How many.Is to many? 1911s

[brokenscout]

Love them

[rondog]

Ain't no such thing as "too many 1911's"! [Tooth]

[68Charger]

umm, 1912?

[Irving]

No single digit number is ever "too many."

[BigBear]

Illogical question... There is no such thing as "too many (firearms)".

[glock21]

1 is to many for me, once i get even just 1 i sell it right away guess im not a 1911 guy

[Graves]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg

[Gunner]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg

Holly shit!

[Irving]

45 .45s. What is this, Sesame Street?

[SA Friday]

No single digit number is ever "too many."
I can do that in a single digit.




8





now turn your monitor 90 degrees and re-read the single digit. [Pepsi]

[Gunner]

45 .45s. What is this, Sesame Street?

Ha freaking hilarious

[Irving]

Then it would be a symbol silly. :p

But a symbol representing a number...which is a digit...[Slap]

[ronaldrwl]

Depends on how much time you have to clean them [Dunno]

[nontactical]

I also have to return some video tapes....

Am I the only one here who gets the reference made in Graves footer and knows how off-da-charts awsome it is in conjunction with owning that many 1911s?

[Colorado Osprey]

I had 17 at one time.

I now own none.

I haven't given up firearms just and outdated design in my opinion. I bet a lot of you disagree though. It seems that many just love the 1911.

My switch came in about 1997 when I had to use a Glock when I switched departments. I bought one for myself and took it to the range to get myself familiar with it.
Dang if I shot waaaay better with the Glock than any of my 1911's. Many of them accurized guns worth thousands!

Within the next month I sold almost all of my 1911's off and then had a hand full of Glocks.... never looked back and one 1911.
5 years later traded that never used 1911 and now own none.

[SA Friday]

I had 17 at one time.

I now own none.

I haven't given up firearms just and outdated design in my opinion. I bet a lot of you disagree though. It seems that many just love the 1911.

My switch came in about 1997 when I had to use a Glock when I switched departments. I bought one for myself and took it to the range to get myself familiar with it.
Dang if I shot waaaay better with the Glock than any of my 1911's. Many of them accurized guns worth thousands!

Within the next month I sold almost all of my 1911's off and then had a hand full of Glocks.... never looked back and one 1911.
5 years later traded that never used 1911 and now own none.
I have chosen not to choose. [Tooth]

[Jolly Green]

The perfect number is:

X + 1.

(X being the number you currently own.)

[theGinsue]

Holly shit!


My thoughts precisely.

I still don't get the question from the subject of the OP. Too many 1911's? The concept of too many guns of any sort is lost on me.

[rondog]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg


Oh.....my.....God.....

I hope you don't mind, I had to save that photo! Adding that one to my spank bank.

[Troublco]

The perfect number is:

X + 1.

(X being the number you currently own.)

And apply this school of thought to each type you enjoy/want to own.....

(Too many. That's funny!)

[SAnd]

It's not a matter of if you have too many, it's a matter of if you need more.

A wise man once told me (via tee shirt)-

"If you can remember how many guns you have you don't have enough."

[brokenscout]

Oh.....my.....God.....

I hope you don't mind, I had to save that photo! Adding that one to my spank bank.
That is a great picture

[Ah Pook]

Then it would be a symbol silly. :p

But a symbol representing a number...which is a digit...[Slap]
I believe he means "8" to be infinity.



8

[10x]

If a lot are good too many are just right.

[CMP_5.56]

I agree that the term "too many firearms" is just rediculous! As for 1911s, I have only owned one, and I enjoyed it, though I did let it go. I will admit I do want a commander in 9mm. Which I'm sure purists will crucify me for. But I believe in caliber consolidation, and all my handguns are 9mm. Probably why I let my 1911 go in the first place.

[Bailey Guns]

Holy crap, Graves. Nice collection. But...that's some seriously OCD shit to get 'em all lined up like that.

[Coffee]

OCD or not...still haven't reached that "too many" point.

For those of you who think the 1911 is outdated, please answer these questions:

What, exactly, is outdated about the design of the 1911?
Why is it 100 years old and going stronger than ever?
Why is every gun-making company on the planet making a 1911 copy (OK...maybe not every single company...but a shit-load of them)?
Why is the 1911 "outdated" but the Mauser design, the basis for almost every bolt-action in existence, not outdated?
Is the Colt revolver design from 1873 (SAA) outdated as well?Not trying to be argumentative...I just don't understand this whole argument that the 1911 is outdated.

[Ridge]

:)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/Shooting/new1911.jpg

[opie011]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg

Wow mike I knew you liked 1911s but damn...

[funkfool]

Yeah... 45 is a good start...

I still need to work on getting 9, 9mms.
Or 38, .38's
Or better yet... 357, .357's

[funkfool]

Brings an idea to mind...
"Learn to count with firearms..." thread...
That is the 45 post for sure.
(post #2400!)

[kidicarus13]

For those of you who think the 1911 is outdated, please answer these questions:

What, exactly, is outdated about the design of the 1911?
Why is it 100 years old and going stronger than ever?
Why is every gun-making company on the planet making a 1911 copy (OK...maybe not every single company...but a shit-load of them)?
Why is the 1911 "outdated" but the Mauser design, the basis for almost every bolt-action in existence, not outdated?
Is the Colt revolver design from 1873 (SAA) outdated as well?

* The 1911 is not as reliable out-of-the-box as the majority of modern semi-auto pistols. If you don't want to accept this I'm sorry. I'll buy a Glock and you can buy a 1911 (anything except a $2500 hand-fitted 1911) and the first one to have a FTF has to give their gun to the other shooter. It's the design, not the mfg.

* They're going stronger than ever because a lot of people enjoy collecting and shooting them. Polymer guns are boring to collect. People enjoy customizing their 1911s and that is a large part of the 1911 market and appeal.

* Comparing the 1911 to the Mauser design is like comparing apples to oranges, you can't do it.

* Yes, the Colt SSA is also an outdated design if you're employing it for serious defensive pistol work.

Sometimes I think a lot of 1911 collectors have too much time, money, and emotion wrapped up in their collections to look at the big picture and admit there are better designs out there. If you shoot the 1911 better than other guns that's great, but that's not what the quoted post is questioning.

[Ah Pook]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg

Do you have one of these coats to carry them all? [Coffee]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/6/6b/The_Boondock_Saints_-_Il_Duce.jpg

[AirbornePathogen]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg

When I saw this picture, I swear that the clouds parted and the angels sang. "Jealous" doesn't even begin to cover it.

[2008f450]

Thanks Graves. I showed that pic to my wife. Now I wont hear a peep when I bring home a new gun[ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

* The 1911 is not as reliable out-of-the-box as the majority of modern semi-auto pistols. If you don't want to accept this I'm sorry. I'll buy a Glock and you can buy a 1911 (anything except a $2500 hand-fitted 1911) and the first one to have a FTF has to give their gun to the other shooter. It's the design, not the mfg.

* They're going stronger than ever because a lot of people enjoy collecting and shooting them. Polymer guns are boring to collect. People enjoy customizing their 1911s and that is a large part of the 1911 market and appeal.

* Comparing the 1911 to the Mauser design is like comparing apples to oranges, you can't do it.

* Yes, the Colt SSA is also an outdated design if you're employing it for serious defensive pistol work.

Sometimes I think a lot of 1911 collectors have too much time, money, and emotion wrapped up in their collections to look at the big picture and admit there are better designs out there. If you shoot the 1911 better than other guns that's great, but that's not what the quoted post is questioning.

I've owned a lot of 1911 pistols and my experience doesn't jive with your reliability claims.

As a matter of fact, I've owned a lot of Glocks, too. One of the least reliable pistols I've ever owned was a G21 that I bought for duty carry in the 1994/1995 time frame. If the temp ever got below about 40 degrees, the gun wouldn't feed. I didn't keep it long.

Personally, I've never owned a 1911 that wasn't as reliable as a Glock...and, yes, right out of the box. Apparently, our experiences with the two models are different.

And, I think they're more popular than ever because after 100 years people realize they still work as well, or better, than the newer designs. They've come back strong with law enforcement agencies over the last 10-15 years...and even some military units. The trigger is manageable, the reach is easy for most anyone...even those with smaller hands (can't say that for Glocks), they're very slim and some are quite lightweight. I've carried concealed for a long time and a 1911 in some of the smaller versions is as easy to carry as almost anything. If you're looking at this objectively, you know you can't say that about a Glock. Even the smallest are very chunky and thick.

And I wasn't comparing the Mauser/1911 designs. I was making the point that just because the design has a few years behind it doesn't mean it's outdated.

Personally, I won't admit there are better designs than the 1911. There are designs that might be equally as good. But better? I think you're going to have a hard time fighting the evidence. Especially when most guns...even Glocks...work the same way a 1911 does with the exception of the firing mechanism (traditional hammer vs the striker fired system). Let's face it...both are recoil operated, locking breach guns. I will say that in the parts replacement/repair department, Glock has the 1911 beat hands down. There is NO easier gun to work on.

When Glocks have been around basically unchanged for a century, I might start to take notice. But by then, the 1911 will still be going strong at 170+ years old.

Don't get me wrong...I like Glock pistols. If I could only own one handgun, a Glock 17 would certainly be on my short list. I've carried them on duty and owned several over the years. They are generally very reliable. But that can be said of most modern guns. But Glock pistols are mechanical devices that sometimes fail. They aren't perfect...despite the Glock slogan.

And one more thing to add to the mix. You wanna talk about reliability? I'll put up a S&W 3rd gen auto (I prefer the 4506) up against a Glock in the reliability/durability/accuracy race any time. Ease of use/ease of carry between the two? Well...not so much. I'll take the Glock.

[DSB OUTDOORS]

All I can say is one can NEVER have enough!! If you have the bank roll you can pay the Toll!! [Beer]

[rondog]

Man, that photo brings a tear to my eye everytime! All hail The King! http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/smilies/respect1.gif

[jmg8550]

One can never have too many 1911's, or firearms for that matter.

If they are so outdated, why are they still one of the most accurate pistols? Why are they still used more than any other pistol in Bullseye competition?

The U.S. special forces still use them.

Below is link to a video of a 1911 shooting 1000 rounds without a malfunction. I also included a Glock 1000 round test and several malfunctions and the ammo was blamed.

1911 1000 rounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7wL2QuFTLQ part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFF0TbhgQMY part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZ9AdOWUNw part 3

Glock 1000 rounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_JuF23qazI part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZxQfIBXDc&feature=related part 2

[CMP_5.56]

I've seen both of those videos before. The 1911 one is edited and the glock one isn't. And I have to say the fact that the glock still cycled after melting the guide rod was pretty damn impressive.

Either way both guns are a good weapon. And most guns are not as reliable out of the box as they would be if you hotroded them out. It all comes down to personal choice. And we all want to believe our favorite gun is the best one made.

Either way the topic is can there be too many. And I think we all agree that is a no.

[GhostRider]

riginally Posted by Graves http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=244986#post244986) http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6882/003a.jpg


Dang and double Dang, your are the man!!!

[FireMoth]

1911s are outdated designs.

So are AR15s

ZING!

[Bailey Guns]

Well, let's just look at the definition of the term "outdated" objectively and see if it applies to the 1911:

Outdated: Old; no longer valid or fashionable; obsolete (or add your own synonym)Is the 1911 an old design? Yes. About 100 years old.

Is the 1911 a design which is no longer valid or fashionable? No. Obviously not. It's a recoil operated, locked breech design, and almost all other modern pistols in the normal defensive calibers use the same design in a different package. Again, obviously, it's still fashionable. Every company that makes a copy of the 1911 sells all they can build. Somebody likes them.

Is the 1911 design obsolete? No. See above. It works just like every other modern semi-auto. Or, more accurately, every other modern semi-auto works just like it does. There really hasn't been an improvement in John Browning's basic design of the modern semi-auto in the last 100+ years.

Now you can apply whatever subjective terms you want to argue it's outdated. But that just boils down to opinion...not facts.

So, perhaps some people are confusing "old" with "obsolete" or "outdated".

[Bailey Guns]

OK...after reading this, I may have to change my opinion on this topic:


Rosco S. Benson on rec.guns “Is the 1911 an Outdated Design?”
Of course the 1911 is an outdated design. It came from an era when weapons were designed to win fights, not to avoid product liability lawsuits. It came from an era where it was the norm to learn how your weapon operated and to practice that operation until it became second nature, not to design the piece to the lowest common denominator. It came from an era in which our country tried to supply its fighting men with the best tools possible, unlike today, when our fighting men and women are issued hardware that was adopted because of international deal-making or the fact that the factory is in some well-connected congressman's district. Yes, beyond any shadow of a doubt, the 1911 IS an outdated design....and that's exactly what I love about it.So, I guess if you put it in those terms the 1911 IS outdated. I can live with that.

And since this is the Photo Gallery here's a few of my carry gun of the last 8 or so years. It ain't pretty but it works. I'll post a report when...or IF...it ever malfunctions. Other than the sights it's a stock Ultra Carry II:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/c8810eb1.jpg

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/c11b234d.jpg

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/e0c45189.jpg

[Ah Pook]

Ya know, I think they are right. The 1911 is a useless and outdated design that no one should be burdened with. So, please send me all those unusable relics and I will take appropriate care of them.











[Neene1]

[wctriumph]

Like I always say when it come to guns or motorcycles, you only need one .... MORE!

[lllRorlll]

strickly by looks,, ill take the top.. second from the right
good stuff, all of em

[Hannu]

The fact: if you wanna have a nicely fitted & finished pistol, there are no others than 1911 and new partner 2011.

I do not know/care/understand about if some gun is "beautiful" or something, to me only thing that matters about looks is that the gun looks like someody who knows what he was doing built it.

Just my 2 cents and small photo about my carry gun :)

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/7253/p7184178small.jpg (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/p7184178small.jpg/)

[FireMoth]

The fact: if you wanna have a nicely fitted & finished pistol, there are no others than 1911 and new partner 2011.

Just to play devils advocate, the 1911 is the Gun that is most built into nicely custom fit carry, show, and competition guns... in the US.
Where arms are allowed in Europe, however, CZ-75 Variants are actually the pistol of choice for dressing up or racing out.

I still got a chuckle out some one throwing 'outdated' around on a board built around a 48 year old service rifle. you guys are just too much some times ;)

[hurley842002]

I still got a chuckle out some one throwing 'outdated' around on a board built around a 48 year old service rifle. you guys are just too much some times ;)
[ROFL1] My thoughts exactly!

[battle_sight_zero]

When I fired my first 1911 it was in basic in 1985. I qualified expert on the M16 and I nogoed twice on the 1911. I qualified barely on the third time after switching pistols. Those 1911s were loose and I am sure they had seen thousands of rounds and rebuilds since WW2. I sure was not a fan after that expereince. When I got to my other units overtime the 1911s they had were tighter and my scores went up. When the 92 came to us I finally got my expert rating, mainly because the pistols were new. As time went on and after the service I ended up buying a 1911. All I can say is that the first pistol I bought shoots circles around the rickety 1911s I had in the service. I envy Graves collection, but I still ended up getting 9 more myself. To me some 1911s are works of ART, just how you can tweek them and dress them up. To me they are the 9 hottest "girls" in the safe. I have many other designs of pistols and love to shoot them too, but there is a special feeling I get when I shoot my 1911's. They are always the last ones I shoot at the end of a range trip.

[SA Friday]

strickly by looks,, ill take the top.. second from the right
good stuff, all of em
Na, take the fourth one from the left on the top row. pretty sure that one is a full custom build.

[Hannu]

Just to play devils advocate, the 1911 is the Gun that is most built into nicely custom fit carry, show, and competition guns... in the US.
Where arms are allowed in Europe, however, CZ-75 Variants are actually the pistol of choice for dressing up or racing out.


I have to completely disagree. Except for Production division where 1911 / 2011 guns are not legal, maybe 90% of European IPSC competition guns are 1911 and 2011 based in Standard and Open.
In national championships, there are usually 0-2 CZ-75 and/or clones in top 10 but 8-10 1911 / 2011 guns.

Plastic guns like Glock, H&K rule European law enforcement / CCW market, not CZ-75. That may have been the situation 20-30 years ago, but not anymore, even in old Russian states.
Some very small and specialized units where operators and/or their small group can choose their sidearm(s), use 1911 / 2011 pistols. Like Netherlands army SFG buying couple hundred STI Tactical pistols.
It is just waste of money to give a regular police officer $5000 hand built 1911 pistol. Better give him something else so he will not accidentially shoot himself or somebody else so easily.

Sphinx, Tanfoglio, Baby Eagle etc. are just crappy workmanship (and some have crappy design too) compared to a good 1911. You just can not talk about them on the same day you talk about a good 1911 ;)

[Cman]

Graves that is the most awesome collections ive ever seen. Made my mouth drool!

[10x]

If a lot is good too many are just right.
The 1911 may be a 100 year old design, but it is still the standard that all others are compared to.

[Daniel_187]

So I guess am hosed because if 2 is 1 and 1 is none, I have None

[Zombie Steve]

That's Brian's collection (bac1023 from Glocktalk).

All hail the 1911.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/1911outdateddesign.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/IMG_0512.jpg

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x214/sbecht/DSCF1737.jpg

[spyder]

If a lot is good too many are just right.
The 1911 may be a 100 year old design, but it is still the standard that all others are compared to.
I was pretty sure it was Hk's, FNH's, and XDM's that the new guns are compared to. The only guns compared to 1911's, are other 1911's. [ROFL1]

[gcrookston]

I was pretty sure it was Hk's, FNH's, and XDM's that the new guns are compared to. The only guns compared to 1911's, are other 1911's. [ROFL1]


Not True. They get compared to Lugers, Nambus, c/96 broomhandle mausers, M1911 Steyrs, Tokerovs, HiPowers, hipoints, ravens... And ...

I like the 1911. I own a few and have owned quite a few more. Not close to my first choice if my life depended on it.

Comparing a 1911 to an HK USP Tactical or a Sig P220 is like comparing 1952 Coupe DeVille to a 7 series BMW...

[theskalickys]

I like the Zombie Survival Guide under the gun.. Classy

[Zombie Steve]

[Tooth]

Too many pictures of nice guns on bedspreads or carpet on the internet. I try to mix it up a little.