View Full Version : Are You Ready to 'Bug Out' and Why
I often read about people talking about SHTF and bugging out on here, and I am one of those people, but our reasons might be different. I'm interested to find out who is ready to bug out and what they think the most likely reason would be to have to.
I have some basics put together but haven't really had the money to put together something I would feel secure bugging OUT with... plus, I seriously doubt my car could handle a bug OUT. That being said, I do have a friends house that I'd be able to get to to bug IN. lol. And if need be, could survive in the apartment for a while.
Biggest problem I "feel" is civil unrest. People just ain't happy.
BPTactical
08-19-2010, 10:18
If the need would arise to Bug I think we would sit tight at least for a couple of days. If SHTF the roads would be a mess and the thugs would be in full predatory mode. Why not let things settle a bit and see what pans out. Short of a total collapse of society I think any unrest would fade quickly and things would settle down.
Pure amateur hour for the first day or two and the enforcing powers would be out in full force looking for Cammie wearing and gun toting "survivalist" and "militia" types.
We have enough goods and water stashed to last a couple of weeks if needed.
If things stay dicey then carefully and calmly depart to check on the folks on the Western slope, using alternate routes beside the highways.
StagLefty
08-19-2010, 10:24
I've been in the surviving mindset for awhile and have built up a pretty good everything supply. Food,water,cooking,heat options,defense,etc. My opinion is bugging out is the last option because I'd be restricted to what I could take. If I had to leave I'd hook up with some like minded friends and combine assets. I don't know if I'll live to see it but I feel that sooner or later there will be civil unrest in this country on a scale we haven't seen before. Meanwhile the cartoon channel is the only thing that makes sense anymore. [Beer]
Meanwhile the cartoon channel is the only thing that makes sense anymore.
Don't know about that... I have a neice and we watch some cartoons... to me, they are ridiculously horrible!!! lol. [Beer]
I feel it doesn't hurt to be prepared. Like some of you, I plan on staying put for as long as possible if SHTF, but am prepared to leave in a hurry if needed. I'm stocked for at least 6 months of everything I need, but have several exit strategies and "bug out locations" if I had to go to that extreme. I don't think it hurts to be prepared. My poor fiance has to do practice "bug outs" with me once a year to make sure we have everything we need in an emergency :).
Just started working on extra food and water supply. We've got maybe a week or two worth of food and water. After that I don't know what we'd do. Mostly bug in.
Byte Stryke
08-19-2010, 11:01
I have the plan, the place, the gear and the bags.
Scariest thing is if you sit and watch the news while considering this.
The U.S. is ONE of the oldest systems of Government and nothing lasts forever.(I know there are older systems, debate argue etc..)
People are smart, Mobs are stupid
Money means Nothing, Gold means less, force means everything.
The instinct to survive will make people do things they normally wouldn't do.I keep all of these things in mind while doing anything.
I have potential places, that we'd have to share with 45 other family members. :/
palepainter
08-19-2010, 11:22
Like the others, I do not feel the need to leave. I am out in the sticks. Pretty well prepared for most anything.
Well, for any of you Springs folks... I do work in mapping... just saying if you want some "research" on certain areas.... you have my PM.
steveopia
08-19-2010, 11:33
If the need would arise to Bug I think we would sit tight at least for a couple of days. If SHTF the roads would be a mess and the thugs would be in full predatory mode. Why not let things settle a bit and see what pans out. Short of a total collapse of society I think any unrest would fade quickly and things would settle down.
Well put and I agree. I would maybe try to bounce out a bit quicker if "they" started shipping people off to FEMA camps. Yeah yeah, I said it. Call me paranoid . . . . .
I have potential places, that we'd have to share with 45 other family members. :/
Want to make it 46 . . brother?!? [Beer]
I've got gear although it needs to be organized better. My exit plan and place to go need work. I may be Red Dawn'ing it. [Tooth] In all seriousness though I do need to work on my overall bug out plan.
I wonder how the Army would feel about people bugging in to Ft. Carson. They've got a lot of land down south. Guess it depends on what happens.
H.
Bailey Guns
08-19-2010, 11:43
My place is probably as defensible as most any other on the off chance that's needed. Access is fairly restricted and easily monitored. I answered "No" to the poll question but we are prepared to leave - for the most part - in case of a fire. That's our biggest worry at the moment.
We have ample food and other necessities and an underground water supply (well). Our well has a hand pump on it, too. We also have a generator that will run most anything and a full 1000 gal propane tank.
We'd probably just "bug in" here with a few other close friends if required.
I'll gladly shoot most of my neighbors and aquire their food and water(Liberal Scumbags). I'm staying put in the Mountains.
I still think posting up at a library would be better than a Wal-mart. Everyone will go to Wal-mart.
blackford76
08-19-2010, 11:57
I'll be bugging "in". By the time I need to resupply, the citiots should have killed each other off.
I'll gladly shoot most of my neighbors and aquire their food and water(Liberal Scumbags). I'm staying put in the Mountains.
HAHAHAHA, love it!!! [Beer]
I'll gladly shoot most of my neighbors and aquire their food and water(Liberal Scumbags). I'm staying put in the Mountains.
As long as your bullets are worth you acquiring only bean sprouts and moldy tofu.
ChunkyMonkey
08-19-2010, 12:06
Id stay put for up-to a month, otherwise its bugging out time to the predetermined mountain location. I really need 4X4 !!!
ronaldrwl
08-19-2010, 12:38
I voted no because I intend to stay under most scenarios and hold the fort
ronaldrwl
08-19-2010, 12:44
I'll gladly shoot most of my neighbors and aquire their food and water(Liberal Scumbags). I'm staying put in the Mountains.
Hmm, wow
johngraves2
08-19-2010, 13:43
i voted natural disaster, supper volcano to the north, but i also think eventually something will happen to the society in the next 50-100 years.
i got some gear, most of it is camping stuff, but high quality everything. if you are going to buy somethign why not save the money and buy the best of the best so it is what you actually will use and will last a while. We also have a plan, and all the basic tools as well as extensive outdoors knowledge.
Naw where we live I have a + advantage over incoming threats. we shop costco for bulk, I stock the freezer. And we have always had to survive. maybe that's why the Great Spirit has taught us so much.
supper volcano
What do they serve with that? Tater's?, veggies?
As long as your bullets are worth you acquiring only bean sprouts and moldy tofu.
[ROFL1].. that's the truth. Maybe some granola and wheat grass.
DD977GM2
08-19-2010, 14:17
Poll fail.
No option for bugging in where I am at.
Being in suburbiia, I have reinforced my house as best I can to keep unwanteds out even in an event of SHTF.
My food stores and water are there and my ammo and firearms to arm the neighborhood.
I wont be going anywhere. If this happenes when I am out of town, I have a rifle and pistol and my mountain gear to walk home if I have to.
If it gets bad, we have a bug out place to go. Hope it never happens though.
Byte Stryke
08-19-2010, 14:19
supper volcano
What do they serve with that? Tater's?, veggies?
Do you serve red or white with Volcano?
BPTactical
08-19-2010, 14:55
Do you serve red or white with Volcano?
As long as it is served from a box it is appropriate.
Lava cake will be served for dessert.
jerrymrc
08-19-2010, 14:59
I wonder how the Army would feel about people bugging in to Ft. Carson. They've got a lot of land down south. Guess it depends on what happens.
H.
Been thought of.
jerrymrc
08-19-2010, 15:00
And I know nothing of such stuff. And no matter where you are at you need to be able to bug in before you bug out.
I'm going to White Fence Farm in Lakewood.
OgenRwot
08-19-2010, 15:11
I will be bugging IN for as long as I can. I have everything I need right here, including shelter, cover, concealment, components for reloading, water, food etc etc etc. The only reason I'm leaving is if there is fallout heading my way. No sense getting on the road with 4 million other people trying to leave the city.
I put natural disaster because that seems like the most immediate problem that may arise. My little tinfoil hat also takes into account civil problems but not to as great of a degree. I'm also on the bug in plan if at all possible.
Yes, but if you bug in first aren't the roads all going to be blocked with abandoned vehicles and possibly roadblocks in towns between you and your destination? (depending on why you bug, of course, though complete anarchy disasters are the "fun" scenario)
I think there is a vast gulf between a temporary problem and TEOTWAWKI and you have totally different preparation for each.
Super Volcano? If Yellowstone blows I have a feeling we would have to bug out so far it would be nearly impossible. One of those, make your piece situations it seems
GoldFinger
08-19-2010, 15:40
I think they fall into three categories
1. - Bug in - Being able to ride out a "temporary" hardship, but there is still distribution and supply lines.
2. - Bug out - Not safe in the city or suburbs anymore, distribution lines are failing and we must become self-sufficient.
3. - Kiss your ass goodbye. - Big ass volcano goes off, blocks sun, 99.99% of the population dies.
There are many different causes for any one of these scenario's but I'll definitely bug in as long as it's relatively safe, then I'm out of here. I've got a "sorta" plan for bugging out, but it definitely could use some practical work and practice.
What do you guys plan to do if you end up bugging out, and when you get to your destination, you find your spot is already occupied?
Shoot first, ask them to leave afterwords :).
Not Threaten to call the police and wave your land title in their face?
I'll gladly shoot most of my neighbors and aquire their food and water(Liberal Scumbags). I'm staying put in the Mountains.
I'll bug in and put my Obama magnet on the car. If you could bring plenty of ammo and maybe some other supplies when you come to acquire my food and water I'll gladly add yours to my stockpile :)
trlcavscout
08-19-2010, 22:21
In almost every situation the roads are gonna be clogged with abandoned cars, being natural disaster, or uprising or outside invasion. And if you do get on the road you would be a highly visible target. Or the super volcano thing, thats gonna hurt! Best to move out quick on foot if possible to a closer location in the hills, then reassess at a later time, higher ground is the way to go. Problem with being unwheeled is finding a place to stash your long term supplies.
My thought is that if you bug in, your chances of escape get lower everyday as there are fewer people moving and targets are easier to spot? Most of us here know how it works out in the end for the ones who stick around cities. Eventually they come for you!
I do agree with the take from those who choose not to defend themselves theory. If it comes down to me or them, I will see my kids that night!
blackford76
08-19-2010, 22:34
Yes, but if you bug in first aren't the roads all going to be blocked with abandoned vehicles and possibly roadblocks in towns between you and your destination? (depending on why you bug, of course, though complete anarchy disasters are the "fun" scenario)
I think there is a vast gulf between a temporary problem and TEOTWAWKI and you have totally different preparation for each.
One ton 4x4 with a big-ass winch, 12k lbs moves more than you think.
Yeah, but I bet there'll be a shitload more abandoned cars than you think or have time and ability to address, too. ;)
Byte Stryke
08-20-2010, 20:30
Yeah, but I bet there'll be a shitload more abandoned cars than you think or have time and ability to address, too. ;)
I'm Thinking, you stop off at the local CDOT yard, Grab a Big-ass Plowtruck and Run the middle line between cars.
Trick will be to get a running start and provide lots of cover-fire.
:D
I'll bug in and put my Obama magnet on the car. If you could bring plenty of ammo and maybe some other supplies when you come to acquire my food and water I'll gladly add yours to my stockpile :)
Is the Obama magnet part of you BOB? might need to aquire one of those for the range. need something new to shoot at.[Tooth]
BPTactical
08-20-2010, 21:10
I'm Thinking, you stop off at the local CDOT yard, Grab a Big-ass Plowtruck and Run the middle line between cars.
Trick will be to get a running start and provide lots of cover-fire.
:D
The nice thing there are those amongst that could implement this plan.....Tandem with a 14' plow and the wing. It would actually have a certain entertainment value
[Muaha]
The nice thing there are those amongst that could implement this plan.....Tandem with a 14' plow and the wing. It would actually have a certain entertainment value
[Muaha]
there's no difference between that and RTD [ROFL1]
Byte Stryke
08-20-2010, 22:46
there's no difference between that and RTD [ROFL1]
CDOT Plows last a bit longer
I was refering to the "running over of people" part.
blackford76
08-20-2010, 23:27
OK, so we are gonna play it that way...fine. 992G, with two 777D's as backup. Only thing to beat that is an Abrams. I know where said CAT equipment is located, and have the code to the gate AND fuel tanks. [Tooth]
blackford76
08-20-2010, 23:44
Yeah, but I bet there'll be a shitload more abandoned cars than you think or have time and ability to address, too. ;)
Sure, lots of cars in the way, but I bet more than a little fuel too. Winch 'em up on thier sides, pop a hole in the lowest point of the fuel tank, presto! fuel and cover! Besides, I've got plenty of time, and a couple buddies covering me.
[Coffee]
ive got your 6 o'clock buddy you can count on me
nogaroheli
08-21-2010, 00:11
Sure, lots of cars in the way, but I bet more than a little fuel too. Winch 'em up on thier sides, pop a hole in the lowest point of the fuel tank, presto! fuel and cover! Besides, I've got plenty of time, and a couple buddies covering me.
[Coffee]
Count me in! I'd love to be one of them buddies..
blackford76
08-21-2010, 00:59
ive got your 6 o'clock buddy you can count on me
That is VERY comforting![Beer]
blackford76
08-21-2010, 01:00
Count me in! I'd love to be one of them buddies..
Same goes for you, Dain![Beer]
Seems I'm on my way to having a private army!
Sure, lots of cars in the way, but I bet more than a little fuel too. Winch 'em up on thier sides, pop a hole in the lowest point of the fuel tank, presto! fuel and cover! Besides, I've got plenty of time, and a couple buddies covering me.
[Coffee]
I had to look up what a 992G and 777D are... if this is a 992G,
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Caterpillar-992G.jpg
I think you could rig up a siphon tube to the bucket, so that if you lift the car up you could drain the gasoline into the bucket, and from there through filters into a catch of some kind. However, that Cat must be diesel. The side tanks on big rigs are easy to see, easy to puncture, but I don't think even this thing can lift a big rig w/ trailer... not because of weight, just the length of a 18wheeler. Then again, all you'd have to do is push it out of the way.
Anyway, unless you keep this at home, you'd still have to get from your domicile to where this is. My plan is just to be able to drive through the ditches along the side of roads. 4" lift on 33" should get me through or around most obstacles.
H.
blackford76
08-21-2010, 11:29
I had to look up what a 992G and 777D are... if this is a 992G,
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Caterpillar-992G.jpg
I think you could rig up a siphon tube to the bucket, so that if you lift the car up you could drain the gasoline into the bucket, and from there through filters into a catch of some kind. However, that Cat must be diesel. The side tanks on big rigs are easy to see, easy to puncture, but I don't think even this thing can lift a big rig w/ trailer... not because of weight, just the length of a 18wheeler. Then again, all you'd have to do is push it out of the way.
Anyway, unless you keep this at home, you'd still have to get from your domicile to where this is. My plan is just to be able to drive through the ditches along the side of roads. 4" lift on 33" should get me through or around most obstacles.
H.
There are different buckets available for these, the one I operated had a "shovel nose rock bucket" with 8 teeth, it couldn't be used to load a semi because the bucket is the same width as a semi trailer. It can easily scoop up a semi. The tires are a little over 11' tall.
Serious overkill.
BPTactical
08-21-2010, 11:42
ive got your 6 o'clock buddy you can count on me
This has a certain unsettling sound about it..........[Flower]
Scanker19
08-21-2010, 14:47
I'm not leaving. I have full faith that the police and the federal government will take care of me in any situation......................................... .................................................. .................................................. ..............................meanwhile........... .......Here in reality though i'll stay until the water runs out then you may have to go find some. I think I will avoid the cities as much as possible, I'd like to keep my ammo to hunt.
denvernative321
08-21-2010, 14:53
I am always ready to bug out. I have plenty of supplies to hold down the fort but if something happens i am ready to leave at a moments notice. Always be prepared to leave you never know what is going to happen and you dont want to be the moron left behind for dead just because you did not have you things in order.
Beprepared
08-21-2010, 19:57
Bug In or Bug out? Depends on the situation. Somewhat ready for either. Always need more, food, better water, medical supplies, weapons ammo, fuel supply and knowledge. A bug out situation would have to be something local. Fire being number one. Fallout, epidemic, and/or social unrest not far behind. In a bug out, good luck getting farther than the fuel you have. Yes you can obtain fuel on the road, at potential cost, risk, and hazard, a gamble.
Bugging in, I need more food. I live ten miles out of my town in an isolated neighborhood, two miles off the highway (local don't even know we are here). Get the two guys in the hood with loaders to block the road (heavy movable barricades). I still want to get some old surplus "M.A.S.H." wired wind up phones and hook up a couple houses (your wireless radio won't be secure). Community well system with backup generator. Need to obtain/fabricate manual well buckets. Two ponds close by and running water 1.5 miles away. Cistern is on the list as well. A few places to start a community garden. Still need to acquire seed, tools, and deer fencing. The neighborhood has a good diverse demographic and skill set. A doctor, pharmacist, couple of nurses (my wife one), electrician, construction, military, etc. liabilities and hopefully not the other.
http://www.radmeters4u.com/list.htm
claimbuster
08-21-2010, 20:59
Not too worried here.
Have a month's food & water, generator with fuel, propane, batteries, extra meds, etc, etc. But, more importantly, I have over 3000 rds. of 223's loaded for the AR's and 2500 rds of handgun ammo.
I know I am a crazy old man, but I am not as worried about a foreign invasion or a collapse of our society as I am a new civil war. A war between the "haves" and the "have nots". Those that work for a living and those that have always lived on welfare. Those that are in this country legally and those that are not. Those that respect our founding fathers system of government and those that don't
Mrs CB and I lived in southern CA when the Rodney King riots broke out in 1992. For most of us, the world went from peaceful to riot stage in less than 24 hours.
We were 30 miles from ground zero, but we were ready had the situation escalated.
That event had a real impact on me. Since then, I frequently ask myself, "Are you ready should it happen again?"
My question to you, are you ready?
I voted no.
The only reason I'd bug out is to escape radiation.
Can't see a practical reason for most of them.
Nuclear war; Going with the old standards, I assume that the Fed center is still on the "list" for destruction. And 11 minutes is still the standard for launch to detonation. I live about 20-25 minutes away from there, less as the crow (Or blast) flies.
Riots or civil war,or enemy invasion; I have most everything I need here. Plus, the one good thing about the townhouse, there are only 2 points that need defending, and both actually have decent fields of fire. Enemy invasion, If all looks lost and no hope, I'm taking as many of them as I can with me. Other than that, Resistance.
Natural disasters; Blizzards, Except for the 34 months I was out of town saving the world from communism, I have lived here all my life. I have yet to see the blizzard that shuts the the town down for more than 36 hours.
Tornados, crawl space untill it's over then see what goes after.
Floods, I'll put it this way, I have never stressed over not having flood insurance. If this here hilltop that I am on starts to flood, We should have had the ark done built.
Guess that just leaves zombies, martians and locusts. Now, if I get zombie martian locusts, I may have a WTH moment, individually though, I should be fine.
There is my take on it.
I want to be in a private army.
SA Friday
08-22-2010, 20:19
Pretty sure I can hold off the local SWAT team till they decide it's safer to just burn down the house, so I vote for staying till supplies are to the end regardless of the various temporary societal problems. Long term FUBAR, I'm moving out to the family farm.
I'm getting one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aapY_yMnQ&feature=player_embedded
I'm getting one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aapY_yMnQ&feature=player_embedded
f'n hippies.. looks like Boulder in the background.
It goes 30 mph uphill, and 60 mph on flat surfaces with four people powering it. I guess it is coming out within a year and will be street legal. haha.
Batteriesnare
08-22-2010, 21:31
I'm getting one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aapY_yMnQ&feature=player_embedded
Yeah, till that thing gets hit with a Mack truck and you learn what a dumbass you were to even be near that!
Great. It takes long enough to get through Boulder now. Cant wait to see the drive time in another year.
blackford76
08-22-2010, 21:36
Yeah, till that thing gets hit with a Mack truck and you learn what a dumbass you were to even be near that!
I don't think it would take a MACK. Some kid on a skateboard could total that thing. [Luck]
They are going to put airbags, a larger windshield, and looking at a "weather shell" in later models. Totally safe guys. ;)
Also, we're talking bug out gear fellas. Not many Mack trucks around after the first few months.
Ok Stuart. I'm in. I'll go in with you on the purchase, but your driving the damn thing and I'm shootin......[Beer]
Zundfolge
08-22-2010, 22:24
I voted "I see no need".
I'm pretty sure I can ride out any localized, short term SHTF ... and frankly I have no intention of surviving a major TEOTWAWKI ... I have no interest in living in some sort of post apocalyptic wasteland or returning to the 1800s or any such nonsense.
blackford76
08-22-2010, 22:43
Not many Mack trucks around after the first few months.
Why not? Diesel is the most common fuel, and the easiest to improvise. They pretty much run forever.
You missed an option or two on the poll.
No. I have not had the time or the money to prepare.
No. I have been to lazy to prepare.
No. I really have no reason to believe bad things will happen.
No. I really just don't know what to do.
And I'm sure there are others. I suspect most have not prepared because of apathy or what they perceive as an inability to prepare. Either because of a lack of time and or money and or both.
As the economy continues its death spiral, there is less money to spend, and that little amount is seldom spent on preparedness.
Failure to prepare, is preparing to fail.
Why not? Diesel is the most common fuel, and the easiest to improvise. They pretty much run forever.
Haven't you ever seen Madmax? No trucks in that movie. ;)
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