Obama to send 1200 troops

[ToliXD]

It's a ok start.[M2]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100525/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_national_guard_border

[BigBear]

"The National Guard troops will work on intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support, analysis and training, and support efforts to block drug trafficking. They will temporarily supplement Border Patrol agents until Customs and Border Protection can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border, an administration official said."

Looks like they'll just be babysitting... Hope not, but sure sounds like it. Maybe a smart move, but I'm thinking it may be a hollow move to alleviate some pressures that Obozo is under from both sides of the political isle.

[robsterclaw]

Maybe a smart move, but I'm thinking it may be a hollow move to alleviate some pressures that Obozo is under from both sides of the political isle.

Na, I think it's to appease Calderon, and kiss up to Mexico. He doesn't give a hoot about our opinion in America.

[ToliXD]

[ I'm thinking it may be a hollow move to alleviate some pressures that Obozo is under from both sides of the political isle.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly, Bear.

[68Charger]

This is the most disturbing paragraph- it's the Mexican Embassy that needs a reality check


The Mexican Embassy said Tuesday it hoped the National Guard troops would be used to fight drug cartels and not enforce immigration laws. Mexico has traditionally objected to the use of military forces to control undocumented migration, saying such measures would criminalize migrants and open the way for potential abuse.
"criminalize migrants?" they're already criminals, entering the country illegally

[BigBear]

Na, I think it's to appease Calderon, and kiss up to Mexico. He doesn't give a hoot about our opinion in America.


I don't know, didn't Calderon say something along the lines of "America should just let in every Mexican who wants to enter" blah blah blah? I don't think putting National Guard on the border would appease him.

[Brassie]

Would it be unreasonable to ask for another 1200 troops on the Colorado border? Ah never mind... maybe after the Nov elections

[cebeu]

Political maneuvering, nothing more…this ass-clown masquerading as the POTUS has absolutely no sincere commitment to immigration policy tuning or legitimate border control. Jane Brewer has a bigger pair than Oba’Mao and she is managing to her constituency’s expectations and the needs of AZ, something our government refuses to do. She’s making ‘Mao (and the entire Administration) look like the buffoon he is and forcing the hand of the left (nice work Jane).

I’m still seething at the disgusting sight of those Dem f**** standing-up and applauding that external twat pissing on AZ last week, what an embarrassment this leftist party is.

Here’s the “real” ‘Mao (and socialist party) in action for AZ… DOJ Lawyers Draft Challenge to AZ Law (http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/05/25/doj-lawyers-draft-challenge-to-az-law/)

“…the Justice Department's Civil Division, which oversees the majority of immigration enforcement issues for the department, has drafted a "civil complaint" that would be filed in federal court in Arizona, sources said.
The draft complaint challenges the Arizona law as unconstitutional, saying it is illegal because it impedes federal law, according to the sources,…”

[Marlin]

"How" does it "impede" the federal law?


IT'S THE SAME THING, JUST ABLE TO ENFORCE IT ON THE STATE LEVEL.




[Bang]

[theGinsue]

"How" does it "impede" the federal law?

IT'S THE SAME THING, JUST ABLE TO ENFORCE IT ON THE STATE LEVEL.

[Bang]

Exactly! From what I get out of reading it, not only does it NOT impede federal law, it augments it with state level support.


"The regulation of our borders and the immigration that occurs by crossing our borders is something that is inherently something I believe for the national government to take responsibility for."

So, states get absolutely NO say in who/what gets to come into their state? Not like this is new to me - I recall states trying to prohibit the feds from storing hazardous material (I think it was nuclear waste) and garbage within their borders; the states lost.

[Bailey Guns]

Obama's a douchebag. This is strictly political posturing. If anything comes of this that actually causes a federal immigration law and/or drug laws to be enforced (which would be illegal if performed by NG troops, wouldn't it?) it'll be strictly by accident.

[BigBear]

"How" does it "impede" the federal law?


IT'S THE SAME THING, JUST ABLE TO ENFORCE IT ON THE STATE LEVEL.




[Bang]


Easy Answer: It doesn't, Feds just want the credit for it. A state standing up for itself is a no-go in our nanny nation, regardless of the contents of the bill/law.

i.e. "How DARE AZ think they can do a better job at protecting themselves than the Feds can!!"

[TS12000]

Talk about standing on both sides of the fence,

"AZ you are racists for supporting a bill like this."
and
"Look guys, we're doing something at least (not really though)"

Also, if half your countrymen are ready to leave your country at any time to come here legally or illegally shouldn't that suggest you need to focus on your own fucking problems (hint..hint..Calderon)? Maybe if we had a person leading this country that wasn't an asshat and could stand up and say "We are not your fucking human trashbin, where you can dump as many of your malcontents as you can push across the border" then maybe we could curb this drain on the American life.

[theGinsue]

If anything comes of this that actually causes a federal immigration law and/or drug laws to be enforced (which would be illegal if performed by NG troops, wouldn't it?) it'll be strictly by accident.

The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniformed_services_of_the_United_States) (today the Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army), Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy), Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force), and State National Guard forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_the_United_States) when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_agency_powers), police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police), or peace officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officer) powers that maintain "law and order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order_(politics))" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States. (Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act).

The question needing to be asked, is there a zone along the border which is officially "federal" (versus state, county, or local) property?

Also, the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Warner_National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for _Fiscal_Year_2007) (H.R. 5122 (http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.109hr5122)), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act#cite_note-2)
Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

Based on what I hear of this new challenge to the AZ law, it sounds like the fed's are setting up for action based on the Nat Defense Act.

[theGinsue]

Maybe if we had a person leading this country that wasn't an asshat and could stand up and say "We are not your fucking human trashbin, where you can dump as many of your malcontents as you can push across the border" then maybe we could curb this drain on the American life.

We allowed Cuba to do it many years ago. They practically emptied their prisons straight onto U.S. beaches.

[HBARleatherneck]

right or wrong. i am not the lawyer

i was sent to Los Angeles to quell the riots.

i was sent to Texas to do drug inderdiction ops also.

so it is done.