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palepainter
08-06-2010, 08:35
I am deciding which program to get into for fitness and more modern defense training. I have had a few years of Taekwondo, but am looking for something different. Anyone have any experience with either program? Would love to get input.
Any sort of self defense will be good for ya. I've never used Systema, but KM is a lot of fun.
StagLefty
08-06-2010, 08:43
I took a free class in KM and damn near died !! Age and COPD were not good partners. Aggressive self defense discipline based on Israeli training I believe. I see your in Boulder-theres a studio in Broomfield if your interested. [Beer]
iamhunter
08-06-2010, 08:48
IMO most american KM facilities are a little gimmicky.
If you can find a place to learn combat-sambo, i'd say that's the best, but Systema is probably pretty decent as well.
You could always just go for a standard muay-thai/jiu-jitsu base and branch out from there.
is there still a KM place in Castle Rock?
I've been thinking about it and once life settles down a bit - kids go back to school - I'm thinking of doing something like that.
hurley842002
08-06-2010, 18:05
is there still a KM place in Castle Rock?
I've been thinking about it and once life settles down a bit - kids go back to school - I'm thinking of doing something like that.
Yes, and that location is the real deal. Rocky Mountain Krav Maga, has a really good program, and are not "gimmicky". I trained at their Parker/Quincy location for awhile, and that is good stuff.
I JUST found out there is a BJJ location right here in Parker, that i'm going to look into. Apparently the instructor is quite the Bad Ass. Was a Captain in the Marine Corps, and ran the Marine Corps Martial Arts program, along with many other Martial Arts accomplishments. I tried to stop by last night, but he was locking up shop as I pulled up. Here is the link to his site. http://authenticbjj.com/
First you should note, that there are several different "versions" of each.
If you are serious about it, you need a class from Mikhail Ryabko or some of his students. I think, there is somebody in Canada, but do not know for sure.
Go for Systema, if you can find a good instructor. I would think however, that there are many more Krav instructors in US.
Well...... I guess I will be doing some Krav Maga for $55.
($55 for One Month of Unlimited Krav Maga, CrossFit, and Fitness Classes (Up to $199 Value)
)
http://www.groupon.com/deals/colorado-krav-maga-denver?c=all&p=1
$55/mo unlimited KravMaga is better than ONE round (day) of golf! :D
It would be a great husband-wife activity.
sneakerd
07-06-2011, 08:05
I wish you luck there pal. I was heavily into various martial arts for approx 25 years of my adult life. Mostly TKD, and taught that for quite a while as well. I found that as I got older, the other students got younger. Most schools you go into now as an adult, they're looking behind you waiting for your kid to come in. They're also waaay expensive, most pushing towards $150 a month once you get past the initial cheap deal to get you in the door. Also very hard to find a good one. Many- like Steven Oliver's schools and the SEOs chain, are all about the sales and the money. Their entire goal is to get you to sign a retail installment agreement for as much as they can. I saw one in a car I repo'ed, and this is a number of years ago, for almost 15G for a few years of classes for a kid. He was a Steven Oliver instructor, and he had files of them in his car. Hard to find good training nearby when you're an adult. Now I go to the SFC rec center, treadmill-lift weights-swim. Waaay cheaper.[Weight]
Lex_Luthor
07-06-2011, 08:19
Mile Hi Karate and Seo's are 'fast food martial arts'. They send out material offering good, legitimate martial arts schools to sell out and become a Mile Hi Karate.[Puke]makes me sidk. We get that crap in the mail all the time. I go to Pai Lum White Dragon Kung Fu in Thornton. Did tkd for the majority of my childhood and teenage years. My perception of "good at martial arts" drastically changed after starting there.
sneakerd
07-06-2011, 08:25
I completely agree. Also, the Mile High and SEOs instructors are pushed harder on their salesmanship than they are at their martial arts. My judgement on a martial arts school usually began with a general appraisal of the instructors. I always needed to be sure that anyone teaching me could beat my ass pretty promptly!
I can't speak for any of the local Krav guys, but I've spent some time in Israel with the guys doing it over there and was impressed with the practical nature of it. Any discipline that teaches a proper butt stroke with an AR is OK in my book. I did take a couple of classes in the Springs some years ago and came away gassed and impressed.
flan7211
07-06-2011, 09:51
I've done Systema for three years and it kicks ass!!! Kav is also exceptional if you want to defend yourself. The biggest difference that I've heard from the two is Systema is more based on relaxed breathing and fluid reaction. While Kav is more about central focus and intensity. There is a Systema academy in Longemont.
If you weren't out in Boulder I'd tell you to come join me for a class..
Just like any training, or work out you get out what you put in... if you're expecting to go to a Cross-fit class and half ass it and see fast results you're dead wrong.. but you put in a solid effort and it'll happen.. for the first few weeks you'll be dead.. then you'll see your cardio and strength improve.. before long they'll just be another work out but you'll enjoy it.
Pat came to join me a few times.. he chickened out :)
He was a bit fluffy [Coffee]
I agree
Majority of Kids' Martial art places are more of a "baby sitting" places than actual martial art places.
That is how my parents initiall put me into TaeKwonDo.
I don't know TKD dojang/dojos or masters/gm has a pickup services, but when I was little, those TKD masters wait outside the school with a mini van.
It was more of a babysitter slash academy. More of afterschool activities , until parents picks them up.
strm_trpr
07-06-2011, 13:26
As a kid I was a part of a serious Akido Dojo in California, That was an awesome experiance. As an adult I did about 6 months of Krav Maga at this place in broomfield which was awesome, but I moved too far away and had a kid so that was just too much money. Krav is awesome though.
patrick0685
07-06-2011, 13:30
If you weren't out in Boulder I'd tell you to come join me for a class..
Just like any training, or work out you get out what you put in... if you're expecting to go to a Cross-fit class and half ass it and see fast results you're dead wrong.. but you put in a solid effort and it'll happen.. for the first few weeks you'll be dead.. then you'll see your cardio and strength improve.. before long they'll just be another work out but you'll enjoy it.
Pat came to join me a few times.. he chickened out :)
He was a bit fluffy [Coffee]
ouch...i will admit to needing to lose some weight, however i did not chicken out...im hoping in the fall he will change the schedule back to something that works well with me, i can only come to one day of class with the current schedule
I was never directly involved in Krav Maga, but I watched a lot of people who did it and the impression that I got was that it's not very practical for the average American citizen...KM was developed for combat by the isrealis, and as such there's no "middle ground" so to speak when it comes to your levels of engagement. It seems to me that once you choose to engage, you either kill or seriously maim your target, which can become a legal problem here (uncle joe gets a little tipsy and starts trying to beat up your buddy, I don't think we need to break his neck). From a defensive standpoint it's a fantastic martial art, but not really applicable in our daily lives. After 11 years in TKD I chose to switch to Combat Hapkido. There isn't very much as far as fitness goes, but it is strictly defensive, and a beautiful martial art for escaltion of force...nearly every technique can be used to either subdue, incapacitate, or neutralize an aggressor. I would highly recommend it if you can find somewhere that's teaching it.
Like I said before though, my conclusions on KM were drawn just from what I saw, so I could be talking out my ass.
joeyshoe
07-06-2011, 13:44
If you want my advice, I recommend Zumba fitness.
ouch...i will admit to needing to lose some weight, however i did not chicken out...im hoping in the fall he will change the schedule back to something that works well with me, i can only come to one day of class with the current schedule
Just had to get a shot in on you Pat.. :) Was only playin about the cheekun part.
I was never directly involved in Krav Maga, but I watched a lot of people who did it and the impression that I got was that it's not very practical for the average American citizen...KM was developed for combat by the isrealis, and as such there's no "middle ground" so to speak when it comes to your levels of engagement. It seems to me that once you choose to engage, you either kill or seriously maim your target, which can become a legal problem here (uncle joe gets a little tipsy and starts trying to beat up your buddy, I don't think we need to break his neck). From a defensive standpoint it's a fantastic martial art, but not really applicable in our daily lives. After 11 years in TKD I chose to switch to Combat Hapkido. There isn't very much as far as fitness goes, but it is strictly defensive, and a beautiful martial art for escaltion of force...nearly every technique can be used to either subdue, incapacitate, or neutralize an aggressor. I would highly recommend it if you can find somewhere that's teaching it.
Like I said before though, my conclusions on KM were drawn just from what I saw, so I could be talking out my ass.
Yeah you're pretty much talking out of your ass.. I have yet to learn any way to 'kill' or 'break a neck'... although just as in anything you learn it's what you apply to it.
I don't train with a firearm with the intent of killing anyone.. I train with the intent of preserving my own life or those around me if need be...
That being said if I have 0 control.. I'm very sure I could maim/seriously injure/kill someone.. but I can do that w/o any training in anything with proper motivation...
As far as it not being practical and a 'combat' self defense.. I welcome you to come try a class out..
patrick0685
07-06-2011, 15:30
ill have to agree with monky[Eek1]...while i was taking the class there was no neck breaking or killing, it was more about identifying the threat, stopping the threat, then escaping
gnihcraes
07-06-2011, 22:12
Interesting words about Stephen Oliver and Mile High Karate. I'm High brown belt in their venue. Not currently practicing.
Look into something like Aikido. More friendly to your body. I'm pretty beat up with the Taekwondo after several years.
A friend got into Kung Fu because Taekwondo was pretty harsh.
Just had to get a shot in on you Pat.. :) Was only playin about the cheekun part.
Yeah you're pretty much talking out of your ass.. I have yet to learn any way to 'kill' or 'break a neck'... although just as in anything you learn it's what you apply to it.
I don't train with a firearm with the intent of killing anyone.. I train with the intent of preserving my own life or those around me if need be...
That being said if I have 0 control.. I'm very sure I could maim/seriously injure/kill someone.. but I can do that w/o any training in anything with proper motivation...
As far as it not being practical and a 'combat' self defense.. I welcome you to come try a class out..
I stand corrected. My apologies.
I stand corrected. My apologies.
You're lucky he didn't break your neck!
You're lucky he didn't break your neck!
It's all he knows how to do!
I jest of course
I was never directly involved in Krav Maga, but I watched a lot of people who did it and the impression that I got was that it's not very practical for the average American citizen...KM was developed for combat by the isrealis, and as such there's no "middle ground" so to speak when it comes to your levels of engagement. It seems to me that once you choose to engage, you either kill or seriously maim your target, which can become a legal problem here (uncle joe gets a little tipsy and starts trying to beat up your buddy, I don't think we need to break his neck). From a defensive standpoint it's a fantastic martial art, but not really applicable in our daily lives. After 11 years in TKD I chose to switch to Combat Hapkido. There isn't very much as far as fitness goes, but it is strictly defensive, and a beautiful martial art for escaltion of force...nearly every technique can be used to either subdue, incapacitate, or neutralize an aggressor. I would highly recommend it if you can find somewhere that's teaching it.
Like I said before though, my conclusions on KM were drawn just from what I saw, so I could be talking out my ass.
Interesting words about Stephen Oliver and Mile High Karate. I'm High brown belt in their venue. Not currently practicing.
Look into something like Aikido. More friendly to your body. I'm pretty beat up with the Taekwondo after several years.
A friend got into Kung Fu because Taekwondo was pretty harsh.
I took TKD in Republic of Korea (South Korea). I think it was more harsh there than here from experiences and visually looking at others taking TKD here.
Yes, master there beat you up LOL... (at least during 80s).
I somewhat agree w/ statement above regarding Krav Maga. More excessive movements relative to some other martial arts out there. Little less efficient than Aikido/Hapkido, but some are choreographed.
I think diffilcult martial art I've ever taken was Kendo.
sneakerd
07-07-2011, 08:03
I found Aikido to be very hard on my body, especially my wrists. Also, the bigger and older you are, the harder on you it is, so I personally would not recommend that. However, if one were to choose that way, you should only go to Aikido Nippon-Kan, and train under Gaku Homma. They have an introductory course that will serve you well in your decision whether or not to continue there, without any long-term commitment. Thay are located at 14th and Osage. He's also one hell of a Japanese Country Chef!
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