View Full Version : and now an apology for Hroshima????
Seamonkey
08-06-2010, 08:26
Now Obama is apologizing for Hiroshima????
link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703748904575411123599873634.html?m od=WSJ_newsreel_opinion)
This is the crap that makes me want to throw up. Much better that countless AMERICAN lives get thrown away, just as long we don't dare offend THE FRACKING ENEMY????? Forget all the horrors they committed on everyone around them America is too blame???
Remember Pearl Habor jerk wad?????? Iwo Jima? The Philippines? Battle of Midway??? or did ACORN teach you to ignore actual historical facts and make up sh^t?
What's next? North Korea? Apologize for D-Day?
[Mad]
and of course now Kagan... AZ immigration... trillions in debt... two wars going on, untold trillions in debt off the books in the form of unfunded pension plans...Obamacare... czars for flipping everything...
I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!! FRACK CHANGE I WANT A REFUND!!!!
I'm going to walk around and hopefully get hit by a mortar so I can get out of his reach.. oh wait! Can't do that! He's the savior and will be there to frack me in the afterlife as welll
brokenscout
08-06-2010, 08:34
But now i'm pissed. Don't get hit by a mortar. He won't apologize for that. He'd just Blame Bush
palepainter
08-06-2010, 08:40
+1
This is America. Please say "fuck" when it is warranted.
I see this kind of world thinking way too often these days, I'm still in school and it feels like I'm getting a degree in white guilt. Everyday is how bad America and the white man are day. Yeah dropping the bomb was bad for all the vaporized people, but it did it's job magnificently. We stopped a cruel, sadistic empire dead in it's tracks while saving AMERICANS from suffering a battle on the mainland of Japan. For Stu's sake, what the fuck is wrong with these people?
Here we go.
FUCK the Japanese, they owe the world an apology for starting the war in the Pacific. They owe apologies for the Rape of Nanking, Bataan Death March, and countless other atrocities.
Dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved countless American lives and also saved untold numbers of Japanese lives. We did them a favor.
Why aren't they crying about the fire bombing of Tokyo when 200,000 Japanese were killed?
War is hell, fight to win, kill the enemy and end the war asap. That's what we did.
Oh and FUCK Obama that worthless stinkin son-of-a-whore.
Wow... what happened to America?.... (rheotrical question)
Still and always will be a POS!!!!!!![Rant1]
DeusExMachina
08-06-2010, 10:09
Japan is no longer "the enemy" and are in fact a very strong ally.
Do you have issue with Great Britain? Damn those redcoats!
ChunkyMonkey
08-06-2010, 10:13
Where is the apology?
Japan is no longer "the enemy" and are in fact a very strong ally.
Do you have issue with Great Britain? Damn those redcoats!
Where is the apology?
Come on, ya'll know logic and rational thinking aren't allowed on here! Ruining all the fun. [Beer]
I have issues with Great Britian, primarily their music... geesh.
I clicked the link and don't see the apology.
Where is the apology?
Come on, it's Obama. We all know he's apologized! I've heard that they're going to seize all our guns, sell them to Iran, and use the money to develop time traveling technology so that he can go back to 1941 and surrender to Japan.
He's only sending a delegation,,with no apologies.
No Apologies for Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Aug 5, 2005
IRVINE, CA--On August 6, 1945, American airmen detonated a nuclear bomb over Hiroshima, Japan, and three days later dropped a second nuclear bomb on Nagasaki. The bombs are estimated to have killed almost 300,000, most of them civilians.
Despite paroxysms of America-bashing by our professional intellectuals on the sixtieth anniversary of the bombings, America should be proud to have dropped the Bomb.
America was not the aggressor in World War II, but the victim of a brutal attack. Any deaths that occurred in America's self-defense, therefore, are to be blamed on the aggressors who made them necessary. It is the solemn responsibility of the U.S. government to protect American citizens, ruthlessly destroying those who threaten us. If civilians die in the process, as they did in Japan, it merely underscores the enormity of the stakes when a populace embraces (or submits to) a murderous, dictatorial regime.
Military historians may debate how much the Bomb shortened the war and how many American lives were saved. But the fact is American lives were saved--and this is the reason America should be proud of its grave decision sixty years ago.
It is worth remembering too that in the reconstruction of Japan there were no insurgents, no Japanese roadside bombs killing our soldiers. One reason is that the United States had shown, in the clearest possible terms, our willingness to wage total war against our enemies. Our military strategists in Iraq could learn from those who, sixty years ago, decided to spare no means in bringing the Japanese nation to its knees.
I don't know if anyone else can see the whole article; I can't, but from what I can ascertain from googling around this is the first time that the US has sent an envoy to mark the anniversary of the Hiroshima bomb. A survivor of Nagasaki has said that the US should apologize, and the son of Paul Tibbets has said that sending an envoy is an 'unspoken apology.'
I saw the part about the dignitary, but I don't know that honoring the dead is exactly the same as an apology.
DeusExMachina
08-06-2010, 11:12
Come on, ya'll know logic and rational thinking aren't allowed on here! Ruining all the fun. [Beer]
I have issues with Great Britian, primarily their music... geesh.
Their music isn't half as bad as the food!
Well that was an appropriate song on my shuffle...
The big shots -- try to hold it back
Fools try to wish it away
The hopeful depend on a world without end
Whatever the hopeless may say
CrufflerSteve
08-06-2010, 11:49
The Japanese surrender wasn't fully unconditional. They were allowed to keep their emperor. I believe MacArthur was involved in this decision. Seeing as the alternative was a full invasion and they had their crazies giving out spears to everybody it was probably a good idea. They were estimating a million US casualties in an invasion and Japanese would have been pretty much wiped out.
I'm a little prejudiced here since my Dad was in MacArthur's army. He would have been in that invasion.
One unfortunate part of this was that the Japanese never really faced up to what they had done and younger Japanese don't know why other Asians hate them since they weren't taught that history. they are still denying Nanking. The Germans know their history since that was a real surrender.
Steve
Half Live
08-06-2010, 20:20
The only thing I think we should be sorry for is not doing it earlier and they should be happy that we didn't drop anymore a-bombs on them.
Hitman 6
08-06-2010, 20:49
This is America. Please say "fuck" when it is warranted.
+76523985 Mother Fucker [Tooth][Beer]
dtotheatothevtothee
08-06-2010, 20:52
my boss is such a dickhead
Seamonkey
08-06-2010, 22:14
War is hell and the first casualty is the Truth.
Go back far enough in any countries history and they have done some pretty savage things. Pretty much any war on any continent during the evolution of the human race shows how nasty us humans can be to each other. America dropped one bomb then had to do it a second time to bring an end to the war.
I don't hate Japan and in fact I'm impressed with how rapidly they rebuilt their country. Looking at a map I can't fathom how tiny Japan took on China, that blows my mind.
But... being Obama with HIS history.. his motives are, IMHO, way too suspect. Why now? Why not now? Don't know and never will
As for my comment on mortars.. sorry, it's like saying I'm going to play in traffic. Lately it's almost like "5 o'clock Charlie" from MASH. Incoming rockets aren't that big of a deal anymore (until they get one in close) but I forget that saying something like that to those who haven't been here or, those who have been here when it was a lot worse, have a different meaning. Just nobody light any roman candles around me for awhile... [Tooth]
ChunkyMonkey
08-07-2010, 01:07
The Japanese surrender wasn't fully unconditional. They were allowed to keep their emperor.
It was unconditional by accepting the Potsdam declaration. The emperor retained its power was directed by the Gen MacArthur despite the opposition from the new Japanese civilian authority.
Does the Japanese Government send a delegation to the Pearl Harbour memorial services?
ChunkyMonkey
08-07-2010, 02:22
Does the Japanese Government send a delegation to the Pearl Harbour memorial services?
Yes, both previous emperor and the current one had paid their respect. HOWEVER, the japanese attacked the US. Not the other way around. For them to expect apology is simply wrong-- and there is no apologies so far.
Japan owes apology to China, Korea, and other pacific Asian countries for starting WWII.
US only stopped Japan from senseless killings of other Asian countries.
They were as bad as what Nazi did to others.
The Japanese surrender wasn't fully unconditional. They were allowed to keep their emperor. I believe MacArthur was involved in this decision. Seeing as the alternative was a full invasion and they had their crazies giving out spears to everybody it was probably a good idea. They were estimating a million US casualties in an invasion and Japanese would have been pretty much wiped out.
I'm a little prejudiced here since my Dad was in MacArthur's army. He would have been in that invasion.
One unfortunate part of this was that the Japanese never really faced up to what they had done and younger Japanese don't know why other Asians hate them since they weren't taught that history. they are still denying Nanking. The Germans know their history since that was a real surrender.
Steve
+1
Absolutely Right
Did any of the Japanese generals or other soldiers get brought up in international courts like their German counterparts?
Bailey Guns
08-07-2010, 09:22
Did any of the Japanese generals or other soldiers get brought up in international courts like their German counterparts?
Yes. Japanese war crimes trials went on from about 1946 - 1948. Several generals and others were executed including Hideki Tojo. The Russians conducted their own trials in Khaborovsk and the Chinese held trials and executed somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 accused of war crimes.
Obama is an apologist to the world for the "terrible" USA. If the media hadn't picked this up I'm sure there would have been a formal apology. Hell, this is the man that want's to apologize for slavery and pay restitution to all families that are descendant of slaves. It's amazing how much this POST TURTLE hates whites, jews and just America in general.
Can you imagine what this ass-hat is going to do when he's a lame duck in 2012? I don't want to even think about it. We have a hell of battle this year, with all these ultra liberals losing their seats, they will do some crazy stuff and perhaps one of their actions will be to apologize to Japan for not allowing more ships to sink in Pearl Harbor and that if it wasn't for George Bush we would have.
SA Friday
08-08-2010, 00:14
Lets compromise:
"Sorry bout those craters, but you started it."
Works for me, Beer time. [Beer]
DeusExMachina
08-08-2010, 00:58
Obama/libs will apologize for ANYTHING! They just want to be loved and accepted by those elitist Marxists in that sinking continent we call Europe.
Nothing worse than a liberal professor/historian who looks back on history and tries to find fault with the any victors- America, England, good guys,etc. Our colleges are full of these pricks who try to shame the US. Not sure what life experiences these cowards go through to make them feel guilty about what our ancestors did to save our bacon. Maybe breast fed too long??? Still on the teet but now the taxpayer being used?
I had one years ago teaching a US 20th century class. He hammered the US for Tokyo/Dresden bombings. Excuses like "innocent civilians", "no need for it", and "failed to end the war sooner anyway". When I mentioned Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, etc. he got really defensive- used the old "no better than the bad guys" liberal cop out. I learned nada from this prick. He even blamed the US for "forcing Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor!!!!We found out later he refused to be drafted for Viet Nam- he worked in a hospital kitchen instead for his "service". He is still teaching at the same college. pathetic. Bet his pension will be a shitload more than mine too.
Tor
I am amused that you have been educated.
Also, you have the same name as my pet cat.
Not sure what life experiences these cowards go through to make them feel guilty about what our ancestors did to save our bacon.
Have to go to college to teach it. College isn't some joke like serving a life sentence on the Supreme Court.
I kid I kid.
DeusExMachina
08-08-2010, 12:01
WTH??????
Educated? Not sure what you are implying. Hope to God you aren't a defender of liberal causes.
Tor
Oh okay, so you're not.
BushMasterBoy
08-08-2010, 14:10
History shows us...whoever has the weapons makes the rules. Why the American people vote in these lawyers that have no military experience as their Commander in Chief baffles me. At the same time the Generals that tell the truth are relieved of duty. All war is based on deception and we are being deceived by the powers that be. Do you actually believe that Osama bin Ladin is still alive? That Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction? They were all lies! It is all about the money...we went to war over resources!
I would like to apologize for kicking his ass outa office in 12', along with the rest of the fuk wads.
theGinsue
08-08-2010, 15:17
Japan is no longer "the enemy" and are in fact a very strong ally.
Do you have issue with Great Britain? Damn those redcoats!
Yes, Japan is NOW our ally, but he's not apologizing for buying their electronic products, he's apologizing for bombing their asses out of the action back in WWII - back when they WERE the enemy of the U.S., Korea, Chini, the Filipines, and a host of other nations. THAT is where the problem falls.
my boss is such a dickhead
Huh? Oh, I take it you a federal employee.
Lets compromise:
"Sorry bout those craters, but you started it."
Works for me, Beer time. [Beer]
That is PERFECT! Well played Friday!
Bailey Guns
08-08-2010, 16:02
Frankly, I think it's amazing how quickly a couple of well-placed nuclear weapons will change someone's mind on that whole "we're gonna dominate the entire eastern hemisphere" thing.
We went from the Japanese emperial command saying "fuck you" to "please God, make it stop" in 5 quick days. Game over...we win.
Personally, I'm a fan of nukes. Kept the commies at bay (well, from doing anything REALLY stupid) for over 50 years and they could solve a whole range of other problems, too, if we weren't a bunch of politcal pussies.
Byte Stryke
08-08-2010, 19:50
Overwhelming Firepower + Unwavering will to use it = Peace
Bullshit aside, you hesitate and you lose.
I am glad that I didn't have to make the decision, but I am also glad that the right one was made.
Frankly, I think it's amazing how quickly a couple of well-placed nuclear weapons will change someone's mind on that whole "we're gonna dominate the entire eastern hemisphere" thing.
We went from the Japanese emperial command saying "fuck you" to "please God, make it stop" in 5 quick days. Game over...we win.
Personally, I'm a fan of nukes. Kept the commies at bay (well, from doing anything REALLY stupid) for over 50 years and they could solve a whole range of other problems, too, if we weren't a bunch of politcal pussies.
Peace through Superior Firepower...[M2]
Bailey Guns
08-09-2010, 08:18
Peace through Superior Firepower...[M2]
Peace Through Vaporization
http://www.emotty.com/images/emoticons/709-447.gif
That, my friends, is STOPPING POWER
I don't know... all I'm saying is that a glass company with some canned sunshine could make some major money in the ME..... think about it!
I kid, HAHAHA.
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