View Full Version : Video of Swat raid in Columbia MO
nogaroheli
05-07-2010, 09:56
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc&feature=player_embedded#!
So the police say they had information that this guy was a drug dealer and that the kid wasn't at home. They knock on the door and give the guy <10 seconds to answer before kicking it in (if it's dark out, I take a while to get to answer the door as well). Once in the house they shoot and kill one dog in front of the family. And in the end they find that the guy has a pipe and a small bag of weed. The dad gets arrested and charged with drug related charges as well as child endangerment.
Stories like this seem to be getting more popular. The police claim to have information, then use a ton of force (maybe shooting a dog could be considered excessive force?), and once all goes down they realize their info was "not completely correct". In the end the officers get a slap on the wrist. I know LEOs have to be ready for any situation, and there's probably a lot going on behind the scenes, but that seems wrong, where's the accountability?
I would be livid if that happened to my family. I'm also afraid that if somebody kicked in the front door and started shooting it would end badly for both of us.
Does anybody else have the same take on this as me? What are your thoughts on this?
That's just sad. It's really disturbing to know how frequently these things happen. Dumb MOTHER$%#*&^ getting the wrong house and blaming it on misinformation. And you have to sit there and take it up the ass being a law abiding citizen. Yes I know in this case they were probably far from law abiding. But the cases of no knock raids and completely getting the wrong house?
And shooting the dog was excessive. What dog isn't going to bark when someone storms in your house. I didn't even hear the thing growling.
If someone kicks down my door during night hours it will be bad for everyone in the room.
Edited: I think a little compassion and politeness would go a long way when it comes to LEO and civilian interaction. There were "wrongs" on both sides. Can't say much due to poor operation of Mr. Camera-man.
Shoot my dog and I WILL kill you whether I'm in cuffs or not.
Thank God I don't have to make those descisions.
This isn't the first time this has happened. The police have shot and killed people in the wrong house before with ZERO accountability. The police have also been shot and killed when entering the wrong house, and the shooter was charged with murder. Totally unacceptable.
The percentage of wrong addresses may be low, but the consequences are very huge. Maybe the police should ask the local pizza delivery guy to assist if they are unsure where someone lives. Hell, I think it'd work better if they had an undercover disguise themselves as a door to door (anything) and get the person to answer the door first (at least try) and see if the undercover can get a positive ID on the suspect. That's at least worth a shot and doesn't seem like it'd be very risky for the undercover. How often do you hear about door to door sales people being gunned down?
Delfuego
05-07-2010, 10:57
Uuuuggghh....
I wish i had not what that this morning.
I have a big mouth and lots of opinions.
But today I will leave it at: Uuuughhh! Really?
Why get outraged? Nothing new here.
Those officers would have shot the wife and kid as well if they had felt "in danger" enough.
If someone kicked my door in and shot my dog, then asked me what my name was, I'd be pretty pissed.
If someone kicked my door in and shot my dog, then asked me what my name was, I'd be pretty pissed.
I'm not trying to talk big or whatever, but definitely a +1. They'd have to tranq me or something to get me under control after shooting my dog...
My dog is an absolutely wonderful creature... For all intensive purposes, he is my son.
Does that mean I'm an old dog? HAHA.
iamhunter
05-07-2010, 12:31
shot your CAGED dog.
I'm not trying to talk big or whatever, but definitely a +1. They'd have to tranq me or something to get me under control after shooting my dog...
My dog is an absolutely wonderful creature... For all intensive purposes, he is my son.
Does that mean I'm an old dog? HAHA.
I don't think that's talking big at all. I believe any real man will do what is neccessary to protect all the family members/loved ones of the house, no matter who comes knocking.
I don't think that's talking big at all. I believe any real man will do what is neccessary to protect all the family members/loved ones of the house, no matter who comes knocking.
Thank you Sir. Here's Buddy Boy:
Dude that's an awesome pic. My kids are going to get a kick out of that. Every time our girl has pups my daughter tucks them into her dollhouse beds. lol
I'm surprised they didn't ask the guy what he was doing up so early anyway.
Dude that's an awesome pic. My kids are going to get a kick out of that. Every time our girl has pups my daughter tucks them into her dollhouse beds. lol
Believe it or not but ever since he was a puppy he refused to sleep unless he had some sort of pillow and a blanket. He would always paw at the covers until he got under them. So one day my wife (girlfriend at the time) decided to "tuck him in" complete with the stuffed animal and he fell asleep like that and never even moved. She had to take a pic.
He's a wonderful dog. Completely trained in every aspect.
Here he is posing for the camera:
One more of him and the neighbors dog: (He looks sad cause he thinks he's in trouble. I had to raise my voice to get them both to stand still, Charolette is SUPER active)
KevDen2005
05-07-2010, 13:12
I have no way of determining what is actually happen other than the retarded youtube comments. I must have missed the actual news story or report somewhere.
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2010, 13:14
Lets face it the Government is out of control. This same thing happened in Titusville ,FL. Swat team barged in, kid had a pipe and some pot. Dad was sleeping in a bedroom by the hall, he saw a masked intruder run by the door. Shot him with a lil .25 auto. Bullet got the guy under the arm, killed him. He was a SWAT officer. Jury trial found the Dad not guilty. Couldn't they just wait until people are on the street? Just like Waco, they could have picked up David Koresh on the street. Seems the three branches of Government are military, corporate & Hollywood! When you arrest someone by invading their house, home team has advantage. One day some crazy will be waiting with a case of dynamite... and we the taxpayers will have to pay the widows pensions.
I wish we had some leaders with common sense. District Attorney's with politcal agendas and people like Janet Reno really scare me. God save us all from the likes of the Washington government crowd and their ilk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titusville_Police_Department
BushMasterBoy
05-07-2010, 13:29
more details according to Titusville Police Department...this story made me think back to my time in Florida
http://www.titusville.com/Page.asp?NavID=103
iamhunter
05-07-2010, 13:33
Seriously, are they to stupid to figure out a way to get these people out of the house?
Hell, I bet if they would've knocked on the door in broad daylight and asked the guy to leave while they executed the warrant, it would've been fine.
Why do they have to bust down his door in the middle of the night?
It's just ridiculous.
Zundfolge
05-07-2010, 13:45
These paramilitary raids in the dark of night do NOTHING but make the jobs of the police harder by reducing the public's confidence in the police for killing innocent people (and dogs).
You can't tell me that scenes like this are a worthwhile cost just to keep idiots from having easy access to pot (especially when this doesn't stop the pot).
You can't tell me that doubling the number of potheads in our culture would be worse than scenes like this playing out all over the place.
There is simply zero reason for this.
These paramilitary raids in the dark of night do NOTHING but make the jobs of the police harder by reducing the public's confidence in the police for killing innocent people (and dogs).
You can't tell me that scenes like this are a worthwhile cost just to keep idiots from having easy access to pot (especially when this doesn't stop the pot).
You can't tell me that doubling the number of potheads in our culture would be worse than scenes like this playing out all over the place.
There is simply zero reason for this.
you are banned from coptalk!
Constitution
05-07-2010, 14:35
what big bear said! This is really wrong. Obviously with big banks completely taking over and establishing police states and completely demolishing the constitution. This is madness and chaos and its only starting. Have you ever heard of a police tactic called kettling. Military and police use this. Basically pressure and surround the people until they boil over and then that allows for action to be takin. Same thing happening with big bankers and the American people. For gods sake look at what Greece is going through. those people are really standing up to these crooks.
Ummm,, Big banks? You have the tinfoil on a little tight?
SA Friday
05-07-2010, 18:12
Ummm,, Big banks? You have the tinfoil on a little tight?
Concur. Seems to be effecting his grammer too.[Coffee]
HBARleatherneck
05-07-2010, 19:04
i would hate to think how something like this would end at my house.
1 combat vet...check
2 PTSD............check
3 firearm with taclight 1 foot from my head...check
4 plan in place to respond to intruders, while protecting my 5 kids and wife, in my house at night...check
5 not knowing its a cop or a burglar and shooting anyway...not a great thing. no happy ending for anyone. fortunatley, i dont think our county is quite the jack booted thugs.......yet anyway.
when I got out of the Corps I did some bail enforcement, we would get all kinds of people out of thier houses. easy. and the tricks are not new.
we went to the thrift store and got ups shirts, pizza delivery shirts. that shit works. and nobody got hurt....well mostly.
i should point out. i do nothing that should bring this sort of thing on my self. i am in no way involved in anything illegal. but i was talking more about misinformation and wrong addresses. and its not a cop hater statement. just dont want anyone breaking in, in the middle of the night.
seriously, these people go to the store, movies, mailbox....too many people forgeting that death is permanent and life is fragile.
ronaldrwl
05-07-2010, 19:16
I'm sorry, I hate the police. I have people in my family on the force and I have respect for them and the officers I know but that's it.
palepainter
05-07-2010, 21:34
I have alot of respect for what our LEO deal with daily, but in all honesty, anyone popping my door in the middle of the night is in for a big surprise. I don't care if you are yelling police or not, how is a guy to know? I guess I am baffled as to why they felt the need to serve that warrant in the middle of the night. Did they do enough surveillance to realize that they had dogs, kids, and a woman in the house? Couldn't they have used better discretion to make things safer for all parties involved including the officers? Really a bad scene that could have ended a lot worse.
Clearly it was a hostage situation and someone was in immediate damage and action needed to be taken immediately.
Oh wait, you mean no one was in immediate damage?
trlcavscout
05-07-2010, 22:53
WTF is wrong with those dumb MFers? They should all be sent to jail. That kind of behavior makes you wish they would have been gunned down going through the door. I respect most cops but that is crap!
I do like how after kicking the door in, shooting the dog and scareing everyone they ask what his name is. I hope they get what they deserve in the end.
theGinsue
05-09-2010, 23:16
what big bear said! This is really wrong. Obviously with big banks completely taking over and establishing police states and completely demolishing the constitution. This is madness and chaos and its only starting. Have you ever heard of a police tactic called kettling. Military and police use this. Basically pressure and surround the people until they boil over and then that allows for action to be takin. Same thing happening with big bankers and the American people. For gods sake look at what Greece is going through. those people are really standing up to these crooks.
The technique was attempted on me for standing in my own front yard back in March. Here's the link to the thread:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21666&highlight=pissed
theGinsue
05-09-2010, 23:21
I do like how after kicking the door in, shooting the dog and scareing everyone they ask what his name is. I hope they get what they deserve in the end.
Yeah, I think my response might have been something to the effect of "You've got the damned warrant, why don't you tell me who the f%$& I am?!
Sadly, even if they had found nothing in the home and later verified that they had the wrond home, just for not telling them his name they could have charged (and convicted) him of (a) Obstruction of an investigation (b) Obstruction of justice, and (c) Interference with a police officer... I'm sure there's a heck of a lot more they could charge him with too such as resisting arrest..didn't you notice that he didn't get his arms behind his back quick enough (for heavens sake, they gave him a whole second and a half!) for the officer - the officer had to kick the suspects arms....he was obviously resisting.
I'd not be surprised if over the course of the next year, lots of Columbia, MO cops' dogs get shot.
I saw this first on another forum (Gun and Game), and it was in Omaha. And, oh my, how the LEO's on that board jumped to defend the Terror Team's actions. I think it's bullshit. Somebody shoots one of my dogs for barking at him, there's gonna be blood and tears.
KevDen2005
05-10-2010, 15:32
I threw this out there a few pages ago and no one responded so I will again...
Does anyone have any information on the actual location and what the raid was really for other than the dipshit comments on youtube?
Neg, Kev. I do not. Probably didn't get an answer as no one does.
nogaroheli
05-10-2010, 17:14
I threw this out there a few pages ago and no one responded so I will again...
Does anyone have any information on the actual location and what the raid was really for other than the dipshit comments on youtube?
Here's an update from the local newspaper:
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2010/05/06/update-swat-raid-prompts-police-review-policies/
This may be my ever increasing pessimism kicking in, but I have a little doubt that the pot they "found" was even his. It wouldn't be the first time cops jacked up on adrenaline planted evidence.
This pisses me off. They take someone else's word as truth, wait 8 days, break in and kill the family dog in front of the kid and they police chief says "Yep, that's what we do, we shoot dogs. We wouldn't have to deal with this headache if we'd just shot a person (based on incorrect info, because our power is completely unchecked)..."
[Mad]
Oh man, those comments are killing me.
Like the guy who said he notified PETA and Nancy Grace about the dog getting shot. Notifying PETA is just the same as notifying the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). Then that poster ended his rant with "nuff said!"
Yeah, I'll say. Please never post on the web again.
Zundfolge
05-10-2010, 18:30
What this all boils down to is that it is time for the citizenry to stand up and DEMAND the elimination of 95%+ of "SWAT" activities by their local police department.
There is zero reason for these kind of raids even if was a serious drug dealer with several bales of pot in his basement.
This whole business of shouting "Search Warrant" twice at people that are dead asleep at oh-dark-thirty and than taking the fact that they haven't quickly and politely opened the door in 3 seconds to invited the officers in to look around (and maybe brew them a pot of coffee) as a pretext to kick the door in and run in shooting has just got to stop.
Its going to get innocent people (and dogs) killed.
Its going to get good cops killed.
Its going to erode the public's trust and confidence in the police and the law (which is the most dangerous aspect as that's one of the link pins of civilization).
Its NOT going to stop the bad people from doing the bad stuff.
Frankly I don't believe that Law Enforcement should be exempt from the NFA and the 86 FOPA closure of the MG registry either, but that's the whole "we need to demilitarize the popo" rant.
GunTroll
05-10-2010, 18:41
Oh man! I just lost my best friend last fall. That dog was blood as far as I'm concerned. I'll give it to the home occupant for not losing it. He made some wise choices in not speaking his name. It should help him in court.
I know the LEO policy on here but the vast majority of these type of LEO's are overweight donut eatin' want to be military but couldn't make it due to lard ass syndrome. These swat types are the worst. They may have their purpose but this wasn't it. Losers! I hope they lose a K9 partner one day or worse!
I have authority problems! FUCK COPS like these!
ChunkyMonkey
05-10-2010, 19:57
.. and yet each one of you would dial 911 when it comes to it. I am not on cops side -- but I would never generalized anything! The following is the press conference by the police chief btw...
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/multimedia/audio/2010/05/06/burton-mcdavid-speak-press-about-swat-raid/
ronaldrwl
05-10-2010, 20:25
+1 Zundfoige
911. BS. That's good for when you need a police report started. So they can start finding a way to blame you. LEO - lardass power seeking control freak that can't do anything else except abuse their power. Serve & Protect? What a joke. Anybody feel protected?
Zundfolge
05-10-2010, 20:43
911. BS. That's good for when you need a police report started. So they can start finding a way to blame you.
No doubt ... most of my negative attitude toward the police comes from calling 911 and then dealing with the schmuck sent out to "help" me.
Last time I dealt with the police was for a stolen gun ... the cop spent all his time investigating ME for "filing a false complaint" ... even had me come in and take a poly (which I passed with flying colors) then he decided to actually investigate the crime of a stolen firearm (even then he never talked to the prime suspect). Oh well, the paperwork he spent a few minutes scribbling together was useful in getting my insurance claim processed so he wasn't COMPLETELY useless.
The actually officers are put into a tough situation in scenarios like this. I don't know how it works, but I'm assuming that they can't just tell their boss, "Nah, I'm not really into doing raids." They are told to do a raid, then, they pretty much have to treat it like it is a big deal because there is always the chance that it WILL be a big deal, and thinking twice about niceties and stuff could get them or their buds killed. Kind of like how it doesn't matter if you agree with the war you're in, you still protect your fellow soldiers however you can.
The article DID say that the SWAT team was all volunteer (which was a TERRIBLE excuse for the tardiness of the warrant by the way), but still, you do what you are told in order to keep your job. Of course that doesn't mean that there aren't guys who are jerks like people are describing. I'd guess the quiet ones are the ones who wouldn't go about it that way if given the choice.
Big difference, IMO, between SWAT Teams and Terror Teams. The latter seems to be taking over though.
KevDen2005
05-11-2010, 00:21
Here's an update from the local newspaper:
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2010/05/06/update-swat-raid-prompts-police-review-policies/
This may be my ever increasing pessimism kicking in, but I have a little doubt that the pot they "found" was even his. It wouldn't be the first time cops jacked up on adrenaline planted evidence.
This pisses me off. They take someone else's word as truth, wait 8 days, break in and kill the family dog in front of the kid and they police chief says "Yep, that's what we do, we shoot dogs. We wouldn't have to deal with this headache if we'd just shot a person (based on incorrect info, because our power is completely unchecked)..."
[Mad]
Well I think the planting evidence comment is a little out of control and offensive to all the cops on here.
Next I am not saying they should have done this, however they may have had little control from whomever ordered them to do this. I also don't necessarily agree with the dog getting shot, however, I didn't see if the dog was biting any of the officers or not since it didn't happen on the film. Yes, I absolutely would be pissed off at any organization who beat down my door, and if it was a wrongful warrant raid you can bet your ass that I would be suing the crap out of that city. If it was me it would be known as Kevinville, MO after I was done...but once again, I have no idea what their warrant was for, and what information came before that. Those officers may have been going off of really good information to get the warrant, everyone here does understand that warrants have to be approved by a judge right?
What a god awful sound that poor dog made[Help]... My two boys(2 black labs) came rushing into the room with major concern. There must be another way to restrain animals... Ten SWAT members VS. 1 dog, shoot the dog. Come on gentleman.[Bang]
nogaroheli
05-11-2010, 08:42
Well I think the planting evidence comment is a little out of control and offensive to all the cops on here.
Didn't mean to get "out of control" there and I'm not trying to bash on all cops. LEO's on here please forgive me if that's how it came across. However, if these cops have prepared to start shooting just after entry I wonder what what else they prepared for.
Like I said I have "A little" doubt, maybe you read that I have "little" doubt which would be completely different?
This is what made me think the weed *may* not have been the father's...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6aOM4Xq5gs&feature=player_embedded
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