View Full Version : Flat? Bent? 80%? 100%?
It's all so confusing!!!!!
Well it's not really but I thought I should throw my questions out to the collective knowledge of the local AK builders and see what comes up.
Better brains then mine!
I have just picked up a couple Romy G parts kits. I'll be needing a couple of receivers to put these together.
The question's are:
What receivers? Flat, bent 80% or complete?
Screws or rivets.
I have none of the specific tools to build AK's but I do have a Bridgeport mill (I'm a machinist) A lathe, access to a press, lotsa drills and taps etc. I have a Tig welder at work.
Keep in mind that I will be likely be building only these two kits (unless of course the builder bug hits me hard)
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
68Charger
10-27-2010, 15:32
To avoid having to chase down someone with a flat bender & spot welder, you could go 100%: http://akreceivers.com/receivers.htm
$40ea + ffl fees, not that much more expensive than bending flats at that price...
if you want to bend your own, I've used http://www.ak-builder.com/index.php flats, they work very well, and save time over the Tapco flats- you can buy rivet kits, center support parts, and compliance parts you'll need from there as well (if you find any industry partners that carry AK parts, buy from them) Also, I know Bettendorf on this site had bulk rivets, too (I bought some kits from him)
screws or rivets?
the only reason to do a screw build is so you can take it apart later- it's more work than riveting, not as durable, and doesn't look right- but if you want the ability to take it apart, makes sense... and you could always do rivets later.
I've got a set of bolt cutters modified for crushing the front rivets, and a couple bolts & plates cut with a 9/32" ball mill to do the long rivets in the back, borrowed someone else's trigger jig, but could build one easily with the 9/32" ball mill (also have a 3/8" ball for starting rivets, 9/32" is for finishing)
many of the specific tools can be improvised (specialized tools get expensive if you're only building a couple, but can be sold after you're done, too)
I know a couple people that have some of the tools that would probably be interested in some lathe work in return...
I don't know where you're located, let me know if you need any help... I've built 2 for myself, and had numerous others go through my garage, there are things that are learned by seeing it, and others only by trying/doing (right pressure to crush a rivet, etc) I'm gathering parts to build a .223 AK74 at the moment, and would like to do some other calibers, too...
Gahh! I need to modify my profile. I'm in Longmont.
I hear you on how they look, the rivets are the way for authenticity, of course if I chosee to sell one down the line screw would be easier to "De-mil" plus I wouldn't have to pull the barrel for screws.
It's back and forth. I've also seen a nice welded kit, it's very wierd to see an AK with a truely streamlined receiver! Nicely done just wierd.
Lathe work, I'm all about sharing skilz and tools.
Great-Kazoo
10-28-2010, 21:05
Gahh! I need to modify my profile. I'm in Longmont.
Lathe work, I'm all about sharing skilz and tools.
we might be able to do a deal. i'm picking up a lathe this weekend, hopefully and considering holding another AK build at my place 5-6 exits north of you. i have the press and other items, another member literally down the road i think still has other items for builds.
jreifsch80
10-28-2010, 22:28
Hey there I have all the tooling needed press and even a modified 220 electric spot welder that's welded about 20 rail sets at various build parties ;) I live in west greeley and I'd be willing to show you the ropes (I'm not an expert but have a decent amount of stamped akm experience) I'm not as regular here but I'm very active on some of the more ak oriented boards 68charger can vouch that I'm a real person and not some weirdo lol anyway let me know if you want some help I have a friend from gunco that wants to build a polish underfolder with me the first sat in november so maybe there could be a mini build party. If it were me I advise toward ak-builder receiver flats but nodaks are very nice 100% receivers too I built my first ak a romy g on a tapco and I have no problem with tapco flats they just need slight massaging my opinion for an easy 2 builds is go with the ak-builder romy flats and rivet sets.
Wow! Volunteers!
That's very cool. I was talking with a friend of mine that had planned on doing a build but decieded to have his kit sent down south for completion, He gave me two flats and a rivet kit (he figured he was going to screw up one flat) I have two kits coming, I'll need to get them de-mil'ed them we can put together a build party?
There's a show this weekend maybe I'll go pick up some complience parts there.
68Charger
10-29-2010, 08:02
I contacted jreifsch80 on the other board where he's much more active when I saw you were in Longmont- seems like there's lots of AK interest North of Denver, but not much down this way... I didn't want to volunteer him, but knew he would himself- that's the kind of guy he is...
I have enough ak74 parts to get started on my .223 build (front trunnion, bent flat w/ rails, rear trunnion), just need some time free to work on it..
jreifsch80
10-29-2010, 12:13
Ah a show this weekend? Is it a tanner show? I should go I have some play fund money I need to look for some stuff lol. Oh and if you make tooling a 5/16 ball end cutter makes more authentic rivets heads over a 9/32.
Charger, are you finally going to work on your .223v you should make a wieger clone ;) by the way next time we get together I need to get that yugo front trunnion back, I've had the itch to go forward with my yugo .308 build.
I'm up for a build party though I don't have much room at my place for too many people right now, though november I'm getting my new shop in eaton then I'd have lots of room to host a build party. I need to finally build a 74 myself, I think I might get a wieger gas block and make an east german clone just can't decide if I want to go with 5.45 or .223 or maybe scrap both those ideas and go with a yugo rpk barrel profile and build a big heavy barrel .223, some sort of varmit ak lol (felt weird typing those two words together) for everyone that thinks aks are inacurate they aren't, they just take a little more attention to make them into tack drivers. I trued the locking lugs on my m76 and that along with its heavier barrel profile allows me do make ragged hole groups with it ;) (luck might have been part of the groupings too haha)
The Show's at the Budwieser event center, I don't know if it's a tanner or not?
5/16" end mill's, how many do you need? Carbide of course.
I'm just slipping over to the Dark Side from the AR world.. I'm having fun just looking at all the Variables a guy could build!
My build timing has a lot to do with free time and getting the kit's seperated from their rivets and pin's, plus buying complience parts and such.
One of the kits I'm getting is supposed to be "not so pretty" cosmetically, I kind of have the itch to build it into an Afghani/Paki tribal looking gun like several I've seen, brass tacks and dangley stuff, reminds of what the American Indian did to their captured/trade guns... The other I will build "pretty"
jreifsch80
10-29-2010, 18:36
Ah the ranch I think I'll pop over there tomorrow.
Demilling isn't too bad just takes a little bit of time a battle field pick up or afgani type build would look pretty cool or if you want aks are easy to re-oxide finish. Then there's always paint lol the sky is the limit. I got a couple of those green mountain barrel blanks so I wouldn't mind turning an akm pattern barrel that's 20 inches and make a dmr type rifle, a buddy has a 7.62x39 reamer I can barrow.
Anyway I need to get started on my yugo milled receiver reweld ;) let me know if you want to get together at the gun show tomorrow to talk aks a little
Gunoholic
10-30-2010, 09:25
All this talk about building really makes me want to get a kit. Next time there's a build party I'd love to go. Thats if Im invited lol.
Didn't make it to the show today.. Too much going on here at home, I am going to try and make it tomorrow though.
Ah the ranch I think I'll pop over there tomorrow.
Demilling isn't too bad just takes a little bit of time a battle field pick up or afgani type build would look pretty cool or if you want aks are easy to re-oxide finish. Then there's always paint lol the sky is the limit. I got a couple of those green mountain barrel blanks so I wouldn't mind turning an akm pattern barrel that's 20 inches and make a dmr type rifle, a buddy has a 7.62x39 reamer I can barrow.
Anyway I need to get started on my yugo milled receiver reweld ;) let me know if you want to get together at the gun show tomorrow to talk aks a little
jreifsch80
10-31-2010, 01:30
So that budweisser events center gun show is so much better than the last one I went to a little over a year ago, there's some of the parts venders that are always at the tanner show, in fact one of the guys has lots of soviet svd mag pouches. I might have to get one next time for my m76. I wasn't really looking for anything but then I saw a pair of super minty cz-52's so the price was fair and I had to jump on the black parked one, upen disassembly the bore and the rest of the pistol looks darn near unfired and came with it's holster and cleaning rod so I was pleased with my purchase. Now I just need to get a cz-82 to keep him company ;)
Anyway do your flats have the front trunnion rivet holes drill already? If not I'll barrow my buddies ak-builder receiver drilling fixture for the build party ;) also anyone have the ability to host the build party? I can myself if it's like me and two other people but otherwise things will be cramped for the time being untill I settle into my new shop. I have a 12 harbor freight press I can bring, modified electric spot welder for lower railsand rivet pressing jigs/tools. Let me know what you guys want to do and when would work well for everyone?
If anyone is looking for kits centerfire still has their 99 dollar un-issued romy g's without barrels and many places have american barrels for reasonable. If anyone is looking to do a virgin barrel build I can barrow a set of head space guages in 7.62x39 if needed.
I could host, I have the space, no press or spot welder, I do have a mill and a lathe, mig welder. If we wanted to put this together and some one needed to play on the mill I should get some decent cutters, mine are getting pretty beat.
I'll look at the schedule and see about a free day.
jreifsch80
10-31-2010, 10:48
That's cool the good thing about the harbor freight press is it works ok..... And its mobile. I could bring it over along with my other stuff. As far as your mill maybe I'll have to finally buy an 80% ar .308 receiver ;)
Gunoholic
10-31-2010, 11:07
jreifsch80- Have you purchased one of the centerfire 99 dollar kits? I just looked them up, but couldnt find where it said they were unissued? Im debating on that kit or an ak74 kit from arms of america. One question though... They offer a kit with the new chrome lined barrel completely assembled and bore sighted. Does anyone think it would be worth the extra $50???
jreifsch80
10-31-2010, 11:16
Yeah I have one of the 99 dollar cfs romy kits and its an unissued infired kit, its very nice for 100 bucks. I don't know if its worth it for the pinned barrel for 50 extra bucks. A friend of mine told me those apex 210 dollar 74 kits that come with a non-chrome us barrel are nice kits and totally worth it for 210. Chrome lining would be nice but I clean my rifles after I shoot them anyway so I don't care that much about chrome lining. Also I could get my hands on 74 headspace gauges too if needed.
OneGuy67
10-31-2010, 14:58
Another build party?! Woo hoo!
Crap.... I'm gonna have to clean!
I'm good in the next week or two.
If jreifsch80 and others are willing to bring their tools I will provide a place. Perhaps it's more central for the guys down south too, being in Longmont.
Another build party?! Woo hoo!
jreifsch80
10-31-2010, 15:58
I'll bring my tools along with some bulk rivets if anyone needs any. I guess I better order some flats for my builds lol maybe I should finaly order my cetme flat ;)
Great-Kazoo
10-31-2010, 17:15
i can host again and have room for 1/2 doz. same as last time if interested. I have a 12T press (Not HF) so it may not work for some of the riveting. With mine and a HF one we could rock out faster than last time. If it was Held here revor could show me somethings on my newest toy, a JET 12x36 lathe!.
jreifsch80
10-31-2010, 18:01
Oooohh should I bring my 30 dollar green mountain barrel blanks? ;) one of these days I want to turn an akm pattern barrel but longer foward of the gas block like 20 inch total length. How many bending jigs should I bring? I can get 2 if needed
new lathe, build ak's and I don't have to clean.. YAAAAAy!!!!!
Jim what sort of tooling do you have for your lathe? I'd be happy to show you around the block with some quick tips, back in the day I would turn threads and ream chambers on octagon barrels for match rifles, a loong time ago....
I have rivet bolt cutters and the center support riveting thingy and go/no go in 7.62 x39 and x54r I can bring.
The lathe is a sexy one for sure.
jreifsch80
11-01-2010, 01:33
Hey revor, I'll let you use my spot welder and any other ak tools anytime you want if you help me turn a 20 inch akm barrel ;) so want me to bring my buddies 7.62x39 reamer?
We could certainly give the 20" barrel a go, I would need to see what tooling Jim has first, a good sharp cemented carbide cutter should be all we need, he has a steady rest and we'll need some sort of dial indicator which I can bring. Reaming the chmber is simple so long as the lathe will go slow enough. Lathe training and AK building, sounds like fun!
jreifsch80
11-01-2010, 10:43
Sounds nice revor it would be fun to try. By the way anyone know where I could find a 7.62x25 reamer? I've looked all over the place and just found them for rent, I have all the parts needed for a 7.62x25 blowback ak but need to figure out what to do for a barrel. My machinist buddy who will lend me the x39 reamer has some enfield take off barrels and was going to teach me lathe work on his lathe someday for my x25 blowback.
Gunoholic
11-01-2010, 18:07
Well I wish I could say I could bring a bunch of useful tools...How about some extra lunch or pizza money? I just ordered an bulgarian ak74 kit, akbuilder flat and a few additional parts. Im stoked!
jreifsch80
11-01-2010, 19:01
That sounds nice gunoholic, I want one of those 74s one of these days. Hey does anyone have a parkerizing setup we could all use? If not I saw stainless mud pans at harbor freight also I can get manganese or zinc from my work that might work ;)
Great-Kazoo
11-01-2010, 19:11
That sounds nice gunoholic, I want one of those 74s one of these days. Hey does anyone have a parkerizing setup we could all use? If not I saw stainless mud pans at harbor freight also I can get manganese or zinc from my work that might work ;)
If it is going to be held at my house, trying to park and builds with 2 presses, a lathe and bodies would make it kind of tight.
BTW: there is someone bringing over their HF press? Mine is an older US made one with a different dia. rod than the HF ones.
If it is going to be held at my house, trying to park and builds with 2 presses, a lathe and bodies would make it kind of tight.
BTW: there is someone bringing over their HF press? Mine is an older US made one with a different dia. rod than the HF ones.
Uh I can if you want.
I'm down for a build party. I got some tooling and expertise. Plinker jig, front rivet jig. I have a flat bending jig for the tapco flats but does anyone have a the new AK builder jig? I want to bend up some of his flats cause I've heard they're nice.
By the way I down the alley from Jim so I can run back and get special tooling also.
Great-Kazoo
11-02-2010, 04:52
Revor pm's sent to ya.
OneGuy67
11-02-2010, 06:58
Since the last build party, I've bought some more jigs and tools and such. Depending upon when this is going to happen, I can bring what is needed that I have.
Looks like my next "free" weekend is the 13th-14th of November.
Is that to soon to put together a party?
Be sure to get out and Vote if you haven't done so already!
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 10:08
One of the jigs I'm bringing is a milled bending jig just like ak builders new one that a friend made just not sure if it has the same type of alignment pins like curtis' jig but it works great the other one I can bring is a 555th jig on steroids lol made from half inch angle iron. The front riveter I'm bringing my buddy made too it is squeezed by a press to form rivets and works very very well I'll bring a long rivet jig too and my harbor freight 12 ton press and I'll bring my 220 electric spot welder too, it works very well lately I've been experimenting with setting rivets with a modified air hammer, works very well but I need to clean up the die with a carbide 5/16 ball end mill. Anyone have one I could use? Oh also I'll bring a trigger gaurd rivet jig. The 12th or whatever works for me too
I've got a nice 5/16" ball end mill.
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 12:17
Cool I'll bring my improvised air hammer with a proper rivet head cup it looks like it would form nice combloc factory looking rivet heads by the way jim do you have a compressor that can run airtools?
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 12:41
Jim, revor, pm's sent to you guys
Since the compressor has been brought up, I have a sand blasting cabinet I could bring if needed.
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 18:10
Since the compressor has been brought up, I have a sand blasting cabinet I could bring if needed.
My portable compressor is 25 gallon so your cabinet would work well with it ;) jim, even if there's no room for parking would there be room for wulf's blasting cabinet?
Great-Kazoo
11-02-2010, 20:04
OK, here's the deal... the 13th works for me. HOWEVER due to prior commitments i can do a 8-2:30. if you want in LMK. priority will be given to those the greatest distance from here. those local will have a chance if projects not completed to finish up anytime you're in the 'hood.
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 20:38
I'm in for sure like I told you earlier I don't have anything pressing to build but I'm always fiddling around on something. I'll bring my blanks in case there's free time on the lathe ;) and I'll bring my trading fodder parts as every build party I've been to seems to be like a swap meet too haha. Anyway it wil be good to meet more guys in the build hobby that live nearby. Oh by the way anyone planing to build on undrilled ak builder flats? If so I'll bring my buddies ak builder trunnion rivet drilling jig.
OneGuy67
11-02-2010, 20:47
Jim, is this open invitation or are you limiting the invite list?
I'm in for sure like I told you earlier I don't have anything pressing to build but I'm always fiddling around on something. I'll bring my blanks in case there's free time on the lathe ;) and I'll bring my trading fodder parts as every build party I've been to seems to be like a swap meet too haha. Anyway it wil be good to meet more guys in the build hobby that live nearby. Oh by the way anyone planing to build on undrilled ak builder flats? If so I'll bring my buddies ak builder trunnion rivet drilling jig.
Do you have any AK builder flats with the prebent rails that you want to part with? I'm also looking for Yugo m70 rear trunnion and rear stock parts.
OneGuy67
11-02-2010, 21:47
Hey Bryan, we going to have the spot welder available? I need to weld a few rails into those two receivers I pressed last time.
Oh I forgot to mention that you need to make sure there is no grease, oil, or dirt in between the rails and the reciever. If there is you need to clean it out good.
OneGuy67
11-02-2010, 22:29
Roger! I tried to heat treat my holes, but I don't think I got them hot enough. May need to re-do them.
jreifsch80
11-02-2010, 23:18
I'll be bringing my spot welder too so I think we'll have plenty of tooling to go around but the more the merrier. I don't have any ak builder flats at the moment but if you'd like me to have him send something for you while I order my polish uf (if he has one) then I can. The only flat I have at the moment is an old tapco yugo underfolder. What yugo parts are you looking for? Fixed stock or underfolder?
I'll be bringing my spot welder too so I think we'll have plenty of tooling to go around but the more the merrier. I don't have any ak builder flats at the moment but if you'd like me to have him send something for you while I order my polish uf (if he has one) then I can. The only flat I have at the moment is an old tapco yugo underfolder. What yugo parts are you looking for? Fixed stock or underfolder?
Looking for the fixed stock rear trunnion and rear parts.
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 00:35
Looking for the fixed stock rear trunnion and rear parts.
You can get m72 rear trunnions from apex gun parts right now for 30 the only difference is it doesn't have the milled hole for the top cover lock pin they might also have the long stock bolt as well, as far as the buttstock I have been also keeping my eye out for one too sometimes they come up for sale on the forums especially the ak forum or ocasionaly on gunbroker but they're usually over priced and in rough condition, I'll probably but the bullet and order a tabuk stock from ironwood. If you go with the m72 rpk rear trunnion and must have your lock pin then I believe there's measurements somewhere (maybe on gunco) of how to mod the rpk trunnion into an m70 and I have a lock pin that can be used to make a copy (someday I'll finally build my tabuk lol)
Great-Kazoo
11-03-2010, 03:29
Jim, is this open invitation or are you limiting the invite list?
it's open, however the valet parking is filled up. Looks like it will be on street parking for you.
I do have a moderate amount, depending on attendance. If the weather turns shitty it could get cramped with the doors closed.
PLEASE limit the spicey food the night before if it looks like snow!
You can get m72 rear trunnions from apex gun parts right now for 30 the only difference is it doesn't have the milled hole for the top cover lock pin they might also have the long stock bolt as well, as far as the buttstock I have been also keeping my eye out for one too sometimes they come up for sale on the forums especially the ak forum or ocasionaly on gunbroker but they're usually over priced and in rough condition, I'll probably but the bullet and order a tabuk stock from ironwood. If you go with the m72 rpk rear trunnion and must have your lock pin then I believe there's measurements somewhere (maybe on gunco) of how to mod the rpk trunnion into an m70 and I have a lock pin that can be used to make a copy (someday I'll finally build my tabuk lol)
Well I have a buttstock made out of cherry wood which looks awesome. Just need the rear trunnion. I might use that m72 trunnion. I don't have the lock pin and spring so I can do with out that.
I know a guy that hand makes the m70 stocks out of cherry and does a pretty good job. I can dig up his contact info if you like?
Gunoholic
11-03-2010, 07:07
I'm in for sure like I told you earlier I don't have anything pressing to build but I'm always fiddling around on something. I'll bring my blanks in case there's free time on the lathe ;) and I'll bring my trading fodder parts as every build party I've been to seems to be like a swap meet too haha. Anyway it wil be good to meet more guys in the build hobby that live nearby. Oh by the way anyone planing to build on undrilled ak builder flats? If so I'll bring my buddies ak builder trunnion rivet drilling jig.
I havent got my ak-builder flat but it looks like Ill need to drill the trunnion holes. That jig would be great. Is anyone bringing a 5mm and a 7mm reamer? or is that an obvious "yes"?
It looks like there's gonna be a party.
We should pick a date and see who is up for it, then we can figure a location. I can make space for quite a few guys but Jim want's lathe training and jreifsch80 want's to turn and chamber a barrel, that seems like an easy fit but I don't want to speak for others. Looks like there coud be a pile of tools as well so anything stamped we should be able to make.
Thoughts?
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 09:45
I would love the contact info for your buddy that makes m70 stocks, maybe he would do on in teak wood but cherry is very nice too.
I'll barrow my buddy bob's drilling fixture and I'll see if he'll lend me his 5 and 7mm reamers too. Shouldn't be a problem at all he's a good guy though in exchange he'll probably want to hool up with you guys to know more builders when he moves out here from ny ;)
Jim, I'll try to limit my spicy food consumption and hopefully I won't be sweating out too much beer lol anyway I think you'll like those green mountain balnks for the price.
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 10:24
Talked to my buddy, he is sending out his drilling fixtures and his reamers so yes we'll have a 5mm and 7mm reamer there
Gunoholic
11-03-2010, 14:18
jreifsch80- thats great thanks...
I could make it to a party anytime during the next three weekends.
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 15:16
What are you planning to build gunoholic? If you can't get everything wrapped up at the bp then we could always get together soon after or something since you live close by.
Great-Kazoo
11-03-2010, 15:25
It looks like there's gonna be a party.
We should pick a date and see who is up for it, then we can figure a location. I can make space for quite a few guys but Jim want's lathe training and jreifsch80 want's to turn and chamber a barrel, that seems like an easy fit but I don't want to speak for others. Looks like there coud be a pile of tools as well so anything stamped we should be able to make.
Thoughts?
Date
November 13th 8-2:30. date confirmed on my end. now i have to move the trailer project
Okay so for potential builders we have:
bryjcom
jreifsch80
Jim
Gunoholic
Oneguy67
Wulf202
68charger
revor
?
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 17:01
Ah so you're going to make it gary? We can talk about our ultimate idea, the ARK of the covenant. I still need to find a junker ar bolt and carrier. If you make it just bring my m70 bolt and trunnion then.
Gunoholic
11-03-2010, 18:27
What are you planning to build gunoholic? If you can't get everything wrapped up at the bp then we could always get together soon after or something since you live close by.
I have the bulgarian ak74 kit. The chrome lined barrel I have for it still needs the gas port hole drilled, and the barrel pin notch. My parts are supposed to be delivered tomorrow, so Ill get to work on the rest of any demil work.
I would love the contact info for your buddy that makes m70 stocks, maybe he would do on in teak wood but cherry is very nice too.
I'll barrow my buddy bob's drilling fixture and I'll see if he'll lend me his 5 and 7mm reamers too. Shouldn't be a problem at all he's a good guy though in exchange he'll probably want to hool up with you guys to know more builders when he moves out here from ny ;)
Jim, I'll try to limit my spicy food consumption and hopefully I won't be sweating out too much beer lol anyway I think you'll like those green mountain balnks for the price.
All I have is his username on another site. I just sent him a PM requesting his address so as soon as I get it, you will get it. I bought the whole stock set for about $65. I only had to do a final sand on the buttstock and finish it with truoil. The front handgaurds were already done. I got a bit of a deal because the top handgaurd didn't take the oil the same and it is a different color.
At the party I will most likely be only helping out and bullshitting. I may start on something but most likely not.
So is anyone bringing a gunbuilder flat jig??
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 18:49
Cool I've helped on a couple 74's though they go together just like akm's.
Bry, I think I might know of who you speak, is he the guy out of texas? If so I think he's on the files though I'm almost never on there but that's a very nice price for a set. What kinda butt plate of pad does it take, I can't even find yugo butt pads, just sks. You should bring the stocl set for show and tell ;) though sounds like you live close enough to jim that it doesn't matter either way haha
Cool I've helped on a couple 74's though they go together just like akm's.
Bry, I think I might know of who you speak, is he the guy out of texas? If so I think he's on the files though I'm almost never on there but that's a very nice price for a set. What kinda butt plate of pad does it take, I can't even find yugo butt pads, just sks. You should bring the stocl set for show and tell ;) though sounds like you live close enough to jim that it doesn't matter either way haha
No this guy is in ohio if I remember correctly. Not sure on the buttpad. m70 fixed stock parts are so rare. I think I had heard that yugo sks butt pads may work? If not I was going to make my own somehow. After all its just a piece of rubber, right??? Now I'm not sure if I want to get the top cover retaining pin or not. I'm not sure if I could even find one with a spring.
Its definelty a project thats going to take awhile to get parts. It is technically a m70AB2 underfolder but it didn't come with the rear section and the barrel was a sewer pipe. So I got some nice wood, and just need receiver, rear trunnion and need to get a green mountain chrome lined barrel. Its going to be sweet.
I'll bring the wood over so you guys can see.
jreifsch80
11-03-2010, 21:06
Sounds cool bry, I'll bring my m76 over so we can try it's pad on your stock though you could always modify the stock to take an akm butt plate then at least it wouldn't be naked. Or do something fun like a mauser cuped butt plate I've had that idea and modding a yugo m48 teak stock into an m70 stock set, also I have some enfield stocks that would easild mod into a cool stock for a yugo. But I was thinking of using an enfield stock for a .303 psl haha I have too many ak plans
Edit: brycom, I have a topcover lock pin and spring like I said and I don't think it would be hard at all to replicate it on a lathe, I'll bring it.
So yesterday I received a car package from my friend, two flats, two tapco FCG's, Misc Rivets, a few pin retainers.
I'm getting fired up!
Hey what do you builder guys do for heat treating the reciever? Just do the pin holes and ejector?
jreifsch80
11-04-2010, 09:47
We usually just spot heat treat lower rails and fcg holes. Unless you have a jig and equepment heattreating a whole receiver would turn it into a banana
jreifsch80
11-04-2010, 13:24
Maybe we could brainstorm a jig and a biy kiln ;) I'd be up for trying it with homemade flats
Now your talking a lot of work!
I guess it could be a lot like a poor mans 555th jig with clearance for the rivets, bolt it on around the reciever or maybe slots for the rivets.
Or make a case hardening box, fill it with bone charcoal (creepy but human bone works the best) toss it in the furnace at 900 for a few hours and have a beautiful color case hardened AK receiver!
Great-Kazoo
11-04-2010, 15:05
Now your talking a lot of work!
I guess it could be a lot like a poor mans 555th jig with clearance for the rivets, bolt it on around the reciever or maybe slots for the rivets.
Or make a case hardening box, fill it with bone charcoal (creepy but human bone works the best) toss it in the furnace at 900 for a few hours and have a beautiful color case hardened AK receiver!
A rendering business might kick you down some cattle bones, higher density, greality guys ask around. You could fab up a kiln or sign up with one of those pottery places. time and patience is all it takes.
jreifsch80
11-04-2010, 22:47
Actualy bone meal was used as a calcium source in the feed industry for decades just with mad cow stuff it's illeagal to feed same species by procucts so I think it was too much trouble and red tape to have swine bone meal for cattle and beef bone meal for other stuff so now we get most of our calcium from plants in nebraska and fort collins. So my point.......haha...... I might be able to round up some bone meal, though I'll have to do some bird dogging.
As far as a jig for a kiln and quenching I've also thought a 555th style jig might work too a friend of mine built a 555th with 1/2 inch thich angle and has nice milled centers for it (akm and yugo) btw if anyone is needing to bend a yugo flat let me know and I'll grab it. But back to heat treating I think a beefy 555th style jig would be a good starting point.
I saw a cool thread on building a heat treat furnace once (I think it was a brit that made it) but a kiln would be relativly easy to make and much cheaper than buying one. Jim maybe we should have a kiln building party sometime and leave it in your garage hehe
Great-Kazoo
11-05-2010, 04:46
Actualy bone meal was used as a calcium source in the feed industry for decades just with mad cow stuff it's illeagal to feed same species by procucts so I think it was too much trouble and red tape to have swine bone meal for cattle and beef bone meal for other stuff so now we get most of our calcium from plants in nebraska and fort collins. So my point.......haha...... I might be able to round up some bone meal, though I'll have to do some bird dogging.
As far as a jig for a kiln and quenching I've also thought a 555th style jig might work too a friend of mine built a 555th with 1/2 inch thich angle and has nice milled centers for it (akm and yugo) btw if anyone is needing to bend a yugo flat let me know and I'll grab it. But back to heat treating I think a beefy 555th style jig would be a good starting point.
I saw a cool thread on building a heat treat furnace once (I think it was a brit that made it) but a kiln would be relativly easy to make and much cheaper than buying one. Jim maybe we should have a kiln building party sometime and leave it in your garage hehe
building a kiln is not that hard. or time consuming. Here's the deal perfect size AND Portable!
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/art/2042580004.html
mid sentence for this one. they are probably flexible with the extras
http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/for/2023575938.html
For the denver guys 220 heats better and quicker.
http://denver.craigslist.org/tls/2041269295.html
Gotta get bone charcoal, it's no fun to make (SMELLY), water treatment plants use it and some paint uses it as pigment. My friend Ron used to make some be beautiful 1885 Hi Walls and the colors where out of this world but he used human bone charcoal from india, crazy stuff. Sugar manufacturers, or Brownells would be a source.
If the colors weren't important regular wood charcoal would be fine.
jreifsch80
11-05-2010, 10:10
Gotta get bone charcoal, it's no fun to make (SMELLY), water treatment plants use it and some paint uses it as pigment. My friend Ron used to make some be beautiful 1885 Hi Walls and the colors where out of this world but he used human bone charcoal from india, crazy stuff. Sugar manufacturers, or Brownells would be a source.
If the colors weren't important regular wood charcoal would be fine.
Very interesting, a buddy of mine works for a water treatment company maybe I'll ask him next time I see him also I'm sure I know someone who knows someone who works at the sugar factory in scottsbluff ne (my home town) I'll ask a friend that is a manager at an ethanol plant in ne too I know they have water purification systems too. Wow this thread sure grew legs started out about help building a couple romy g's to color case hardening with ground human bones. Side note, would it really be possible to make bread from ground bones? (like the fairy tale)
Anyway looking forward to the build party I'm sure we'll all have fun bsing while we build
Gonna be a good one! I should have a spare couple hours to get my other kit Demil-ed this weekend as well!
Hey I was thinking, do any of you guys have headspace guages?
OneGuy67
11-08-2010, 16:39
Yes, I do!
Gunoholic
11-08-2010, 17:09
Im already looking at the next few rifles to build and I havent even built one yet. I'm stoked for Saturday.
Hey I was thinking, do any of you guys have headspace guages?
I've got a nogo gauge I'll bring
i have 7.62 x39 and x54r
You're gonna force me to by a PSL kit!!!!!
jreifsch80
11-09-2010, 03:27
I'm going to bring 7.62x39 gauges and if needed I just might be able to barrow a set of 5.45 gauges.
jreifsch80
11-09-2010, 03:32
Holy cow I just saw you have 54r gauges wulf I think a psl might have to be next for me too haha
Gunoholic
11-09-2010, 07:50
Oneguy76- do you have 5.45 gauges too? I definately need them. If you dont, I might need to see if jfeifsch80 can borrow some. Thanks-
OneGuy67
11-09-2010, 10:33
Nope, just 7.62 gauges.
jreifsch80
11-09-2010, 10:46
I'll see about borrowing those 5.45 gauges I know he'll let me but I don't know if I have time to meet up to grab them I'll let you know
The party is coming up.. What should I bring aside from what has been discussed?
Getting fired up, managed to get the other kit de mil-ed aside from pressing out the barrel and those four rivets. I hope I have time to get into the press at work before Saturday!
If 5.45 aren't available I'll have a set before x mas.
SAW THIS TOO LATE! I figured you guys were just having a long conversation about flats!
Would you all mind if a guy who wants to get into AK building stopped by to sponge up info from you? Sadly can't get hands on as I had no idea a build party was in the works. My curiosity is overwhelming and my ignorance is complete!
jreifsch80
11-10-2010, 11:24
Wow this thread has gotten long, I was thinking I should be able to host a follow up get to gether the next sat as well for some of the guys to finish up odds and ends if needed we'll see what we get done.
I was looking at mosin nagant barrel pictures and it apears to have the same kind of breech face as a psl so those 35 dollar mosin barrels from apex might make good options for a poor mans psl project plus they're 28 inches long ;) I am collecting parts for my absurdly long barrel 54r tabuk (just need the mosin barrel a psl bolt and a cold steel psl 80%)
Anyway my friend that sent me the drilling fixture said it might not get here till monday so we might not have it for the build party so hopefully it gets here in time as it would make things easier but if not I guess oh well. Jim let me know when would be a good time to drop my tools off friday
You're gonna force that PSL down my throat aren't you..
I'm this close to buying an 80%.....
SAW THIS TOO LATE! I figured you guys were just having a long conversation about flats!
Would you all mind if a guy who wants to get into AK building stopped by to sponge up info from you? Sadly can't get hands on as I had no idea a build party was in the works. My curiosity is overwhelming and my ignorance is complete!
PM jim on the board. Should be no problem though.
jreifsch80
11-10-2010, 20:38
Yes I am revor lol you cold always build an ak-54r too ;) but imagine a 28 inch barreled psl with hand loads to take advantage of that long barrel ;) ah a semi auto barrel burner would be very cool or with czech S&B match 54r ;) am I convincing you yet? Hehe (I'm starting to talk myself more into a psl too) tell you what if I get a psl I'll wait and see if you get one then maybe it would make it easier if we build them at the same time
I will build one! I will have to sell something, The problem is deciding which one![Rant1]
Just not enough room! Plus after this most recent run my wife is (justifiably) starting to raise her eyebrows a bit.
jreifsch80
11-10-2010, 22:24
So are you going to bring some potential sale items over for show and tell? ;) I still think you could build a psl on the cheap or untill then maybe 200 dollar .308 ak ;)
I might dig around in the gun room tonight and see what I've got. Mostly I'd be getting rid of some original lever guns, Marlins and Winchesters, i've picked them up over the years as shooters so many had been... Refinished !!!) but they'd be good for a true restoration. I just need to look at what needs to go. Got an old Rem Model 30 that needs to go too.
Centerfire systems, $269, maybe we can get a better price for 2!
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 14:54
If you have a russian contract 7.62x54r lever gun then I'd really have to bug you haha
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 15:01
Good idea about the cheaper price I'll call centerfire and ask or maybe we could do a small group buy of like 5 kits if they give us a better price
Call them.. I'm good for one psl kit.
Oh, like a model '95 Musket in 7.62x54R? Sorry not selling that one.....
I've got 2 spare romy g kits and one tantal if anyone needs one on the day of PM me
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 18:11
I don't blame you revor I'd do the same lol I'd love to find a 54r 95 someday that isn't selling for a kings ransom.
Wulf I sent you a pm, I'm curious about your tantal as that's a rifle on my to do list ;)
Great-Kazoo
11-11-2010, 19:45
T-1.5ish and counting. if you know where i live great, if not and haven't asked for directions, you will probably be lost.
no heat in the garage this afternoon, and it was a balmy 48 inside.
What i don't have it seems everyone else does, tool wise.
68Charger
11-11-2010, 20:46
I'm certain I can't make it now- have to watch the kids around 2pm on... so I'll stay in this half of the state...
Well crap, it seems you started this whole thing!!!
There will others most certainly. Gonna have to build a PSL or two [Beer]
On a happier note I managed to find some time to press the barrel and such from my last trunnion.
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 21:58
I'll call centerfire when I get a chance tomorrow and ask about discounts. I want to build at least one maybe 2 psl's ;)
We'll miss you gary but you'll be here in spirit since I'll probably brainstorm about our ark idea
CrufflerSteve
11-11-2010, 22:05
How often do these build parties happen? I wan't to get into this a couple of years ago and picked a few kits plus compliance parts but it all got put aside. I'd like to finally get around to it but probably wouldn't have it all in time.
Steve
How often do these build parties happen? I wan't to get into this a couple of years ago and picked a few kits plus compliance parts but it all got put aside. I'd like to finally get around to it but probably wouldn't have it all in time.
Steve
They are spontaneous. YOu don't have to have all the things. Usually people end up learning more than actually building them. We still get some things done but it is a good learning experience for the new guys.
Send Jim a PM for directions if you like
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 22:45
How often do these build parties happen? I wan't to get into this a couple of years ago and picked a few kits plus compliance parts but it all got put aside. I'd like to finally get around to it but probably wouldn't have it all in time.
Steve
I don't know personally but it seems they happen as often as we all have time and things to build. I forgot to look, where are you from? Personally I'm always building things so I'm always willing to have people I know from here or other boards join me when I'm tinkering I'm just temporarily space limited so I can't host full on build parties at the moment.
jreifsch80
11-11-2010, 22:53
Oh I almost forgot, will someone have an ar there for educational purposes? That's on my to build list though I'd like to make my own lower out of milled stamped and riveted steel with a riveted on trigger gaurd and accepts sexy bake-o mags and ak grips lol maybe I would get a laminate wood stock set too and dye it russian red lol ahh my what if the soviet union made an ar is a goal of mine for some day
Gunoholic
11-11-2010, 23:06
Oh I almost forgot, will someone have an ar there for educational purposes? That's on my to build list though I'd like to make my own lower out of milled stamped and riveted steel with a riveted on trigger gaurd and accepts sexy bake-o mags and ak grips lol maybe I would get a laminate wood stock set too and dye it russian red lol ahh my what if the soviet union made an ar is a goal of mine for some day
I was wondering if I'd get to show off my somewhat new LMT 10.5" ar. Ill bring it. That would be one hell of a gun jreifsch80. You'll have to post pics when thats completed.
I'll bring one.
I riveted lower? This I need to ponder.
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 01:29
Trunnions or "bulk heads" machined, like a piece in front and back of the magwell then a trunnion for the buffer tube with holes drilled through them and the sheet metal for the sides of the reciever and bottom riveted to the trunnions or bulkheads. With rivets through the whole way like an ak's rear trunnion ;) also it would be nice with a non forward assist fixed charge handle steel tube upper ;) a piston would be nice too I would assume since 5.45 is fairly dirty but then I don't know the limitations of an ar
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2010, 05:45
Dress warm for saturday. some work depending on attendance size (heat treating, grinding), may need to be done under the awning i will set up. will have radiant propane for that area.
12 pages and not one kit completed.
Yes but I have 2 ready to go!
Set up right an AR can run dirty ammo so it wouldn't need to be gas but it would be a plus. I can see it but there's not a lot of room at the front for a trunnion so to speak, I could see a "hollow" rivet to engage the front pin with a long rivet and spacer just below that for stability. At the rear the trunion could be very AK like as long as it had a whole for the rear pin.
I'll send you drawings.
What time are we starting?
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2010, 08:44
Yes but I have 2 ready to go!
Set up right an AR can run dirty ammo so it wouldn't need to be gas but it would be a plus. I can see it but there's not a lot of room at the front for a trunnion so to speak, I could see a "hollow" rivet to engage the front pin with a long rivet and spacer just below that for stability. At the rear the trunion could be very AK like as long as it had a whole for the rear pin.
I'll send you drawings.
What time are we starting?
Tonight aftyer i get off work!
Saturday Morning
Ocho Ocho Y media
For English
8-8:30
You probably don't want me spending the night, I will see you at 8ish in the morning.
Hasta manana, mi amigo!
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 10:18
Nerozumim spanalsky, vidim si zitra kamaradi ;)
For non czech speakers: I don't know spanish but see you tomorrow comrads lol
Jim I might be too busy at 3 but I can come over as soon as I'm done to bring over my crap.
Kdo řika JÁ don't vŘdŘt Čech?
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 14:05
Co ze? Jak se ridrt? Mluvim truchu cesky protoze mam byt v prahy 2 roky ;) mluvis cesky? Checes do dursky? Lol
Never been to Prague, I've got some CZ in the family, the odds? pretty wierd. We will see you in the morning!
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 15:12
Never been to Prague, I've got some CZ in the family, the odds? pretty wierd. We will see you in the morning!
Cool I have no czech blood in me, my family are all germans from russia (volksdeutsche aus russland) anyway see ya tomorrow I'll pick your brain on model 95's for sure
All the Kreutzers ended up in Kansas after we got kicked out of Russia. I too am Volga Deutsch.
My great great Grandparents ended up in Fredricksberg CO (now shortened to Fredrick) picking beets, The great Aunts and Uncles made it to Greeley. My mob made it to NoCali, from which we imagrated back to CO in the early 60's.
OneGuy67
11-12-2010, 19:34
Cool I have no czech blood in me, my family are all germans from russia (volksdeutsche aus russland) anyway see ya tomorrow I'll pick your brain on model 95's for sure
As are mine. Very interesting!
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2010, 19:51
As are mine. Very interesting!
you com bloc guys need to tone it down.
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 19:52
As are mine. Very interesting!
My family were all beet growers too, though in western nebraska not noco.. So you guys should go the the volga german dinners up in greeley (though mom and dad keep bugging me to go too haha)
So I dropped off all my tools but my long rivet jig and press at jims we should be able to crack out rifles pretty well
Revor, did you say for the future you have the use of a tig? I might have to horse trade with you and see if you'd help me make a stainless tray for parking.
Great-Kazoo
11-12-2010, 19:54
My family were all beet growers too, though in western nebraska not noco.. So you guys should go the the volga german dinners up in greeley (though mom and dad keep bugging me to go too haha)
So I dropped off all my tools but my long rivet jig and press at jims we should be able to crack out rifles pretty well
Revor, did you say for the future you have the use of a tig? I might have to horse trade with you and see if you'd help me make a stainless tray for parking.
Justin
DON'T FORGET THE 1/4-20 BRASS SCREW AND 2) 1/4-20 NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brings jackets it's gonna be cold in the shop:)
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 20:01
Found my spot welder tip in my trash can I mean back seat lol so we're good to go.
I will tig what you need!
Combloc!?!?! We're German Beet diggers! Long before the Soviets happened we got lucky and were kicked out![Tooth]
jreifsch80
11-12-2010, 23:02
Sounds nice revor
Even though my great grandfathers were in the russian army thry were in the czars army though I did have like 20 something relatives executed or sent to siberia by the communists but my direct relatives were lucky and got out when they could ;) I'm not comblock with typical kraut last names in my family haha I need to drag my wife to a dutch hop sometime.
By the way jim, kevin is bringing grease for bending.
CrufflerSteve
11-12-2010, 23:22
If I can drag myself out of bed I'll be there mainly to observe and learn.
Steve
Gunoholic
11-13-2010, 00:50
F my life, I was just doing some reading, and saw that I needed to order the center support for the receiver. I'm hoping someone might have an extra... See you guys in the morning.
jreifsch80
11-13-2010, 08:17
I just use 1/4 inch tube or even a 1/4 roll pin trimmed to fit for a center support sleeve. My idea is why buy it when you can make it lol
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