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ok so a few days ago i recieved a email from the armslist.com website about my ap9,
it was a 20yr old military guy asking if he could buy my gun if he was 20, i then ask you guys for advice on the matter and told him yes he could do a ftf but not ffl.
He then offers me 50 dollars more then im asking, im like sweet more money hahaha then i give him my number to text me when he gets back in to town.
he text me today saying he is the guy wanting to by my megastar and firestar, i tell him wrong guy i have the ap9, he says oh he got the emails mixed up but that he was just gona text me about my ap9.
ive seen the post on here for the firestar and mega star from su405, so i pm su405 and ask a question about it, turns out su405 is a little concerned aout the deal also,
why would a 20yr old want to buy 3 hand guns in 2 days and offer more then the owner is asking, maybe im putting to much thought into it but it seems weird,
when i ask if some one 21 and older can buy it from me to ease my concerns he says never mind.
what r your guys thoughts on it, or has anyone dealt with him and maybe hes just a collecter like most of us. thanks for reading.
ChunkyMonkey
05-04-2010, 20:39
Ask for his military ID!
I need to get some tylenol after reading that paragraph.
hahaha im not the best speller or writer hahaha,
ChunkyMonkey
05-04-2010, 20:41
lol no worries. I dont even speak english... ask the guys whom I met already. [ROFL1]
True story.
Im still texting him and he hasn't really said anything about you turning him down. Other than "I don't think he feels comfortable selling to me so I'm not buying it". I asked if he had anyone that could vouch for him. His reply. " I'm military just pcs'd back to colorado so havn't bought a firearm here yet".
Just like I told you in the pm convo we had. I'm torn and don't know if I should meet up with the guy or not.
i asked if he had a colo id and he said yes
ChunkyMonkey
05-04-2010, 20:46
I say.. a military ID would be sufficient. MANY MANY of my friends who are in their terminal leaves or just left the military have cash to spend on toys. Especially those who are singles and non career guys.
i asked if he had a colo id and he said yes
He's willing to drive down and meet at Bass Pro tomorrow at 5:00. Maybe we should just both go down there and check it out. Ask for the CO ID and Military ID as suggested.
yeah if im off work by then i will go with you, i just dont want some guy going crazy cause he is getting picked on and use the gun i sell him to shoot someone
Chris2087
05-04-2010, 21:00
I am pretty sure there is no military exemption to the 21 age limit to but a handgun. He is also not picky about paying extra that also is a flag. Please be careful.
I am pretty sure there is no military exemption to the 21 age limit to but a handgun. He is also not picky about paying extra that also is a flag. Please be careful.21 is buying a hand gun through a FFL, 18 for buying a hand gun face to face.
I second the be careful.
He's willing to drive down and meet at Bass Pro tomorrow at 5:00. Maybe we should just both go down there and check it out. Ask for the CO ID and Military ID as suggested.
I think three of you gathered there for guns transaction - considered GUN SHOW, which means deal through FFL only... I might be wrong though..
glock21 I know you mentioned being concerned about him being one of the alphabet fishermen or officer trying to bust illegal sellers. But he has to be one of the dumbest agents/officers if he got our emails mixed up and text the wrong guy. And we are breaking no laws seeing as how private FTF sale is 18 and over.
yea if every thing looks good ill sell my gun, i was just concerned about all the mix up's, mabe im just paranoid
first off, look down at your keyboard, now look back up at your screen, now look back down at your keyboard, now look back up, do you see my run-on sentence yet? no...okay look back down at your keyboard, over there in the right 1/3rd or so, okay look back up at the screen, still with me? now look back down...over there on the right 1/3 there is a key, it reads out either "ENTER" or "RETURN". look back up at the screen, okay one more time look back down at the keyboard, and push that button, then look back at the screen
see what happens when you hit that button? hit it again
isn't that amazing? hit it again
is it easier to read the last 3 lines or my first few sentence compiled together? hit it again
do it twice now
pretty sweet huh?
now, in all seriousness, I am just busting your balls on the typing, but it makes it much easier when you break it up a bit.
as to the guy buying, when he offers more than what you are asking that is an immediate red flag for me, unless I completely de-value something and have a shitload of interest.
As far as legality, you are okay. as far as seeing the guy buy 3 handguns all in a short period of time, not necessarily odd but something that should raise a flag for sure.
you might still meet him, see what your feelings are and stand firm and just say you decided not to sell the gun and are going to keep it, tell him sorry for wasting his time and move on.
every one has to judge, just read the damn thread hahaha, ill try and space out the op hahaha
hopefully thats a little better, if not sorry
funkfool
05-04-2010, 21:43
An anti collecting info for a 'see how easy it is to skirt the law' article?
Always abide... and use your best judgement...
If it feels hinky -
It PROBABLY IS.
Troublco
05-04-2010, 21:52
Yeah, I've found that when my gut is talking I'd better be listening. Tends to be right more often than not. I'd rather not sell to someone who ultimately is OK than go ahead and sell to someone I shouldn't have. Better safe than sorry!
yeah thats what im thinking. thanks guys for all your input
I guess the only thing I can do is ask for his ID's as suggested. Just the same as when I have bought and sold from many on here with good feedback. But just because you have good feedback on a forum doesn't mean you aren't a little off your rocker. I mean I really don't know any of you. Who is to say that the guy on here with the longest positive feedback thread won't one day lose it and mow down a small town using all the firearms he purchased from everyone here. Oh well EVERYTHING in life is always a gamble. I guess I'll meet with the guy if he seems like a flake I'll walk.
every one has to judge, just read the damn thread hahaha, ill try and space out the op hahaha
lol don't worry I was just kidding with you...don't get your panties in a bunch![ROFL2]
no panties here, commando baby hahahaha[ROFL1]
no panties here, commando baby hahahaha[ROFL1]
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iamhunter
05-04-2010, 23:53
How did he go about offering you more money?
I've offered extra money to cover driving inconveniences or to beat out other prospective buyers...
or was he just like "hey i know you want $400, but I'll give you $450 just because!"
because I have to admit, that is rather odd.
But other than that, I'd say meet up with him, get a feel for his character, and make your decision.
Yes, your "gut" instinct is usually a good thing to listen to.
But I've noticed alot of sellers have their "gut" influenced by fear of the ATF, rather than a legitimate concern about the buyers credibility/legality.
Just be aware you don't mix up the two.
first off, look down at your keyboard, now look back up at your screen, now look back down at your keyboard, now look back up, do you see my run-on sentence yet? no...okay look back down at your keyboard, over there in the right 1/3rd or so, okay look back up at the screen, still with me? now look back down...
Someone's been watching Old Spice commercials. lol
Go with your gut. From a purely logical perspective, what is the difference between him wanting to buy 3 guns now, and him wanting to buy 3 guns in a few months?
Also, perhaps he offered more money just to help over come your unease of selling to someone under 21. Again, just go with your gut though, since I'm only speaking from what you've written. I'm not saying "go for it" by any means.
KevDen2005
05-05-2010, 00:19
ok so a few days ago i recieved a email from the armslist.com website about my ap9,
it was a 20yr old military guy asking if he could buy my gun if he was 20, i then ask you guys for advice on the matter and told him yes he could do a ftf but not ffl.
He then offers me 50 dollars more then im asking, im like sweet more money hahaha then i give him my number to text me when he gets back in to town.
he text me today saying he is the guy wanting to by my megastar and firestar, i tell him wrong guy i have the ap9, he says oh he got the emails mixed up but that he was just gona text me about my ap9.
ive seen the post on here for the firestar and mega star from su405, so i pm su405 and ask a question about it, turns out su405 is a little concerned aout the deal also,
why would a 20yr old want to buy 3 hand guns in 2 days and offer more then the owner is asking, maybe im putting to much thought into it but it seems weird,
when i ask if some one 21 and older can buy it from me to ease my concerns he says never mind.
what r your guys thoughts on it, or has anyone dealt with him and maybe hes just a collecter like most of us. thanks for reading.
Trust your gut....somethings doesn't sound right
robsterclaw
05-05-2010, 00:33
I was all for selling all three guns to him from the both of you until I saw he's offering more than asking price. I order all the Pepsi Products on Fort Carson, and they do blow their money when they get back. I've seen soldiers come in and buy $50 in Rockstar energy drinks because they haven't had any in a year. I saw a guy who got back from Iraq buy a $3,000 t.v. a PS3 and an Ipod touch in one trip.
He said since he wasn't dead he's going to have fun.
Him offering more money though would make me not sell to him. too strange.
Im also curious how he went about offering more money...
Personally I would NOT do the sale. There are tons of red flags flying over this one. Maybe if these were really desirable/hard to find guns I would understand throwing a few extra bucks in to seal the deal if the demand is high, but just throwing an extra 50 bucks at you because you talked to him? Just weird...
this is the email he sent first,
(hello i would love to purchase the ap-9 i am 20 and in the military can you purchase a handgun private sale at 20 in co? if you can i would love to purchase i would give you 400 seeing as these are so hard to come across if you hold it till net week if i can legally purchase at 20 in co of course)
my asking price was 350obo
I say it seems fishy but who knows, it's your property so the ball is completely in your court. If you don't feel right about it just tell him sorry no deal chief.
He didn't offer me any more money. But in the same respect he didn't really try to negotiate either. Most things I have ever sold be it here or somewhere else I always get the "What is your bottom dollar?" Or "would you take $50 less?" Now come to think of it we never really mentioned price untill I asked him if he agreed on the price. Maybe he figured he better not try and negotiate seeing as how he already asked me to hold them for a week.
Damn it glock21! Now you have me all phukin paraniod.
[ROFL1]
this is the email he sent first,
(hello i would love to purchase the ap-9 i am 20 and in the military can you purchase a handgun private sale at 20 in co? if you can i would love to purchase i would give you 400 seeing as these are so hard to come across if you hold it till net week if i can legally purchase at 20 in co of course)
my asking price was 350obo
My supposed email in reply:
"Thank you for your interst in my Ap-9. The legal limit for handgun purchase in the state of Colorado is 18 for a FTF transaction and 21 if you happen to go through a dealer. Also, you need to be in possession of a Colorado Drivers liscence. Do you have a Colorado DL? A Bill of Sale may also be required to ease my conscience and to have on record in case any future matters involving said firearm arise.
Unfortunately, I will not sell a firearm to an individual who doesn't know how to complete a sentence or use punctuation, as this shows a lack of education, respect, and self worth, regardless if it's a colloquial email or text. Do you file reports to your superiors in this fashion?
In essence and conclusion, I will not be selling my firearm to you. I apologize for wasting your time. Thank you for your service.
Sincerely,
Bob
Upon second reading that does sound really harsh... but I still stand by it. I know not everyone uses collegiate level English in speaking and writing. Lord knows I do not when I get excited and my Southern drawl and colloquialisms start to come out. However, people should at least know how to complete a sentence, use punctuation, capitalization, etc.
My supposed email in reply:
"Thank you for your interst in my Star pistols. The legal limit for handgun purchase in the state of Colorado is 18 for a FTF transaction and 21 if you happen to go through a dealer. Also, you need to be in possession of a Colorado Drivers liscence. Do you have a Colorado DL? A Bill of Sale may also be required to ease my conscience and to have on record in case any future matters involving said firearm arise.
Unfortunately, I will not sell a firearm to an individual who doesn't know how to complete a sentence or use punctuation, as this shows a lack of education, respect, and self worth, regardless if it's a colloquial email or text. Do you file reports to your superiors in this fashion?
In essence and conclusion, I will not be selling my firearm to you. I apologize for wasting your time. Thank you for your service.
Sincerely,
Bob
Upon second reading that does sound really harsh... but I still stand by it. I know not everyone uses collegiate level English in speaking and writing. Lord knows I do not when I get excited and my Southern drawl and colloquialisms start to come out. However, people should at least know how to complete a sentence, use punctuation, capitalization, etc.
Highlighted in bold red is how my response to his email went. Pretty much exact.
lol
Highlighted in bold red is how my response to his email went. Pretty much exact.
Great minds think alike, lol. [Beer]
Great minds think alike, lol. [Beer]
[Beer]
I guess I will at least be a man of my word and meet with him. I really don't like backing out after agreeing to meet someone. I had it happen to me too many times, and boy does it ever burn may ass when some clown wastes my time. I should know after 5:00 pm. today and will update in this thread.
ChunkyMonkey
05-05-2010, 09:37
Bunch of paranoid! [Tooth] The guy wants to secure a sales and offered more. Big deal.. I have done the same.. and I purchased certain things that I see good deals on an instant, without haggling. Cheap paranoid bastards! [ROFL1]
funkfool
05-05-2010, 09:49
OK - not to be a ninny here but: license.
If we are going there... let's go all the way.
Bunch of paranoid! [Tooth] The guy wants to secure a sales and offered more. Big deal.. I have done the same.. and I purchased certain things that I see good deals on an instant, without haggling. Cheap paranoid bastards! [ROFL1]
[ROFL2]
I hope your're right.
I just text him telling him I'll meet with him. He said "If you don't feel comfortable selling I would understand". So it's nice to know that if I don't feel right or if he happens not to have the proper ID on hand he won't throw a fit if I decline.
OK - not to be a ninny here but: license.
If we are going there... let's go all the way.
Big Rgr on that. Thanks for the catch. I always seem to have some problems with certain words like "license", "sarcasm", and a few others. I type "purty darn fast" and sometimes when I am in a rush and not thinking through things, they accidently get put into different cultural spellings such as colors being colours and license being liscense, etc. My bad. [Beer]
MichiganMilitia
05-05-2010, 13:29
...sometimes when I am in a rush and not thinking through things, they accidently get put into different cultural spellings such as colors being colours and license being liscense, etc. My bad.
hahaha I grew up reading lots of books by British authors and my poor mother had the darnedest time trying to get me to stop spelling everything with an "ou" when it should just be an "o". [Bang]
Color vs colour is a perfect example.
The Real reason for the American Revolution.. Easier Spellin's.[Abused]
He seemed like a regular guy. Very young looking and clean cut. I know, what 20 year old doesn't look young besides meth heads. Anyway he showed up with both ID's which looked legit to me. He shook my hand and apologized for being a little late. He looked over the pistol and pulled out cash. He went his way and I went mine.
Well glad to hear it all worked out!
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 20:43
lol no worries. I dont even speak english... ask the guys whom I met already. [ROFL1]
You may not speak it, but you certainly type it quite well! I believe the proper term is that you are "well written".
Glock - Yeah, his little slip up was just enough to tip the scales completely OUT of his favor for me. Any time someone offers you more than your asking prices for something that you haven't indicated there is a lot of interest in I would be concerned.
Additionally, I'd bet this guy would have tried to pay with a check or money order. While I would almost always scream against this, a situation like this (even without knowing about hte other 2 guns) would have had me getting his info off of his Military ID AND his DL because something is fishy there.
ETA:
as to the guy buying, when he offers more than what you are asking that is an immediate red flag for me, unless I completely de-value something and have a shitload of interest.
He seemed like a regular guy. Very young looking and clean cut. I know, what 20 year old doesn't look young besides meth heads. Anyway he showed up with both ID's which looked legit to me. He shook my hand and apologized for being a little late. He looked over the pistol and pulled out cash. He went his way and I went mine.
I really should just read the whole damned thread before posting - I keep coming in with comments that somone else has already made or with concerns that have already been addressed.
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 20:52
hahaha I grew up reading lots of books by British authors and my poor mother had the darnedest time trying to get me to stop spelling everything with an "ou" when it should just be an "o". [Bang]
Color vs colour is a perfect example.
I do the same thing - especially with the word armour.
I actually think most of the words look better with the "ou".
LOLOLO Check or money order?
Those crisp 20's didn't look like money orders to me.
Maybe I haven't seen a money order in a while.
Are they green with Jacksons picture on them?
[ROFL1]
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 21:00
Hey, I retracked in an "ETA" with :
I really should just read the whole damned thread before posting - I keep coming in with comments that somone else has already made or with concerns that have already been addressed.
I am glad that all went smoothly. I guess I'm just a major pessimist and don't exactly have a trusting spirit.
Hey, I retracked in an "ETA" with :
I am glad that all went smoothly. I guess I'm just a major pessimist and don't exactly have a trusting spirit.
[Beer]
I'm just busting your balls man.
I'm not too trusting either. It took lost sleep last night running it through over and over in my head.
But then I thought who am I to judge.
Just as I mentioned in one of my other posts any man here could be not right. I also mentioned to glock21 in a pm that any one of these guys on this forum could have a stack of bodies in his basement.
No man is infallible.
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 21:11
My supposed email in reply:
"Thank you for your interst in my Ap-9. The legal limit for handgun purchase in the state of Colorado is 18 for a FTF transaction and 21 if you happen to go through a dealer. Also, you need to be in possession of a Colorado Drivers liscence. Do you have a Colorado DL? A Bill of Sale may also be required to ease my conscience and to have on record in case any future matters involving said firearm arise.
Unfortunately, I will not sell a firearm to an individual who doesn't know how to complete a sentence or use punctuation, as this shows a lack of education, respect, and self worth, regardless if it's a colloquial email or text. Do you file reports to your superiors in this fashion?
In essence and conclusion, I will not be selling my firearm to you. I apologize for wasting your time. Thank you for your service.
Sincerely,
Bob
Upon second reading that does sound really harsh... but I still stand by it. I know not everyone uses collegiate level English in speaking and writing. Lord knows I do not when I get excited and my Southern drawl and colloquialisms start to come out. However, people should at least know how to complete a sentence, use punctuation, capitalization, etc.
You SO crack me up Bear! But, I must agree. Even though I have LOTS of typos in my posts (especially puncuation and misspelling the work the as "hte".
Now, when speaking in person, I usually allow my Ozark Hillbilly show through a bit and speak a lot more casually. This is really done more for the effect than out of laziness or ignorance.
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 21:15
[Beer]
I'm just busting your balls man.
Oh, I know but I've got to play along a little bit you know!
Just as I mentioned in one of my other posts any man here could be not right. I also mentioned to glock21 in a pm that any one of these guys on this forum could have a stack of bodies in his basement.
OMG! That would just be so wrong. For heavens sake, I can tell you first hand that the smell would just get to be overwhelming. The right thing to do is to bury them in the celler.
Oops. I mean, uh.... Dang; gotta move again.
theGinsue
05-05-2010, 21:18
Great minds think alike, lol.
Great minds? Where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4trn2lJxl00
[Coffee]
Cheap paranoid bastards! [ROFL1]
[B]You rang?
For heavens sake, I can tell you first hand that the smell would just get to be overwhelming. The right thing to do is to bury them in the celler.
Two words: Woodchipper, fertilizer...
Crap, now I have to move too.... [Muaha]
Two words: Woodchipper, fertilizer...
Crap, now I have to move too.... [Muaha]
Now you're just scaring me. We do think too much alike.
I told my oldest Son that when his younger Sisters boyfriends start showng up we are going to have to buy a woodchipper.
Take them out back to have "the talk" while feeding chunks of meat through.
[ROFL1]
Now you're just scaring me. We do think too much alike.
I told my oldest Son that when his younger Sisters boyfriends start showng up we are going to have to buy a woodchipper.
Take them out back to have "the talk" while feeding chunks of meat through.
[ROFL1]
HAHA. Don't forget to leave the shotgun next to the woodpile.
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