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I'm saying Lesner.....he's a beast.
What's your call?
iamhunter
07-01-2010, 14:02
UFC Heavyweight Champion and Interim Champion.
I WANT Carwin to win.
And you know, it's a tough call. Lesnar's been out of the ring for over a year,
Carwin is coming off 12 straight wins.
They're both beastly.
Lesnar is more physically impressive as far as size goes,
but Carwin's stand up and strength is nothing to joke about.
His fists are the size of lunch boxes.
hurley842002
07-01-2010, 14:13
Carwin
It's an easy decision for me, Carwin all the way. Lesnar is just a huge dude from WWE(gay) and has only his body weight to win. Carwin is from Greely and a more rounded fighter than Lesnar. As long as it doesn't go to the ground Carwin should win. Also, out of the 12 wins Carwin has, 9 of them didn't make it to the 2nd round...badass fighter!
cowboykjohnson
07-01-2010, 14:17
I'm not to into the UFC. At first I thought this was a court case.[Tooth]
StagLefty
07-01-2010, 14:29
Lesner-I wish these PPV fights were more affordable [Rant1]
I don't like organized fighting. I think there should be no rules (learn how to block a cock-shot for goodness sake) and a solid knockout should be the only criterion for winning... There are too many "champions" or whatever the title is, who win with some gay rules... I was always taught you fight to win period. You make sure the other person physically can't get up and pyscologically refuses to get up. You make sure they won't ever bother you again. Then, and only then is the fight over.
I don't watch UFC though I've seen some cage fighting and other "MMA" type fghting... wasn't on TV though, lol.
enthusiast
07-01-2010, 15:25
Carwin.
High Altitude
07-01-2010, 16:06
If it stays standing - Carwin
If it goes to the ground - Lesnar
iamhunter
07-01-2010, 16:09
I don't like organized fighting. I think there should be no rules (learn how to block a cock-shot for goodness sake) and a solid knockout should be the only criterion for winning... There are too many "champions" or whatever the title is, who win with some gay rules.
that would be no fun at all. First guy to land a nut shot or an eye gouge would win.
Besides that, people would probably regularly get maimed for life and/or die.
If you're into that, I'm sure there are some "venues" where you could find such a thing.
If not, the UFC provides an arena for skilled combat with just enough rules to protect the fighters, and make sure they come back to fight another day.
And for goodness sakes, it's LESNAR.
LESNAR
and while I don't like him, he's not "just big" his an all-american NCAA wrestling champion, and a very seriously talented athlete. Anyone saying he's "just big" is seriously underestimating him.
And for goodness sakes, it's LESNAR.
LESNAR
and while I don't like him, he's not "just big" his an all-american NCAA wrestling champion, and a very seriously talented athlete. Anyone saying he's "just big" is seriously underestimating him.
Easy tiger......and don't tell LesnAr I don't know how to spell his name correctly. [Beer]
Not to mention Lesnar is a gun nut....thats got some count to it right?
-J
Clordradoians for CARWIN ;)
Lesnar reminds me to much of Tyson,,street brawler.
That's all talk Bear. Those would be the most boring fights in the world and you'd never have a return fighter.
I have a DVD of a cage match championship where shots to the groin, and some forms of eye gouging are legal. Pretty much everyone who loses never fights again.
That'd be like trying to have a season of football where each person only gets to play one game each. Bear you should actually WATCH some MMA and I bet you'll gain some appreciation for it.
Anyway, I'd like to see Carwin win, and I tell my self that he has the best chance yet; but I still won't be surprised when Brock wins.
trlcavscout
07-01-2010, 18:56
Carwin. He's a good guy. They are showing the fight free at the greeley stampede.
theGinsue
07-02-2010, 00:10
I don't know how ready he is, but I want Lasnar to win.
Yes, there's something to be said for his HUGE physique, but more than that, I saw a story on who this guy really is. According to the story, Lesnar is truly a good guy.
There's more than one form of eye gouging?
Lesnar (and with the way I pick sports you guys should put your money on Carwin [ROFL2]).
iamhunter
07-02-2010, 08:17
There's more than one form of eye gouging?
Lesnar (and with the way I pick sports you guys should put your money on Carwin [ROFL2]).
Carwin's right hand is unholy.
He knocked Frank Mir out from the clinch.
That means no hip turn in the punch,
no body weight in the punch,
No favorable mechanics at all, just pure, raw, pec and arm strength.
The man is a monster.
that would be no fun at all. First guy to land a nut shot or an eye gouge would win.
Besides that, people would probably regularly get maimed for life and/or die....the UFC provides an arena for skilled combat with just enough rules to protect the fighters, and make sure they come back to fight another day.
hmmm... Isn't that the point though - Who is the best, period? I guess I'm just not into it.
Those would be the most boring fights in the world and you'd never have a return fighter...Bear you should actually WATCH some MMA and I bet you'll gain some appreciation for it.
I've tried watching it a few times actually. There are so many opportunities missed by each party to end the fight that I just don't care to watch it anymore.
I understand sparring and training to be a warrior. I don't understand putting on underwear and getting paid (great money sometimes) to fight. I just don't get it. Eh, to each their own. Sorry for upsetting some of you.
There's more than one form of eye gouging?
You can eye gouge, but only with your chin. You can't use your fingers or elbow or anything. This guy has his opponent in his guard and smashes his chin into his eye for like 2 minutes (broken up into a few segments at a time).
Bear, I've seen many times where someone will miss a kick and be spinning around or something and wonder why the other guy didn't pound on him. I've also seen people move in on an opportunity like that and get nailed with a spinning back fist or something. These guys aren't fighting some random purse snatcher or something. They know better than to jump in at what looks like an open opportunity because they respect (or fear) the skills of the other fighter.
Not to mention that they have to fight within the rules as well. Soccer would be a whole different game if you could just kick your opponents in the nuts to get them off the field. I'd like to see headbutts and stomps brought back to UFC myself.
cowboykjohnson
07-02-2010, 11:53
Soccer would be a whole different game if you could just kick your opponents in the nuts to get them off the field. I'd like to see headbutts and stomps brought back to UFC myself.
I might actually watch both then.
iamhunter
07-02-2010, 12:10
hmmm... Isn't that the point though - Who is the best, period? I guess I'm just not into it.
Some of the more legitmate "combat artists" in the sport actually train and know alot of krav maga/fight ending techniques, they just don't use them in the ring.
check out bas rutten's "bar fight" video sometime. It's A) Hilarious and B) provides some good inside into how brutal this guy could really be.
Also, alot of the "missed" opportunities are not missed at all, but given up out of caution and respect for the fighter.
I assume you're pretty decent at martial arts Bear, you've mentioned it before.
But what if you were facing someone equally, or BETTER than you in combat?
Those openings probably wouldn't be so appetizing.
although I do agree that there are many flaws in alot of fighter's games,
That's because most of them are FIGHTERS and not STRATEGISTS.
When you have someone who is both, you end up with people like Fedor Emelianenko or Anderson Silva. Un-friggin-stoppable.
Bear...They know better than to jump in at what looks like an open opportunity because they respect (or fear) the skills of the other fighter.
Rgr, and I understand the respect amongst warroirs, especially the first few minutes of feints to guage the other parties technique/skill/reflex/etc. Good discussion with you Irving. The points that would fustrate me were not the missed opportunites while standing (as you mentioned great points for NOT rushing in -with which I totally agree) but the opportunites on the ground. For instance - a fighter is locked in an arm bar. There are several twists that he/she may do that will allow him/her to break or dislocate either the supporting arm or the submitting leg hold over that will effectively break teh arm arm... But I do understand that this would be a violation of the rules and harmful to the fighters. I sometimes think that the rules lead to bad progress that can cause a fighter (who could win easily) to lose. Hope that makes sense. In any case, good discussion. [Beer]
Also, alot of the "missed" opportunities are not missed at all, but given up out of caution and respect for the fighter. Rgr that, I understand that.
I assume you're pretty decent at martial arts Bear, you've mentioned it before. Used to be, though I didn't brag or compete, I had the respect of several well known individuals in the area and throughout several States. But O haven't done it in a few years and since the car wreck have turned into a fat ass with no motivation or pain tolerance....
But what if you were facing someone equally, or BETTER than you in combat? ummm... gun? lol, I kid. Good point. There will always be someone bigger/stronger/faster/etc. To me, that is what the training is for. To eploit those "advantages" and then destroy them.
although I do agree that there are many flaws in alot of fighter's games,
That's because most of them are FIGHTERS and not STRATEGISTS.
When you have someone who is both... Un-friggin-stoppable. Amen and Rgr that.
Good stuff.
StagLefty
07-02-2010, 12:39
I don't understand putting on underwear and getting paid (great money sometimes)
So you don't respect me any more ?
So you don't respect me any more ?
That was YOU?!?!?! Well.....
hehe [ROFL1]
Also, not everyone is well trained in BJJ. The fighters now are a LOT more well rounded than they used to be back in the days of Cabbage and stuff, but still everyone has different backgrounds. It's easy to armchair quarterback a fight about all the possible things they could have done. That frustration is all part of the game.
lesner for sure. I'll be watching it at my sisters, they get every fight[Beer]
Sniper do you WANT Lesnar to win, or just think that he'll win?
I'd like to see someone beat him, but I still think there is a strong chance he'll win.
Lesner...
I fought wayback when it was known as the Bad Man competition. got a case of beer a T shirt a Hat and a kiss from the ring girl.
Sniper do you WANT Lesnar to win, or just think that he'll win?
I'd like to see someone beat him, but I still think there is a strong chance he'll win.
I admire Brock Lesner, ever since he was a wrestler in college, since he was in the WWE, since he is a huge hunter, avid sportsman...there was a show with him on it deer hunting, he missed his first shot (archery), got the deer with the second. he found it laying in ankle deep water, took some pictures, showed it off for the camera, then with one arm lifted the thing up and threw it over his shoulder...the guy is a badass!
he is a fierce competitor, lots are there are hoping for him to lose. I think he will win, I want him to win.
He is by far the most agile and fastest heavy weight I've ever seen. I hope his PR skills mature at the same rate as his other skills do.
I'm prettty sure he will will. I would like to see him fight Anderson Silva, that would be interesting. What is wrong with Lesner's PR skills. You mean this?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him that a year ago. I pulled it out of him and beat him over the head with it. [Now] I'm going to drink a Coors Light. That's right a Coors. Bud Light don't pay me nothing. I may even get on top of my wife tonight."
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He is by far the most agile and fastest heavy weight I've ever seen. I hope his PR skills mature at the same rate as his other skills do.
who needs PR skills when you are as good as him? Is he supposed to be a glamor boy as well as an extreme badass? That is part of his entire persona...being a badass that doesn't care what he says. he has only had to rein it in because of dana white. He learned all the PR skills in the WWE, some will love him more for it, some will hate him more for it....but there is no question that whether you love or hate him...you WILL watch. dana white knows this and that is why Brock is badass
I'm prettty sure he will will. I would like to see him fight Anderson Silva, that would be interesting. What is wrong with Lesner's PR skills. You mean this?
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him that a year ago. I pulled it out of him and beat him over the head with it. [Now] I'm going to drink a Coors Light. That's right a Coors. Bud Light don't pay me nothing. I may even get on top of my wife tonight."
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that is pure awesome. he tells it like it is. he backs his words up and maybe he even got Bud thinking why they didn't endorse him or pay him...
trlcavscout
07-03-2010, 18:33
Brock is definitley a good guy and a an outdoorsman and normally I would like to see him win, but I gotta vote for the local guy.
What a bullshit fight. Brock lost the first round and was for sure favored by the ref as he covered up when Carwin was beating in his face. Brock has no MMA skills and only wrestling. Lame...wish I did t waste my money on this fight.
What a bullshit fight. Brock lost the first round and was for sure favored by the ref as he covered up when Carwin was beating in his face. Brock has no MMA skills and only wrestling. Lame...wish I did t waste my money on this fight.
you obviously don't see that Lesner hasn't fought in a year, just got over a life threatening bacterial infection, but in the end still came out the victor...
the first round definitely went to Carwin and 2 different times I thought it would be called. BUT, when it is the main event, Lesner was still fighting back, Carwin was obviously getting tired and nobody has ever seen him go past the first round, the ref was probably instructed to really let it go and give everyone their monies worth.
either way, I just wanted to come on here and gloat since I called it from the beginning.
off to bed.
theGinsue
07-03-2010, 23:31
hmmm... Isn't that the point though - Who is the best, period?
Call me nuts, but an occasional VOLUNTARY and REAL Gladiator fight (say 1/yr) would be fun to watch. I'm am NOT volunteering for nuttin though!
I don't understand putting on underwear and getting paid (great money sometimes) to fight. I just don't get it. Eh, to each their own. Sorry for upsetting some of you.
Most people would be willing to pay me to NOT show myself in just the equivalent of my underwear. I'm just sayin.
In any case, good discussion. [Beer]
Agreed
I fought wayback when it was known as the Bad Man competition. got a case of beer a T shirt a Hat and a kiss from the ring girl.
Still got the beer? er...Hat?
either way, I just wanted to come on here and gloat since I called it from the beginning.
off to bed.
I can't say that I "called it" exactly, but I was hoping!
BTW Sniper - good to see you. Been missing you around these parts as of late.
you obviously don't see that Lesner hasn't fought in a year, just got over a life threatening bacterial infection, but in the end still came out the victor...
That doesn't prove that he has MMA skills. Should I have voted for him because he was sick?
the first round definitely went to Carwin and 2 different times I thought it would be called. BUT, when it is the main event, Lesner was still fighting back, Carwin was obviously getting tired and nobody has ever seen him go past the first round, the ref was probably instructed to really let it go and give everyone their monies worth.
When was Lesnar fighting back, when he was on his back covering up? As long as Lesnar is either on his back or getting punched he will loose.
That doesn't prove that he has MMA skills. Should I have voted for him because he was sick?
When was Lesnar fighting back, when he was on his back covering up? As long as Lesnar is either on his back or getting punched he will loose.
carwin and corture might disagree. apparently he has some kind of skills to be the HW champ. either way i am not here to argue skills, i am just excited lesner won, and at the end of the fight he did win no matter how much people dont like it
Driftwood
07-04-2010, 07:42
For you guys that saw it, did Lesnar try even a little bit to win with class or did he act like an ass like he did last time with Mir?
Too bad Carwin didn't win. Sounds like he was kicking his ass in round one, though. Just got gassed out from the synopsis I read.
For you guys that saw it, did Lesnar try even a little bit to win with class or did he act like an ass like he did last time with Mir?
Too bad Carwin didn't win. Sounds like he was kicking his ass in round one, though. Just got gassed out from the synopsis I read.
Lesner did an amazing job after the fight, really kept him composure, didn't gloat, didn't piss anyone off and was very respectable. he did what he should have done.
As for the fight I thought there was 2 times the ref was going to call it. lesner was on his back and took a couple very hard shots to the face from Carwins hand or elbow. he had a couple decent cuts on the face. he did keep fighting back though or try to push him off or kick him off. Carwin pretty much just got tired of beating on Lesners arms as Lesner covered up.
Then you could hear Lesners trainer between rounds telling him how gassed out Carwin was. Lesner resorted to wresting and proved D1 champ is better than D2 champ and got Carwin into pretty much a triangle and chocked him out forcing a tap.
iamhunter
07-04-2010, 10:07
Call me nuts, but an occasional VOLUNTARY and REAL Gladiator fight (say 1/yr) would be fun to watch. I'm am NOT volunteering for nuttin though!
Nice... watching people die for fun.
Not my gig, but to each his own.
As for the fight, Lesnar did get the !@#$ beat out of him the first round, but he survived it.
No, the ref SHOULDN'T have called it. Lesnar was protecting himself and aware the whole time, it would've been a bad call for the ref to call it.
As much as I wanted Carwin to win, he's never been out of the first round, and it showed.
He over exerted himself trying to finish Lesnar, and had nothing left for the second round.
He was still breathing heavy in the post-fight interview.
These two will be matching up again, you can bet on that. No-one else in the heavyweight division poses any sort of serious threat to either of these guys.
Next time we'll hopefully see a better conditioned Carwin, and a more recovered Brock.
hurley842002
07-04-2010, 11:40
As for the fight, Lesnar did get the !@#$ beat out of him the first round, but he survived it.
No, the ref SHOULDN'T have called it. Lesnar was protecting himself and aware the whole time, it would've been a bad call for the ref to call it.
As much as I wanted Carwin to win, he's never been out of the first round, and it showed.
He over exerted himself trying to finish Lesnar, and had nothing left for the second round.
He was still breathing heavy in the post-fight interview.
These two will be matching up again, you can bet on that. No-one else in the heavyweight division poses any sort of serious threat to either of these guys.
Next time we'll hopefully see a better conditioned Carwin, and a more recovered Brock.
+1 good post. I was pushing for Carwin, but certainly wasn't upset that Lesner won.
Lesnar has size and conditioning. He still doesn't have any skills.
I laughed out loud about him fighting back. He threw all of what, 3 punches during the whole fight? Once Carwin was gassed, all Brock had to do was take him down and sit on him. The same way he beat everyone else.
Brock is going to be the champ for a long time though. He's so big, and has now proven that he can take a hit.
As far as the post fight interview, Brock just avoided saying anything dumb by thanking his sponsors and talking about his family. I really wanted him to give props to Carwin, because you could tell he appreciated how much trouble he was in. Didn't really happen though.
I forgot to mention a few things.
1) No matter who won this fight, either one of those guys would have absolutely destroyed Cain Velasquez next. Brock is going to eat that guy alive.
2) I think that the ref was really afraid to call the fight. Title fights are a big deal and he was probably worried about losing his job if he called it too early. I'm glad he didn't call it, as I think that refs sometimes call fights too early and there have been some fights where I think they could have turned around like this one.
Opie, I don't think you wasted your money on the PayPerView, as the Chris Lebon fight was really good as well. Plus, it was great to see Brock take that kind of pummeling. You could tell that he was pretty happy to actually have a guy put him into that position and actually be a challenge for him. He had a huge smile at the beginning of the second round. Of course that might have also been because he knew that he was just seconds from ending the fight as well.
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