View Full Version : Slowly Nazi Germany Arrives in USA
Rust_shackleford
04-29-2010, 08:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBsjac3TDS8&feature=player_embedded
Delfuego
04-29-2010, 08:31
If you really think this is Nazi Germany... you need to read a book or two. Better yet, talk to someone who lived through the holocaust. Couple of riot cop standing around is pretty freakin' far from Nazi Germany.
What Delfuego said..
pklocek (http://www.youtube.com/user/pklocek) The Tea Baggers are all racist scum, even the black and brown ones! They are all woman-hating sexists, even the women in attendance. They are ignorant biggots who need to be tortured and then killed by the guardians of progressive society, and then they need to be tortured some more. I hope Obama rounds them all up and does away with them so that this Bush-lovers never threaten society again.
The first comment left,, Remind me again, who sounds like the nazi?
I'd say the cops are there because they were ordered to be. Not because they want to be..
If you really think this is Nazi Germany... you need to read a book or two. Better yet, talk to someone who lived through the holocaust. Couple of riot cop standing around is pretty freakin' far from Nazi Germany.
You need to watch the episode of The World at War where Germans of the time talk about how Naziism gained a foothold and took over Germany. Stormtroopers didn't just magically appear one day. The parallels to our current situation are amazing.
I'd say the cops are there because they were ordered to be. Not because they want to be..The Nuremberg defense didn't work well IIRC.
Not saying that I agree with the video, just pointing out irony.
Rust_shackleford
05-05-2010, 07:32
I doubt the Cops wanted to be there, but see how the Commie Lefty Illegals burned buildings, threw bottles & fought cops? No Lame stream media coverage.
Time Square was a "white guy" media hoping it was a conservative.
Oath Keepers are demonized? All they say is we won't disarm Americans. Seems like a good policy to me.
If a Tea Party person sneezes and doesn't cover, the media would say they were engaged in germ warfare.
Circuits
05-05-2010, 09:42
Not to mention that dims love calling Tea Party members "teabaggers" - it appeals to their (not-so) latent homoeroticism. A pejorative they can giggle over!
Bailey Guns
05-06-2010, 09:04
I watched the video. The police officers showed up and quietly stood on the side of the road. Someone off camera even said, "Now they're all standing together." Wow...that's somehow noteworthy?
And you actually equate that to Naziism? Seriously?
I agree with Delfuego...read some history books. You might also be interested to learn that Nazis were as far right on the politcal spectrum as they were far left on many issues. Totalitarian regimes often don't fit into clearly distinct classifications as "far-right" or "far-left".
Regardless, what exactly is the point of this particular video?
I may not like our current administration. But it's no more Nazi-like than the Bush administration was despite the claims of leftists at the time to the contrary.
Rust_shackleford
05-07-2010, 08:36
I watched the video. The police officers showed up and quietly stood on the side of the road. Someone off camera even said, "Now they're all standing together." Wow...that's somehow noteworthy?
And you actually equate that to Naziism? Seriously?
I agree with Delfuego...read some history books. You might also be interested to learn that Nazis were as far right on the politcal spectrum as they were far left on many issues. Totalitarian regimes often don't fit into clearly distinct classifications as "far-right" or "far-left".
Regardless, what exactly is the point of this particular video?
I may not like our current administration. But it's no more Nazi-like than the Bush administration was despite the claims of leftists at the time to the contrary.
Hitler had some very far left idealism. It was called the National Socialist Party.
My point is people who are standing for liberty are being demonized, while communist are given a pass in the media.
The car industry, education, banks, energy, water rights & health care have been or are partial controlled by government.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benitomuss388775.html)
"When Fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Bike sneakers anf Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism--Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend". -George Carlin
Bush was just as guilty as Obama, Obama just screwed us more in record time.
Bailey Guns
05-07-2010, 09:14
Hitler had some very far left idealism. It was called the National Socialist Party.
My point is people who are standing for liberty are being demonized, while communist are given a pass in the media.
The car industry, education, banks, energy, water rights & health care have been or are partial controlled by government.
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.
Benito Mussolini (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/benitomuss388775.html)
"When Fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Bike sneakers anf Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism--Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend". -George Carlin
Bush was just as guilty as Obama, Obama just screwed us more in record time.
OK...it was called the National Socialist Party. So what? There are countries such as North Korea or China that are called People's Republics. How much say do you suppose the people have in the running of either of those countries. Do you think the former German Democratic Republic was a democracy?
That doesn't change the fact that Naziism was on the extreme right/extreme left of various issues.
And I agree that the real patriots in this country are taking a beating while those that would "remake" it in a more socialist image are portrayed as saviours. And that really disgusts me.
But none of what you wrote answers the question regarding what is the point of comparing a video that simply shows police officers standing quietly on the side of the road with Nazi Germany?
Furthermore, it's my opinion that the late George Carlin should've stuck to comedy and not political commentary because he wasn't very good at it.
Sorry Carl, Nazis were not to the right of anything but communism.. Definatly the left side of the spectrum. Were they for the individual?, No,The State was more important. They had more in common with todays democrats than they do with the remnents of the republican party. Sure, Hitler put people back to work, but for the most part it was for the Government, Building roads and other stuff that benefited the state, not the individual. Nazism is more closly related to Fascism than it is capitalism..
Hell, I contend that FDR was more of a National Socialist than a democrat.
Zundfolge
05-07-2010, 10:59
That doesn't change the fact that Naziism was on the extreme right/extreme left of various issues.
The "Left vs Right" paradigm of political thought is one of the major Big Lies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie) we have been fed.
To say the entire spectrum of political thought lies between Communism on the extreme left and Fascism on the extreme right is like saying the entire spectrum of musical styles lies between West Coast Hip Hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_hip_hop) on the extreme left and East Coast Hip Hop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_hip_hop) on the extreme right ... it all sounds the same to Country, Jazz and Classical fans (and leaves those styles out).
The purpose of the lie is so that "leftists" (Communists, Socialists, Democrats, Etc) can pretend that mainstream conservative views are "more to the right" than their views and thus "Closer to being Fascists". In other words its a rhetorical device they use to say "Republican = Nazi".
To the Progressive, or Liberal or "Leftist" (or whatever we're calling them this week) the spectrum of acceptable political systems is indeed between Communism and Fascism.
There are only two real difference between Communism and Fascism:
Communism is globalist in nature whereas Fascism tends to embrace Nationalism.
Fascism seeks to create an illusion of a layer of Capitalism by hiding the government control of the means of production by leaving the structure of corporations intact (and either leaving those in charge of the corporations in control of their companies, or replacing them with idiots loyal to the government).So in reality, Socialism and Fascism are simply steps toward Communism. Doesn't really matter which one you get, total government and death are huge parts of all three.
I submit that a two axis grid as opposed to a simple left vs right line is much more descriptive. Something like the result you get when you take The World's Smallest Political Quiz (http://www.theadvocates.org/quizp/index.html) (although frankly the quiz itself is WAY too simplistic).
Delfuego
05-07-2010, 11:30
The purpose of the lie is so that "leftists" (Communists, Socialists, Democrats, Etc) can pretend that mainstream conservative views are "more to the right" than their views and thus "Closer to being Fascists". In other words its a rhetorical device they use to say "Republican = Nazi".
And the "Big Lie" that you referenced is about the Jews.
Your going to use Hitler's opposition to the Jews as the basis of your argument? Honestly?
BTW Nazi Germany was a Totalitarian regime. It was formed as a conservative movement (to bring back the old prestige of Germany) that gradually became a Totalitarian "Cult of Personality" with a single person in total command.
I cant believe some these opinions. My father fought in WWII. And WWII was only the most reported and documented conflict in the world's history. Please people go read a book or documentary on WWII and the rise of the Nazi party (preferable one that wasn't written in the last 20 years, as we are quickly unlearning the lessons or our forefathers). You will quickly learn that is was about power and control. Not ideals. About scapegoating, ultimate power and expansionism. Do you really think that had Hitler completely exterminated the Jews (and that was his plan), he would not have found another scapegoat to blame afterward? Hitler did not give a shit about left or right. It was about world domination, his personal view of how the world should be.
Think I am wrong? I am always open to a debate. We live in the USA, and you can express your opinions openly. If you think we live in Nazi Germany, then go read a book. Or better yet, build a time machine and see for yourself how utterly wrong you are.
{Now stepping down from Soap-box}
I'd like to add to this thread.
Nice screen name Rusty. Very funny.
Delfuego
05-07-2010, 11:50
I agree with Stuart on the name, good humor for sure.
Stuart: I actually clicked on your signature link... WTF? The Macarera? Awesome! [Dance]
Not to high jack this thread, but I went to youtube to show this video to my 2.5 year-old daughter. I said, I'm going to show you a new song. I started playing the video and she said, "I've seen this." What the hell? She goes to grandma's every day with her cousin and they don't even have internet! How is my parenting supposed to compete with youtube when my 2.5 year-old (who just learned how to use a computer mouse to play Elmo games) tells me "Repost Dad..." when I go to show her a new dance?
Delfuego
05-07-2010, 12:51
She knows that they played that at her parents wedding, and every other wedding in the last 15 years... Kids these days... they grow up fast...
Zundfolge
05-07-2010, 13:13
And the "Big Lie" that you referenced is about the Jews.
Your going to use Hitler's opposition to the Jews as the basis of your argument? Honestly?
No, I used the entry on "Big Lie" to define what a "Big Lie" is ... it just so happens that Hitler's "Big Lie" was about the Jews ... but there are plenty of other "Big Lies" out there. Often when I use the term "Big Lie" people think I made it up ... I'm just establishing that it is a term with a specific meaning.
BTW Nazi Germany was a Totalitarian regime. It was formed as a conservative movement (to bring back the old prestige of Germany) that gradually became a Totalitarian "Cult of Personality" with a single person in total command. There was nothing "conservative" about the Nazis (except that you're buying one of the other Progressive lies that love of one's country is a form of evil unique to "the right" ... see, more "Republican = Nazi"). The National Socialist German Workers' Party (aka the Nazis ... Nazi comes from the German word Nationalsozialist) was about replacing the Weimar Republic (which had recently replaced the centuries old Imperial form of government in Germany) with a shiny new Socialist form of government. NOTHING was to be "conserved" here. Oh and do tell me about "Cult of Personality" (http://www.google.com/images?q=obama+posters).
I cant believe some these opinions. My father fought in WWII. And WWII was only the most reported and documented conflict in the world's history. Please people go read a book or documentary on WWII and the rise of the Nazi party (preferable one that wasn't written in the last 20 years, as we are quickly unlearning the lessons or our forefathers). You will quickly learn that is was about power and control. Not ideals. About scapegoating, ultimate power and expansionism. Do you really think that had Hitler completely exterminated the Jews (and that was his plan), he would not have found another scapegoat to blame afterward? Hitler did not give a shit about left or right. It was about world domination, his personal view of how the world should be.Bingo. And that is EXACTLY what modern progressive-ism (or liberalism or leftism or whatever we're calling it these days) is about. Its exactly what the Democrat party and Barack Obama are working toward. They don't care about women's rights, gay rights, minority rights or the environment, they only truly care about power and they will use the women's, gay, minority and environmental movements to help achieve their goal of total power.
Think I am wrong? I am always open to a debate. We live in the USA, and you can express your opinions openly. If you think we live in Nazi Germany, then go read a book. Or better yet, build a time machine and see for yourself how utterly wrong you are.
{Now stepping down from Soap-box}We are heading toward the same political system as ruled Nazi Germany (and for that matter Fascist Italy and the Soviet Union).
Unchecked, Obama and the Democrat Party WILL follow in the jackboot steps of Germany, Russia, Italy, China, Iran, Iraq, Cambodia, Viet Nam, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Etc.
EDITED TO ADD:
That "check" is coming soon ... the first big one is just 6 months away (already been a couple little ones in Mass and NJ). :D
Constitution
05-07-2010, 21:32
wow this is really interesting. You can tell who's stuck with bad info and who has really done there research..... Free Press is key and honest known investigative journalists are the only source...
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