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here is a post from Jim on another thread. He's throwing a build party in Windsor
Ok back from a good 10 day R&R with no contact from the world.
I can sponsor a build party this July 24th or 31st (rain date). I am looking at these days to accomodate brycom who lives in the neighborhood, and has those 2 saturdays free.
Hoopty is in (pm or e-m me regarding an ak parts kit) i have room for another 6 max people.
I have a 12T press, mig welder, and bandsaw, if needed. I do not have a spot welder for rails, rivet tools, or anything else needed to complete an AK. So thats where it stands.
I would like to kick off by 9am. We can get food delivered from the good places to eat in town or who knows.
DISCLAIMER::
This is a get together for like minded gun owners to build an AK for their own personal use.
THIS IS NOT a party for those who are assembling a rifle for sale and or profit.
ALL FIREARM LAWS will be observed based on the honor system. there will be no one looking over your shoulder. I do not want to hear any talk about making anything a questionable, select fire item just because it is that easy (if you believe the internet and or antigunners) I expect the same courtesy here as i or anyone would do at your place.
YMMV
Well I'll be there along with another guy that has a beautiful german kit.
I have flat bending jig, front rivet tool, plinker jig for rear trunnion, trigger gaurd jig, oxy acetalyne torch for heat treating, no-go headspace gauge and the "know how" for these tools.
We will need a spot welder for reciever rails(or we can use jim's mig welder) and any other trunnion/barrel/make building easier tool you may have.
Best to buy the flats with the pre-bent top rails or even better a Nodak spud receiver. Get all your build and compliance parts now!!!
If anyone has any questions on what they will need to build one let me know.
Also I have some m14/M1 garand tooling. I have a barrel vise, reciever wrench, 308 and 30-06 headspace gauges and other small tools. If anyone wants to put together one of these send me a PM and we can figure out what you need...
enthusiast
06-28-2010, 23:47
I would like to know what all I need to buy? If needed I can get the spot welder and the tong from AK builder to make it work.
http://ak-builder.com/images/tong_close.jpg
I will post a detailed list including parts kits later tonight....
cowboykjohnson
06-29-2010, 10:10
I will post a detailed list including parts kits later tonight....
Thanks, I could use this as well... to figure out an aproximate price.
I would like to know what all I need to buy? If needed I can get the spot welder and the tong from AK builder to make it work.
http://ak-builder.com/images/tong_close.jpg
That would be the best thing to get. I think I had problems with some of my rails because of the spot welder tongs were not properly seated on the metal.
I would say spot welder with the tongs is the way to go.
Parts kits. there are tons on Gunbroker also. There are lots of other companies that sell them to. Try to get one with original barre. You are going to pay more but the barrels will generally headspace perfectly if it is matching parts kit. Get a STAMPED reciever parts kit only. If you get a milled then you will need to reweld them or grind down the stubs and fit them in a stamped reciever. Just get the stamped reciever. Yugo kits have 1.6mm flats which we can not bend at this time unless you get a jig from ak-builder. If you get a yugo kit then buy a nodak spud reciever.
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/kit-rom-uf-b.aspx
https://www.apexgunparts.com/index.php/cPath/51
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=639688
Barrels: These seem the cheapest. If your kit comes with original barrel then you don't need a commercial one. Just call and make sure they will work with your kit!!!!! I know the yugo and chinese rifles have smaller barrel diameters. If anyone finds a new us made yugo barrel let me know!!!!! These will need to be drilled for the barrel pins which means they need to be headspaced. I have no-go gauge for 7.62X39 ONLY! If you are going to use a new barrel you need to get a go-gauge 7.62 and go/no-go gauge for 5.45X39. These barrels say they already have the gas holes drilled which is good.
http://lancasterarms.com/ACCESSORY%20SELECT%20PAGE%20NEW.htm
Compliance parts: Get them with your flats at AK builder along with your rivets. You will need 7 U.S made parts total for 922R compliance. Trigger group (3 parts), pistol grip, muzzle device, piston, and reciever. If you get a U.S made stock kit that counts as 3 parts and if you get a new us made barrel that counts as one.
http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=166
Romanian underfolder flat http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29884
Fixed stock flat http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29838
Rivets: http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=166
Center support: http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=166
At a very minimum you will need to complete your build:
AK47 parts kit/with barrel
Reciever flat or commercial receiver
compliance parts
Rivet kit with center support
Any questions please ask.
DeusExMachina
07-08-2010, 22:36
That Bulgy kit from Apex looks like a great deal, looks like they have a US barrel already too.
I'd love to get in on this. The 31st is better for me though. Is that just a rain date?
enthusiast
07-08-2010, 23:03
I just found out I will be in San Diego on both dates. [Mad]
DeusExMachina
07-10-2010, 01:01
Are lower bolt guide rails needed? Saw those on akbuilder and was confused
DeusExMachina
07-10-2010, 01:29
I bought the last Bulgy 74 flat, as well as a GO 5.45x39 gauge if anyone else is building a 74.
As well as all the other stuff. Gonna order a kit from Apex tomorrow.
Great-Kazoo
07-10-2010, 06:27
That Bulgy kit from Apex looks like a great deal, looks like they have a US barrel already too.
I'd love to get in on this. The 31st is better for me though. Is that just a rain date?
for the time being it is. unfortunately the date will be fluid until 1 week before the build party.
OR we could do it august 7th , i might be unemployed by then? let me go through my scheduling and see what juggling we can do.
DeusExMachina
07-10-2010, 09:41
I can do the 24th or the 31st if I know which by the 17th, that's cool. Sign me up for whenever :)
too late to get in on this?
I've got a Romy G kit I bought a couple years ago that I need to put together. bent up a few flats last winter and never got around to putting it together.
Mo
Do you want me to get my 20 ton press out? It's on loan at the moment.
We have a press so were good there. I'm not sure how many peopel are coming but I'm sure there is still room
Things might be put on hold due to my son getting surgery soon. Just waiting on a date.
I'll keep you guys posted. We still are going to need a spot welder with the modified tongs. We can still do the rails with a mig welder but it just takes a bit longer.
DeusExMachina
07-10-2010, 18:39
So were those lower bolt guide rails something I needed to buy?
So were those lower bolt guide rails something I needed to buy?
No. They will come with your flat. At least every flat that I have used has had them with it.
Sons surgery is in Aug. so I am good to go this month.
People that want to come need to get there stuff in order and PM Jim.
DeusExMachina
07-12-2010, 22:59
5.45 x 39 Headspace Gauge Type: GO
AK Center Support for 1mm Receivers
AK-74 Gas Piston
AK-Builder AK Rivet Set Options: AK74 Fixed Stoock
AK74 5.45x39 Receiver Flat - Top Rail Bent and Trimmed
Tapco G2 Single Hook Trigger
Tapco Standard AK Pistol Grip
And my AK-74 kit from Apex. I'm a little chapped I paid UPS to drive my box o' AK parts down the street, though.
5.45 x 39 Headspace Gauge Type: GO
AK Center Support for 1mm Receivers
AK-74 Gas Piston
AK-Builder AK Rivet Set Options: AK74 Fixed Stoock
AK74 5.45x39 Receiver Flat - Top Rail Bent and Trimmed
Tapco G2 Single Hook Trigger
Tapco Standard AK Pistol Grip
And my AK-74 kit from Apex. I'm a little chapped I paid UPS to drive my box o' AK parts down the street, though.
You should be ready to go.
DeusExMachina
07-14-2010, 00:29
Got my kit today. Apex rocks. Everything is in bags and in great shape.
Crikey Bryan, I have to follow this all over the board...... I just posted on the other thread and then saw this link.
I thought the party was this weekend, so I was trying to figure a way to get you my spot welder. If you guys want to use it I can meet you on Sunday at I-25 and HWY 34. I will be at the Best Western for a WWII reenactment meeting at 2:00. It still needs to be modified, but I know you and Jim can do it pretty easily. Let me know if you want to use it.
Also, if you need an extra press and have a truck, you can come down and grab mine. I will bring it home from work, but you have to give me a days notice. I don't drive the big Dodge much these days, so it stays at work with my press.....
asta
Greg 303-916-7051
OK gentlemen. We need to do a roll call so we can get an idea of who's comming. Also let us know what kind of tooling your bringing if any. So sound off here and let us know.
There will be a few things that we could use that would make things go a lot quicker.
1. Dremmel tool with cut off wheels and/or grinders. These will be needed for fitting and demilling you kits. It would be best to get a headstart on demilling you kits and getting the rivet heads ground off and if possible removal of the rivet and old receiver.
2. Punchs to remove rivets and pins. If you have them bring them. That way people aren't standing around waiting for them.
3. Drill bits. Again same thing, so people aren't standing around.
4. Trigger gaurd jig. I have one but it is "difficult" to use. If someone has one BRING IT!!!
5. Spot welder. Mule will be getting a call here soon and I will try to meet up with him but I may not be able too. It would be easier to have one of you guys bring one already modified.
6. Any other "makes building an ak easier tool" would be helpful. Rivet locators, barrel presses, trunnion jigs, ect, ect......
Time will be July 24th Saturday from 9AM to 2ish at Jim's house in Windsor.
PM me for Jims address if you are coming. You can call me also Bryan 970-690-7614
enthusiast
07-16-2010, 18:49
I cannot make this one. Hopefully there will be another one.
DeusExMachina
07-16-2010, 20:15
I'm in. I have drill bits, punches somewhere, and a bunch of dremel stuff but my dremel died. I also have a 5.45 GO gauge.
And beer! If beer is OK..
I'm in. I have drill bits, punches somewhere, and a bunch of dremel stuff but my dremel died. I also have a 5.45 GO gauge.
And beer! If beer is OK..
I cool with beer. As long as it doesn't turn into one of my drunken high school parties.[ROFL1]
OneGuy67
07-16-2010, 20:38
I'm still in! Just need a time to start this shin ding.
I have a rivet tool, trigger guard jig, bits and a crappy dremel. I can bring my table grinder if it is needed and some beer as well. I have several kits and receivers all ready, but really want to ask questions, observe and get a feel for the whole thing.
Jeff
DeusExMachina
07-16-2010, 20:40
I cool with beer. As long as it doesn't turn into one of my drunken high school parties.[ROFL1]
I'll leave the keg at home. ;)
beer and guns is a bad idea but these won't really be guns for awhile anyway. [ROFL1]
I'm still in! Just need a time to start this shin ding.
I have a rivet tool, trigger guard jig, bits and a crappy dremel. I can bring my table grinder if it is needed and some beer as well. I have several kits and receivers all ready, but really want to ask questions, observe and get a feel for the whole thing.
Jeff
Bring all of it. Table grinder may or may not be used that much. Jim has one in any case.
I'm out. My kid's outpatient surgery turned into 3 days/2 nights in the hospital and I had to take him to the ER last night for 6 hours to get some fluids in him.
Have fun. Hope to make the next one.
Great-Kazoo
07-16-2010, 22:20
I'm still in! Just need a time to start this shin ding.
I have a rivet tool, trigger guard jig, bits and a crappy dremel. I can bring my table grinder if it is needed and some beer as well. I have several kits and receivers all ready, but really want to ask questions, observe and get a feel for the whole thing.
Jeff
I have 2 dremel units. as for beer. the windsor p.d. has a high kill ratio, dropping my name will not get you off the hook if they think alcohol is involved, trust me. I'm not a consumer of beverages, so don't bring it if the intent is to thank me, donate it to charity (she's 2 blocks over):)
i could use some rivets.
drill press, 12T hydro press, bench grinder, and mig is on site. i would like to start by 9-:930 the latest as i have 3-4 projects on the burner (and lawn) i need to wrap up before the 26th.
need a head count as i have a small workshop.
ldmaster
07-19-2010, 12:59
Thanks for the kindly reminder, I WILL be there. I've got a small belt/disc sander I can bring and a flat bending jig (bolt type) and a MAPP torch. I'll review the needful things list to see if I have it to bring. Otherwise have 5 underfolder flats and rails (suitable for polish underfolder) of which I only have three kits to finish them out - so two are available for those who need one. need rivets though.
wait... did this happen yet? or is it next weekend?
wait... did this happen yet? or is it next weekend?
July 24th which is a saturday. Starts at 9AM and goes to 2ish
Everyone that wants to go and that needs directions needs to PM me.
Bryan,
Forgot to tell you Sat, I have a FAL receiver wrench too... So, when you decide to do yours let me know and we can get together and work on them. I have a FAL build DVD too.
I think I gave all of my other build DVDs to T. but will have to check if you want to do something else.
Bryan,
Forgot to tell you Sat, I have a FAL receiver wrench too... So, when you decide to do yours let me know and we can get together and work on them. I have a FAL build DVD too.
I think I gave all of my other build DVDs to T. but will have to check if you want to do something else.
Yeah I may need that someday. I have been wanting a FAL for a while. I just have limited funds. I heard the Sarco argentinian kits are real nice.
I modified your spot welder. I couldn't find 1/4" copper rod anywhere so I used brass instead. I was using it on some defunked ak receivers and it seems to be making them pretty good.
Remember everyone its tomorrow.
DeusExMachina
07-23-2010, 18:55
Yup I'll be there. Since it's early I'm forgoing the beer. :)
really want to come but I have paying work, hoping for another one.
I'm there. See you tomorrow everyone.
DeusExMachina
07-24-2010, 20:03
Big thanks to Jim and Brian for the work space and expertise. Had a good time and learned a lot and we got a good amount accomplished.
It was great meeting everyone.
Nice to meet everyone. If people still need help finishing anything I would be happy to have them in my tiny work shop. Its about a 2 man capacity. I don't have every tool known to man but I have enough to get by.
DeusExMachina
07-24-2010, 20:43
I'm looking all over for my damn rear trunion.
I'm looking all over for my damn rear trunion.
Maybe they didn't send it?
Oh I almost forgot to thank Mule for loaning some tools for this party. They really helped us out today. Thanks
OneGuy67
07-24-2010, 22:00
I also thank Jim, Brian and Jeff for all their help, knowledge, time, shop and tools to help me and the others with our new toys! Thanks, guys!
Great-Kazoo
07-25-2010, 06:41
I also thank Jim, Brian and Jeff for all their help, knowledge, time, shop and tools to help me and the others with our new toys! Thanks, guys!
glad ya'll enjoyed it. the spouse did a good job running for lunch etc.
since i did not have my kit on hand, i'll probably do another one late summer, early fall.
Glad to help you all out where I could. I'm no expert but I can usually figure it out.
DeusExMachina
07-25-2010, 20:23
Yeah they didn't send me a rear trunion. I looked at pictures in detail and I never saw it. Bastards.
Let me look in my parts bin, I may have one still. I got rid of almost everything though so don't hold your breath....
Sounds like the welder worked out????? Just hang on to it for a bit, I'm going to have to redo the rails on mine and will need an extra set of hands when I do it. Not real soon though, I'm still overbooked and having to deal with some heavy family stuff.
DeusExMachina
08-09-2010, 09:48
I finally got ahold of someone at Apex and they said they are sending me one. So its cool.
I just need that and need to assemble my barrel, and get the gas port drilled. Not sure what I'm going to do about that.
OneGuy67
08-09-2010, 12:18
I finally got my AK finished I was working on there! I'm very happy! I can't wait to start working on the next one. Thanks again guys!
I finally got ahold of someone at Apex and they said they are sending me one. So its cool.
I just need that and need to assemble my barrel, and get the gas port drilled. Not sure what I'm going to do about that.
You can make the trip up to my house sometime. I can only get 2-3 people in my shop including me at a time. Let me know.
DeusExMachina
08-09-2010, 21:25
You can make the trip up to my house sometime. I can only get 2-3 people in my shop including me at a time. Let me know.
I have to do the rear trunion, heat treat, and install the main support but I'll definitely take you up on that sometime. Thanks.
OneGuy67
08-09-2010, 23:27
I tried to post a picture, but it was too big. Pretty hard to get it down to 97 KB. I'll have to reactivate my photobucket account.
jreifsch80
08-20-2010, 02:03
Hey guys I posted on the other build party thread, but I have all the tooling necessary for building ak's including a modified spot welder, so If anyone wants to have another bp I'm always up for it as I'm always working on some sort of ak project ;) also I'd rather build up north as 68chargers house is a bit of a drive (I'll still come down gary lol)
blackford76
08-20-2010, 02:12
I need to rivet my first build, I just don't trust the screws. Shot it a couple times and they like to work loose. TIG welded my RPK kit, that works pretty good.
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt204/blackford76/S7303607.jpg
jreifsch80
08-20-2010, 10:31
So how about a september build party? ;)
OneGuy67
08-20-2010, 19:03
I'm always game, but don't have the space to host one. I'm at the mercy of the great guys here that open their homes for guys like me.
Great-Kazoo
08-20-2010, 21:04
So how about a september build party? ;)
perhaps another run in my garage before i bring some other project indoors for work. down to 3 trailers now.
I'm still waiting for the G series kit from a board member here i haven't heard back from in a month???? you out there.....BUELLER............ANYONE
jreifsch80
08-21-2010, 01:32
Sounds like you should just get an east german kit and virgin romy barrel from apex instead ;) oh my dad decided he needed a media blaster from harbor freight so that would make refinishing nice its always good to blast ;) so I figure I might as well make a phosphate coating setup, might be able to double as a blueing tank as well. Also for space I have a big warehouse with all the space needed just no runing water though and it's In galeton (that town is about 10 miles east of eaton) otherwise I only have a half empty 2 car garage. On the otherhand a friend of mine that builds aks lives up north and has a big shop and is building a small personal range at his place, I could see if he'd be interested in having a bp as he's talked about it (he's also a member on gunco)
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