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I think fake
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I don't know if it's real or fake. It's pretty neat either way.
Molon_Labe-1775
10-15-2010, 08:53
Right off the bat I would say fake. Ice is solid and a bullet hitting ice would deform. That and a bullet comes out pretty damn hot.
The rounds do look like they were fired. Interesting to say the least. [Coffee]
hollohas
10-15-2010, 09:03
I would have to say fake because of where the spinning bullets were. They were in between where the initial shot hit and the shooter. Given the angle the shooter was firing at, there is no way the bullets came back towards the shooter. That and they weren't deformed at all. But, pretty convincing either way. Those spinning bullets were zinging.
ronaldrwl
10-15-2010, 10:15
I Say fake. A bullet is going to penetrate farther in ice. And they never show continues film footage of a shot and the spinning bullet. It's always in another spot that was off camera.
Probably fake but how do they get the bullet to spin?
The only way I can think of getting a bullet to spin that fast would be magnets or a drop-pulley with a string attached....
Lead nor copper are attracted to magnets ;)
But it's fake. They shoot the bullet into the ground a good 8 inches from where they are looking.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/spinningbullet.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/spinningbullet4.jpg
Lead nor copper are attracted to magnets ;)
Rgr, but metal doesn't have to be magnetic to react to magnets. It's the polarity and field interaction that works. Kinda like the physics behind a top.
A lot of "tricks" and stuff in magic or on ghost shows etc are done with non-metallic metals reacting to magnetic fields, hence their readings on the EMF crap.
ronaldrwl
10-15-2010, 14:08
Rgr, but metal doesn't have to be magnetic to react to magnets. It's the polarity and field interaction that works. Kinda like the physics behind a top.
Hmm, never heard of that.
There are at least 4 videos on YouTube on spining bulets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPs70mhEM_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZlciP6gUQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGM2sYRF06s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1btKoF_HZk&feature=related
there may be more.
ChunkyMonkey
10-15-2010, 14:31
I Say fake. A bullet is going to penetrate farther in ice. And they never show continues film footage of a shot and the spinning bullet. It's always in another spot that was off camera.
It is supposed to bounce off and landed spinning. It has something to do with cold air, ice.. etc.. I have no idea how it works, but I heard this to be quite common occurrence when its very cold.
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Zundfolge
10-15-2010, 14:36
Apparently the Mythbusters ARE going to tackle this one. (http://gizmodo.com/5663836/the-incredible-case-of-the-spinning-bullet-on-ice)
hollohas
10-15-2010, 14:47
The interesting thing is that in a couple of the videos you can see a trail in the snow leading up to the spot the bullet is spinning...very crazy, I don't know what to think about this one now.
CrufflerSteve
10-15-2010, 14:52
I would say fake because those bullets kept spinning and spinning. Even on ice there is friction so they'd be slowing down. When the Mythbusters do it let me know. I would love for it to be true.
Ryan_Th3_K1d
10-15-2010, 15:13
I would say fake because those bullets kept spinning and spinning. Even on ice there is friction so they'd be slowing down. When the Mythbusters do it let me know. I would love for it to be true.
They spun for awhile then slowed down...Ice is really slick, don't believe me go ice skating and try to stop by sitting down. I'm curious how this works, either how they fake it or if it's real what the physics are behind it.
ronaldrwl
10-15-2010, 16:14
It is supposed to bounce off and landed spinning. It has something to do with cold air, ice.. etc.. I have no idea how it works, but I heard this to be quite common occurrence when its very cold.
Could be. I'll change my vote to maybe. But what are the odds that a bullet fired at ~30 degrees into the show would bounce straight up and land within inches of were it was fired???
theGinsue
10-15-2010, 17:01
Man, that's nuts. I'm not willing to take a guess either way on this one.
If it is real, who would willingly shoot at the ice knowing that the bullet is going to come back at them? I sure as the hell won't.
steveopia
10-15-2010, 17:20
Crazy
Byte Stryke
10-15-2010, 18:48
1) Bullets are not the Awe inspiring Penetrators that we imagine them to be. It is possible to "Bounce" a bullet, Particularly larger calibers off of water if the angle is correct.
2) Someone help me with the math on this as I don't know the twist of the weapon fired in the video, but the spin should be equal to the Twist and velocity of the weapon
example: 3000 FPS in 1/12 (for easier math) would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000 Rotations per second or 180,000 RPMs, not counting for deceleration due to atmosphere, ice, impact, time, friction etc. velocity/Time x twist.3) If you watch the video it seems that it occurs when he fires at a larger distance from himself, More of an oblique angle. Being more prone to "Bounce" than stop inside the ice. I would say yes.
I have been hit with a .380 a dumb-ass buddy of mine tried to put into a concrete wall. It hit my coat, Bounced off and sat on the floor spinning.
So yes I am more prone to believe this regardless of what the "mythspoofers" say. Anyone can alter scientific outcomes by altering the variables. Who wants to bet they "Bust it" Because they fire a .50BMG at an icecube 1' away and it doesn't work?
[ROFL1]
steveopia
10-15-2010, 18:55
If it's real I'd just be suprised that the bullets weren't really being distorted at all. I'd like to see some slow-mo action shots of this.
Byte Stryke
10-15-2010, 19:22
an example of the "Mythspoofers" Shennanigans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arh7K5vKSWQ
more useless but entertaining videos :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTHo0K2Sc0g
Byte Stryke
10-15-2010, 19:28
If it's real I'd just be suprised that the bullets weren't really being distorted at all. I'd like to see some slow-mo action shots of this.
I noticed that all of the rounds used were FMJs
Just sayin
steveopia
10-15-2010, 19:32
I noticed that all of the rounds used were FMJs
Just sayin
Yeah. I would expect a little distortion though. And maybe there was but I just couldn't see it.
ChunkyMonkey
10-15-2010, 20:26
If it is real, who would willingly shoot at the ice knowing that the bullet is going to come back at them? I sure as the hell won't.
I ll be one of the many COAR members that will shoot at the frozen lake and stare at it like a dumbass this winter.
steveopia
10-15-2010, 20:59
I ll be one of the many COAR members that will shoot at the frozen lake and stare at it like a dumbass this winter.
When we goin'? [Abused]
Hot bullet + ice = instant thin layer of water to lubricate.
68Charger
10-16-2010, 08:52
if it's hot enough (And I think bullets just fired & stopped that quickly probably are), then it'll ride on a layer of water VAPOR = even less friction
it's believable to me, I agree that the bullets not being deformed seems a bit odd, but I've pulled .45 ACP out of a dirt bank that looked like they could have just been re-loaded (just rifling grooves, no other damage at all).. maybe has to do with the brittle nature of ice- it disintegrates fast enough to not damage the bullet?
StagLefty
10-16-2010, 09:03
Fired 4 rounds into the freezer. No spinning. WANTED: CHEST FREEZER !! [ROFL1]
Byte Stryke
10-16-2010, 09:57
Fired 4 rounds into the freezer. No spinning. WANTED: CHEST FREEZER !! [ROFL1]
I Sot at Ice cube at PB with the S&W .40 JHP and it just blew the ice cube apart.
so I think we can call this:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHpH0VQU8qfFeQT4gWlZOKbD1SLExSq NCuVotZ6CeZ9ZrT82k&t=1&usg=__2dWg_687DO9murVs6_WeWvtm51c=
[ROFL1]
Pretty cool but don't try this at home. [Coffee]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZlciP6gUQ&feature=related
Pretty cool but don't try this at home. [Coffee]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZlciP6gUQ&feature=related
how? wait... how??
that is really cool. I tried reading the comments, but does anyone know why exactly this happens? I would be worried about the bullets coming back at me.
2008f450
03-21-2011, 21:25
With no deformation of the bullet? I dont buy it.
thats not right! [Sofa] but interesting
I swore we already had a thread about this. Maybe it was on SilencerTalk.
I swore we already had a thread about this. Maybe it was on SilencerTalk.
Yea we talked about it here. I thought we came to the conclusion that this was fake[Dunno]
ChunkyMonkey
03-21-2011, 21:55
Dupe...
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29185
patrick0685
03-21-2011, 22:18
interesting...
It looks fake. The spinning is way too long, much longer than the actual flight of the bullet over a long distance. The spinning is too slow vs. the actual spin rate when fired.
lead_magnet
03-22-2011, 15:28
Okay okay....wait a second. Video seems pretty real, EXCEPT ... why are the the rounds found to be spinning are allways off-camera, then the camera zooms to the bullet, found to be spinning on the ice.
Is it possible that there is somone off screen with something that winds up tops, or a modified dremmel tool or something to get the bullet spinning, then drops it on the ice and "oh, there it is"
Just an idea...never seen this before, interesting to think about.
DSB OUTDOORS
03-22-2011, 19:26
I'm not buying it!! Fake
newracer
03-23-2011, 12:41
It is not fake, a guy on ar15.com recreated it and recorded it.
Tweety Bird
03-23-2011, 13:47
Oh, boy, somebody on an internet site says the video on another internet is real; therefore, it must be real.
Post hoc, ergo, propter hoc.
I ain't buyin' it.
newracer
03-23-2011, 14:26
Read all 10 pages and decide for yourself
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1101979
Video from page 8 of that thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1gf8ck_g7k
Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 16:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1gf8ck_g7k
you can see the bullet appear on the ice at 0:55
Bottom Left.
I believe it
I have actually "Shot Myself" (Ricochet) shooting at a frozen pond with a .380 FMJ
at the proper angle, the round hits the ice, partially penetrates and is then is deflected, usually upwards and slightly to the rear.
This is one of those things you have to see for yourself to believe, so I'm not even going to try to convince anyone.
Tjohns34
05-22-2011, 14:27
Check out this craziness:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a6_1306084708
Tim
Byte Stryke
05-22-2011, 14:40
Check out this craziness:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8a6_1306084708
Tim
again?
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29185&highlight=Bullet+spinning
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36532&highlight=Bullet+spinning
jscwerve
05-22-2011, 15:14
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv228/jscwerve/jesusfacepalm-1.jpg
jerrymrc
05-22-2011, 15:28
again?
The above do not exist anymore. I put all three together. [Coffee]
funkfool
05-22-2011, 15:59
Yea we talked about it here. I thought we came to the conclusion that this was fake[Dunno]
Was on Mythbusters... CONFIRMED...
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-spinning-ice-bullet-aftershow.html
wow, there is some bizarre schtuff in this world.
Those bullets are spinning from heat. Bullet is fired from gun. Bullet traveling down barrel causes friction and heat. Not to mention burning gases but mostly from that friction. Bullet needed to blow ice off the top or bounce out of hole for this trick to work. Bullet lands on cold ice. Melts a perfect little dish to hold it in place as it rotates on it's axis. Ever put a drop of water on a hot pan and watch it bounce around. This is what is causing bullet to spin on ice. I bet they could heat the bullet up with a torch drop it on the ice and get the same damn thing. Here's your sign
Here's your sign
what's that mean?
Byte Stryke
05-23-2011, 00:49
what's that mean?
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so caplock, was your "here's your sign" directed at me?
blackford76
05-23-2011, 10:19
Yeah. I would expect a little distortion though. And maybe there was but I just couldn't see it.
Ice has been used to recover bullets for ballistics, something about how the ice melts in front of the bullet, then freezes again behind it.
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