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Inbetween
10-26-2010, 19:35
I went to the last Tanner show and saw a complete AR lower called Plum Crazy and wanted to do some research before buying and now am ready to buy....but WHERE ?
Does anyone know who might be selling these in the Front Range area ?
patrick0685
10-26-2010, 20:09
right i might be interested in them as well, so if anyone knows i would love to know too[Beer]
monganian
10-26-2010, 20:52
I think you should buy one and let me know how it goes [Tooth]
enthusiast
10-26-2010, 21:52
I ordered one. I tried to mount it to my S&W upper and could not get it to fully close.
It was late and I did not want to mess with it but it looks like there just needs to be a little filing to make it fit.
HBARleatherneck
10-27-2010, 05:40
i have had that problem with RRA uppers and superior lowers. it happens. a little carefull filing and it will be fine.
Inbetween
10-27-2010, 20:36
I am ready to buy, but prefer local not into ordering it and paying a FFL fee. But for the life of Me can't find anybody in this big city that stocks them !!!
Everything I've heard is for the most part positive......[AR15]
enthusiast
10-27-2010, 21:27
R.A.R Guns (http://www.rarguns.com/)
They are a supporter of the forum too. :)
patrick0685
10-27-2010, 23:39
R.A.R Guns (http://www.rarguns.com/)
They are a supporter of the forum too. :)
looked at there site, didnt find them : (
enthusiast
10-27-2010, 23:40
Call them.
patrick0685
10-28-2010, 23:43
Call them.
PM'd him, said he will be a dealer and post prices to us fine folks here first!!![Beer]
Ranger353
10-29-2010, 07:43
PM'd him, said he will be a dealer and post prices to us fine folks here first!!![Beer]
Nice Avatar!
patrick0685
10-29-2010, 10:30
Nice Avatar!
thanks!!!
patrick0685
11-02-2010, 10:54
R.A.R. now a dealer of them! trying to get a member deal working
sagebrush99
11-25-2010, 12:22
I LOOKED AT THEIR SITE, THE ONLY THING THEY SELL ARE OPG'S .. OTHER PEOPLES GUNS... AND T SHIRTS... THEIR INVENTORY AND PARTS
PAGE IS COMPLETLY EMPTY.. THEY HAVE SECTIONS FOR UPPERS LOWERS BARRELS PARTS ECT..
AND THEIRS NOTHING THERE BUT BLANK PAGES... GUESS ILL HAVE TO ORDER PARTS SOMEPLACE ELSE...
[BooHoo]
Or heres an idea call him, ever think that maybe it is a new site still being developed? So eager to play [BooHoo], quit crying support a local business/economy.
I LOOKED AT THEIR SITE, THE ONLY THING THEY SELL ARE OPG'S .. OTHER PEOPLES GUNS... AND T SHIRTS... THEIR INVENTORY AND PARTS
PAGE IS COMPLETLY EMPTY.. THEY HAVE SECTIONS FOR UPPERS LOWERS BARRELS PARTS ECT..
AND THEIRS NOTHING THERE BUT BLANK PAGES... GUESS ILL HAVE TO ORDER PARTS SOMEPLACE ELSE...
[BooHoo]
DeusExMachina
11-25-2010, 17:49
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r191/Renschler/BGFSale3.jpg
DeusExMachina
11-26-2010, 00:02
I am disappointed and thinking that is only local.
patrick0685
11-27-2010, 20:45
picked my two up today! with the accu-trigger you can put the gun on safety all the time though
enthusiast
11-27-2010, 21:21
What uppers are you going to use?
patrick0685
11-27-2010, 21:54
What uppers are you going to use?
not sure yet, im open to suggestions [Beer]
DeusExMachina
11-27-2010, 22:00
Sell me one. :D
Del-ton had a great sale today you might be able to still get in on!
patrick0685
11-27-2010, 22:25
Sell me one. :D
haha, im sure that you guys can find enough people to get another order together.
theGinsue
11-28-2010, 15:57
Aren't the Plum Crazy lowers polymer versus aluminum?
I'm also curious what uppers you all plan to use.
DeusExMachina
11-28-2010, 16:19
Yes. And all the intervals (except for springs) are polymer also.
Works for Glock. :)
llostwolf
11-28-2010, 19:10
Picked up plum crazy yesterday. seems like a decent product. I've got a del-ton lightweight mid-length on order. Should be a couple weeks before I get to try it out.
I'm going to build a light weight rifle with a pencil barrel and a lightweight FF for my daughter. She only weighs like 90 lbs and has trouble with my AR.
kidicarus13
12-02-2010, 22:01
Subscribed for reviews.
llostwolf
12-08-2010, 21:43
I used mine with a del-ton lightweight flat top mid length. It fits nice and tight no gaps and looks pretty clean. Just need to find some time to shoot it.
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/llostwolf1/ar017.jpg
http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/llostwolf1/ar011.jpg
Patriot Cowboy
12-19-2010, 11:02
I have used a PC lower for about 4 months now, great fit and I bought it local from Wildfire Mercantile in Falcon, CO. They are a great mom and pops shop. I ordered my upper from dynamicarmanment.com for a reasonable price and it was received 4 days after order, the combo is great.
Anyone else shot their ar with this lower?
Want some more opinions before i buy
Javelinadave
12-29-2010, 20:49
I'm a huge fan of the Cav Arms polymer lower. I have only handled a Plum Crazy lower once and did not shoot it. My fear is that it will wear out over time. Comparing the plastics wall thickness of the Cav Arms lower, a Glock pistol and a Plum Crazy lower it looks like the PC is way thinner. I was of the opinion that they made a mold of a metal AR lower and then started molding plastic ones. I could be completely wrong but I'm going to stick with my Cav Arms lower for my lightweight carbine.
DeusExMachina
12-29-2010, 21:23
It is thicker than forged lowers. And it is not a mold...it is a pretty different shape.
llostwolf
12-29-2010, 23:28
so far I'm impressed with mine. I've only shot a couple boxes through but i didn't have any issues at all.
jscwerve
12-29-2010, 23:44
There is a guy on another forum I am on running a .50bmg upper on one. Not too much info yet though. I know he had to replace the trigger goup and add heavier springs. No kaboom though.
Also Wildfire in Falcon sells them, I was there wednesday and he had a bunch of complete lowers.
DeusExMachina
01-30-2011, 22:56
I bought another one I'm going to make into a pistol. Again from Straight Shooters, based in Castle Rock at the Tanner show. Great guys.
I've tested a few of them. The biggest problem I have found is when you pull the rear detach pin, it sometimes pulls all the way out. This is a problem but it can be fixed by replacing the plastic pins with a metal one.
DeusExMachina
01-31-2011, 00:17
I haven't had a problem on either of mine. That has happened on all the ones you tested?
My only issue with them so far is PMags don't drop free. But about 10 minutes with a file by Rob at Bower's fixed that. Kind of nice that they're polymer because fixing that in an aluminum lower is harder.
No it hasn't. I've tested 5 of them and it happened twice. The first time I figured it wasn't lined up correctly but it happened again today with one I know was lined up right. Like I said, it's not a big deal. I would want metal pins anyway. As small as they are, they won't add any weight.
DeusExMachina
01-31-2011, 00:26
No it hasn't. I've tested 5 of them and it happened twice. The first time I figured it wasn't lined up correctly but it happened again today with one I know was lined up right. Like I said, it's not a big deal. I would want metal pins anyway. As small as they are, they won't add any weight.
Yeah I will probably be upgrading to metal pins anyway.
Watermagnet
02-04-2011, 20:17
+3 on metal pins...Like the fit on my RRA upper though!
I now have 2 rifles with PCL lowers and no problems so far. I did change the pins. I really dig the trigger.
John Jett
02-05-2011, 19:47
...to want to let upper close on it.
I just bought one of these in early December and had the same problem with two different uppers. Emailed Plum Crazy with cc to dealer I bought it from. Plum Crazy promptly emailed back with a referal to a link on their web site that addressed this very problem, and the dealer called me on the phone the same day. Great service from both! Anyway, just turned out they recommended a good "whack" on the upper to get it to go in and that worked out fine. Pardon me if I am reluctent to force two precision items together that at first don't seem to want to fit together. I suggested they bevel the top edges of the protusions in the lower where the uppers locking lug inserts and maybe they wouldn't get any more questions about this. Have not fired it yet but have heard almost universal positive things from those that have.
Regards to all.
John.
I went shooting and this thing exploded on me. I will post pictures later. The lower broke into two pieces while I was shooting it. I thought the receiver exploded, but it was the lower. I had heard about this once before and I didn't believe it due to the amount of damage. I've probably shot _______ rounds over 35 years and never had anything close to this happening. The way they build their buffer tube, theres a thin sleeve inside and the buffer got caught on it and it ripped off the back of the gun, All I can say is this is a very unsafe product other than using it for a dedicated .22.
DeusExMachina
02-05-2011, 22:54
Pictures? Let us know what Plum Crazy says.
patrick0685
02-05-2011, 23:57
Pictures? Let us know what Plum Crazy says.
+1, hope everyone was alright
DeusExMachina
02-06-2011, 00:00
I checked the buffer tubes on both my PCs and they're smooth inside, nothing to catch. The one that has been fired had some rub marks where the spring contacted the inside of the tube, so I greased the spring up.
I wonder if you're referencing the one failure I saw on Arfcom. The guy's gas key impacted the front of the receiver extension (you could see an impact) and after enough times the receiver extension split at the seam. Plum Crazy replaced it even though it was the upper's fault.
Not saying your upper did this, but thats the only failure I've heard of like this.
This was caused by the buffer binding up and having no place to go. It just ripped 2" of the lower off. Pictures in the morning.
patrick0685
02-09-2011, 11:38
Any update, what did plum crazy do?
I stripped it and used some of the parts on another test rifle. It's not worth my time to deal with a return just to get the same thing back.
StagLefty
02-09-2011, 19:21
Heres the picture
I'm missing something ?????
DeusExMachina
02-09-2011, 19:24
Seems like a waste of a lower if it failed for a reason due to it's construction or design.
Also, no picture
Thought I could not see it because I was on my phone. That really sucks
I'll try again.
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy324/recon013/DSCN0312.jpg
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy324/recon013/DSCN0311.jpg
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy324/recon013/DSCN0310.jpg
http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy324/recon013/DSCN0309.jpg
It may have been a fluke but in almost 30 years with metal lowers this has never happened to me.
DeusExMachina
02-09-2011, 21:41
Got a picture of where it caught the buffer tube? I want to make sure mine isn't like that.
No, I already stripped it. It wasn't the buffer tubes fault. I would change the buffer. I think that was the problem. It was a piston gun which may have had something to do with it. I used the buffer tube in another rifle with no problem but I won't use the buffer. It seems kinda crappy.
DeusExMachina
02-09-2011, 22:16
One of mine came with a Tapco buffer. Seemed kind of odd.
kidicarus13
02-09-2011, 22:18
Ouch! Those pics scream low quality.
Like I said, I thought the receiver exploded. I had just let my wife shoot it a couple minutes before.
Birddog1911
02-10-2011, 07:45
With your permision RAR, I'd like to copy those pics and show them to newbies on other sites when they think that they want one of those lowers.
Birddog1911
02-12-2011, 18:19
Funny how many PC lowers I saw at the beef jerky show today. One guy even put a Spikes M4gery upper on one, and wanted $800. I just shook my head and walked away.
DeusExMachina
02-12-2011, 18:27
Put another 140 rounds in mine today. Still in one piece.
I have a bushy carbon 15, and I hope like hell, I don't have shit like that happen, that is super scary!
Holy Cow, lucky no one got hurt.
DeusExMachina
02-18-2011, 16:06
So what piston upper was this?
Great-Kazoo
02-18-2011, 18:28
hey if some one wanted to off their PC lower i iould purchase it and sign any release regarding use on certain uppers. i have a project sitting around in my pharma addled cortex that would make a great door stop.
It was a TWS piston conversion system. They work pretty good.
TDYRanger
02-22-2011, 19:10
dude that lower looks like it would shit the bed on a airsoft.
DeusExMachina
02-22-2011, 19:14
How do you figure? It's a lower...
There are lots of people shooting 50bmg off them.
Should be pointing fingers at the upper as that's what caused it.
How do you figure? It's a lower...
There are lots of people shooting 50bmg off them.
Should be pointing fingers at the upper as that's what caused it.
How do you figure? I have used that upper on 2 other lowers and never even got a jam. I would like to hear your theory on this.
The best I can tell it was caused by the buffer tube. They fit a little funky where they connect to the lower. The buffer itself is a little funky as well. It could have been either or a combination of both.
DeusExMachina
02-23-2011, 10:17
If you don't know what carrier tilt is, I don't really want to waste the time explaining it. Aluminum receivers are stressed/damaged from it, and being polymer its going to have less of a tolerance for forces it is not designed to take.
I'm very experienced with carrier tilt. That was not an issue here. I'm not saying that all PCL lowers are bad. I just posted my experience with one and I will not use them again based on this experience. Even if there was some carrier tilt, it should not break the receiver in half. I will choose to only use aluminum receivers in the future. If you want to use a polymer lower, have at it.
The folks over at PCL called me because they heard about this thread. Beth was very nice and offered to replace the lower for free. She said it should have not failed under any conditions and wants me to work with their tech guy to determine what happened. She said carrier tilt should not cause this. I would say the customer service was great and hopefully this is an isolated incident. I will let you guys know what I find out.
patrick0685
02-23-2011, 13:59
wow...they called you...thats pretty impressive customer service
Guess they want a good name.
Guess they want a good name.
Good cover service.[Tooth]
I gotta say, I felt they were sincere. They don't want this to happen again and they are looking to correct any problem that may exist.
DeusExMachina
02-25-2011, 13:18
That's awesome. I hope they can pinpoint a cause and let you know, and correct anything along the way. I believe in the product and their CS has been great from what I hear.
Watermagnet
02-25-2011, 16:58
Did they say whether this was an isolated incident or not? I'm not sure they would disclose that either way, but...Sounds like their CS is trying to do the right thing at least.
I gotta say, I felt they were sincere. They don't want this to happen again and they are looking to correct any problem that may exist.
Sure they don't want this to happen again in today's litigious world as it could be the end of a products lifecycle.
I have been considering one of these for a M4orgery upper. I e mailed them asking for dealer locations on the Western Slope, and Beth replied within 20 minutes. I replied asking questions and mentioned this thread, and again, she was very responsive. There are no dealers over here, but they're raising the prices on them and she said she would sell me one at the lower price. But the more I look around online, the more I hear of them breaking or cracking. I probably wouldn't use it to the point of breaking, but still I think I'll wait for a stripped lower to come up for sale. They do get a A+ for CS though.
Got mine mounted to a jse upper. Have not shot it yet. Complete I got $ 520 into it no sights yet. We will see how it holds up.
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