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theGinsue
06-09-2010, 22:29
For those of us who enjoy going out onto PUBLIC lands and doing a little camping, some of our favorite spots could be in jeopardy.

Is the Department of Interior Planning a Land grab of 13M Acres? What Happened to Transparency? “Most Transparent” Administration in History Bats .149 with Missing Monument Documents Department of Interior Turns Over Small Portion of Requested Documents

Washington, D.C. – Congressional Western Caucus Chairman Rob Bishop (R-UT) today announced the Administration has turned over only 383 out of 2399 pages of information pertaining to a leaked Department of Interior (DOI) memo ( http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFiles/states_for_designation.pdf (http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFiles/states_for_designation.pdf&urlhash=H-dQ) ) . The leaked memo showed the Administration considered locking up as much as 13 million acres throughout the West. The remaining pages of the secret memo that instigated this investigation were not included in the documents turned over to Congress.

In February 2010, Congressman Bishop obtained the leaked internal DOI document that outlined 13 million acres in 11 different Western states as potential areas to be designated as national monuments. Under the Antiquities Act, the President may exercise executive privilege to unilaterally designate new national monuments without congressional oversight or input from local officials, stakeholders and residents.

On February 26, 2010, Congressman Bishop, House Natural Resources Committee Ranking Member Doc Hastings (WA-04) and other Western Caucus Members sent a letter to DOI Secretary Ken Salazar requesting all relative information pertaining to the DOI’s plans to designate new national monuments throughout the West.

“By refusing to turn over thousands of pages of documents to Congress about this Administration’s potential plans to lock up millions of acres of lands, they have destroyed any remaining illusions about being transparent. Secretary Salazar told the people of Utah last week “they have nothing to fear” over the internal memo of potential National Monument designations. The Clinton Administration made similar assurances to the people of Utah. After the designation of the Grand Staircase Escalante, Utahns have at least 1.6 million reasons to be skeptical. The question that needs to be asked is what is this Administration hiding? If the DOI has nothing to hide on this issue, then why not hand over 100% of the documents to once and for all prove to the American people that they are not planning a massive land grab out West. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. In baseball terms, the Administration would be batting a lackluster .149. By the more important common sense standard, the American people know that something is fishy when their government attempts to hide information from the public,” said Caucus Chairman Rob Bishop.

Questions remaining:

1. What are the full extent of the Administration’s brainstorming plans?
2. What outside groups are involved?
3. Who instigated these discussions?
4. What is the involvement of the White House?
5. Why not allow the American public to see all the documents?

Click here ( http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DOI_Monument_Docs.pdf (http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http://robbishop.house.gov/UploadedFiles/DOI_Monument_Docs.pdf&urlhash=UWz-) ) to read the DOI letter to House Natural Resources Ranking Member Doc Hastings (R-WA), Western Caucus Chairman Rob Bishop (R-UT), and other Western Caucus Members regarding information pertaining to planning within the DOI to designate new national monuments throughout the West.

Anton
06-10-2010, 00:18
I'll wait for more information before forming an opinion, myself.

BigBear
06-10-2010, 08:32
Interesting... we have been having quite a few govt. contractors coming in and checking out topographic and contour maps of outlying areas around the military bases here.......

BadShot
06-10-2010, 08:41
Hell, the reason the most likely haven't turned over all of the documents is because they more than likely can't frakking find them! Seriously, document tracking at the DOI top level is a farce.

BigBear
06-10-2010, 08:45
Seriously, anything tracking at the gooberment level is a farce.


Fixed for you friend! [Beer] [ROFL1]

scratchy
06-10-2010, 13:23
Here's a link to the Polis sponsored Colorado portion of the Hidden Gems wilderness campaign.

http://www.whiteriverwild.org/

I'll keep my opinion of Polis to myself. My mom taught me to be polite [ROFL2]

TFOGGER
06-10-2010, 13:45
Here's a link to the Polis sponsored Colorado portion of the Hidden Gems wilderness campaign.

http://www.whiteriverwild.org/

I'll keep my opinion of Polis to myself. My mom taught me to be polite [ROFL2]

Me, not so much. Polis is an Eastern style Democrat. Which puts him squarely below pond scum and just above child molesting arsonists on my personal scale of disdain.

Hidden Gems is a masterpiece of out and out fabrication on the part of the proponents. By some estimates, there may be some 58000 miles of active trails and jeep roads on the 1.3 million acres of proposed "wilderness".

theGinsue
06-10-2010, 15:25
Is it just me, or does the name "Hidden Gems" sound like a low-end trailer park?

BigBear
06-10-2010, 15:39
Is it just me, or does the name "Hidden Gems" sound like a low-end trailer park?

I was thinking along the lines of "family jewels"


.... [ROFL1]

Jumpstart
06-10-2010, 17:57
IMHO, the government having any more control over any more land is un-American.

OgenRwot
10-01-2010, 17:51
Polis submitted the bill today.

Here is an article (http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20100930/NEWS/100929783/0/FRONTPAGE)

Here is the bill (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h6280/show)

theGinsue
10-01-2010, 18:56
Damned lying, thieving, sons-a-........

mx'r
10-01-2010, 19:03
We'll one day not care so much. Just ask the Indians....

OgenRwot
10-02-2010, 02:19
The problem for us is that nobody outside of Colorado cares about this bill. Their constituencies don't give two shits about open land in Colorado so they can vote for it without retribution. What does that mean? Even if everybody here, including Polis, vote against the bill it will still pass with flying colors and we'll be SOL and locked out of our mountains.

Beprepared
10-02-2010, 08:22
I've been hearing about this for some time, thanks for the details. Yes, it is unlawful and not American for the Feds to own 1/3 of our land. I wish the western states had more foresight like Arkansas. Back when the Feds were establishing all the first parks and monuments, they turned all their potential sights into state parks, effectively blocking the Feds. My family and I are National Park junkies. There are to many parks with way more land then is necessary. Not to mention the amount completely uninteresting places.
FARGING BASTEGES![Rant1]

ERNO
10-02-2010, 11:18
The problem for us is that nobody outside of Colorado cares about this bill. Their constituencies don't give two shits about open land in Colorado so they can vote for it without retribution. What does that mean? Even if everybody here, including Polis, vote against the bill it will still pass with flying colors and we'll be SOL and locked out of our mountains.

I don't live in Colorado, I live in Maryland; but if the land grab is meant to stop the land rapist's oil shale, gas coal mining and drilling rights; I'm all for it.
Here, over on the eastern seaboard, the mountain-top mining occuring in West Virgina is turning out to be a enviromental catastrophe. Which entails removal of whole mountain tops to get at the coal seam; meanwhile dumping the residue at the bottom of the mountain's below, where the streams are.
Obama is trying to stop the process; but the banks are one of the best ways to stop the land rapists, by denying the financing to run there earth destroying projects.

BadShot
10-03-2010, 07:31
I don't live in Colorado, I live in Maryland; but if the land grab is meant to stop the land rapist's oil shale, gas coal mining and drilling rights; I'm all for it.
Here, over on the eastern seaboard, the mountain-top mining occuring in West Virgina is turning out to be a enviromental catastrophe. Which entails removal of whole mountain tops to get at the coal seam; meanwhile dumping the residue at the bottom of the mountain's below, where the streams are.
Obama is trying to stop the process; but the banks are one of the best ways to stop the land rapists, by denying the financing to run there earth destroying projects.

Actually that very much depends on which Bureau ends up with which portions of the land. I haven't read the bill so I'm not sure what the division of land is going to be. Most likely Bureau of Land Management (largest holder of .gov lands west of the Mississippi) with mineral and resource oversight by the artist formerly known as Mineral Management Service (MMS). National Park Service, perhaps a little bit thrown at US Fish and Wildlife.. would make sense.

The former MMS (can't remember the new name, there are three of them now) component generally has responsibility for just about all mining, drilling and such. Well at least the leasing, and over sight (snicker, snicker)

All said and told, it really isn't right to snag that much land, but if the states don't stand up, then the Fed is going to tap dance all over them, like it or not.

OgenRwot
10-07-2010, 11:54
I don't live in Colorado, I live in Maryland;

Well then you can A: Shut the hell up
or B: come over here and look at the minuscule footprint the rigs have and when they are gone you can barely tell there was a rig there in the first place. And then you can shut the hell up.

By the way, you're a typical liberal. You obviously don't work because you have time to troll a small firearms board half a country away. Get a job and stop relying on the rest of us to pay your government check.

jake
10-07-2010, 12:18
By the way, you're a typical liberal. You obviously don't work because you have time to troll a small firearms board half a country away. Get a job and stop relying on the rest of us to pay your government check.
Nice troll of the troll :D