people view me, and not so much about what I feel is right, I'd be more niggardly with my criticism of what others say. Until then, I guess you can just think of me as Mr. Charity. ;)
Geez, you are way way way off.
Has anyone here seen the movie "Friday", a comedy, the 1st one starring Ice Cube and Chris Tucker in 1995?
Well man. Sorry. I thought that was the post you were talking about. It was about Obama and I said you didn't care about the country.
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 16:54
Well man. Sorry. I thought that was the post you were talking about. It was about Obama and I said you didn't care about the country.
No, you are correct here, but with your prior post you were not, with all the extracurricula activity.
Who is that and why should I be scared of him?... feel like I'm missing the "punch" line of a joke.... pun intended.
It wasn't pointed in your direction BB, but the point was everyone is a tough guy behind a computer screen and I think everyone on here is taking what is said on the internet about them a bit too seriously. Who cares if some guy you don't even know calls you a racist? Is it really worth getting all pissed off about for days and days? Just tell them to fuck off and move on. What is that old adage..."Opinions are like assholes, every ones got one and they all stink."
I didn't fly once today to boycott Sniper. Take that Justin.
You know something? I'm now sick of it. You two go to PM's get it worked out. Because I read one more snide remark from either one of you. I'm putting You both in time out for a week.. Go ahead, TRY ME.
Don't Push it Stuart.. Just get it worked out.. I don't care "how" you guys do it. just do it.
And I am serious, Next snide remark from either of you,, you're both gone for a week. or,more.
I just mean I'm glad someone said something. I have no plans of working anything out with anyone, and like I said before, I've kept all my comments in this thread and this thread alone. I know better than to let it spill out else where. I'll fully accept any punishment with zero whining. I already made my long post though, so I guess you could say that I'm done with the subject anyway. Perfect timing.
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Don't BS me Stu.. I could find a couple outside this thread..
Jumpstart
04-30-2010, 17:44
Don't Push it Stuart.. Just get it worked out.. I don't care "how" you guys do it. just do it.
And I am serious, Next snide remark from either of you,, you're both gone for a week. or,more.
So is this some type of bandwidth problem, as in this thread taking up too much? If not what is the problem? Freedom of speech, right to bear arms. They go together like peanut butter and jelly.
I think I'll wear my Phoenix Suns tomorrow.
you might want to think again
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2
ttp://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2)
WARNING, EAR MUFFS KIDS:
Oh FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!
I'm sick of this crap... They are going to wear jerseys with their names in Spanish because they want to protest the immigration bill AZ passed?!?!
What the FUCK is wrong with these people?! We don't care if you're name is Spanish, Russian, or fucking Timbucktuivian!!! We care about the fact that they are ILLEGAL immigrants draining the civilization that we have striven to build!!! We are ALL FUCKING immigrants! The only real "Americans" are hte damn Indians.... and even they are not "from" the land mass that we call North America. What is so FUCKING hard to understand about that?! I'm glad we have immigrants as they add a lot of value to our country... but why can't people understand that there is a right and a FUCKING WRONG way to do things?!.....
I'm going to go jump off a cliff now. Hopefully the 'chute works.
Fucking Fuckity Fuckers Fucking With My Fucking Temper.
[Bang][M2]
*The word "Fuck" was originally an acroynm in midevial times relating to the command of "Fornication Under Charge of the King". This was a command given by Kings to their troops in time of war, where the soliders would have a "leave" to go home and fornicate with their wives (and whomever else) to help replenish that kingdoms population upon completion of their warring conquests. Hence, "I will fuck her." Now, it's just a vulgar word used for a myriad of purposes... It can be a verb, adjective, preposition, etc.....
you might want to think again
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2
fucking retards, there goes a large amount of their fan base. oh well, they will reap what they sow.
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 22:31
you might want to think again
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/05/immigration-takes-center-court-at-suns-spurs-playoffs/?hpt=C2
See, this is where the NBA needs to put their foot down and fine the Suns if they pull that junk. They have an official uniform - they need to wear it!
never gonna happen.
the NBA is more politically correct than the NAACP and the ACLU put together.
Plus of course all the teams wear different jerseys all the time, throwback jerseys and things like that. When I lived in Miami they would have Latin nights and wear El Heat jerseys a couple of times a season.
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