View Full Version : 10th Special getting a 4th Batt.
So, it's now official: 10th Special Forces is getting a 4th Battalion.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Please keep in mind that these are just my opinions and I they may be skewed from my own life experiences.
Here is what I see: EVERYONE moving towards the "include all" and "everyone is a winner".
In public schools: TAG programs now must include all folks including those mentally challenged.
In public sports: Athletics must take the fat boy who wouldn't normally be able to make the team due to fear of discrimination charges.
In work life: Companies must hire a certain quota of ethincities (regardless of who is "better" on paper) to maintain EEOC compliance, etc.
And I can go on and on. It seems to me that there isn't anymore elitism and I honestly believe that there should be. Someone SHOULD be the best at something, etc. If not, it loses value. If everyone had a near mint Hogus Wagner baseball card, it wouldn't be valued at 1.5 million card. Etc.
With this new battalion, yes they'll get more people and be able to serve in larger capcities etc... But the SF hold a special place.... Adding more people to that elite group seems like it's caving to the pressures of "everyone must be included".
Remember this: Nothing good comes from losing, except without it, winning means nothing.
First they take away the "special status" from the elite bands (AF academy, Pershings, etc.) in the military and now this... No wonder they're having a hard time recruiting. God I wish I could've served my country... Eh, I need some caffiene.
Byte Stryke
08-18-2010, 08:57
Unless there is a link to an article I'm Missing I think you might be off base a tad.
Military units will sometimes add subordinate units during times of war for rotational purposes or as supporting units.
I Find it extremely difficult to believe that the silent green would lower their standards simply to comply with some PC Equality shit.
I for one think that "Social Equality" sucks ass. I'm ok with the fact that some are better, wealthier, and have better looks than me. I dont think the Military is a place for the liberal agenda of "social equality".[Tooth]
Unless there is a link to an article I'm Missing I think you might be off base a tad.
Military units will sometimes add subordinate units during times of war for rotational purposes or as supporting units.
I Find it extremely difficult to believe that the silent green would lower their standards simply to comply with some PC Equality shit.
I heard it from a guy on Carson... I'll do some googling and try to find an article. I find it difficult to believe too which is why I'm upset.
I for one think that "Social Equality" sucks ass. I'm ok with the fact that some are better, wealthier, and have better looks than me. I dont think the Military is a place for the liberal agenda of "social equality".[Tooth]
Amen Mx'R.
EDITED for Link: http://www.military.com/news/article/green-berets-add-battalion-at-ft-carson.html
I feel a little better I guess, sounds to me like an internal shuffle. They aren't adding the average joe. See, good to get the whole story... I need to quit posting.
I guess I just feel bad. Went to observe a music teacher the other day... They @%^& sucked and didn't know what they are doing... I want a job in MY FIELD. Grrr...
Hitman 6
08-18-2010, 09:08
It could also have something to do with politicians going to the military and saying "if elite forces are so good, make more of them". Well, as usual with the government, when you plug common sense and reality into their ideas, they become a fluffy 3 layer horse shit cake with a goat piss frosting. Nothing "mass produced" can be considered "elite". Take the gloves and the handcuffs off the ones we have and let them do their job and they might be surprised at the result. I'm a fat truck driver with no military experience and even I know that.[Rant2] [Coffee]
Byte Stryke
08-18-2010, 09:28
That's actually what I Suspected.
Yeah, I can see them reorganize what they have and maybe add a few to help cover the missions and rotations. I Don't see them buckling under the political boot to let just anyone in.
My guess is they are expanding SOCOM forces to ramp up for more covert wars.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060304965_pf.html
My understanding is that many very qualified people apply for SOF each year, and the majority are rejected due to limited slots. I don't think increasing the number accepted means lowering the bar, they still have to pass that insane training program, right? Anyway, I don't think expansion of SOF equates to drafting up the residents of the nursing home.
There is some talk of Carson getting an Army aviation unit, and putting in a gate around exit 112 on I-25, a few miles north of Pueblo. This was in the local newspaper.
H.
Hitman 6
08-18-2010, 09:37
My guess is they are expanding SOCOM forces to ramp up for more covert wars.
I don't think expansion of SOF equates to drafting up the residents of the nursing home.
H.
Awww man, I thought I had a legitimate shot![Tooth]
So, it's now official: 10th Special Forces is getting a 4th Battalion.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Please keep in mind that these are just my opinions and I they may be skewed from my own life experiences.
[snip a bunch of stuff about allowing retards to be seen as normal people]
First they take away the "special status" from the elite bands (AF academy, Pershings, etc.) in the military and now this... No wonder they're having a hard time recruiting. God I wish I could've served my country... Eh, I need some caffiene.
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No offense. ;)
My guess is that the needs to have SF is far greater with the war so they create a new BN for it. I would guess that Rangers will get a new BN too soon because their class size has grown substantially over the last decade because they are needed in Afghanistan particularly.
[ROFL1] [ROFL2] [ROFL3]
No offense. ;)
No, I understand.... but for a musician in todays world, a "special" military position is very, very highly wanted/rewarded. No one values music and the military is a great paying/great job security for certain bands.. It was a shame that they degraded most of them to feild band stations.
Something that made those bands so special was that they didn't have a 2-3 year rotation. Those guys got to play with each other for years/decades which lead to some amazing music being performed as they could anticipate each other's nuances and how they would handle the music.... Kind of hard to explain.
The really sad was is the AF Falcs... they were on the level of Count Basie and played with the complete list of "who's who" in jazz... but now in a few years since they lost their special status, people will be rotated in and out and they'll lose that edge that made them so well known, they'll be nothing special.
It's like taking the chicago philharmonic and putting high schoolers in with them and still expecting the same amount of musical performance and integrity...
My guess is that the needs to have SF is far greater with the war so they create a new BN for it. I would guess that Rangers will get a new BN too soon because their class size has grown substantially over the last decade because they are needed in Afghanistan particularly.
75th has already added D & E support companies to each Bn. They disgrace the scroll by wearing it and not going through RIP/ROP and wear maroon berets inside the fence. Since then, there have been an increase in administrative actions taken against 75th in general, due to the sub-standard soldiers (not Rangers) they are letting into the unit. I liked it better when you got you butt kicked out (after wall to wall counseling) for being an idiot. Good thing most of these guys stay in the rear and out of our way in the fight.
If this trend is happening in 75th, it's probably spreading through Groups as well. Eventually, you won't even have to qualify with a weapon/pass a PT test/complete a ruck march to get in so we don't offend those who can't make it....that "kinder, gentler Army" B.S. thats going on. What next, issue teddy bears instead of IV bags, warm hugs instead of bullets? WTF?
...sorry, rant over....
I'll add my 2 cents I guess. Couple of weeks after I got to unit in the 101st, they sent me off to AA school, about 3/4 through the run, I developed shin spits and basicly ended up crawling over the finsh line about 90 seconds too late to "get in to school" so I was a wash out.
Now, since I was so short, they did not send me back to the school. However, while I was out running around in the woods I did everything the guys with the little winged helicopter did. Flew, rappled, and jumped out of helicopters. All, with the extra 45 pounds of aid bag I had to carry around.
I realize it may not be quite the same comparison as Ranger school, Though around Campbell, I'm sure they think it is..
Now, did I ever feel like I was a disgrace to the old puking buzzard? No, I was there to do my job to the best of my ability and I do feel that I accomplished that.
ColoCCW, my thoughts exactly and I'd like to add:
If being a success was so easy, it'd be called mediocracy.
No, I understand.... but for a musician in todays world, a "special" military position is very, very highly wanted/rewarded. No one values music and the military is a great paying/great job security for certain bands.. It was a shame that they degraded most of them to feild band stations.
The militarys job is to kill people and break things. One guy on base/post should know how to bugle Taps and thats it. Anything else is a waste of manpower.
Sorry, but that is just the way I think it should be.
Unfortunately a lot of places don't even honor TAPS. They have a recording of it....
Waste of manpower?... yeah, my degrees and all do seem wasteful, but hindsight is 20/20. Always say people don't respect music because of all the brittney spears craptastic #%^ out there...
No offense Hoser. Bad day for me.
The military's job should be to kill and break things but that went down decades ago when our military got a muzzle put on with Geneva codes and crap. My personal thought is if two "tribes" start a war. By the end, there ought to be just one tribe. But then we get into monopoly issue and the tribe with teh best tech/scientists/etc wins, blah, blah, blah...
Whatever, sry.
The militarys job is to kill people and break things. One guy on base/post should know how to bugle Taps and thats it. Anything else is a waste of manpower.
Isn't there a certain amount of pageantry to the armed forces? For example, when a training class of cadets gets their wings, or for the Fourth of July and parades and stuff? This year we had USMC guys in the Russian international armed forces parade through red square. The honor guard at the tomb of the unknown soldier, like the Brits have their guards with the tall hats. The Indians and Pakistani's go totally over the top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZZlV7jnwU
I thought this was done for the troops, something that improves morale? It is a waste of manpower, there's now upside to it? You don't need someone to play taps, speakers would work. What about MP's, and all the "indirect" support... like support for families and spouses, PX/BX, sports fields on base?
Just curious, never been in the service and only seen what life on and off base is like for relatives. Seen plenty of parades, I'd say in some regard these music/parade/band units are the more public face of the services.
H.
75th has already added D & E support companies to each Bn. They disgrace the scroll by wearing it and not going through RIP/ROP and wear maroon berets inside the fence.
Wow, that's sad. Sounds like Rangers are losing their edge. Didn't we just have this discussion about wearing the tab without going through RS? I suppose this would be a case in point.
I like the teddy bears and hugs thing, that really needs done. I can think of a couple times I could have used one or both in training [AR15].
Support staff have their place....there is no shame in not being "one of those guys." As reluctant as I am to admit this, warriors cannot survive with some support (logistics, family support, even recruiters). Someone has to pack chutes, fix weapons, deal with pay and paperwork, even deliver more ammo to the battlefield. Just don't get upset when we don't let you in our circle when you don't meet the same standards. We're not being disrespectful, just proud. To quote American Express, "Membership has its privlidges."
I like the teddy bears and hugs thing, that really needs done. I can think of a couple times I could have used one or both in training [AR15].
I take it the sarcasm is implied there....you know what you would get for asking for either of those (besides laughter and some wall to wall counselling).
palepainter
08-18-2010, 15:08
We need more SF for our future invasion of Iran. :(
You don't need someone to play taps, speakers would work.
Wow, does everyone feel this way about an honor given to deceased troops? Wow... I'm truly sad now. I would turn down money offers when I did funerals for fallen vets when asked to play TAPS because it's an honor thing.... Wow...
See y'all tomorrow.
You're letting your bad day get in the way of understanding the point.
I take it the sarcasm is implied there....you know what you would get for asking for either of those (besides laughter and some wall to wall counselling).
Yea, I'd have to find a tree :). And, of COURSE, I was being utterly sarcastic! Oh, and I've never needed W2WC, but have known many who did...
Wow, does everyone feel this way about an honor given to deceased troops? Wow... I'm truly sad now. I would turn down money offers when I did funerals for fallen vets when asked to play TAPS because it's an honor thing.... Wow...
I meant revelrie, whatever the wake up call is. That's only in boot camp, right?
H.
-There's revelie in the am and retreat in the pm. More use for a bugler than just TAPS.
"Back in the day"...Buglers used to stand next to the order issuing officer and belt out teh commands such as right/left flank, charge, retreat, attack, etc all with teh use of his horn. He was also considered a high ranking official and was to be given quarter and taken care of he was captured. I actually have an old buglers book and it has close to a hundred different calls that were supposed to be memorized, from reverly, to call to chow, call to arms, to TAPS, to lights out, etc... It's pretty interesting.
OneGuy67
08-19-2010, 15:49
I've been here at Fort Carson for the past two weeks doing some training and I've noticed an awful lot of E-3 and E-4's wearing the SF patch without the SF tab or airborne wings and no combat patch. It does lead some credibility to the belief they are starting to back fill positions.
I dunno...just my observations.
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