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Colorado Luckydog
10-11-2010, 22:02
Is there a limit on how many guns a guy can buy or sale within a certain time frame without a FFL? If I decide to buy a gun one day and decide to trade or sale it the next day, would I be breaking some dumbass law?
If there is a law like that, it's one stupid ass law. Thanks in advance.
ChunkyMonkey
10-11-2010, 22:04
No No and yes I agree.
clublights
10-11-2010, 22:25
it would be pretty darn hard to enforce even if there were.........
Who's gunna tell em ?
Colorado Luckydog
10-12-2010, 06:49
it would be pretty darn hard to enforce even if there were.........
Who's gunna tell em ?
The reason I ask is there is some fat ass on another forum that keeps saying that I should have a FFL because I buy and sale to many guns. I don't buy or sale near as many as a lot of guys. I was just wanting to know exactly what the law is about it before I tear into his fat ass and tell him to f@#$ off on a public forum.
no joke.
if I could pick a super power it'd be the ability to read minds and cause people pain over the phone/internet.
then when some idiot ran their mouth I could pm them, telling them things they never told anyone (completely scaring the shit out of them) then give them a long distance swift kick in the nuts.
that or the ability to make people instantly and violently evacuate their bowels with my mind.
StagLefty
10-12-2010, 07:10
that or the ability to make people instantly and violently evacuate their bowels with my mind.
That's the shits !! [ROFL1]
I think the general rule is you shouldn't be operating as a business without a license. If you use it to pay bills instead of as a hobby you may have more of an issue but I'm not aware of anything specific about the situation being wrong unless it's a Colorado state law of which I'm unaware. IRS would probably have a bigger problem than ATF.
So yeah, what most everyone else has said. So long as you are not conducting these transactions for profit, then you are conducting private party sales. Same concept could be applied to cars or lawn mowers. Technically as long as you are paying the appropriate taxes you're good to go.
Secondly.. why the hell are you even engaging in said debate with a obvious dolt on the Errornet? Just don't bother engaging with him. Or asking what legal references he's drawing from to support his stance and judgment.
ChunkyMonkey
10-12-2010, 08:36
that or the ability to make people instantly and violently evacuate their bowels with my mind.
[ROFL1]
crap.. now i gotta crap.
If you sell more than ten guns a year, the ATF may have some questions. It doesn't mean you broke the law, it just means they may mess with you. If you are buying parts and assembling them to sell, you could be seen as a defacto dealer or manufacture. This would not be good. If your doing face to face transactions, it will be harder for them to track your sales.
I thought you couldn't sell more than like 6 cars a year without having a dealer's license. Who knows where I heard that though. Most likely it was from an idiot.
HBARleatherneck
10-12-2010, 09:52
in Colorado it used to be 5 cars per year in your name. Without being a dealer. It of course could have changed, as I havent looked at it in 8 or 9 years. But, your wifes name, your cousins name, your dogs name, horses name, etc.
I see people on the cologunmarket that sell 5-20 everyday. well listed anyway. and they are selling as private ftf. i would think someone is watching that many transactions, no matter what the law is.
I have never hear of a state law but it could be. I've got a FFL 07 license so I'm good.
Byte Stryke
10-12-2010, 10:33
It honestly should only matter as to the intent of your transactions.
If you buy a new gun every week and decide you don't like it for whatever reason, you should have the ability to sell it and get a new/different one if you like.
but now if you are buying 20 uppers, 20 lowers and parts kits a week with the intent of selling them then you might have a problem.
just my 2 cents
I'd be interested on where this other guy (on the other forum)was from. I recently moved from Massachusetts and there is such a state law there (sorta).
You can buy as many as you want in a year but you can only sell 4 a year in a FTF transaction. You can sell as many as you want after that, BUT they have to transferred through a FFL. The state keeps track of all transaction with a state form (FA-10) that is sent to the Criminal history board (great name huh?) for all firearm transaction.
Other states have similar laws, IIRC when I lived in NJ, I think they have something similar.
so. . . .Colorado doesn't have such a law (yet)
rhineoshott
10-12-2010, 18:12
It honestly should only matter as to the intent of your transactions.
If you buy a new gun every week and decide you don't like it for whatever reason, you should have the ability to sell it and get a new/different one if you like.
but now if you are buying 20 uppers, 20 lowers and parts kits a week with the intent of selling them then you might have a problem.
just my 2 cents
Yeah. what he said
Intentions is where it's all at. What are you planning to do with a gun once you buy it. I think it's fine to recognize the potential for future sale when buying a firearm. Example: "Oh, I've always wanted to try one of those guns. and this is a good deal. I'll get it. Besides, if I don't like it, or get bored with it, I can always sell it for the same price."
theGinsue
10-12-2010, 20:31
I'd be interested on where this other guy (on the other forum)was from. I recently moved from Massachusetts and there is such a state law there (sorta).
You can buy as many as you want in a year but you can only sell 4 a year in a FTF transaction. You can sell as many as you want after that, BUT they have to transferred through a FFL. The state keeps track of all transaction with a state form (FA-10) that is sent to the Criminal history board (great name huh?) for all firearm transaction.
Other states have similar laws, IIRC when I lived in NJ, I think they have something similar.
so. . . .Colorado doesn't have such a law (yet)
Nope. CO doesn't have such a law (yet... give the anti's time!).
I believe that New Jersey has a buy limit of 2/month but don't know about sales.
OneGuy67
10-12-2010, 20:48
The only issue I see would be the potential for someone to accuse you of straw buying, since the firearms are not staying in your possession for very long.
Colorado Luckydog
10-12-2010, 22:25
Secondly.. why the hell are you even engaging in said debate with a obvious dolt on the Errornet? Just don't bother engaging with him. Or asking what legal references he's drawing from to support his stance and judgment.
I have ignored his fat ass so far and I will continue to ignore him. I don't want it to escalate into an ass whooping for one of us. I can tend to be a hot head when someone is asking for it. What's sad is, I thought he was friend. Like my daddy sometimes said, "boy that's what you get for thinking!"[ROFL1]
Byte Stryke
10-13-2010, 00:57
"Oh, I've always wanted to try one of those guns. and this is a good deal. I'll get it. Besides, if I don't like it, or get bored with it, I can always sell it for the same price."
or you could do like some people try here. Couple it with a used sweaty-ass holster and a box of ammo and tack on an extra few hundred bucks.
wait, we already did this in another thread?
[ROFL1]
or you could do like some people try here. Couple it with a used sweaty-ass holster and a box of ammo and tack on an extra few hundred bucks.
wait, we already did this in another thread?
[ROFL1]
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