Gotta Blow Off Some Steam

[psawjack]

Warning: Rant Below--Stop reading if you don't want to hear me complaining [Rant2]

So I've been trying to trade a pistol over the net for the last couple weeks. Mind you I've had great luck so far with this in the past so I was trying to ride lady luck till she ran out. Well she almost ran out on me today. I got a offer from "MR BS" (that's what I'll call him) about a week ago and we've been emailing pics back and forth to each other. I finally decided to either sh*t or get off the pot and I decided to go for it. Luckily my gut told me to do a little forum searching on MR BS before the deal and see what comes up. By the way background searching is my standard practice but this time I delayed on the search because there was no commitment and I wasn't serious doing the deal until today. Well I ran into a post of someone who had sold the pistol in question to MR BS. I know this is the same pistol because MR BS was lazy and used the exact same pics that the "first" seller had used in his post. In that post the "first" seller posted a round count of x. MR BS owned and shot the pistol for about a month and then he emailed me a round count of x - 400. The number might not be a big deal for a pistol that already had 2500+ round count but I'm talking about the pistol having over double the rounds through than what I was told. In my thought-to-be final communication with him I informed him of my discovery and let him know that I no longer have any trust for him (and some other nice words of course).

The kicker is he actually had the nerve to send me back a message. Here it is:

Patrick,
I’m sorry you feel I have misinformed you about my firearm. I can understand if you no longer want to trade. That is the same pistol that you attached from the thread. I have personally put 50 rounds through the gun. I have also added new mepro night sights to the gun as well. The slide looks great for the age of the firearm. Let me know if you change your mind. I will probably relist the H&K for sale soon.
Sincerely,
MR BS

What nerve of some people in this world. I think people like him really give the forum sellers a bad image. Again luckily I didn't go for it and I can only hope next time things will be better. Call me crazy for taking the risk but I think there are some good, honest people in this country and I can't live my life with what some people call an "aluminum foil hat" on. I guess I'll just have to keep going with my gut feeling. It's worked good so far.

Steam is out.

Patrick

[Irving]

I'm not trying to stand up for MR BS or anything. I really have no idea who you are talking about (and am not interested enough to research). Is there a chance that he was just being lazy and forgot the actual round count? I only ask because I don't know a firm round count on any of the guns I own, even the one that I bought brand new.

[psawjack]

I'm not trying to stand up for MR BS or anything. I really have no idea who you are talking about (and am not interested enough to research). Is there a chance that he was just being lazy and forgot the actual round count? I only ask because I don't know a firm round count on any of the guns I own, even the one that I bought brand new.

I can understand if he simply made a mistake. I don't believe he did nor did he make any mention of that being simply a mistake. When he was confronted about it there was no reasoning or excuse. I just got an answer like: "yea it happened, do you still want to deal?"

Also, if you don't know the exact (or approximate to the nearest 100) round count is the right answer to just make one up? I don't believe that it is unless it goes the other way like if I'm not sure about a pistol that in reality has around 1000 I'll put down something like 1500 or so. Going up is one thing that should be acceptable (and I've seen this a couple of times on the forums) but going down to half the true number is being sneaky and dishonest. To add to it he just picked it up a month ago. If he wanted to be honest with me he could have looked up the correct info on the thread he bought it from. That's how I found it and it wasn't that hard.

Maybe I just try to hold a higher standard for myself when it comes to this buying/selling stuff than some other people do. I want people to trust me and if I make a simple mistake I will apologize and do my best to make it right.

Patrick

[The Extractor]

uh , feedback forum ? warn the brethren >?

[68Charger]

uh , feedback forum ? warn the brethren >?

^^^ this ^^^

that's where this post belongs- stick to the facts, and don't get worked up about it.. I've had a deal fall through that I thought we had an agreement, and he was going to get upset that I was going to leave feedback- but I stuck with the facts, and after he read it, he said "yep, that's what happened"

[sniper7]

3/10

no profanity, i didn't see any steam being blown off. for the next rant I want to see some real emotion!!![Muaha]

[jerrymrc]

3/10

no profanity, i didn't see any steam being blown off. for the next rant I want to see some real emotion!!![Muaha]

Ya actually watch Jerry Springer don't ya. ;)

[Elhuero]

if Ginsue doesn't quote it and reply "ouch" then the rant needs work

[Beer]

[Bailey Guns]

2500 rounds + or -??? I guess that wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it was a quality gun. 2500 rounds through an HK is nothing.

How do you know the "round count" was accurate in the first place?

[psawjack]

So y'all know this rant does not have anything to do with a deal on COAR15. Unfortunately for me the forum where my pistol was listed and where MR BS received my contact info from does not have a feedback section.

If it was somebody from here that did this I would not hesitate to write the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to the feedback section so all you good, honest people here on this forum can make a better informed decision to deal or not deal with the person in question.

FWIW I doubt I'll ever have a problem doing deals with people here at this forum[Beer]

Patrick

[argonstrom]

So y'all know this rant does not have anything to do with a deal on COAR15. Unfortunately for me the forum where my pistol was listed and where MR BS received my contact info from does not have a feedback section.

If it was somebody from here that did this I would not hesitate to write the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to the feedback section so all you good, honest people here on this forum can make a better informed decision to deal or not deal with the person in question.

FWIW I doubt I'll ever have a problem doing deals with people here at this forum[Beer]

Patrick

Spill the beans. Don't make me search the internet...

Oops, just did... [ROFL1]

[Irving]

Bailey, I think he was using 2,500 as an example of when +/- 400 rounds wouldn't matter. He said it was X-400, which ended up cutting the true amount in half.

[psawjack]

2500 rounds + or -??? I guess that wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it was a quality gun. 2500 rounds through an HK is nothing.

How do you know the "round count" was accurate in the first place?

I will never know and he may not even know the correct amount either. He could have been misinformed himself. If he was told 100 and it pistol ended up having a completely worn barrel and looking like it had more like 1000 or 2000 rounds through the barrel then oh well... as long as he was as honest and forthcoming as possible to me about the first 100 plus what he shot through it. I am talking about a quality firearm here and if it had 2000 rounds fired and I was told that then OK by me. I'm sure it will last about 2 or 3 of my lifetimes.

My issue is not what exactly he wasn't truthful about but the fact that he wasn't truthful with me about something.

Some people may not feel this is a big deal but if it's ok for someone to misinform you about this type issue then where do you try to draw the line. Not to pick on any gun dealers but for the sake of argument would it be ok if someone at a gun dealer sold you what they called a "NIB" pistol and you somehow found out it hadn't been previously sold (and was sold to you under the impression that the only person who shot it was from the factory) but the truth was that someone at the dealer decided to borrow it and take it to the range and shoot some rounds through it to try it out? I'm sure the gun is fine and will last a long time but if he told you it was new/not previously sold and you found out that he took it to the range to test drive it would you be cool with this info and just blow it off? How much slack should we give people who are willing to be dishonest with us? Does it matter how big or little the deception is?

Don't get me wrong. I'm the first in line to admit I'm not perfect.

Patrick

[theGinsue]

if Ginsue doesn't quote it and reply "ouch" then the rant needs work

[Beer]

^^^ This - Ouch!

I've become too milk-maid-ist and predictable; haven't I?
I think this sums it up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72zv7Hcwgyw

Now, when I've finally had enough, this applies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOXpKUu6pUg

As far as the rant, I'm pretty much in line with sniper...but I give it a 4/10... I got his displeasure and anger at the other guy but I think his rant is too "nice" - like my responses.

[Richard K]

On another froum I replied to WTB froum entry and offered the item at $500; OP replies he'd liike to purchase for $350 and then posts my pics of my
gun at $600 before it's even in hi.s posession. I elected to not to sell to him and told him I'd not do business with him at any price.

[theGinsue]

Wow. That's showing some major brass right there.

[Irving]

Must have worked at Gun Smoke.

[Dr_Fwd]

Must have worked at Gun Smoke.

LOL

[psawjack]

As far as the rant, I'm pretty much in line with sniper...but I give it a 4/10... I got his displeasure and anger at the other guy but I think his rant is too "nice" - like my responses.

I guess I must be chilling out in my old age(ever since I brought a child into this world I suppose). You wouldn't believe how much pent-up frustration I had for me to just write the post for y'all to see. I do feel better now and I my bad attitude about the whole thing is settling down.:)

Thanks for the responses.

Patrick

[theGinsue]

Hey Patrick, we're yanking your chain a bit.

[SA Friday]

2500 rounds + or -??? I guess that wouldn't bother me in the slightest if it was a quality gun. 2500 rounds through an HK is nothing.

How do you know the "round count" was accurate in the first place?
Concur. Easily a 60k+ round lifespan gun. If the deal was good enough and there was a time to inspect the gun, I probably would have let it slide as long as the inspection of the gun revealed lack of wear.

Without an inspection, I probably would have pulled the plug too.

[argonstrom]

Hey Patrick, we're yanking your chain a bit.

Exploring the internet, yanking the chain, i am TheInternet...

Damn, good thing I think I am funny...

[psawjack]

Hey Patrick, we're yanking your chain a bit.

Yep and that helped me cool off about the whole thing. Laughter can be the best medicine sometimes. Especially the post from TheInternet. It had me rolling for a couple mins.

Thanks guys.

Patrick

[psawjack]

Concur. Easily a 60k+ round lifespan gun. If the deal was good enough and there was a time to inspect the gun, I probably would have let it slide as long as the inspection of the gun revealed lack of wear.

Without an inspection, I probably would have pulled the plug too.

I did give him the chance to finish the transaction after he responded back to me earlier in the evening(because I wanted the pistol). If he was willing to send me the pistol and I could have an inspection done to it AND I liked the results then after that I would send him mine. Of course he declined my offer. I was just curious to see if he would jump through hoops to save face...he didn't want to.

Patrick

[Great-Kazoo]

I did give him the chance to finish the transaction after he responded back to me earlier in the evening(because I wanted the pistol). If he was willing to send me the pistol and I could have an inspection done to it AND I liked the results then after that I would send him mine. Of course he declined my offer. I was just curious to see if he would jump through hoops to save face...he didn't want to.

Patrick

standard internet gun deals when not FTF are usually a 3 day inspection period. if the buyer decides not to keep the gun in question, they are responsible for s&h back to seller.
when i do an out of state sale, pics are taken/dated prior to ship. If there is an issue i have my documentation to back up what i sold with copy of the FS ad. The 3 day inspection period is only valid while in the receiving FFL's store. once they accept delivery from their ffl the deal has been completed.
i di have one buyer e-m me approx 1 year after the deal on an AR. he said the upper was having FTF's and did not always extract spent case. He wanted a refund and me to pay for work a smith had done (inspection and estimate of repairs to ar needed) . i told him TFB the gun was way past it's 3 day period, and he had a pair to even think i or anyone else would refund payment from a 1 year old sale.
YMMV