MARINE on trial for 'murdering' a gang member.

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_15057503


Marine testifies in murder trial of Iraq war veteran

By Thomas Himes Staff Writer
Posted: 05/10/2010 06:57:01 PM PDT

POMONA - A Marine took the witness stand Monday in the trial of an Iraq war veteran accused of killing a 19-year-old gang member during a shootout in Valinda.

Carlos Chavira, a former Marine who served two combat tours in Ramadi, Iraq, has been charged with murdering Walter Zomoza in a shootout on Feb. 10, 2009.

Fellow rifle platoon member Ritchie Hatch testified Chavira remained mild tempered despite the cramped living conditions and ongoing combat that angered other Marines.

"I can legitimately say I don't remember him ever being angry," Hatch said. "We all like to rub each other the wrong way a little ... everyone blew up at least once, except (Chavira)."



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What a BS...! 3 gang members approached his vehicle in a gas station and shot him on the shoulder. The Marine fired back with his legal sidearm and killed one of the attackers. Now he is on murder trial! [Bang]

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_15089319




Witness to Valinda shootout says gang members shot first

By Thomas Himes, Staff Writer
Posted: 05/14/2010 05:19:01 PM PDT

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POMONA - A witness to the Valinda shootout that left a gang member dead and a former Marine charged with his murder testified Friday the gang members shot first.

Cinthia Cisneros testified she was standing about 10 feet away when three gang members opened fire on Carlos Chavira.

Chavira, a former Marine and Iraq war veteran, is charged with murder and two counts of attempted murder stemming from the Feb. 10, 2009 shootout.



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[Irving]

California. /thread

[splogan]

Well I have not read everything but if he was fired on first and killed the guy and is now on charges it exemplifies what is wrong with California. Can we please annex them from the union now, they can even have the president and we will find another.

[Roger]

In a perverted sense, this is good for the Marine.

Back in the early 80's all police officers that were in gun fights were charged. If you killed someone you were charged with murder. They did not just choose to press charges or not. The case was presented to the grand jury and they decided. If they were on your side they returned a no true bill. Or you went to trial. If you got a no true bill, or were found not guilty, then it could never be brought up again. At least not criminally. So it was done.

That meant that it could not be held against you in any future promotional exams, or internal investigations. And the DA looked good for not ignoring it or just giving you a pass.

So, if they charge him and he is found not guilty, in a sense, its better for him then them deciding not to press charges at all. And the local government won't get torched for not charging him. Or just sweeping it under the rug so to speak.

[TS12000]

In a perverted sense, this is good for the Marine.

Back in the early 80's all police officers that were in gun fights were charged. If you killed someone you were charged with murder. They did not just choose to press charges or not. The case was presented to the grand jury and they decided. If they were on your side they returned a no true bill. Or you went to trial. If you got a no true bill, or were found not guilty, then it could never be brought up again. At least not criminally. So it was done.

That meant that it could not be held against you in any future promotional exams, or internal investigations. And the DA looked good for not ignoring it or just giving you a pass.

So, if they charge him and he is found not guilty, in a sense, its better for him then them deciding not to press charges at all. And the local government won't get torched for not charging him. Or just sweeping it under the rug so to speak.

Unless a jury of brainwashed Commiefornians find him guilty then there is a shitstorm for all involved.

[palepainter]

In a perverted sense, this is good for the Marine.

Back in the early 80's all police officers that were in gun fights were charged. If you killed someone you were charged with murder. They did not just choose to press charges or not. The case was presented to the grand jury and they decided. If they were on your side they returned a no true bill. Or you went to trial. If you got a no true bill, or were found not guilty, then it could never be brought up again. At least not criminally. So it was done.

That meant that it could not be held against you in any future promotional exams, or internal investigations. And the DA looked good for not ignoring it or just giving you a pass.

So, if they charge him and he is found not guilty, in a sense, its better for him then them deciding not to press charges at all. And the local government won't get torched for not charging him. Or just sweeping it under the rug so to speak.

That procedure makes sense in order to keep Cali from being liable due to the fact that the LEO is a state, local employee. But in this case, the guy is a former Marine. Curious as to how this will work out.

[low drag]

In a perverted sense, this is good for the Marine.

Back in the early 80's all police officers that were in gun fights were charged. If you killed someone you were charged with murder. They did not just choose to press charges or not. The case was presented to the grand jury and they decided. If they were on your side they returned a no true bill. Or you went to trial. If you got a no true bill, or were found not guilty, then it could never be brought up again. At least not criminally. So it was done.

That meant that it could not be held against you in any future promotional exams, or internal investigations. And the DA looked good for not ignoring it or just giving you a pass.

So, if they charge him and he is found not guilty, in a sense, its better for him then them deciding not to press charges at all. And the local government won't get torched for not charging him. Or just sweeping it under the rug so to speak.

Read the entire article. The Marine is still in jail pending $2 million bail.
Cop/jailer stated gun was semi-auto, gun taking off Marine in ER was revolver, no mention of caliber (stupid) and said officer stated Marine shot first.
Simple self defense shooting with a California twist, we mere citizens dare not defend ourselves from thugs.

[KevDen2005]

Too bad he didn't kill all three gang members

[ToliXD]

+1 [Beer]

[GreenScoutII]

#1. I pray this Marine will be acquitted of all charges.

#2. I've long believed the best way to deal with predatory gang members like these is to do what we've always done with an over population of a dangerous predator. Put a bounty on the fuckers.

#3. Whatever cowardly piece of shit district attorney who decided to prosecute this Marine should be immediately fired at a minumum.

[TS12000]

#1. I pray this Marine will be acquitted of all charges.

#2. I've long believed the best way to deal with predatory gang members like these is to do what we've always done with an over population of a dangerous predator. Put a bounty on the fuckers.

#3. Whatever cowardly piece of shit district attorney who decided to prosecute this Marine should be immediately fired at a minumum.

+1

[jackmode9316]

What is the saying?
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6?"

[Troublco]

#1. I pray this Marine will be acquitted of all charges.

#2. I've long believed the best way to deal with predatory gang members like these is to do what we've always done with an over population of a dangerous predator. Put a bounty on the fuckers.

#3. Whatever cowardly piece of shit district attorney who decided to prosecute this Marine should be immediately fired at a minumum.


Amen, brother!

[ChunkyMonkey]

In a perverted sense, this is good for the Marine.


Too bad meanwhile he is in jail and spending money that he doesnt have on lawyer fee etc. Judge decided there is enough evidence for Jury to hear - that's the bad part for him!

[theGinsue]

we mere citizens dare not defend ourselves from thugs.

This is one of the biggest things wrong with our society these days.


What is the saying?
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6?"

Jackmode!!!! Good to see you. Been missing you here. I hopr this means that we'll start to see a lot more of you again.

[jackmode9316]

Thanks! I'm actually moving to The Peoples Republic of Kalfornee here in a few days, and this Marine Case makes me especially worried.

One good thing about the move is that I will be in a somewhat rural area, and wont have any problem getting range time all to myself with just about as much distance to my target as I can handle. Of course not being able to have very cool guns or being able to actually defend myself with them kind of puts a damper on things, but still.

[Anton]

Its been pretty clear for some time now that worthless human crap is more important to California's government (and the Federal government) than people who contribute to society (particularly people who spent years of their life serving our nation). The fact that they chose to charge him is outrageous but not surprising.

[TFOGGER]

#1. I pray this Marine will be acquitted of all charges.

#2. I've long believed the best way to deal with predatory gang members like these is to do what we've always done with an over population of a dangerous predator. Put a bounty on the fuckers.

#3. Whatever cowardly piece of shit district attorney who decided to prosecute this Marine should be immediately Air dropped into a hot zone in Afghanistan at a minumum.

fixed

[jim02]

Typical CA b.s. criminals have the upper hand and if they dont win on the streets the courts will do what they can to help them win the war.

[cleaner72]

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_15122321?source=rss

[palepainter]

Good to hear the Jurors had common sense.

[ChunkyMonkey]

+1.. I say prosecute the prosecutors who put conviction ratio and their careers above the truth and facts.

[theGinsue]

Fantastic outcome. Let's just hope that he can move on with his life and this whole bit of nastiness doesn't follow him his whole life.

Personally, I'd get the heck out of wherever he now lives. He's been acquitted of killing a GANG member. What do you suppose the gang isn't looking too fondly on his release from jail?

[Irving]

They should set up a memorial at the gas station.

[theGinsue]

I'm sure the taxpayers have already funded a memorial for the poor misunderstood social club member who was killed -- all while that viscious war mongering, blood-thirsty Marine who obviously didn't get enough killing and baby kicking while he was in uniform sat where he should have been - in jail.

[TS12000]

I would be moving regardless if it was a gang member or not. Would you want to live where you were wrongfully held and prosecuted for seven months when all you did was protect yourself from a bunch of hoodlums?