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BushMasterBoy
10-19-2010, 17:40
Homosexuals in the military is another sign of the decline of the United States of America. Corruption of the Judiciary, incompetence of the Executive branch and a lackadaisical Congress will bring the fall of this great nation. I am glad I am not serving "active duty".
The same thing happened to the Roman Empire. History repeats itself, this time in the Western hemisphere. It is all downhill from here. What is next, a rainbow flag? Pink combat boots? I am disgusted. Will the VA have to compensate veterans for AIDS acquired during homosexual sex? I hope not.
To serve in the military is a privelege, not a guaranteed right. The future of this nation depends upon a well disciplined military. Allowing homosexual behavior will destroy moral fiber of this nations armed forces. God save America!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11580459
Homosexuals in the military is another sign of the decline of the United States of America. Corruption of the Judiciary, incompetence of the Executive branch and a lackadaisical Congress will bring the fall of this great nation. I am glad I am not serving "active duty".
The same thing happened to the Roman Empire. History repeats itself, this time in the Western hemisphere. It is all downhill from here. What is next, a rainbow flag? Pink combat boots? I am disgusted. Will the VA have to compensate veterans for AIDS acquired during homosexual sex? I hope not.
To serve in the military is a privelege, not a guaranteed right. The future of this nation depends upon a well disciplined military. Allowing homosexual behavior will destroy moral fiber of this nations armed forces. God save America!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11580459
not all fags are flamers....just saying.
KevDen2005
10-19-2010, 17:49
not all fags are flamers....just saying.
On the other hand not all flamers are fags!
Hitman 6
10-19-2010, 17:51
Glad to see you're so optimistic.
I'm no history genius, but I'd like to think that the Roman empire didnt have as many "weapon owners" as we do... Our demise will be much more fun to read about in Maxim magazine.
you do realize that homosexuals have served in the military when your father was in the military, when his father was in the military and his father was in the military.
I couldn't care less what the sexual preference of the man (or woman) in uniform fighting for our country.
Believe it or not, gay people love our country as much as you and me do. To think that homosexuals serving is "another sign of the demise of the USA" is incredibly narrow-minded (dare I say simple-minded).
I don't know if you served, but I can tell you I cared more about whether the guy next to me could be counted on when SHTF, than who he was fucking.
just my .02
when i read the title i was expecting something interesting. i wouldn't consider this the demise of the US. im sure they said this when they integrated the military after WW2.
theGinsue
10-19-2010, 18:14
...I cared more about whether the guy next to me could be counted on when SHTF, than who he was fucking.
Hmm, I see you never had a buddy/room-mate go after one of your girlfriends like I had.[Coffee]
BushMasterBoy
10-19-2010, 18:23
I refuse to match wits with the unarmed...
OneGuy67
10-19-2010, 18:40
Unfortunately, it is just one more thing in the pile.
The military is a voluntary service that doesn't have to accept anyone it doesn't want to. You don't have a right to serve. What is next? Should we stop kicking people out for being overweight? Those that cannot pass their PT tests due to being unfit? "It isn't fair" is not a valid rallying cry for the small minorities who want to control and direct public policy.
Those in the military were given until December to voice their opinions on this issue and now, why bother to do so as it doesn't appear that our leaders are interested in what the rank and file have to say about their own living and working conditions.
ronaldrwl
10-19-2010, 19:06
Glad to see you're so optimistic.
I'm no history genius, but I'd like to think that the Roman empire didnt have as many "weapon owners" as we do... Our demise will be much more fun to read about in Maxim magazine.
Damn right!
Scanker19
10-19-2010, 19:21
hurray, for the collapse of civilization!
I can never take any conversation seriously that includes any part of trying to blame the fall of Rome on homosexuality. If you think that there are any more homosexuals now, then there have always been, then you're only kidding yourself.
I guess if you don't want to find out that the dude next to you is looking forward to going home to your little brother or something, then don't ask. Sucks but it is a potential reality.
ronaldrwl
10-19-2010, 19:44
I don't agree with all of that. I think homosexuality goes up with a permissive society. You won't find much in Iran.
clublights
10-19-2010, 20:00
Oh for gods sake...........
these were the same kinda things said when they integrated the military..... in 1948....... yeah sure it took a few years ( like 5) after the order was issued... and I think that we need to take our time with this one also .. but to say it is gunna cause the end of the USA?
and you call us FOOLS ??? really ???
So where do you draw the line?
I mean there are guys ( and gals) in the military ( and else where) that line to be tied up and spanked.. or tie up and spank their partner. or maybe they like to talk dirty while goin at it .. maybe they like to be silent... maybe they like to pop in a porn DVD and go at it like they see on the TV... maybe they like to pull out the old karma sutra, and go for every position in it ... or maybe they like plain ole missionary.... maybe they like to dress up like a cop and a robber ... or maybe they keep their socks on .... maybe they are swingers and get together with other like minded folks and swap partners... or maybe they were virgins till they got married and have never had sex with anyone else...........
Whats my point here??..
that who gives a shit what they do in the bedroom. I doubt it's going to affect YOU or anyone else. pink combat boots?? really are you THAT shallow? there are standards, uniforms, traditions and the like that didn't change when they let them " uppity negro's" in and they didn't change when they let them "damn feminists" in either. are any of the things I listed going to make any of the Soldiers/Sailors/Marines ( male or female) less effective combat tools? NO. There have been people with " strange" sexual likes and dislikes since the beginning of time and it's not going to end anytime soon.
If your so worried about having a gay guy hit on you.... well now you know how probably 99% of the women you've ever hit on felt .
When in combat all that matters is how effective they are and how well they watch your back and you watch thiers. when home on base in the states... well Ole Mr. Carlin said it great..... you all go out on the town with some leave... and if you got a couple gay guys in the squad.... MORE PUSSY FOR ME.
clublights
10-19-2010, 20:02
I don't agree with all of that. I think homosexuality goes up with a permissive society. You won't find much in Iran.
is that cuz their is less of it ........ or cuz its in hiding?... since they like to imprison gays or just kill them.
When the president of Iran said that they didn't have any gay people in his country, his own people laughed out loud at him.
clublights
10-19-2010, 20:18
Oh and just to be clear ................. before anyone starts to think I'm gay ......
you can ask my ex-wife or any of my ex girlfriends... I'm not gay ... just an asshole.
Scanker19
10-19-2010, 20:42
Oh for gods sake...........
these were the same kinda things said when they integrated the military..... in 1948....... yeah sure it took a few years ( like 5) after the order was issued... and I think that we need to take our time with this one also .. but to say it is gunna cause the end of the USA?
and you call us FOOLS ??? really ???
So where do you draw the line?
I mean there are guys ( and gals) in the military ( and else where) that line to be tied up and spanked.. or tie up and spank their partner. or maybe they like to talk dirty while goin at it .. maybe they like to be silent... maybe they like to pop in a porn DVD and go at it like they see on the TV... maybe they like to pull out the old karma sutra, and go for every position in it ... or maybe they like plain ole missionary.... maybe they like to dress up like a cop and a robber ... or maybe they keep their socks on .... maybe they are swingers and get together with other like minded folks and swap partners... or maybe they were virgins till they got married and have never had sex with anyone else...........
Whats my point here??..
that who gives a shit what they do in the bedroom. I doubt it's going to affect YOU or anyone else. pink combat boots?? really are you THAT shallow? there are standards, uniforms, traditions and the like that didn't change when they let them " uppity negro's" in and they didn't change when they let them "damn feminists" in either. are any of the things I listed going to make any of the Soldiers/Sailors/Marines ( male or female) less effective combat tools? NO. There have been people with " strange" sexual likes and dislikes since the beginning of time and it's not going to end anytime soon.
If your so worried about having a gay guy hit on you.... well now you know how probably 99% of the women you've ever hit on felt .
When in combat all that matters is how effective they are and how well they watch your back and you watch thiers. when home on base in the states... well Ole Mr. Carlin said it great..... you all go out on the town with some leave... and if you got a couple gay guys in the squad.... MORE PUSSY FOR ME.
Word F**kin up! well said. Now on the to mexicans in the army.
Scanker19
10-19-2010, 20:43
psssst...... i'm a hispandex so please do flame(r)me. for the last bit of that. I was arguing with my left hand .[Flower]
Bushmasterboy
Perhaps a bit of research might be in order. I don't think anyone has EVER linked the fall of the Roman Empire with homosexuality.
I hear it all the time. The first time was from a Muslim woman in one of my political science classes in college.
<MADDOG>
10-19-2010, 22:05
To make a short argument, how many flamers are going to join the military to make a point? A few? They will be washed out in the 1st month of basic.
And to add to someone else’s post, homosexuals have been in the military for quite some time. When I was in the Army in the early-mid 90’s, I personally knew of two obvious ones, and I, nor anyone else, cared as long as they did their job. Did they get f’d with, yes...As much a rank would allow.
Fast forward 20 years, and I’m sure the current generation could give a shat less...
OneGuy67
10-19-2010, 22:06
And yet, those here advocating for and those overturning the ban aren't in the military, don't have to deal with the consequences and don't listen to those who are in the military have to say about it...
Ok need to do some research for his name but the usa might not be here if it weren't for a fag military man. I know he was from Russia and whipped our soldiers in
to shape. Gorge Washington wasn't sure of him because he thought he was a Nancy boy. but put him I'm charge because he didn't have much choice. you can guess what that meant right. Put him in charge of a fort that had guys dying like flies from disease and exposure. he turned that place around and tuned men into trained soldiers that kicked the SHIT out of the most experienced badest army the world had seen up to that time. Yea they have been serving and protecting YOU since almost day one.
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Friedrich Wilhelm Augustin Ludolf Gerhard (Frederick William Augustus Henry Ferdinand) von Steuben also referred to as the Baron von Steuben,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben#cite_note-ushistory.org-0) (September 17, 1730 – November 28, 1794) was a Prussian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia) aristocrat and military officer who served as inspector general (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_general) and Major general of the Continental Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Army) during the American Revolutionary War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War). He is credited with teaching the Continental Army the essentials of military drill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_drill) and discipline.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben#cite_note-Fleming-1) He wrote the Revolutionary War Drill Manual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_War_Drill_Manual), the book that became the standard United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) drill manual until the War of 1812 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812), and served as General George Washington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington)'s chief of staff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_staff) in the final years of the war.
Yep this was the pole smoker I was referring to. I say if they want to go fight while we sit here on our ass let'em. What do you say now?
jscwerve
10-19-2010, 23:11
When I was in I knew a few guys that were gay. They performed their duties as required and never caused any problem. This is while deployed, shipboard, I might add. I know sevceral gays and lesbians now, and they are very upstanding members of society. Believe me, they want as much to do with closed minded morons like the OP as he wants to do with them.
Believe me, there are forms of justice in the military that take care of problem service members that have absolutely nothing to do with the regular enforcement of rules. If there are people who step out of line, be it unwanted advance from a homosexual, to someone who is a total sh!tbag who cant get things together. The military polices itself pretty good.
People that believe that gays are the downfall of society are idiots. You want your freedom to spew your ingnorant bullsh!t as much as they want to have the same rights as you do. And there are many service members that are gay and fighting for your right to do so.
Im sure the society will fall because of gays, people like the general that was previously mentioned, Abe Lincoln, every other right wing senator that is in the news, etc. Get a clue.
And yet, those here advocating for and those overturning the ban aren't in the military, don't have to deal with the consequences and don't listen to those who are in the military have to say about it...
I lived with a gay guy for a year and have known him for several. I can not think of a single situation that I'd be uncomfortable with him around because he is gay. We partied it up in college and not a single suspect thing ever happened once. Our other roommates don't even know he's gay to this day.
I've not been in the military, but I'm fairly certain that sexual contact with other soldiers isn't part of any training, mission, tour, or otherwise. Feel free to correct me if there is a "Jerk Off A Dude" obstacle or something that I'm not aware of.
I don't mean to come off harsh or offensive, but I do mean to be very blunt and clear.
OgenRwot
10-19-2010, 23:35
It's funny, guys think that if they are around somebody gay that gay person is going to hit on them and make sexual advances the whole time. Sorry dude, but you're probably not that good looking. Chicks aren't giving you that kind of attention and neither are guys.
We have much larger fish to fry when it comes to "things leading to the downfall of America". This is somewhere down at the bottom with potholes and grandma drivers in the fast lane.
Byte Stryke
10-19-2010, 23:53
[ROFL1]
it's all I got
ghettodub
10-20-2010, 08:11
Is this thread serious?
http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Brad/troll.jpg
[ROFL1]
it's all I got
Is this thread serious?
http://www.amoeba.com/dynamic-images/blog/Brad/troll.jpg
Don't know, but is sure is gay.
As long as they do their job, no big deal.
I do not accept their behavoir, but I do realize it is their own business.
I'm done.
Byte Stryke
10-20-2010, 09:57
YOUR Church has no business in MY bedroom telling me who I Can screw or how.
That being said, Gays have been in the military for as long as I can remember.
you pick them out pretty quick and as long as their actions arent interfering with their jobs, what does it matter?
or do we become radical ultra conservatives and start dictating that white males shall not engage in illicit activities with females of different race or vica versa?(Circa 1960s)
or Lets head to the Bible belt where anything other than missionary sex is a crime. No more head for you.
I see Gays in the Military like I Saw women in the Military(80s). If you can do your job 7 days a week 365 a year without undue assistance, I give a rat's ass what/who you do in your off-time.
If you can do your job 7 days a week 365 a year without undue assistance, I give a rat's ass what/who you do in your off-time.And that's the bottom line. Completely agree.Or at least 364 days a year, we all need a "sick day" every now and then...
Oh and just to be clear ................. before anyone starts to think I'm gay ......
you can ask my ex-wife or any of my ex girlfriends... I'm not gay ... just an asshole.
So you admit that you don't have a significant other of the opposite sex currently? Mhmmm....
lol
Seriosuly BmB, you blame the fall of the US Empire on gays in the military? That statement in and of itself is why our country is in so much trouble. Love how you claim anyone who disagrees with your hillbilly way of thinking doesn't possess the wits to converse with you. It seems to me anyone who spouts such idiotic statements as fact must be lacking the common sense that god gave a door knob. Irony?
Go figure: " The Log Cabin Republicans" brought the case up to the Federal Judge against "Don't Ask Don't Tell." Now is that politics or what?
Making Obama look like a dithering fool, because he wanted a stay in the ruling. Because Obama wanted the ruling passed by Congress , not by a Judge and Gates wanted the Defense Dept. report by Dec. before a decision would be made. Now, that is a fairy tale!
Come Nov. Congress will have no chance in repealing D.A.D.T. for at least another 4 years; and maybe the Defense Dept. will have a "hands on" realistic report, if the Pentagon does not appeal the Court decision
I guess ya'll know why they call themselves the Log Cabin Republicans.
According to written history our Commander in Chief Abe had an a affair with a Yankee officer in the White House during the Civil War.
DD977GM2
10-20-2010, 17:30
I dont necessarily agree with the idea of being open in the military but at the same tiem...doesnt matter who u screw for most of the gay people in the military.
I served with a outstanding guy. He knew his job backwards and forwards. I was on the VBSS boarding team with him and he was one tough son of a bitch when SHTF on a few non compliant boardings.
I had no clue he was gay until the day he transfered off the ship. Goes to show you not all gay guys are full on flamers. Still to this day I would go into combat with this guy with no hesitation on his abillity to do his job, kick ass and destroy the enemy.
I dont necessarily agree with the idea of being open in the military but at the same tiem...doesnt matter who u screw for most of the gay people in the military.
I served with a outstanding guy. He knew his job backwards and forwards. I was on the VBSS boarding team with him and he was one tough son of a bitch when SHTF on a few non compliant boardings.
I had no clue he was gay until the day he transfered off the ship. Goes to show you not all gay guys are full on flamers. Still to this day I would go into combat with this guy with no hesitation on his abillity to do his job, kick ass and destroy the enemy.
This is the way I picture it too. I honestly don't see it changing anything save for the recruiter's office. Just makes it easier for them to tell the truth and still serve their country. I still don't see them broadcasting it openly at boot camp or anything as it still carries quite a bit of stigma so just because they tell the recruiter doesn't mean that they tell their drill sergeant. If a soldier is a good soldier why should it care if they're turned on by a wang or boobs? Sexual preference shouldn't have any bearing on if a man can fight or follow orders or not. Maybe I'm over simplifying it but I don't see the military or it's members changing drastically within next week as a result.
On the other hand not all flamers are fags!
hah! good retort =]
KevDen2005
10-21-2010, 00:16
I dont necessarily agree with the idea of being open in the military but at the same tiem...doesnt matter who u screw for most of the gay people in the military.
I served with a outstanding guy. He knew his job backwards and forwards. I was on the VBSS boarding team with him and he was one tough son of a bitch when SHTF on a few non compliant boardings.
I had no clue he was gay until the day he transfered off the ship. Goes to show you not all gay guys are full on flamers. Still to this day I would go into combat with this guy with no hesitation on his abillity to do his job, kick ass and destroy the enemy.
I also don't agree with being openly straight. I think that sexual orientation should have nothing to do with the job. Relationships and "love" and all that crap is for off duty hours anyway. The rest of the time it should be one single fighting unit that outsiders are incapable of being able to notice the difference in a single person.
KevDen2005
10-21-2010, 00:17
I dont necessarily agree with the idea of being open in the military but at the same tiem...doesnt matter who u screw for most of the gay people in the military.
I served with a outstanding guy. He knew his job backwards and forwards. I was on the VBSS boarding team with him and he was one tough son of a bitch when SHTF on a few non compliant boardings.
I had no clue he was gay until the day he transfered off the ship. Goes to show you not all gay guys are full on flamers. Still to this day I would go into combat with this guy with no hesitation on his abillity to do his job, kick ass and destroy the enemy.
In point of fact I am agreeing with you not attacking you, after I read my post it sounded as if I was attacking you
KevDen2005
10-21-2010, 00:18
hah! good retort =]
I am a veteran and will admit I don't care one way or the other. I don't think that we have a right to tell Americans what two consenting adults can or can not do behind closed doors, as long as it is behind closed doors
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