best Saiga-12 video

[68Charger]

Someone over on saiga-12.com got a slo-mo camera, and edited this together..

love the weed-whacking action starting at 1:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB1o2isrCDI

[Hoosier]

Awesome!

I want both a high speed camera and a Saiga in 20 gauge.

H.

[Zundfolge]

Damn that makes me miss mine. Shoulda never sold it.

[ChunkyMonkey]

That clip just upgraded the saiga status from want to need!

[Irving]

Pretty cool of them to shoot up that house like that.

[Ranger]

I used my Saiga 12 to weed wack before. When I was camping there was this stagnant puddle, about 1' deep and 8' wide that was full of mosquito eggs. I loaded up the 20 round drum (a few times) and went to work - I cleared out all the vegetation near the pond and blew a nice opening into the hill and completely drained the pond.

FUN!

[BigMat]

welp, I want one of those now.

[steveopia]

I've got 2 but both are still in the sporter configuration. I can't wait to do the conversion. [UZI]

[Irving]

One thing I noticed during the video is that the gun kept coming off the guy's shoulder. Is that normal? Or do you think that it was just cause they were messing around?

[68Charger]

Also notice that he was grabbing the mag instead of the forward grip much of the time.. I think his video editing skills are much better than his firearms handling.

On the other board, he admitted that at 1:07, he fell on his ass.. so he wasn't using proper stances.. probably anticipating recoil, and pushing forward... which is worse than holding it firmly against your shoulder..

it's amazing the things that are plain as day in slow-mo, that would be hard to spot in real time.. anyone catch the stove-pipe at 1:28? watching the slow-mo, you can see that the galil-style handle is striking the hulls on their way out..

and that ring-o-fire from the muzzle flash of the SBS- he's made that his new avatar..

[Irving]

I saw the stove pipe, and that he was using his middle finger to operate the trigger.

[CareyH]

I saw the stove pipe, and that he was using his middle finger to operate the trigger.

yeah whats up with the middle finger trigger pulling?

[Ranger]

I saw the stove pipe, and that he was using his middle finger to operate the trigger.
The only time I have stove piped mine is when I used cheap wally world ammo and it wasn't really broken in yet - now I get an occasional mis-feed but it's rare.

[TEAMRICO]

If anyone has been behind a Saiga with a 10 or 12 rd Mag with number 2,4,00 or slugs knows you will get knocked on your a$$ if you are NOT standing properly.
I saw the stovepipe and have had that happen when using number 7 or 8 shot to shot at clays.
Plus you will REALLY feel it later that day and in the morning when you get up!
But damn it is FUNNNN!
I love my Saiga 12!!!!!

[rfizzle]

Also notice that he was grabbing the mag instead of the forward grip much of the time.. I think his video editing skills are much better than his firearms handling.

On the other board, he admitted that at 1:07, he fell on his ass.. so he wasn't using proper stances.. probably anticipating recoil, and pushing forward... which is worse than holding it firmly against your shoulder..

it's amazing the things that are plain as day in slow-mo, that would be hard to spot in real time.. anyone catch the stove-pipe at 1:28? watching the slow-mo, you can see that the galil-style handle is striking the hulls on their way out..

and that ring-o-fire from the muzzle flash of the SBS- he's made that his new avatar..

+1
This guy can shoot some video

The fact they he fell down, and if you watch he's still shooting while falling....

and the whole middle finger thing.

Half the time he doesn't even have it on his shoulder the recoil pushes it back into him...

but hey it looks cool......

[al_g]

Pretty cool video overall. The shooter in me cringed many times at his techniques, but video was great.

[68Charger]

in the other post he said it was all wally world value packs, except for one part that are black shells- those are Turkey steel 3" loads..

I think he was doing the middle finger for speed, don't know for sure.

Certainly not an instructional/how-to video, but the camera work & editing was good- and it was highly entertaining

[Ranger]

If anyone has been behind a Saiga with a 10 or 12 rd Mag with number 2,4,00 or slugs knows you will get knocked on your a$$ if you are NOT standing properly.

YUP, THIS!

[UZI]

[Roger]

Loser. He has no idea how to shoot a shotgun.

[Byte Stryke]

If anyone has been behind a Saiga with a 10 or 12 rd Mag with number 2,4,00 or slugs knows you will get knocked on your a$$ if you are NOT standing properly.
Plus you will REALLY feel it later that day and in the morning when you get up!


I had a SPAS12 in the late 90s, that thing would tear your arm off at the neck if you didn't love it right.

One of the Guns I REALLY hated selling.

[justinmcmillion]

You guys talk a lot of shit....

I DO know how to handle my firearm, you need to pay close attention that there are 2 shooters in this video and 2 specific styles of shooting. (Im the one with the camo hat.)

I use a mag hold because it allows for quicker mag changes and allows me to sink my left elbow into my torso for a more steady hold (try it)

I fell on my ass because I was sitting on my feet (try it) to make for a low to the ground video of weed trimming...

A lot of what was done in this video was strictly just for video sake and it wasn't a how to shoot tutorial, it was a view of the saiga 12 that has never been posted on youtube

The middle finger IS for speed only (not me) and he doesnt shoulder it on purpose because he also gets much fast fire rate this way (ask him)

After viewing in slow mo I can see that the galil style charge handle does attribute to stovepipes but this is only with wally world ammo.

Feel free to ask any questions, but there's no need to talk shit..

Justin

btw 68charger look at your avitar and notice the mag grip...

[Jer]

You guys talk a lot of shit....

I DO know how to handle my firearm, you need to pay close attention that there are 2 shooters in this video and 2 specific styles of shooting. (Im the one with the camo hat.)

I use a mag hold because it allows for quicker mag changes and allows me to sink my left elbow into my torso for a more steady hold (try it)

I fell on my ass because I was sitting on my feet (try it) to make for a low to the ground video of weed trimming...

A lot of what was done in this video was strictly just for video sake and it wasn't a how to shoot tutorial, it was a view of the saiga 12 that has never been posted on youtube

The middle finger IS for speed only (not me) and he doesnt shoulder it on purpose because he also gets much fast fire rate this way (ask him)

After viewing in slow mo I can see that the galil style charge handle does attribute to stovepipes but this is only with wally world ammo.

Feel free to ask any questions, but there's no need to talk shit..

Justin

btw 68charger look at your avitar and notice the mag grip...

(no)

[Irving]

Welcome to the club!

[justinmcmillion]

For the people on here who stood up for me and the person who originally posted this;

Thank you

[rfizzle]

This is going to get good
[Pop]

do we have a flame thrower "smilie"? I feel like that would work well in this situation.

Dude you made a cool video, cool song, cool slow mo. But you also fell on you @$$ while still shooting.... don't like comments don't put your stuff on youtube

[Hoosier]

Hey what kind of camera did you shoot it with?

H.

[68Charger]

No offense intended in any of my posts- I figured you were focused on the camera work, lighting, setup, etc...
I didn't catch that there were 2 shooters- I figured they were shot at different times, and there was a wardrobe change... but now that you mention it, one has a beard & glasses, lol- guess I was too focused on the guns to see that..
so the Saiga coming off the shoulder was almost a slo-mo detail of bump fire but he was holding the pistol grip...

I thought the video was awesome, it shows so many things that you don't see in real time- and most that do slow-mo videos don't focus on the right things to catch them... falling on your ass may not be tactical, but it made for a great shot...

I thought it a bit odd using a mag grip when you have a forward grip- my avatar is an AK pistol, there is no forward grip (besides the mag). :) I understand your logic- I'll give it a try, but learned shotgun on a pump- no vertical mag to grab..

I see that camera as a great training aid- I wonder how many bad habits would show up that we don't catch in real time... and as a diagnostic tool- you can see what's going on with the action when the cover is off.

I believe it was a Casio EX-F1 camera... they run about a grand +/-

[Sixgun]

Only thing I have to say is "THANKS ALOT"!!!! Where can I get me one of damn things.


Are they SBR's or 16in barrels?

BAD ASS!!!![Beer]

[justinmcmillion]

This is how I was positioned when I fell.. Best picture I could find...

http://www.untitledname.com/archives/upload/2005/5/kissena-classic-crouched.jpg

I dont mind rude comments when they are directed straight to me, but when I stumble across a forum where people are calling me a dumbass I get a little red. [Rant1] You would too!

None the less, no hard feelings just wanted to set the record straight and give you guys a direct line to the "Loser" that made the video.

The other guy in the video is an Avid paint baller so most of his technique is derived from that, I dont understand it and it doesnt work for me, but he can put many rounds very fast down range and hit was he is aiming at.

The Forward grip on my SBS is for other people (ie gf) and looks.., I dont use forward grips because I feel that Im reaching to far out to get to one, Esp. on an AK with rock and lock mags. without the forward grip on the s12 it is very hard to hold onto during fast mag dumps (unless you hold the mag in my case)

The camera definitely illustrates a lot of things that you cant see with the naked eye and I have noticed a few things that will help my shooting.

Yes the camera is a Cassio EX-F1

One of the Saiga's is a 19" "restored"
and the other is a Custom 10" SBS

You can pick up the s12 many places if you know an FFL like centerfiresystems, but then you'll need to "restore" it

[Irving]

It's called a Third World Squat. Everyone should practice doing it every day.

[justinmcmillion]

I would do one foot and one knee if I were to shoot from a crouched position with the s12 again, there is a bit too much recoil for me obviously to keep balanced.

http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_free_images/0420-0907-0717-2047_greek_sailors_crouched_with_weapons_during_a_ training_exercise_m.jpg

ak47/74 or AR15 should be no problem with the "third world squat" [Tooth]

[justinmcmillion]

Well guys, if you need to contact me for any reason send me a message on youtube or feel free to email me > justinmcmillion@yahoo.com

I have enough forums to keep up with as it is, enjoy the beautiful state you reside in.

Justin