Is this true about revoking CCW to vets?

[GoldFinger]

I got this email from a friend of mine this morning and thought maybe this was just a "marketing" email, but would be disturbed if it was true. My gut tells me that this is somewhat anecdotal, while I'm sure there are issues that could lead to revoking a CCW, it would not be as easy as answering YES to a single question. Anyone seen / heard this before?

Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...Thanks
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> > From a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer:
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> I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions:
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> 1. Did I feel stressed?
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> 2. Did I feel threatened?
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> 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?
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> The nurse then informed me, that if I had answered yes to any of the questions, I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security. Looks like they are going after the vets first.
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> Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware.
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> The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner veteran or not, you've been warned.
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> If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom

[ghettodub]

i'm not buying it, sounds like a tin-foil hat chain email IMO. Ever since Obama has gone in to office, everyone is screaming about us losing our gun rights, even though none of them have changed yet. Who knows, maybe in some states, that may be a requirement for a CCW, and that's a state right I guess to set their standards. Just like ours says you can't be an alcoholic, or habitually use alcohol. Just my .02

[GoldFinger]

i'm not buying it, sounds like a tin-foil hat chain email IMO

Agreed. I'd just like to make sure before I send an email back correcting him. I like to set these kind of things straight, but want to make sure I'm not wrong in doing so.

Thanks.

[OneGuy67]

i'm not buying it, sounds like a tin-foil hat chain email IMO. Ever since Obama has gone in to office, everyone is screaming about us losing our gun rights, even though none of them have changed yet. Who knows, maybe in some states, that may be a requirement for a CCW, and that's a state right I guess to set their standards. Just like ours says you can't be an alcoholic, or habitually use alcohol. Just my .02


I agree with ghettodub. I was going to expound on it, but I'll leave it at that.

[275RLTW]

I've seen this before "Captain America" took over, it's been around awhile. While I agree that medical records have no business mixing with firearm ownership, I don't put it past VA to connect these two. While I encourage any service member to answer the questions truthfully and seek treatment for any mental health issue, I would be careful when answering ANY mental health questionaire. While these things might be separate today, who knows what jackassery will happen in the future. With the amount of service members coming home today with TBI (tramatic brain injuries) and the overinflation of PTSD in the VA, I forsee a push by some left wing congressional nut to impliment some ban or restriction. Janet Napolitano's memo is already infamous among vets and is possibly the starting point for this aforemantioned jackassery.

Regardless of what is happening now, I suggest caution and consideration for the future: lefties are not dumb; they are intelligent (although lacking common sense) and devious and will stop at nothing, even violating the constitution to achieve their goals.

[Ranger]

Regardless of what is happening now, I suggest caution and consideration for the future: lefties are not dumb; they are intelligent (although lacking common sense) and devious and will stop at nothing, even violating the constitution to achieve their goals.

This.

[Zundfolge]

There may be more to the story than presented here, but apparently some vets are having their 2A rights revoked based on recommendation from the VA.

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-rv-iraq-veteran-stripped-of-second-amendment-rights,0,1708919.story

[spencerhenry]

while no major legislation has been passed by the "messiah", that does not mean that are gun rights are not under attack by the regime. if i remember right, there was a treaty that was signed by the secretary of state that if enforced would nullify the second amendment. there are little things being done to undermine our rights daily.

[Byte Stryke]

There may be more to the story than presented here, but apparently some vets are having their 2A rights revoked based on recommendation from the VA.

http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-rv-iraq-veteran-stripped-of-second-amendment-rights,0,1708919.story


Umm,


wow

[Eek2]

[BushMasterBoy]

After suffering enough injustices, I wonder if the day is coming that governmental change will be through armed revolution. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give citizens the right to protect themselves, even from the government if necessary. Taking away a citizens right to protect himself in his own home is a disgrace! To deny this right to a disabled veteran is to dishonor all veterans. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves over this injustice. The Constitution of the United States has become a facade the government seems to follow only when it suits them. The politicians should fear the people, not vice versa. The day is coming...

[waxthis]

After suffering enough injustices, I wonder if the day is coming that governmental change will be through armed revolution. The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to give citizens the right to protect themselves, even from the government if necessary. Taking away a citizens right to protect himself in his own home is a disgrace! To deny this right to a disabled veteran is to dishonor all veterans. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves over this injustice. The Constitution of the United States has become a facade the government seems to follow only when it suits them. The politicians should fear the people, not vice versa. The day is coming...

Well said...Its inevitable.

[bobbyfairbanks]

Talk of violent revolt and big talking guys on forums is just ammo to give to libs to take away our guns. Watch what you say on forums this is public. I know we are all against taking away any of our rights but talking about revolution is not the place to start at and will lead to problems.

[reddevil1111]

Those questions are asked at the VA. They also scoured files and talk quite a lot to vets who have /still suffer from PTSD.
I have chatted with several doctors in the VA about the questions and reasons for the increase in reporting vet's and they all claim its a directive from up high.
To be fair, these questions started around the time that anyone who was arrested for domestic abuse started to lose gun rights as well. So its been a while.

[dennichristianthegreate]

Green eggs and spam

[sniper7]

reminds me of how pediatricians will ask parents if there are guns in the home. even though it is none of their business and it will not affect you if you say yes or no, I think it is to hopefully educate some people to protect their kids against guns.

although I don't agree with it, want them to know, or want to answer the question, there are definitely some irresponsible people out there. guess it is something I just accept, like the TSA because there isn't much that can be done.

[TFOGGER]

If memory serves (and it may not), there were some very disturbing changes in the wording of the questions on the 4473 a couple of years back, something to the effect of "Have you ever been diagnosed with a mental health issue?" as opposed to "Have you ever been adjudicated as mentally incompetent or insane?". I haven't had to fill out a 4473 for at least a couple of years, so I don't know what the current language is(and I'm too friggin lazy to look).

[OneGuy67]

Nah.

It says, "11f. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are imcompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you been committed to a mental institution?'

I had time to look it up. I'm a loser.

[colomtn]

Senator Coburn has proposed a first-degree amendment to the Health Care Reconciliation Bill, H.R. 4872, to ensure that no veterans be denied their Second Amendment rights without due process.

http://republican.senate.gov/healthcare/reconciliation/coburn.3700.php


This bill requires no veterans be denied their Second Amendment rights without due process.

Specifically, veterans who are considered mentally incompetent for purposes of assigning benefit payments, may not be considered “adjudicated as a mental defective” unless they have been found by a judicial authority to be a danger to themselves or to others. Currently, these veterans are immediately considered “adjudicated as a mental defective” and lose their rights to possess and purchase firearms even though they are no danger to themselves or others. Background:
According to CRS, Over 140,000 veterans have been added to a national database of those prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm.
This bill is endorsed by the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, AMVETS, the Military Order of the Purple Heart, Gun Owners of America, the NRA, and the National Alliance on Mental Illness.

[OneGuy67]

According to CRS, Over 140,000 veterans have been added to a national database of those prohibited from owning or purchasing a firearm.


You lifted your post from the bill's wording. Who is 'CRS' in the "According to CRS" that is quoted and the bill is based upon?