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SNAFU
05-14-2010, 13:43
I read through all this,it is just for export import so far ,right?


While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.



OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT

AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE could BE WAR


On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a

Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States


On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.


Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

THIS IS NOT A JOKE NOR A FALSE WARNING.

As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here


Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015




Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!

Irving
05-14-2010, 13:46
From what I understand, this doesn't really affect us as citizens. I think it more has to do with countries buying and selling arms to each other. Not necessarily importing for the private market. That's just the impression that I got though.

Marlin
05-14-2010, 13:50
ALL Treaties still have to be ratified by the senate. (At least for the time being.) So even obungo couldn't "backdoor" something through. (Yet.)

BigBear
05-14-2010, 13:52
*Talking to myself* - Control the blood pressure, control the blood pressure....

BadShot
05-14-2010, 13:54
And Secretary Clinton can sign away the entire country, but until the Senate Ratifies a treaty, it don't mean sheit. If something like this is ratified, you can bet your last pair of clean undies that ever pro-gun group in the country will file suite and that will run up to the Supreme Court, at the very least during that process ratification would be held in limbo and there is no way the SC with the conservative majority will support a treaty like this.

There are a few more loopholes in the ratification of treaties and their application and affect on US law, but I don't have time to dig them up.

Also without reading the actual treaty, snippets and inference is really not worth raising the blood pressure

BigBear
05-14-2010, 13:56
Also without reading the actual treaty, snippets and inference is really not worth raising the blood pressure

Rgr... don't you ever feel like there are pot shots coming from every side (i.e. immigration, racism, religion/tolerance, rights, etc) and that underneath all these hit and runs, there is something far deeper/darker going on? I do....

I know: "Put on the tinfoil Bear....."

SNAFU
05-14-2010, 14:04
From what I understand, this doesn't really affect us as citizens. I think it more has to do with countries buying and selling arms to each other. Not necessarily importing for the private market. That's just the impression that I got though.


That's how I read it too.

Hoosier
05-14-2010, 14:52
Short term memory anyone?

http://co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18116&highlight=idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Reuters post is from Oct 9th... I searched for the article identifier on this site to find the previous thread.

jim02
05-14-2010, 15:02
Now I have not seen the text of the treaty and if its only for small arms trade then it should not effect our personal arms but if the text includes the small arms bans they have talked about in the past then we will have a problem and the fight on this will be over the interpretation of the underlined portion of Article 5 of the US Constitution. (see below for the referance)

Some say that this means any treaty the Fed's sign can overwrite the US Constitution and others believe the words as they are written, that this is talking about States and the States Constitution and not the US Constitution.

Article. VI.
All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

jake
05-14-2010, 15:15
Short term memory anyone?

http://co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18116&highlight=idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

Reuters post is from Oct 9th... I searched for the article identifier on this site to find the previous thread.
Yep, I got my UN appointment letter today. When I listed all of my guns in the relevant space on the census form they told me they would let me know when they were coming to collect them :D

BadShot
05-14-2010, 15:56
Rgr... don't you ever feel like there are pot shots coming from every side (i.e. immigration, racism, religion/tolerance, rights, etc) and that underneath all these hit and runs, there is something far deeper/darker going on? I do....

I know: "Put on the tinfoil Bear....."

Oh no, I agree with ya man... continual erosion of our country and the beliefs it was founded on. Just think this particular "treaty" is just not a particular threat in reality right now. Plus I've got these really great pain killers right now.. really helps.. for the most part [Bang]

iamhunter
05-14-2010, 16:26
this treaty thing has been going around for a while..

theGinsue
05-17-2010, 22:31
Rgr... don't you ever feel like there are pot shots coming from every side (i.e. immigration, racism, religion/tolerance, rights, etc) and that underneath all these hit and runs, there is something far deeper/darker going on? I do....

I know: "Put on the tinfoil Bear....."

While I agree that the OT here isn't new, it, along with everything else you bring up IS something deeper and darker going on. What we know as the good ole days are long gone. It's only going to get worse. Y'all better strap yourselves in, we're in for a rough ride.