View Full Version : Is it too soon? Maes needs to get out!
I supported Maes and he was the better choice over McGinnis and still is.
Maes seems to have to many finanical issues and the past week Peter Boyles has had some interesting conversations with him.
If you have been following along with this you know, if not you can find it on http://www.khow.com/pages/boyles.html
Is it to early to suggest he step down over these issues, I dont see him being able to win.
OneGuy67
08-25-2010, 10:13
I agree with you. I've been hung up on the ol' "I'm a successful businessman" thing, but the tax returns don't support that.
I admit, I'm not the most informed when it comes to small businesses and how one can delay a paycheck, but draw funds from the business to survive. I've been hung up on the fact he only drew a $19,000 a year payroll one year, but had a house payment of $3,300 a month. How did that get paid? Did he claim his house as a business expense? I don't understand.
What I'm hoping for is that both Maes and Tancredo step down and let the party pick a new candidate. Tancredo says he will happily back down if Maes does. I don't think either will happen, but we need a new candidate. Maes is a phony and far too questionable for my taste, but of course I'll hold my nose and vote for him if it comes down to it.
steveopia
08-25-2010, 11:23
What I'm hoping for is that both Maes and Tancredo step down and let the party pick a new candidate. Tancredo says he will happily back down if Maes does. I don't think either will happen, but we need a new candidate. Maes is a phony and far too questionable for my taste, but of course I'll hold my nose and vote for him if it comes down to it.
Let's, for giggles, say they both did step down. Who would step up in their place?
I have no clue who can step up, the Colorado R party sure has screwed up big this year.
I will vote for Tom and I wont have to hold my nose. To bad he wont win.
Yup, Maes needs to step down. He is no good but he was better than McGinnis.
I think Maes is playing financial games with his campaign funds.
OgenRwot
08-25-2010, 21:25
Here's my thought. At this point Hick MUST win if the GOP/Conservatives want to save face. We either get Maes in there and he embarrasses the hell out of us because he really isn't that bright or Tancredo wins and everybody thinks we're all a bunch of racists and extremists. If Hick wins, the economy still sucks, and in four years we get a REAL GOP candidate up for governor. Hick isn't going to be crazy liberal and if we have a conservative house and even the possibility of a conservative senate the worst thing that happens is...nothing. No good laws get passed, but more importantly no bad laws get passed. They sit around and fight and accomplish nothing, which isn't so bad if you ask me.
In other news, Maes is only down 8 points even with Tancredo in the race according to this poll: http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=9897
68Charger
08-26-2010, 08:44
the Colorado R party sure has screwed up big this year.
I will vote for Tom and I wont have to hold my nose. To bad he wont win.
It's not too soon, he should have stepped down (or been pulled by the Colorado Repub party) when he was caught with the huge mileage reimbursements...
Unless someone steps down, It's either vote for Tom & everyone will blame you for "just the same as a vote for Hick", or hold your nose & vote for Maes- I've already said in other threads he's a big gamble- his resume is very light for a Gov. My manager is significantly more qualified for the office than Maes...
Those responsible for putting Dumb & Dumber in the Gov. Primary need to be fired from the Colorado Republican party Committee...
OgenRwot, I think you pretty much sum up Tancredo's reasons for joining the race- he'd rather a Democrat win, than a corrupt GOP candidate- there is something to be said for that... every corrupt Republican in office hurts the party.
OgenRwot
08-26-2010, 08:52
I can honestly say that looking at the long run Hick would be a much better governor for the state right now. That's to say that if he's in office Maes can't royally eff up. As it stands, I'm either not voting or voting for Tancredo if he's still in. If Tom is out I may just vote for Hick.
OneGuy67
08-26-2010, 08:57
I've thought about this for a little while now and originally I was going to hold my nose and pull the 'R' lever, but now...I'll vote my conscience and go with Tandredo.
I know this will mean that Hick will win, but I'm in agreement that at least the R's will pick up seats in the House and Senate and the damage will be minimal.
I can only hope that the Repub's will embrace and endorse a worthy candidate, a good candidate and not one who is just a party loyal and it is "their time, their turn" type of candidate like McInnis.[Bang][Rant2]
ronaldrwl
08-26-2010, 09:54
I can honestly say that looking at the long run Hick would be a much better governor for the state right now. That's to say that if he's in office Maes can't royally eff up. As it stands, I'm either not voting or voting for Tancredo if he's still in. If Tom is out I may just vote for Hick.
That's a BIG -1
Under no circumstances would Hick be better. You have lost your mind!
ghettodub
08-26-2010, 10:12
I'm sure I'll get flamed for it, but meh, don't really care. I think both Maes and Tancredo are douchebags. And I like Hickenlooper. I think he's done a good job in Denver, and I know quite a few conservatives that like him.
The problem, which he hasn't had to deal with as a mayor, is that at a governor level, party trumps person, so he will have to align more with the democrats. And I hate almost everyone in political power currently for the most part (including all dems and republicans, I don't like one party more than the other)...
I won't ever vote blindly on the side of one party "just because..."
Just my .02. Don't really care to discuss further, just wanted to put in my view. Cheers
OgenRwot
08-26-2010, 18:16
That's a BIG -1
Under no circumstances would Hick be better. You have lost your mind!
Take a look at Carter for example. The guy sucked as President and because of him we had 12 years of Republicans. Ronald Reagan was because of Jimmy Carter. Barack Obama is because of George W Bush. My point is this, you get a whack job in there like Tancredo or a retard like Maes it's going to hurt conservatives at all levels of politics for years to come. So no, I haven't lost my mind. Having ONE Democrat that isn't bat shit crazy leftist in office for four years with at least a GOP controlled house, if not senate, is better than making all Republicans look nuts for the foreseeable future. You gotta look beyond just the next few years.
brianakell
08-27-2010, 21:58
Maes did not overpay his reimbursements, he didnt do them in a timely manner since his financial person slacked off and quit. So his daughter took over, and it took her a bit to get the hang of things, hence the delay, and seeming over payed on reimbursements. He paid the fine, to be able to have the campaign move on, not hung up in court playing games (what McInnis was hoping for). How does he make 19k and make a house payment? Easy, its called pulling from personal savings. I've owned my own business for 11 years. Ive had 4 months go by, literally loosing money each month from buying more inventory than selling. I do it to stock up for the busier time. So I waive a paycheck, so I can actually sell product when the demand is there, I can keep up! One of the downsides of owning the business. Yet I still pay my bills, mortgage etc. Tom is an overly sensitive, one issue guy. He's still whining about McInnis being picked over him by the GOP, so he convinces another party to take him, and toss their canidate. He's so busy pissing where he sleeps, ie trashing on the conservatives, all he's doing is making it easier for Hickenlooper to win. But Tom in his arrogance actually thinks his 5 year old behavior will help him win! Maes winning the primaries just shows how stupid the GOP has gotten over the years. They've long since forgotten what they are supposed to be doing, governing, they're just sitting back playing politics. EVERYONE is sick of this game, dems and GOP. Why do you think independants/outsiders are winning all over the country? The GOP establishment should take the results, not just Maes, as a wake up call. Quit playing games, and start doing what's right. They've had power for so long, they forgot what to do with it! How do you think Obama is able to do what he is doing so fast, and so drastically? Because the GOP has been goofing off for so long, this is business as usual, just heading in the other direction, and rapidly since the Dems control prez, house, and congress! Get the establishment, out-for-themselves, backdoor dealing politicians OUT, and get in some real people, and get some term limits on EVERY position, so we dont have career politicians!
OneGuy67
08-28-2010, 10:11
How does he make 19k and make a house payment? Easy, its called pulling from personal savings. I've owned my own business for 11 years. Ive had 4 months go by, literally loosing money each month from buying more inventory than selling. I do it to stock up for the busier time. So I waive a paycheck, so I can actually sell product when the demand is there, I can keep up! One of the downsides of owning the business. Yet I still pay my bills, mortgage etc.
Quite the rant Brian. I cut it down to my issue with Maes. You say his savings is what he was using to pay his bills during those lean times, when his company wasn't making money. Any proof of that? His history shows he didn't come from money and his biography doesn't indicate any really high paying jobs where he could sock away a couple hundred thousand in savings. Taking from a 401(k) would be extrememly poor money management, if he had that.
From his website:
"Career
Dan was able to quickly develop relationships and trust by keeping his word and delivering on his commitments. His natural leadership always led him to management roles and ultimately he earned part of a business through sweat equity. He has never looked back. Dan and his partners sold a telecommunications franchise in 1997. He then started and sold a credit reporting agency between 2005 and 2009 with the goal of public service upon its completion."
Pretty flippin' thin on the details. You'd think he'd want to shout from the rooftops his experience and why he is the best candidate in regards to finances, money management, etc. Instead, he says he is a successful small business owner. Really?
So, a quick sum of the funds. Mortgage, $39,600/yr. His house is twice the size of mine, so electric/gas $4,000 a year. Eat conservatively? $4,000 a year, but probably closer to $6,000. Gas/insurance on his vehicles? Say $3,000 a year. Kids? One daughter just graduated from college (school bills?), one daughter is 15 (teenaged daughter are expensive!) and a boy age 7. Kids are expensive, with school costs, extracurricular activities, clothes, tuition, etc. Don't forget business expenses to woo clients. I'm not even touching vacations, and a ton of other, everyday, normal expenses we all have to dish out for daily living.
What I'm saying is, I don't buy his $19,000 year and withdrawal from savings as his means of support. He refuses to release the actual tax returns citing personal privacy for his wife. What is there to hide?
Additionally, he has shown a huge ignorance to how government operates and makes blanket statements that he couldn't do as governor. He doesn't seem to grasp what powers the governor has and doesn't have. His points of action he states are juvenile at best.
1. Increase efficiencies in the area of FTE (Full Time Employee) counts thus reducing the size of state government freeing up funds for other priorities. Governor can't fire anyone, except his own staff. Could eliminate director positions, but that would be asinine.
2. Identify areas for program consolidation or elimination including positions that duplicate the purpose of an executives responsibility.
3. Reverse the executive orders that created the state employees union, and funding for Planned Parenthood. The state employees union has no power as there isn't any ability to negotiate with the state. It is a consolodated voice for a bunch of people, not unlike the FOP for the state troopers. Get rid of it; big deal. Cancel funding for a program that puts some birth control into the hands of girls who are going to have sex with or without it. Smart.
4. Restructure the content of the COGCC and work toward a more energy friendly regulatory environment in order to drive energy severance tax revenue to its highest in the state’s history while encouraging new energy models. Wow! What a bunch of crap!
5. Give tax incentives to all small businesses that hire at least 1 new employee in 2011. Nice, feel good stuff.
6. Support choice in education including home, charter, public and private options. Work for a tax credit for those who choose home or private schools. Take money away from the already hurting school districts...
7. I will defend the Tax Payers Bill of Rights (TABOR) and work aggressively to reverse any legislation implemented by
Ritter Administration that violates TABOR. (i.e. Faster Legislation, property tax mill levy freeze, dirty dozen tax exemptions) Governor can't do anything on these except sign legislation brought to him by the Senate and House. He'll have to find someone to carry the bill in both houses.
8. Reduce the personal income tax to a level of 4.5% by 2012 Again, not a power the governor has.
9. 5% unemployment rate by the end of 2013. Wishful thinking and hoping.
10. Initiate a new era of stricter enforcement of existing legislation and state laws including those covering vehicle registration, drivers licenses, DUI, and illegal immigration. Any meat to this? What are his plans?
11. Limit new legislation to 3 bills per member of the assembly. Once again, not a power the governor has.
12. Facilitate mutually beneficial resolution between our states strong military economy and private property owners in Pinon Canyon Area.
Brian, the only thing I agree with you on is that the GOP sat on its laurels and didn't capitalize when public opinion turned on the Democrats. They could have found young, new, energetic people to run for elected offices, and instead, gave us re-treads because they had been faithful to the party and "it was their time".
Has anyone ever considered that his wife has a great paying job?
OneGuy67
08-28-2010, 15:13
Has anyone ever considered that his wife has a great paying job?
She's a stay-at-home mom. No job.
Sounds like a brothel to me.
OgenRwot
08-29-2010, 07:52
The guy got busted and fined for fuzzy numbers on "travel". He was saying he was traveling on the campaign to pay his bills. Also, remember the mayor that loaned him a few hundred bucks for his mortgage that showed up on his donor list?
OneGuy67
08-29-2010, 08:40
The guy got busted and fined for fuzzy numbers on "travel". He was saying he was traveling on the campaign to pay his bills. Also, remember the mayor that loaned him a few hundred bucks for his mortgage that showed up on his donor list?
The issue with that was, Poundstone DIDN'T show up on the list. She told Peter Boyles that and Maes then did a dance. The amount exceeded the legal allowable amount someone could contribute and being given money under the table is unethical.
trlcavscout
08-30-2010, 12:18
I've thought about this for a little while now and originally I was going to hold my nose and pull the 'R' lever, but now...I'll vote my conscience and go with Tandredo.
I know this will mean that Hick will win, but I'm in agreement that at least the R's will pick up seats in the House and Senate and the damage will be minimal.
I can only hope that the Repub's will embrace and endorse a worthy candidate, a good candidate and not one who is just a party loyal and it is "their time, their turn" type of candidate like McInnis.[Bang][Rant2]
We havent had a "worthy" candidate in years! These sorry sons a bitches should all be on the cheese line. It is a hell of a mess we have here, I would vote R before I would vote for hicky but I am having a hard time voteing for anybody. Two and out should apply to all elected positions and I would vote for the guy running the taco stand down town before I would vote for most of these stupid pricks! I think instead of voteing for either of these dumb ass's I should just move out of state, no matter who wins CO is'nt looking good.
Zundfolge
08-30-2010, 14:01
I've thought about this for a little while now and originally I was going to hold my nose and pull the 'R' lever, but now...I'll vote my conscience and go with Tandredo.
How on God's green earth is voting for Tancredo a "good conscience" vote?
The man demanded that our tax dollars be given to him to make up for his losses in the Madoff scam (sound pretty typical democrat to me) and he got into the race gov's guaranteeing Hickenlooper will win.
He doesn't give a damn about the people of Colorado, he only cares about his own goddamn ego (and I'm still not convinced the rich liberals that turned Colorado blue (http://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-Democrats-Colorado-Republicans-Everywhere/dp/1936218003) didn't pay him to enter the race).
Tancredo is a snake ... Maes may not be perfect, but he's a damn sight better than Hickenlooper (hell, my dog would be better than Hickenlooper...hell the stuff my dog leaves in the back yard would be better than Hickenlooper).
Oh well, conservatives, libertarians, the tea party folk and the GOP are going to get in a stupid pissing contest and keep Colorado under Demonrat control so welcome to East Fucking California folk.
Utah is looking better and better every day.
OneGuy67
08-30-2010, 14:18
How on God's green earth is voting for Tancredo a "good conscience" vote?
I didn't say "good conscience"; I said I'd vote my conscience.
We'll have to disagree on Maes and if interested, you can see my earlier posts on my reasons why. Maes is a outright liar, doesn't understand the state government at all, hides contributions, fails to comply with state election rules on a regular basis and paid a number of different fines on different occasions, has a thin resume and exaggerates it.
Tancredo isn't the best person for the republican ticket, I agree. However, I can't vote for Maes and I can't vote for Hickenlooper. So if I wish to exercise my voting right, it will be for Tancredo.
Zundfolge
08-30-2010, 14:31
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
My thinking is that no matter how bad Maes is, Hickenlooper is worse.
I know you don't expect Tancredo to win, but I think he's significantly less honest than Maes.
The more important thing is for the Dems to lose the house and the senate ... but with Hickenlooper in the veto seat that will mean that we won't be able to roll back much of what the Dems have done.
OneGuy67
08-30-2010, 15:04
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
My thinking is that no matter how bad Maes is, Hickenlooper is worse.
I know you don't expect Tancredo to win, but I think he's significantly less honest than Maes.
The more important thing is for the Dems to lose the house and the senate ... but with Hickenlooper in the veto seat that will mean that we won't be able to roll back much of what the Dems have done.
We can agree to disagree I don't expect Tancredo to win, but I can't vote for a person like Maes. I just can't. We can disagree on who is worse.
I agree that it is important for the republicans pick up seats in the House and Senate and while there may not be enough this time around to be able to get legislation through and override a veto, 2012 may bring more.
It seems to me that the discussion has shifted to "if Hick gets elected no matter what, then I'll throw my vote to Tancredo". That, of course, is fine, but in the end you are only doing exactly what the left wants you to do, give up all hope that your guy gets elected and then vote your "conscience" instead of the party line. I'm not saying you are wrong for it, but that is playing into the left's plan.
Do you know how many people just didn't vote at all because they thought McCain had no chance in hell? A lot.
OneGuy67
08-30-2010, 18:07
Maybe so, Ranger. I don't believe Tancredo is a leftist conspiracy. I do not believe that voting for whatever train wreck the republicans endorse no matter what is the best thing for our state. I don't vote party line.
I'll tell you a story on that subject. I was in Iraq the last election and my buddy and I received our mail in ballots the same day. We went back to our hooches and I got online, read the blue book, researched the candidates, issues and ballot propositions and after 3 hours had completed my ballot. I ran into my buddy and asked him if he finished his ballot and he told me he did over 2 hours ago. I asked him how he finished so quickly and did he even review the issues and he flatly told me he went to the republican website and filled it out based upon what the republican party recommended.
Maybe so, Ranger. I don't believe Tancredo is a leftist conspiracy. I do not believe that voting for whatever train wreck the republicans endorse no matter what is the best thing for our state. I don't vote party line.
I don't necessarily believe that Tancredo is a lib plant - while I think it's possible, it's not really plausible. I'm not quite THAT tin-hat but leave a little bit of foil over just in case :).
I've made the party argument enough already in regards to this race, so we'll agree to disagree on that. If about 2 million others felt the same about Tancredo then we wouldn't have to worry about Hick, but I think Tancredo AND Maes need to step out of the race and give us a shot of turning this blue state red again.
OneGuy67
08-30-2010, 21:14
... I think Tancredo AND Maes need to step out of the race and give us a shot of turning this blue state red again.
On that point my gun totin' friend, we can agree![Alrigh]
On that point my gun totin' friend, we can agree![Alrigh]
Tom said he would step out if Maes steps out but it may be too late now.
Poundstone / Boyles have Maes by the short curlies. Maes is a con and he conned me. I'm still happy the establishment candidate (McInnis) is out but I am pissed at Maes.
I don't know if the ballots are printed yet, they have to get printed so our soldiers can get them and return in time for the election.
We're running out of time and the Republicans are running out of time to replace Maes.
Hickenlooper is a POS, he is a crap mayor and he'll be a horrible governor.
OneGuy67
08-31-2010, 08:44
Yes, we have been handed a crap pile for the governor's race. There is no good ending for it.
Maes sucks.
Tancredo is a one trick pony.
Hickenlooper is a shockingly lib liberal.
What do you do?
I heard Sen. Schultheis on Peter Boyles this morning talking about Maes and he kept getting hung up on the fact they shared values. It didn't matter that Maes is corrupt, a liar, and has zero grasp on how state government works as Boyles pointed out a number of issues; all that mattered to Schultheis is that they had common core values that he could support.
Is that how you feel? It doesn't matter how empty of ethics and morals a candidate is as long as he shares your values, you'll vote for him?
I don't want Hickenlooper as the next governor, but I can say, he hasn't fallen down on his ethics or morals. We definitely do not agree on values, on issues and especially how he donates his money, but he does appear to be the person who stands on higher ethical ground.
Once again, my $.02
ghettodub
08-31-2010, 09:11
I don't necessarily believe that Tancredo is a lib plant - while I think it's possible, it's not really plausible. I'm not quite THAT tin-hat but leave a little bit of foil over just in case :)
Tancredo is just trying to jump on the tea party bandwagon IMO.
And an honest question here for the people that said it: why is Hickenlooper a POS and a shitty mayor, and why would he be a terrible governor? Is it just that he would align himself more with the democratic party as a governor, because at that level, party does begin to trump person, or are there other reasons? Just because he's a democrat? You don't like a particular policy of his? etc...
I've always thought that he has done a pretty decent job in Denver, so I'm honestly curious, and not trying to start anything.
OneGuy67
08-31-2010, 09:29
And an honest question here for the people that said it: why is Hickenlooper a POS and a shitty mayor, and why would he be a terrible governor? Is it just that he would align himself more with the democratic party as a governor, because at that level, party does begin to trump person, or are there other reasons?
This is my own personal opinion, supported only by information obtained from various sources.
I think Hickenlooper is a very liberal democrat, who will attempt to advance the democratic agenda. I do not like what he has done in Denver in regards to pumping tons of money into social programs that didn't work (his homeless agenda is an example), into social programs that I do not share his idealogue on such as needle exchanges. I do not like how he outright lied about his conversations with the police union and then went to the press and complained that the budget woes were the unions fault and not his. I do not like his soft stance of immigration issues and used his office to apply pressure to the police department and soften their impact on the illegal aliens they came across during their normal, everyday course of business.
In regards to the racial beatings last year, I do not know for certain if he was informed by the police department of the ongoing issues. If he had updated knowledge of the investigation(s) and chose to remain quiet, then he has some personal responsibility in the events. In the agencies I've worked in, we investigators would only brief our superiors and if that information moved upwards to command staff and then across to civilian authorities, I didn't know.
I am leery of Hickenlooper bringing those liberal agendas to the governor's office.
ghettodub
08-31-2010, 09:34
This is my own personal opinion, supported only by information obtained from various sources.
I think Hickenlooper is a very liberal democrat, who will attempt to advance the democratic agenda. I do not like what he has done in Denver in regards to pumping tons of money into social programs that didn't work (his homeless agenda is an example), into social programs that I do not share his idealogue on such as needle exchanges. I do not like how he outright lied about his conversations with the police union and then went to the press and complained that the budget woes were the unions fault and not his. I do not like his soft stance of immigration issues and used his office to apply pressure to the police department and soften their impact on the illegal aliens they came across during their normal, everyday course of business.
In regards to the racial beatings last year, I do not know for certain if he was informed by the police department of the ongoing issues. If he had updated knowledge of the investigation(s) and chose to remain quiet, then he has some personal responsibility in the events. In the agencies I've worked in, we investigators would only brief our superiors and if that information moved upwards to command staff and then across to civilian authorities, I didn't know.
I am leery of Hickenlooper bringing those liberal agendas to the governor's office.
Right on, I just wanted to hear some reasoning on why. I run across so many people who just blindly vote or choose "just because" and don't have any real reason on why. [Beer]
steveopia
08-31-2010, 16:13
Tancredo is just trying to jump on the tea party bandwagon IMO.
And an honest question here for the people that said it: why is Hickenlooper a POS and a shitty mayor, and why would he be a terrible governor? Is it just that he would align himself more with the democratic party as a governor, because at that level, party does begin to trump person, or are there other reasons? Just because he's a democrat? You don't like a particular policy of his? etc...
I've always thought that he has done a pretty decent job in Denver, so I'm honestly curious, and not trying to start anything.
First and foremost, your avatar rocks! One of the best I've seen.
I don't have much to say about Hickenlooper other than I don't appreciate his efforts to make Denver a "safe haven" for illegals.
Who was the jerk responsible for flying planes around San Diego with a large sign that said "Denver Loves California!"
This is my own personal opinion, supported only by information obtained from various sources.
I think Hickenlooper is a very liberal democrat, who will attempt to advance the democratic agenda. I do not like what he has done in Denver in regards to pumping tons of money into social programs that didn't work (his homeless agenda is an example), into social programs that I do not share his idealogue on such as needle exchanges. I do not like how he outright lied about his conversations with the police union and then went to the press and complained that the budget woes were the unions fault and not his. I do not like his soft stance of immigration issues and used his office to apply pressure to the police department and soften their impact on the illegal aliens they came across during their normal, everyday course of business.
In regards to the racial beatings last year, I do not know for certain if he was informed by the police department of the ongoing issues. If he had updated knowledge of the investigation(s) and chose to remain quiet, then he has some personal responsibility in the events. In the agencies I've worked in, we investigators would only brief our superiors and if that information moved upwards to command staff and then across to civilian authorities, I didn't know.
I am leery of Hickenlooper bringing those liberal agendas to the governor's office.
Excellent response - what I think and I'll add little.
Hickenlooper refuses to acknowledge any responsibility in the death of Officer Donnie Young.
Hickenlooper refuses to disclose that his Chinook Fund provided funds either to Hamas directly or to Hamas indirectly.
Hickenlooper does not care if the CITIZENS of Denver are kept appraised and from harm due to actions of illegal aliens and gang members.
Hickenlooper will not appears on talk shows to be asked hard questions - this shows me that Hickenlooper has no backbone and that he knows that if he gives honest answers his bid for governor is over.
Excellent response - what I think and I'll add little.
Hickenlooper refuses to acknowledge any responsibility in the death of Officer Donnie Young.
Hickenlooper refuses to disclose that his Chinook Fund provided funds either to Hamas directly or to Hamas indirectly.
Hickenlooper does not care if the CITIZENS of Denver are kept appraised and from harm due to actions of illegal aliens and gang members.
Hickenlooper will not appears on talk shows to be asked hard questions - this shows me that Hickenlooper has no backbone and that he knows that if he gives honest answers his bid for governor is over.
You beat me to it, right on the mark.
ghettodub
08-31-2010, 21:22
Awesome replies. Glad to see that you guys are informed on your decisions, because we unfortunately live in a time where many people are not informed.
Awesome replies. Glad to see that you guys are informed on your decisions, because we unfortunately live in a time where many people are not informed.
Nolimitsoldier, you should read the book "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
ghettodub
08-31-2010, 21:52
Nolimitsoldier, you should read the book "Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
Books eh? those the movies on paper things? And why should I read it?
It will make you furious. It is basically a fiction book that goes through the last 100 years or so of some of our shittiest laws. Really nothing to do with this thread. People talk about it in on of the "books" threads I started.
ghettodub
08-31-2010, 22:03
Ok cool, I'm down for that. Gotta finish my uncle's latest book first and then I"ll look for that
Awesome replies. Glad to see that you guys are informed on your decisions, because we unfortunately live in a time where many people are not informed.
Some people are. I still maintain that most people vote for the person who appeals to them on a physical or emotional level. Then you have the people who would vote for Charles Manson because he has a D or an R behind his name.
Maes appears to be on the run. Like the looper Maes can't handle the pressure of hard questions. Crash and burn Dan Maes you con.
OneGuy67
09-01-2010, 11:01
In the Denver Post today, there was a story about Dan Maes "exaggerating" his work as a Kansas police officer. Apparently, he blogged he worked "undercover" for the Kansas Bureau of Investigation working on a gambling and drug probe. After KBI officials came out and denied involvement with Maes, he has backed away from his blogging claims.
A statement he wrote on his campaign website that was later removed said: "At one point in my 2 years there I was place (sic) undercover by the Kansas Bureau of Investigations (sic) to gather information inside a bookmaking ring that was also allegedly selling drugs. I got too close to some significant people in the community who were involved in these activities and abruptly was dismissed from my position. Some people are probably taking that a little too literally," he said. "I was a city police officer providing information to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation."
Maes said that he could not offer records to back that up. "This was 25 years ago," he said, adding: "It's just not worth covering that much. It's a nonissue."
"Those comments might have been incorrect comments," Maes said.
Who wrote them (the comments) on the website? Maes did.
Maes is not a valid candidate, no matter what the Tea Party people believe.
Read more: GOP gubernatorial candidate Maes backs off claims of undercover police work - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15957483#ixzz0yIVxD7aE) http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15957483#ixzz0yIVxD7aE
ghettodub
09-01-2010, 12:38
In the Denver Post today, there was a story about Dan Maes "exaggerating" his work as a Kansas police officer. Apparently, he blogged he worked "undercover" for the Kansas Bureau of Investigation
Kinda like Steven Seagal? haha
Another backer withdraws endorsement.......this one is pretty big though, Hank Brown.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2010/09/01/former-sen-brown-withdraws-maes-endorsement-in-gop-guvs-race/14200/
BPTactical
09-01-2010, 19:53
Another backer withdraws endorsement.......this one is pretty big though, Hank Brown.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2010/09/01/former-sen-brown-withdraws-maes-endorsement-in-gop-guvs-race/14200/
I heard this on the radio today.
Theres a kick in the 'nads to Maes.
Not like he is kicking his own[Tooth]
I heard this on the radio today.
Theres a kick in the 'nads to Maes.
Not like he is kicking his own[Tooth]
No doubt, the looper don't gotta to nuttin ta Maes. Maes be kickin' his own ass![Stooge]
From what I am hearing the GOP is within a week or two of being stuck with Maes though because Ballots are due to be printed soon.
steveopia
09-02-2010, 04:55
From what I am hearing the GOP is within a week or two of being stuck with Maes though because Ballots are due to be printed soon.
Don't quote me but I believe I heard the 3rd, tomorrow, was the cut off date to drop before their name got printed on the ballot. I think I heard that on the Peter Boyles show.
Don't quote me but I believe I heard the 3rd, tomorrow, was the cut off date to drop before their name got printed on the ballot. I think I heard that on the Peter Boyles show.
You heard correctly from Patricia Calhoun on Boyles show.
The GOP better get busy. Maes was turned down by the National GOP Governors Assoc (I might have the name wrong) for campaign funds. Maes is broke and people are jumping ship.
I have also heard (I believe on KOA Mike Rosen) that Wadhams has asked Maes to pull out and Maes told him no that he was in for the duration. this would be a surprise to me but if it proves true I would owe Wadhams an apology of sorts but maybe I would just tell him its about time he pulled his head out, unfortunately I think the damage is done.
ghettodub
09-03-2010, 09:03
Wadhams has asked Maes to pull out....
That poor guy and his name, Dick Wadhams... bwahahaha
Zundfolge
09-03-2010, 13:45
When Dick asks you to pull out ... you should probably pull out :p
Look I think Maes is getting the dirty end of the stick here but even I think he should give it up ... of course if he does and Tancredo doesn't than I'll curse Tom's name to my dying day (which will probably take place in a state other than Colorado because of his ego tripping).
He has until 5pm today to pull out or its too late.
steveopia
09-03-2010, 15:26
1.5 hours left for Maes to pull out . . .
OneGuy67
09-03-2010, 15:44
Maes says he's in it to lose it.
68Charger
09-03-2010, 17:00
Maes says he's in it to lose it.
so HE's the one giving the election to Hickenlooper, hmm...
I'll leave to y'all to figure out if I'm being sarcastic...
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