On Fox right now.

[palepainter]

There is a senate hearing on the bombing attempt at times square. The NYC Mayor Bumburg is using it as a platform to pursuade the senate to install gun control. I think I am going to puke. The Police Chief Ray Kelly is describing incidents where weapons have been involved with Ak56's and other semi autos . Dumbass. Their point is that stopping guns is going to stop terrorists.

[SNAFU]

So we won't have to register IEDs ?

Also NY already has very restrictive handgun laws.
NY State permits don't cover NYC and vs versa

[palepainter]

Maybe they need to ban SUV's. Or perhaps a 3 day waiting period for purchase.

[Pistol Packing Preacher]

We need a three day waiting period for SUV purchases...

[Rant2]

[GreenScoutII]

Sometimes I wish the western and southern states would just succede from the union. Seriously, let the eastern seaboard and California do things their way and we'll do things our way. I just don't understand that back east mind set.

[CrufflerSteve]

We need a three day waiting period for SUV purchases...

[Rant2]


Nope. He had gasoline as a major part of the bomb. Waiting periods and background checks to buy gasoline. That'll stop terrorism. (and travel and the economy)

Steve

[StagLefty]

Maybe the 3 propane tanks were for a "Jihad BBQ". We are just too quick to jump to conclusions. [Help]

[palepainter]

So as more information pours in on this meeting at the Senate, they are wanting to ban anyone who is on the No-fly List from purchasing guns. Just wanted to clarify what has been debated. I do not have a problem with keeping No-flyers from buying guns, it is kind of like keeping Felons from purchasing as well. As long as they decide not to go further with it. Unfortunately, I feel that is their plan.

[rhineoshott]

Sometimes I wish the western and southern states would just succede from the union. Seriously, let the eastern seaboard and California do things their way and we'll do things our way. I just don't understand that back east mind set.

How about this?


http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167054915252_539750251_12449713_6042783 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)

[blackford76]

That map works for me.

[Batteriesnare]

I'm good with it too.

[ronaldrwl]

Do we have to have Oregon? Bunch of hippies. But overall it works for me also.

[cowboykjohnson]

Can we add Indiana to the south? I've spent some time there and they are gun toating rebels that just got moved north.

[Zundfolge]

I do not have a problem with keeping No-flyers from buying guns, it is kind of like keeping Felons from purchasing as well. As long as they decide not to go further with it. Unfortunately, I feel that is their plan.

So if you don't mind people on the No-fly list from purchasing guns would you care to explain to me how one ends up on the no-fly list? How one gets their name off of it if they're not there legitimately?

Remember, Ted Kennedy found himself bumped from a flight because he was on the no-fly list.


This is the same government who's Department of Homeland Security released a booklet detailing how gun owners, "constitutionalists" ,returning war veterans and tax protesters are "potential terrorists".

All they need to do is get their hands on a copy of the NRA member list and BAM we're all "prohibited persons" overnight.


Hell, as for keeping felons from buying guns ... I think you'd be amazed what minor crimes (and things you'd never think were crimes) are classified as felonies. I think you'd be amazed what innocent things you've done that could easily be construed into a felony.

[al_g]

Maybe the 3 propane tanks were for a "Jihad BBQ". We are just too quick to jump to conclusions. [Help]If the primary meat for this "Jihad BBQ" was supposed to be long pork I'm sure you are right!

[rhineoshott]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167105100252_539750251_12450866_4891710 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)

Hows this? I wanted to stay out of the Chicago area.

[rhineoshott]

Now we jes gotta start puttin up the fences!
http://www.unionagway.com/693100-09%20split%20rail%20fence.jpg

[rhineoshott]

MMMmm BBQ
http://www.ianmarshall.com/files/Southern_Soul_BBQ.JPG

[cowboykjohnson]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167105100252_539750251_12450866_4891710 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)

Hows this? I wanted to stay out of the Chicago area.
Looks good now!

[68Charger]

Remember, Ted Kennedy found himself bumped from a flight because he was on the no-fly list.


I know what you're saying here- but I would refuse to sell Ted a gun.. just had to say it..

[BigBear]

Now we jes gotta start puttin up the fences!
http://www.unionagway.com/693100-09%20split%20rail%20fence.jpg

Fixed for you:
http://www.macsfence.com/Pix/security2.jpg

Anyone notice anything wrong with this pic btw? (2 things)

(hint: junction box and fence base)

[Anton]

Hell, as for keeping felons from buying guns ... I think you'd be amazed what minor crimes (and things you'd never think were crimes) are classified as felonies. I think you'd be amazed what innocent things you've done that could easily be construed into a felony.

Don't forget Domestic Violence either. All it takes is a call. Felony convictions at least require evidence...

[iamhunter]

funny how everyone lumps nevada in with califonrnia...

all of nevada is extremely conservative/progun/etc. except for las vegas. Just cut out clark county and the rest is good :p

[ronaldrwl]

If we could just move Calif and OR to the east coast it would be so much better.

[Anton]

If we could just move Calif and OR to the east coast it would be so much better.

We could always hope Al Gore is right and the coasts will move themselves. [Wiggle]

[jason303]

How about this?


http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167054915252_539750251_12449713_6042783 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)


Nope. You're going to have to chop alot more states in half than that.

[Marlin]

Fixed for you:
http://www.macsfence.com/Pix/security2.jpg

Anyone notice anything wrong with this pic btw? (2 things)

(hint: junction box and fence base)


Well, unless the fence goes down into the dirt, it's not fastened on the bottom.. Not really seeing anything with the j-box though..

[TFOGGER]

I know what you're saying here- but I would refuse to sell Ted a gun.. just had to say it..

Or a car....

[sniper7]

How about this?


http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167054915252_539750251_12449713_6042783 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)


I would like to get rid of HI as well but retain visiting rights[Beer]

[ThunderSquirrel]

We can trade Hawaii for Vermont can't we?

[palepainter]

So if you don't mind people on the No-fly list from purchasing guns would you care to explain to me how one ends up on the no-fly list? How one gets their name off of it if they're not there legitimately?

Remember, Ted Kennedy found himself bumped from a flight because he was on the no-fly list.


This is the same government who's Department of Homeland Security released a booklet detailing how gun owners, "constitutionalists" ,returning war veterans and tax protesters are "potential terrorists".

All they need to do is get their hands on a copy of the NRA member list and BAM we're all "prohibited persons" overnight.


Hell, as for keeping felons from buying guns ... I think you'd be amazed what minor crimes (and things you'd never think were crimes) are classified as felonies. I think you'd be amazed what innocent things you've done that could easily be construed into a felony.

As you may have noticed in my post, I mentioned if they didnt find a way to take it any further. I agree that the way things have been going, they will find a way to get a whole bunch of us on no fly lists. For now, I have not had any problems flying.

[KevDen2005]

There is a senate hearing on the bombing attempt at times square. The NYC Mayor Bumburg is using it as a platform to pursuade the senate to install gun control. I think I am going to puke. The Police Chief Ray Kelly is describing incidents where weapons have been involved with Ak56's and other semi autos . Dumbass. Their point is that stopping guns is going to stop terrorists.


Thank God I live in the west. When I was stationed out there all I could think of is, God you are all such pussies....

[Zundfolge]

As you may have noticed in my post, I mentioned if they didnt find a way to take it any further. I agree that the way things have been going, they will find a way to get a whole bunch of us on no fly lists. For now, I have not had any problems flying.
I would argue that the PURPOSE of the proposed legislation is to "find a way to take it further".

[Irving]

... I think you'd be amazed what minor crimes (and things you'd never think were crimes) are classified as felonies. I think you'd be amazed what innocent things you've done that could easily be construed into a felony.

Stealing cable in certain places is a felony. There should be no such thing as a non-violent felony.


Looks like you can easily dig right under the fence in a few minutes. Also, I'm guessing the post with the camera makes it very easy to climb over the barbed wire.

[palepainter]

I would argue that the PURPOSE of the proposed legislation is to "find a way to take it further".

I wouldn't argue with you one bit there. Let's hope not.[Bang]

[clublights]

Stealing cable in certain places is a felony. There should be no such thing as a non-violent felony.


car theft?
burglary?

[TS12000]

Ah man but I have some land in MN

[Zundfolge]

car theft?
burglary?
I can see the point of non-violent felonies ... certainly what Bernie Madoff did should be on the level of a felony.

HOWEVER, I don't believe one should PERMANENTLY lose a constitutional right for a non-violent felony.

And frankly I wouldn't mind if the law barring violent felons from possessing arms going away. If you can be trusted out of jail, you should be trusted with all your rights (and its not like the laws against felons possessing arms does a damn thing to stop violent felons ... no its just the guy that screwed up in his youth and wrote a bad check that is unable to defend his family 20 years later).

[theGinsue]

Dumbass. Their point is that stopping guns is going to stop terrorists.

Well, they're almost right... A good high caliber "stopping gun" can certainly stop a terrorist (or two, or...)!

[Coffee]

[theGinsue]

Maybe the 3 propane tanks were for a "Jihad BBQ". We are just too quick to jump to conclusions. [Help]


Yeah, I'm guessing it wouldn't have been for pulled pork, or pork ribs, or pork sausage....

ETA:

If the primary meat for this "Jihad BBQ" was supposed to be long pork I'm sure you are right!
Dang, I'm coming into this rodeo a little late...again.

[theGinsue]

So as more information pours in on this meeting at the Senate, they are wanting to ban anyone who is on the No-fly List from purchasing guns. Just wanted to clarify what has been debated. I do not have a problem with keeping No-flyers from buying guns, it is kind of like keeping Felons from purchasing as well. As long as they decide not to go further with it. Unfortunately, I feel that is their plan.

Do you realize that there is an 8yo Cub Scout on the DHS Terrorist Wastch List, which includes the no-fly list? (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html))

How about the 4yo boy who shares a name with someone on the no-fly list so it has caused him grief in being able to fly to see his grandmother? (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10725741/)

My point is that the no-fly list has LOTS of folks on it that are due to mistakes by the government. Many (MANY!) others who are on it without truly valid reasons.

I'm not aware of ANYONE NOT getting put on the list until AFTER "due course" through the judicial system.

Of course, the government is looking for ANY reason it can come up with to ban anyone it can from owning/possessing a firearm. As individuals who claim to honor and respect our 2A rights, we should be the absolutely LAST people to support such blatant assaults on our liberties.

[CrufflerSteve]

theGinsue cuts to point. How do you get on the no-fly list? None of your business! Secret stuff not for us. Maybe your name is similar to some bad guy. Maybe you pissed off a fed. How do you get off the list when you have no rights to learn how you got on. I'm kind of old-fashioned and believe in due process and rule of law - not executive decree. If some grumpy white guys do an Oklahoma City extremists like GOA members, even NRA members, could be on all sorts of lists.

Steve

[theGinsue]

How about this?


http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs653.snc3/32286_10150167054915252_539750251_12449713_6042783 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11230639&id=539750251)

So long as we send all of the people from WA and OR down into CA - they've become infected too!

[theGinsue]

Hell, as for keeping felons from buying guns ... I think you'd be amazed what minor crimes (and things you'd never think were crimes) are classified as felonies. I think you'd be amazed what innocent things you've done that could easily be construed into a felony.

Right you are. But, it doesn't even have to be a felony to lose your gun rights...misdemeanor domestic assault loses your rights too. I thought I'd heard of another misdemeanor conviction that does it too, but I don't recall what is is right now. Keep in mind that about a month and a half ago I was almost arrested for a felony menacing charge for just standing in my own yard quietly with a root beer, flashlight (not turned on) and closed expandable baton.

ETA:
Don't forget Domestic Violence either. All it takes is a call. Felony convictions at least require evidence...
Here's another party I arrived late for. Good call Anton.

[theGinsue]

I know what you're saying here- but I would refuse to sell Ted a gun.. just had to say it..

Gun? Heck, I would have been more afraid of selling him a CAR!

ETA:
Or a car....
Dang it!

[Irving]

The more I think about the no-fly list, the more I'm disturbed by it. What is it exactly?

If you've committed a crime that makes the US not trust you to fly, then you shouldn't be allowed in the country anymore, or should be in prison right? I kind of view it the same way I feel about felons not having their full rights. If you're not in jail, then you should have your full rights. Is the no-fly list supposed to prevent another 9/11? Is it supposed to stop people from fleeing? What is the purpose exactly?

[Elhuero]

It's a list of people who the govt doesn't trust to not be terrorists and try and hijack the flight they're on.

Very McCarthyish.

But then so is the patriot act.

However, all the outrage and complaint from the left over patriot ended the day Obama was elected. In one evening it went from a tool of a fascist dummkoph to an important part of keeping us safe.