View Full Version : Gay Military Bill Defeated
BushMasterBoy
09-21-2010, 13:25
At least some common sense
ghettodub
09-21-2010, 13:29
bwahaha, the title of this thread...
I'm not homophobic (even though I do not agree with their lifestyle choices) but I do think this bill being defeated is a good thing...
jerrymrc
09-21-2010, 15:55
I have no problem with anyone's lifestyle choice. I am just not sure that it fits in with the Warrior aspect of the Military. Exhibit "A": http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=286_1284572587
Not too sure if I would want some of these "killers" watching my six. ;)
I don't see why it matters. You aren't allowed to do anything but what you're trained to do anyway. It's not like smokers get to break rank to have a quick smoke or anything. Ya feel me?
OneGuy67
09-21-2010, 16:47
As someone who has spent 17-1/2 years in uniform on active duty, reserves and now in the national guard with multiple deployments under my belt, I can tell you that I and many of my military peers are uncomfortable with having gay men in our ranks.
The fact of close quarters brings about a sense of uncomfortableness. It isn't the fact they may or may not be able to fight; it is the down time, the closeness of the settings that brings about the concern. Surprisingly, lesbians do not bring about the same uneasiness for me, which may have to do with the fact they are not interested in me in any way. It is gay men that causes that feeling.
Now, before anyone says anything, I am comfortable around gay men in social settings. My close cousin was gay and while I didn't like his lifestyle, it didn't bother me to associate or hang out with him. It did make me uneasy to watch him as he attempted to meet other guys and I would leave before the action ratcheted up to physical involvement.
Anyway, I am glad that they didn't vote to end DADT. The military has been soliciting the opinions of the military personnel and I don't know exactly how that will come out. I have heard the new commandant of the Marines has come out vocally against repealing DADT. I wish other leaders would do so as well.
Troublco
09-21-2010, 16:47
I don't really care what anybody chooses to do in the privacy of their own home, but what people have to remember is that when you're in the military, you don't have all the same rights and privileges as civilians. You go where you're told, you do what you're told, and you follow regulations. Civilians have freedoms that military members do not. Military members follow rules civilians don't have to. My personal opinion is that people who have never been in the military don't have a realistic grasp on what is required; they base their opinions and decisions on their experiences but not necessarily on military requirements. I think this decision was a good thing, I understand that others may not agree. The thing you have to understand is, working together in the military IS NOT like working together in the civilian world. I could try to describe it to those who don't know what I'm talking about, but I doubt I could do it justice.
but what people have to remember is that when you're in the military, you don't have all the same rights and privileges as civilians. You go where you're told, you do what you're told, and you follow regulations. Civilians have freedoms that military members do not. Military members follow rules civilians don't have to. My personal opinion is that people who have never been in the military don't have a realistic grasp on what is required; they base their opinions and decisions on their experiences but not necessarily on military requirements. I think this decision was a good thing, I understand that others may not agree.
This is pretty much what I'm talking about. It doesn't matter if people are openly gay or not, because it shouldn't ever come up. You can't even walk around with your shirt untucked, so people sure as shit aren't going to be skipping around singing show tunes all the time making others uncomfortable. If someone makes a pass at a dude, he'll have plenty of time to rethink his actions while his jaw is healing.
I guess I'm just saying that it doesn't matter one way or the other, because no one is going to be allowed to "act" gay anyway right?
Troublco
09-21-2010, 17:08
The problem as I see it is that they're looking for an exception to the rules; what's to say they don't stop looking for exceptions once they get this? They can already serve as long as they keep their orientation to themselves. Why is it that they feel the need to openly flaunt it? You damn near can't be openly religious in the military now, so why should you be able to be openly gay?
Oh, Stuart - if someone went skipping around and made a pass at someone and got slugged for it, the problem would be with the person delivering the slug NOT the receiver. Bad conduct, not in keeping with military discipline. The old days where you engaged in wall-to-wall counseling are long gone.
I totally agree with that. Gays should just drop this one. I have a feeling that they would, but stupid politicians keep pushing the issue because they think it will get them votes.
But isn't the issue for them not that they want to be able to wear rainbow uniforms or be called private fabulous class, it's that if it comes out that they're gay they don't want to have to leave the military?
Hmm. How would it " come out" ?
Sometimes, if you're leaning in a certain way and the thread on your buttons is a little bit frayed, it just happens. And no one can prove that I did it on purpose.
I was kind of wondering that as well. The whole issue is kind of confusing for me.
http://blogs.trb.com/news/opinion/chanlowe/blog/flags2.gif
BushMasterBoy
09-21-2010, 19:20
http://caseylemura.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/gay-soldier1.jpg
theGinsue
09-21-2010, 20:05
Let me set the foundation of understanding first. No, I don't agree with their choice of lifestyle (let's not get into the whole "is it a choice or biologically pre-determined issue). But, in my 20 years on Active Duty I knew many individuals on active duty, in government civilian service, and as defense contractors who were/are gay/lesbian. I never had a problem working with them in the environments where we were together, but I was never deployed with them or had to share a bay shower with them. Most of these individuals were good hard workers and I appreciated their contributions to the mission. That said, I would have been uncomfortable knowingly sharing a bay shower with them or having them bunk next to me in a deployment situation. The same holds true if I had been required to share a bay shower or bunk next to a woman and the cost of having to establish separate facilities for these individuals would be prohibited and would certainly draw funds away from mission essential items.
Don't get me wrong, in no way do I think that I'd have gay men watching me shower or undress, or even make a pass at me. I've seen myself in the mirror and I'm a realist enough to know that I'm NOT what they're looking for (it still surprises me that my wife ever found me attractive - all hairy and sweaty and all..)
Once the decision to alter the rules is made to openly allow gay & lesbian members into the military, how long before transgendered members request changes to the rules to allow them to wear the uniform of the gender they don't outwardly appear to be?
In civilian society transgendered individuals already have certain legal protections. Albeit, they don't have all of the rights and protections that they wish they had. If gays are openly allowed in the military, it's a small step to allowing uniform exceptions for transgendered members.
In my opinion, this would certainly cause a major disruption in military discipline.
Don't think that could happen? Why not? If you're willing to make exceptions for one "protected class", then how could you not make exceptions for another? That's fairly hypocritical, don't you think?
Some might argue that they should be afforded the same chance to serve their country, even the military mission. Gay, lesbian, and transgendered individuals can still serve their country for the military without having to don a uniform. I currently work with two lesbian women (both did serve on active duty). One of these ladies is very dear to me and never fails to bring a smile to my face (fantastic sense of humor). Both of these ladies are providing vital contributions to the military mission in a situation that works well for them and well for the uniformed members within our organization.
I think the decision made today was the right choice.
I don't think that there will ever be a threat to the military from anyone who is transgender, any more than there would be from Siamese twins.
*I was going to say conjoined twins, but it felt too "PC."
I would have been uncomfortable having [gay men or women] bunk next to me in a deployment situation.
Why? It's not like any soldiers are allowed to be having sex on deployment, right? Aren't relationships between soldiers pretty much forbidden?
wear the uniform of the gender
Uniforms are gender specific?
In my opinion, this would certainly cause a major disruption in military discipline.
Do you think the disruption caused would be unique to the US Forces? Other countries have gays serving without issue.
I have two friends who are ex-military that are gay, both served with distinction for many years. DADT acknowledges that there are gays in the military, so the only thing repealing it does is prevent people from being kicked out of the service if they get outed. It's not like there aren't homosexuals in the service today. It seems to me that suggesting US troops couldn't cope with knowing (instead of guessing) that someone in their unit is gay is to sell the men and women of our armed forces short.
I think there's a certain inevitability about it, as the people who care about this sort of stuff die of old age; the younger generation just doesn't give a shit.
H.
I think there's a certain inevitability about it, as the people who care about this sort of stuff die of old age; the younger generation just doesn't give a shit.
H.[/quote]
I'm younger generation and I dont want to see flamming fags in any uniform... Sorry, just sayin.
Soldiers are supposed to be super badass and deal with unmentionable hardships, but also think that gays are "icky" and be unable to do their jobs in the presence of a homosexual?
Troublco
09-21-2010, 22:20
Everyone has the right to their opinion. Mine, relating to this issue, is that people who have not served should not be telling those who do or have why this shouldn't be a problem for them. If the regulations change and it becomes allowed, so be it. But until it does, don't sit there and tell people who have to deal with it directly in situations that civilians wouldn't be placed in that those people should shut up and deal. You're entitled to your opinion, they're entitled to theirs. Don't sit there and tell them why they're wrong, because you have not been in that situation. If you have served, and you feel that way, then so be it and good for you.
Before you start flaming me, I still think everyone is entitled their opinion; I just think they should consider the context in which they give it. If you haven't had personal experience with a certain situation, why do you feel that you are more qualified to speak to it than they are?
OneGuy67
09-21-2010, 23:00
Thanks Ginsue! Thanks Troublco! You guys said it better than I did.
Sorry, Hoosier. Having sex on deployment isn't the issue; the issue is not being comfortable in tight, confined spaces with gay men. Its not even a generational thing as you indicate as my last deployment in 2007/2008, I had a squad of 20-somethings and most reacted badly to having a male who was gay in the squad.
I would guess that my feeling of uncomfortableness would equate to what a female would feel if she was stuck with a squad of males and had to live, sleep, work out latrines and shower times and situations with a bunch of guys who thought she was attractive. Even if she wasn't.
Everyone has the right to their opinion. Mine, relating to this issue, is that people who have not served should not be telling those who do or have why this shouldn't be a problem for them. If the regulations change and it becomes allowed, so be it. But until it does, don't sit there and tell people who have to deal with it directly in situations that civilians wouldn't be placed in that those people should shut up and deal.
I fully understand this, and it brings me to my next point of confusion. Why are people who aren't actively serving in the military trying to change this? Does the military not have a say in this or what?
People who are serving, or I guess are no longer serving because they've violated Don't Ask, Don't Tell, are involved in the effort to repeal the policy.
Troublco
09-22-2010, 05:42
Stuart, people who are serving or have are working on changing it. And the military has damn little say, actually. Politicians have most of the say, which is why this issue has gone the way it has for years.
OneGuy67
09-22-2010, 06:51
It is a social agenda being pushed by a minority of people. They wish to force every aspect of our society to accept their view of the world.
Gay marriage will soon be here in Colorado and in the not so distant future, poligamy and multiple marriages. That is the path we are heading down socially.
What was traditional values will be pushed aside for minority views on social engineering and social norms.
bellavite1
09-22-2010, 06:57
It is a social agenda being pushed by a minority of people. They wish to force every aspect of our society to accept their view of the world.
Gay marriage will soon be here in Colorado and in the not so distant future, poligamy and multiple marriages. That is the path we are heading down socially.
What was traditional values will be pushed aside for minority views on social engineering and social norms.
POLIGAMY??!!
WTF!
Why would anibody want to deal with multiple PMS and menopauses??
Not to mention the fighting in the house [Help].
Bitter Clinger
09-22-2010, 07:20
POLIGAMY??!!
WTF!
Why would anibody want to deal with multiple PMS and menopauses??
Not to mention the fighting in the house [Help].
Some guys are just really into the whole punishment thing!
Byte Stryke
09-22-2010, 07:40
POLIGAMY??!!
WTF!
Why would anybody want to deal with multiple PMS and menopauses??
Not to mention the fighting in the house [Help].
Actually, Having spent significant time in Kuwait with Kuwaiti Friends they have it good. each wife has to have their own Home or apartment.
"You Psycho woman!" or "Another headache?"
*Leaves, goes to the other wife's apartment.*
"Hi Honey, I'm Home."
[LOL]
It is a social agenda being pushed by a minority of people. They wish to force every aspect of our society to accept their view of the world.
Gay marriage will soon be here in Colorado and in the not so distant future, poligamy and multiple marriages. That is the path we are heading down socially.
What was traditional values will be pushed aside for minority views on social engineering and social norms.
If you look at various broad categories, in each one a majority supports it. Support for it has even climbed past 50% in the categories of members of the Senate, conservatives and churchgoers.
HBARleatherneck
09-22-2010, 07:58
i find it funny our european friends are ok with a man sticking another man in the poop chute, but haveing 2 female wives is wierd.
and to answer Jake, I dont think gay marriage is gaining support. Maybe it is. I think, more of us are becoming libertarian, and figure if it doesnt directly affect us, it isnt our place to say.
Personally, I think the idea of men sticking each other in the backdoor is beyond disgusting. But, since I am not being affected by others being gay, then I dont think its my right to stop it. i dont interject right or wrong into the argument, because to me, that is a religious argument. I cant see forcing ones religious beliefs on someone else.
of course then, murder, theft etc. is covered by religion...it is a never ending cycle. forget it. i dont want to think about it.
I was talking about support for repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Although I would imagine that support for gay marriage is probably rising too, as attitudes change and conservatives age and die off, stuff like that tends to happen.
ghettodub
09-22-2010, 08:38
Surprisingly, lesbians do not bring about the same uneasiness for me...
Surprisingly? haha [ROFL1] Not that surprising. Guys like lesbians [Tooth]
It is gay men that causes that feeling.
Just for the record, I agree with most of you on that they shouldn't repeal it really. I think if gays served more openly in the military, there could be more acts of violence and hate crimes against them. But IMO, just because someone is gay doesn't mean he is interested in you just because you're a dude. I don't think that's much different than normal situations. Just because there's a girl over there doesn't mean that you really like her, and vice-versa.
On that: respect for as long as you served, and to anyone else that does. Since I'm not in the military, I don't believe that it is my right to make decisions on or pass judgement to what happens there. I also believe the same for many issues, such as gay marriage, abortion, etc. Since none of that impacts me, or will have an impact to me, I could care less really. If for some reason any of that infringed on my rights, then that's different.
Also, I respect everyone else's opinions, so [Beer]. But to me, my beliefs are very personal to me, so a change in our societal norms, which may go against what I believe, still don't impact me as it's a personal belief.
just my .02, cheers
HBARleatherneck
09-22-2010, 08:52
i think the policy should stand. i know there allready gays in the military. so it wont change or stop that. and ghettodub, said just because you see a chick doesnt mean you like her. but, when you are in close quarters with someone, its gonna be different. i lived part of my 8 years in the Corps in 80+ man squad bays. you bump into eachother alot. in the berthing area on ship, you are packed in there. now, can most men say that if a woman (regardless if you like her or not) takes off her clothes in fron of you or rubs up against you, you wont get arroused? even a little? this is why straight men dont want gays serving openly. they want to pretend everyone is straight. the military is way different than regular society. so the same rules just cant apply.
ghettodub
09-22-2010, 08:56
the military is way different than regular society. so the same rules just cant apply.
agreed
I think, more of us are becoming libertarian, and figure if it doesnt directly affect us, it isnt our place to say.
...since I am not being affected by others being gay, then I dont think its my right to stop it. i dont interject right or wrong into the argument, because to me, that is a religious argument. I cant see forcing ones religious beliefs on someone else.
of course then, murder, theft etc. is covered by religion...
You're bang on here. Murder and Theft may be covered by religion, but they're also covered by the tenant "don't hurt others", and that's really the one that we have to live by; the one that government is here to enforce.
H.
You can thank the "party of no "again!
Take for example:the military academy at West Point;these "gay" soldiers are forced to go underground,with there own secret language and habits;forced to have there locker's and room's searched [looking for gay evidence],forced to go under interrogation hearings to prove that they are not gay.This is discriminiation against gays in the military.Even though they do not tell,people who are under the "suspicion of being gay" are treated as substandard soldiers;which I think the main branches of the military are destroying the morale of our soldiers by supporting "don't ask don't tell".
This policy has led to critical troop shortage by forcing out more than 13,000 qualified service members over the last 16 years.It reminds me of decades old discrimination against black's in the military.
The Obama administration can choose not to appeal Judge Phillips ruling that the policy is unconstitutional,and simply stop ejecting soldiers.
"History will hold to account every member of Congress who refused to end this blatant injustice!"
HBARleatherneck
09-22-2010, 16:11
go away troll. at least the other liberals have something constructive to say. you are just a troll.
go away troll. at least the other liberals have something constructive to say. you are just a troll.
I am not a "liberal",I'm a left wing radical,gun tot'en Capo!
Byte Stryke
09-22-2010, 18:37
Surprisingly? haha [ROFL1] Not that surprising. Guys like lesbians [Tooth]
Most of us think of Lesbians we Imagine This!
http://thislesbianlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lesbians2.jpg
or this
http://fannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/lesbians-1.jpg
and then there is the reality
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/blain_tollefson/lesbians.jpg
and
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/Nambrosia/Funny%20Pics/FatLesbians.png
you can finish vomiting before you thank me
[ROFL1][ROFL1]
SA Friday
09-22-2010, 19:06
DADT policy is just bad... I saw it abused to go after unwanted troops and ignored for troops that did their jobs well and bordered on openly gay. It's a burden on the legal and command structures and their are other avenues in place to deal with these potential issues. The current military sexual harrassment policies and procedures would apply in all of the aforementioned situations and address the issue without another standard for what some perceive as freaks. Gay rights are a fairly new concept. It will take generations until they are accepted as normal. Nothing new there.
Troublco
09-22-2010, 19:40
I was talking about support for repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Although I would imagine that support for gay marriage is probably rising too, as attitudes change and conservatives age and die off, stuff like that tends to happen.
"As attitudes change and conservatives die off"? What, the socialists are going to inherit the earth? I shudder to think of the future that would bring.
How about "As the liberals who control the education establishment indoctrinate the young people of the country since a lot of people are too damn lazy to pay attention to raising their kids properly, attitudes change and the aforementioned young people think that everything they see on TV and read on the internet is true and the liberal socialists are right and everyone else is wrong?"
I'd like a little clarification on the whole "conservatives die off" thing as well. However, on the other hand, I feel like I was raised okay. Well enough to know how to think for myself anyway.
SA Friday
09-22-2010, 21:06
"As attitudes change and conservatives die off"? What, the socialists are going to inherit the earth? I shudder to think of the future that would bring.
How about "As the liberals who control the education establishment indoctrinate the young people of the country since a lot of people are too damn lazy to pay attention to raising their kids properly, attitudes change and the aforementioned young people think that everything they see on TV and read on the internet is true and the liberal socialists are right and everyone else is wrong?"
I think he's getting at what is considered social norm for this generation is not going to be the same 3 genarations from now. The best example is how blacks are seen in society now in comparison to how they were seen three generations ago. Older generations have a tendency to cling to their social norms and younger generations bring a shift to the social norm as they age. Ultimately, at the older generations die off so do their social norms.
In a nutshell, old people die and society changes based off of the new viewpoints of the living generations.
HBARleatherneck
09-22-2010, 21:13
dont worry sharia will fix everything.
SA Friday
09-22-2010, 21:51
dont worry sharia will fix everything.
Wait... I thought we were all against that as a new social norm [Coffee]
I think he's getting at what is considered social norm for this generation is not going to be the same 3 genarations from now. The best example is how blacks are seen in society now in comparison to how they were seen three generations ago. Older generations have a tendency to cling to their social norms and younger generations bring a shift to the social norm as they age. Ultimately, at the older generations die off so do their social norms.
In a nutshell, old people die and society changes based off of the new viewpoints of the living generations.
Pretty much. I was posting from my phone at 8 in the morning; a unique set of circumstances that led me to truncate my post.
Consider that three generations ago the armed forces were segregated by race. Is there anyone left (who doesn't spend their time in the magazine section at Safeway) who thinks we'd be better off going back to that?
P Is there anyone left (who doesn't spend their time in the magazine section at Safeway) who thinks we'd be better off going back to that?
Haha. Well played.
HBARleatherneck
09-23-2010, 08:59
Jake, there a couple different schools of thought on this subject.
group 1 thinks that gay people are born gay.
group 2 thinks that gay people have a perversion.
So the first group thinks of black segregation as equal to gay segregation. The second group think its keeping the pervs out.
ghettodub
09-23-2010, 09:00
bwahaha, true enough [ROFL1]
Most of us think of Lesbians we Imagine This!
http://thislesbianlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/lesbians2.jpg
or this
http://fannity.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/lesbians-1.jpg
and then there is the reality
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff208/blain_tollefson/lesbians.jpg
and
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t9/Nambrosia/Funny%20Pics/FatLesbians.png
you can finish vomiting before you thank me
[ROFL1][ROFL1]
No blacks = better troop health right?
Black men (http://topics.gazette.com/Black+men/) were more likely to have HIV, with 28 percent reportedly infected, compared to 18 percent of Hispanic men and 16 percent of white men.
Black men (http://topics.gazette.com/Black+men/) were also least likely to know they were infected — about 60 percent didn't know they had HIV — compared 46 percent of Hispanic men and 26 percent of whites.
Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/percent-105164-infected-hiv.html#ixzz10NxLcgbW
ghettodub
09-23-2010, 14:28
Then we have the issue of troop health...
http://www.gazette.com/articles/percent-105164-infected-hiv.html
it's probably the same statistic for non-gays... That's not a gay issue, as Stu also pointed out. That's an idiot that isn't safe thing
OP-ED:Gail Collins,NYT,Sept.23,2010 {Here are some excerpts}
DON'T ASK,DON'T DEBATE
" The legislative process is almost never uplifting. But if you watch the United States Senate in action these days,you come away convinced that the nation has jumped the shark.
On Tuesday, the Senate failed to override a Republican filibuster of a defense authorization bill. Until now,even when politics was at its worst,Congress did manage to vote to pay the Army.
And the majority leader Harry Reid , tacked on a provision that would allow undocumented immigrants who were brought to the country as children to win a path to citizenship if they serve in the military or go to college.
The Republicains, with references to the founding fathers, demanded the same open-ended system that was used when the Senate debated the financial reform bill, a process that ate up eight weeks of floor time.
Who is right?
People, it makes no difference. Never pay attention to procedural debates. They will make you crazy. It's like arbitrating a border agreement between two countries whose representatives keep fighting about who did what at the Battle of the 10 Skulls in 1284.
Plus, anybody who claims to be voting soley in the defense of legislative precedent is fibbing or delusional.
Senator John McCain, for instance, was nearly apoplectic about the fact that Reid was attaching unrelated amendments to the defense appropriations bill, like the one allowing illegal immigrants to become citizens after serving in the military. He had never seen such a thing "for as long as I have been privileged to be a member of this body." Except that he had, including Republican proposals on everything from allowing people to carry concealed weapons across state lines to banning Internet gambling.
McCain himself once sucessfully attached a campaign finance reform ammendent to a defense appropriations bill, arguing that it was relevant because better campaign finance would give our men and women in uniform more confidence in the democracy they were fighting for. But that was the old John McCain, before he was kidnapped by space aliens and reprogrammed."
I dislike the idea of riders/amendments to bills to add in unrelated stuff just get it through. Just another way the system is broken to the benefit of the legislators, so we know it won't be fixed.
IMHO gays in the military isn't the biggest issue the armed forces have with sex; it's trumped by the fact that 20% of females in the service report being raped.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html
H.
Byte Stryke
09-23-2010, 16:59
I dislike the idea of riders/amendments to bills to add in unrelated stuff just get it through. Just another way the system is broken to the benefit of the legislators, so we know it won't be fixed.
IMHO gays in the military isn't the biggest issue the armed forces have with sex; it's trumped by the fact that 20% of females in the service report being raped.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html
H.
Sadest part of any of that is the women that are in the military as prostitutes.
They Break down the credibility of the real victims.
Civilians(GS) and Contractors are the biggest targets for them overseas.
not to be outdone by any means by the male rape
http://www.refusingtokill.net/rape/malerapinthearmy.htm
its a mess
[Bang]
SA Friday
09-24-2010, 12:19
Whoa... You guys have steered way off course in this thread. Someone shoot an azimuth and start a pace count.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/wealthyboomer/BackTrackThailandIMG_0163.jpg
Photoshop opportunity....
Whoa... You guys have steered way off course in this thread. Someone shoot an azimuth and start a pace count.
Yo homie,it wasn't called the gay military bill in the U.S. Senate; although you might want to think so and that is your right.
It was called the Defense Authorization Bill and since this thread is about that bill that failed to pass; I feel free and for anybody else to talk about that bill and the reasons why it failed to pass.
THANK-YOU
I think if a gay person wants to live "out" they have two choices.
1. Don't join the military
2. Join the military and keep their mouth shut about being gay.
Note: No option for "Force govt and all branches of service to policy change to adapt to their lifestyle"
I think they should just go for broke and shoot for getting a gay branch of the government.
I'm all for DADT. Having served in the military like so many others here (and that was when gays were not allowed at all), I think what they do is up to them, but I am just as happy not knowing about it.
SA Friday
09-24-2010, 23:56
Sadest part of any of that is the women that are in the military as prostitutes.
They Break down the credibility of the real victims.
Civilians(GS) and Contractors are the biggest targets for them overseas.
not to be outdone by any means by the male rape
http://www.refusingtokill.net/rape/malerapinthearmy.htm
its a mess
[Bang]
Hey ERNO, what from the above has anything to do with the defense bill? It went from a discussion of A, abruptly turned left, and discussed B.
You're not a moderator, my mother, or my wife. So, take the attitude crap elsewhere.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/fightingsodomites.jpg
GunTroll
09-25-2010, 09:58
^Thats funny!
DADT works.
Byte Stryke
09-25-2010, 10:18
Again, My Fault, Sorry...
Everyone meet up at the King Soopers Parking lot at 120th and Colorado for the Public flogging to begin NLT 1800 on 9/24/2010
Thank you that will be all.
and I thought we were discussing sexuality and its effect on the military, not just Gay-Bashing.
Hey ERNO, what from the above has anything to do with the defense bill? It went from a discussion of A, abruptly turned left, and discussed B.
You're not a moderator, my mother, or my wife. So, take the attitude crap elsewhere.
HEY YO, whats the big deal? I think that your the one thats trying to act like a moderator.
Those persons were trying to have constructive opinions revelant to this thread. One talked about "male rape" and that is going to be a problem if we let gays in the miltary,unless we have strict enforcement of military law.The other talked about" female rape" which would be a problem with lesbians.
So I would say, Cool Your Jets and stop trying to act like a dictator.
Jumpstart
09-25-2010, 17:52
I think if a gay person wants to live "out" they have two choices.
1. Don't join the military
2. Join the military and keep their mouth shut about being gay.
Note: No option for "Force govt and all branches of service to policy change to adapt to their lifestyle"
C'mon, get real, that makes way too much sense.
Troublco
09-26-2010, 22:40
HEY YO, whats the big deal? I think that your the one thats trying to act like a moderator.
Those persons were trying to have constructive opinions revelant to this thread. One talked about "male rape" and that is going to be a problem if we let gays in the miltary,unless we have strict enforcement of military law.The other talked about" female rape" which would be a problem with lesbians.
So I would say, Cool Your Jets and stop trying to act like a dictator.
You really need to cool your own jets, slick. SA Friday knows what he's talking about. How much do you know about the military, or this particular issue in relation to it? It's fine to have your opinion, but you should realize that there just may be people out there who actually know more about it than you. And I'd guess the reason he hasn't bothered to respond is that he wasn't going to waste his time on you. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I am. Must be bored.
The raping of females isn't coming from other females.
The raping of females isn't coming from other females.
Then you must not seen the movie "Reform School Girls" yet, starring Wendy O. Williams, who she portrayed as a bull dyke prisoner.
You really need to cool your own jets, slick. SA Friday knows what he's talking about. How much do you know about the military, or this particular issue in relation to it? It's fine to have your opinion, but you should realize that there just may be people out there who actually know more about it than you. And I'd guess the reason he hasn't bothered to respond is that he wasn't going to waste his time on you. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I am. Must be bored.
Well, thank God that the U.S. Military is being controlled by the civilian branches of government! That much I do know.
It is a joy to hear from you! Like to hear from you again.
Byte Stryke
09-27-2010, 11:08
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Funny, I never thought of our founding father's as being right wing radical's. I've always thought of our founding father's as being left wing radical's.
OneGuy67
09-27-2010, 12:46
Funny, I never thought of our founding father's as being right wing radical's. I've always thought of our founding father's as being left wing radical's.
Really?!
Byte Stryke
09-27-2010, 15:54
Funny, I never thought of our founding father's as being right wing radical's. I've always thought of our founding father's as being left wing radical's.
what in the hell does my signature have to do with this thread being a train wreck?
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