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Wulf202
10-29-2010, 22:39
http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/10/welcome_to_the_promised_land_b.html


Welcome to the Promised Land, by Rod E.

Over the years, many people have told us that WTSHTF, they are coming to our place in the country. When people say things like this, we hear, "...so that you can take care of me." This document is presented as a source of information for those who might need a realignment of their expectations, a clarification of ours or both. It should serve as a harsh wake up call for anyone who plans to flee to someone else's survival retreat should the need arise.

If you have neglected, failed or refused to complete your plans for survival, here are things you need to know, should you decide to depend on someone who has been more diligent.

No One Will Provide You With Shelter
No One Will Feed You
No One Will Provide Drinking Water
No One Will Protect You
No One Will Provide Medical Attention
Did the Children of Israel expect Moses to provide all of these things for them? Nope! He started walking and they had to keep up. Everyone carried what they needed and everyone did everything they needed to do to survive.

Let's take a look at what your life might be like WTSHTF.

For any number of reasons, you lose electricity without notice and your water stops running. (Public water supplies need electricity) When people eventually realize the outage extends beyond their immediate circle of travel, they will panic and stores will be looted. Stores cannot be protected because...the police departments have no electricity. Gas stations will be closed when they cannot deliver fuel because...they have no electricity. It's funny how that works, isn't it? As more people begin to panic they will assemble into angry mobs armed with guns, knives, baseball bats and sticks. No police presence means no protection for you or anyone else. The police have raced home to protect their families.

You are now officially unemployed with no benefits, you cannot withdraw your worthless money from the bank, you cannot make a phone call, listen to the radio or watch television. Your stove, microwave oven, refrigerator and Internet connection are no longer working. You cannot run to Wal-Mart's camping section to pick up a sleeping bag or kerosene lantern. Your car has less than a half tank of gasoline and your terrified wife and children are begging you to do something.

A horde of lawless desperadoes is making its way down your street, hurling rocks and bricks through windows, setting cars on fire and breaking into homes in search of food and supplies. Through sheer numbers and merciless force, they overwhelm every feeble attempt at defense or escape, leaving death and destruction in their path. Like killer bees, they swarm your home and discover that it is vacant because you somehow managed to escape, either through a miracle, proper planning or dumb luck. They ravage what was once your comfortable home sweet home, laying waste years of financial sacrifice and hard work as you are driving or hiking or crawling down the highway or back roads to The Promise Land, your friend's place in the country.

For the sake of this frightening glimpse into your new reality, let's assume that you and your family somehow beat the one in a million odds and successfully escape the chaos and anarchy in the city. Exhausted and emotionally paralyzed with fear and anxiety, you eventually make your way to an overgrown pasture bordered by woods, provided that you were not attacked and killed on your journey or shot as an intruder when you arrive, which is always an unfortunate possibility.

So, in summary:

There is no comfortable shelter waiting for you
There is no water
There is no food
There is no security, no protection at all
The mobs will eventually make their way out into the countryside and find you
The place looks deserted, and there is silence as you cautiously scan the edge of the woods. You can't help but wonder how many guns might be aimed at your head.

Welcome to The Promised Land. It is everything you expected it to be?

More than one person has referred to our place in the country as, The Promised Land. It is important to remember that the people followed Moses. He did not carry them...and I am not Moses...and our place is not The Promised Land. Adhering to the analogy, the city from which you fled was the land of Egypt, our place in the country is the desert. The Promised Land comes later if you survive and behave yourself.

In spite of arriving with nothing more than the inappropriate clothes on your back and the meager amount of food that you were able to carry, and given the obvious absence of expected amenities at your adopted survival haven, you are are still somehow confident that you will survive because you've been responsibly paying the premiums on your Emergency and Disaster Preparedness insurance policy.

You haven't been paying the premiums? You did not sacrifice what you wanted today for what you might need tomorrow? The bad news is, your prognosis for survival is definitely grim. There is no good news.

We do not have a rider on our Emergency and Disaster Preparedness insurance policy for you. You have no insurance coverage at our place. Like most people, we have fallen onto extremely hard times and have been barely able to feed ourselves and keep a roof over our heads. We won't even discuss the monumental tasks of paying medical bills and other past-due responsibilities. Severe illness and extended unemployment completely drained our finances and everything that was left of our emergency supplies. The Schumer has hit the fan for us already. If it gets any worse, we may have to come and live with you. Did you ever think about that?

No One Will Provide You With Shelter.

First off, who knows how long we will be able to keep up the payments on our house or how long it will remain standing? In times of civil unrest, windows get broken, doors get kicked in and houses burn. If our house is somehow miraculously still standing when you arrive, consider what that environment would be like if you chose to stay (provided that we let you). There is only so much room in our house. Imagine being jammed and crammed into an increasingly smelly and dirty house with a maniacal herd of hungry, desperate refugees undergoing various stages of mental deterioration, panic and anger, screaming at each other and crying at the drop of a hat. Sound like fun? Not so much.

To set the record straight, my wife and I will never subject ourselves to that psychological nightmare whether our house is standing or not. Not even a fool would do that during the best of times so why would anyone expect us to do it during a time of great distress? We are both getting old and crotchety, we lack patience and we have no desire to convert our house into a loony bin so take that option off the table right now.

If you show up WTSHTF and if we decide to let you stay, you will have to build your own shelter using your bare hands and your own supplies. Do a web search on the phrase "debris hut" for more information. It is presumptuous and selfish to expect anyone to expend their resources and energy to provide this for you out of the kindness of their heart. Your shelter will need to be built in such a way that it will keep you warm in the winter, cool in the summer and it must be able to withstand 60-70MPH winds, torrential downpours and heavy layers of snow and ice often accompanying the wicked storms that we get periodically. Nature is not your friend. It is a heartless enemy that is constantly trying to kill you. Build your shelter accordingly.

So now that you have built your comfy debris hut with three bedrooms, one and a half baths and a deck, let's discuss the next facet of your reality.

No One Will Feed You

We cannot and will not feed you because we were not blessed with unlimited financial resources, the divine calling to set aside food for you, nor the facility to store that extra food. If God wanted us to do that, He would have told us to do it and made it possible. He doesn't. He hasn't. He didn't. He told you to do it and He made it possible. You listened and obeyed, right? Those are the insurance premiums you should have been paying all along.

If you choose to come to our place WTSHTF, you will need to provide all of your own food. Don't count on living off of the land because first of all, you don't know how, and second, it is much harder than you think. There will be a myriad of other critical responsibilities and events that will demand your attention so having a good food storage is wise. When considering what kind of food you should be putting aside, remember that canned goods expire, bulge and rust. They are also heavy and difficult to transport. Dried goods mold, become infested with bugs and everything attracts mice. We have lots and lots of bugs and mice here in the desert. (Potential food source?) Figure out what you will eat, how much you will eat, double or triple that and figure out a way to get it, store it, rotated to keep it fresh and carry it to our place if you still want to come here. (The lack of a warm, dry house is usually a show stopper for most armchair survivalists)

Consider how much food your family consumes in a week, a month, a year. Now imagine what will happen to you and them if you immediately stopped going to the store to replenish your supplies. Remember, you have no job so you have no money and even if you did, money is no longer worth the paper it is written on. There are no stores to go to and no one is going to sell you food or trade their food for your meager possessions. So get that out of your head. Gold coins, if you have any, might make good sinkers should you decide to go fishing but a pound of gold won't buy a pound of rice because no one does that much fishing.

Do you plan on hunting for food? So do a million other people and those heavily armed, hungry hordes with their guns, snares, spears and home made bows and arrows will be stumbling over each other in the woods. You are better than the competition so one shot, one kill and you miraculously shoot the last squirrel left in the entire county (because the other animals were smart enough to leave when all those crazy people showed up). Everyone hears that gun shot and your mission is now to somehow escape those heavily populated woods with your life and your squirrel, in that order. Good luck with that.

Deciding not to risk your life to kill what's left of God's little animals, you might innocently/ignorantly believe that you can sustain yourself and your family by foraging for wild, edible plants but so does every other unprepared refugee who has fled to the country and they are all scouring the countryside, grazing on everything that is green or was green or might be green someday. Do you know the precise differences between edible plants and their poisonous look-a-like cousins? Even your reference book will tell you that pictures are no substitute for experience. Ingesting the wrong plants may present an unpleasant way to die with the retching and vomiting and sweating and diarrhea that precedes the wheezing, contorting and groan. (See: We Cannot Provide Medical Attention)

Note: You cannot eat grass. Your stomach can process the sugars but not the cellulose which contains most of the calories that you will need. A cow can do it but a cow's stomach is equipped to do that and yours is not. Do your research beforehand or suffer the consequences.

I hope you like bugs, snakes and mice. Yum!

No One Will Provide Drinking Water

Do you really believe that you will somehow be able to locate, carry, purify and store at least one gallon of water per day for each person in your family? Did you remember to bring a big pot to boil water and if so, did you know that it takes about forty pounds of wood to boil five gallons of water, which also weighs about the same? Where will you get all of that wood? Chopping wood with an ax (that you forgot to bring with you) burns calories that you cannot afford to burn because you have been eating grass. How will you carry that much wood and store it and burn it every single day of the year through the rain and snow and freezing rain and under the blistering summer sun, even when you are exhausted or sick with the flu or you have a broken arm? (We are busy fetching and purifying our own water so don't call us.) Remember, while you are gathering water and wood, so is every other rueful wretch struggling to survive and what will you do when they square off with you to fight you for what you have, or worse yet, when they show up with thirty of their thirsty friends to steal your water? (See: We Cannot Protect You)

You will need an efficient, sustainable means to collect, purify and store water...lots and lots of water. You will need the wherewithal to store enough extra water to carry you through the hard freeze of winter (no one wants to fetch water during an ice storm), when you are sick or disabled or overwhelmed with other tasks like vomiting because you ate a flower that looked friendly but wasn't. You will need to know how to efficiently as effectively manage and protect your precious water supply and have a backup plan in case your primary supply is disrupted or destroyed. Ponds dry up or become polluted, containers leak and bad things happen. (Which is obviously our fault) Prepare for it, deal with it or die.

Yes, we know about bio-sand filters. How much sand and gravel did you bring? Perhaps you can find a clean barrel somewhere. Were we supposed to supply that? Wow, you must really be disappointed in us.

No One Will Protect You

Remember those angry hordes that frightened you out of the city and burned your home? They will eventually exhaust the resources of the ravaged neighborhoods and make their way into the countryside. When they find you, and they will find you, they will be even more desperate and dangerous than when you last saw them. Additionally, our neighbors, the heavily armed people who inhabited the countryside long before you got here, will be "foraging" for your resources so be careful out there. Desperate people do desperate things and those people will congregate because there is strength in numbers. Now, it's just you against ten, thirty or fifty desperate people determined to take your food, water and resources and they will have no qualms about hurting or killing you. Are you physically, emotionally and spiritually equipped to survive such an attack...over and over and over again because those attacks will continue to happen with increased intensity as people become more and more desperate.

You will need the ability to effectively defend yourself, your family and your resources against undefeatable forces. You will need more than a gun, a knife or a pointy stick. Those are mere implements and implements are a very small part of the complex security equation. Your opponents will undoubtedly have more and bigger implements and they might arrive in incomprehensible waves of death and destruction. Consequently, you will need to be physically fit and experienced as well as mentally and emotionally prepared. You must possess the reflexes of a gazelle on amphetamines, the strength of a superhero on steroids, the spatial awareness of a rabbit surrounded by hungry wolves and divine wisdom to know what to do in any given crisis. You may be forced to run in order to survive or fight in order to survive but you may run or fight and die anyway. Raise your hand when you think it is our responsibility to step in and save you because you can't protect yourself.

Okay, realistically, security is everyone's business and we would not expect you to defend yourself all by yourself if you were a member of our community, but I hope you understand that making it someone else's responsibility to protect you is presumptuous and dangerous. Make sure you are worth saving by participating in the fray with the same intensity that you would expect from others.

By the way, hungry people will kill you for your food. Very hungry people eat even their dead friends. There are many examples of survival-induced cannibalism throughout history. In fact, most instances of cannibalism are for survival, not ritual. The Donner Party, the wreck of the Mignonette, and the plane crash of the Uruguayan rugby team in the Andes mountains are all stories proving that people who are without food for about ninety days or less will turn to cannibalism. Watch the movie "The Road", and see if that opens your mind to possibilities that await you.

If you wander outside of the perimeter, we cannot protect you. If you are kidnapped, we will not negotiate for your return. We may retaliate with a rabid vengeance but we will not negotiate.

No One Will Provide Medical Attention

So, you somehow got your head bashed in or you were stabbed or shot while defending your debris hut/condo, your dwindling food supply of field mice and a half gallon of dirty pond water stored in a leaky, plastic milk container that you found on the side of the road (Again, obviously our fault). You got stung a zillion times by angry hornets or you rolled in a patch of poison ivy (that you were collecting as food). Perhaps you fell out of a tree or you slipped and broke your arm or you chopped off your finger while trying to split fire wood with a rock and a dull steak knife. Maybe you charred your hand while digging through the hot coals of your smoldering camp fire, retrieving a field mouse that fell off of your roasting stick. We did not budget for a private hospital or a retired veterinarian and you are no longer covered under ObamaCare, so all you might get is a slightly used band-aid. Will that make it all better? If you did not bring any medical supplies, you probably won't like what we will do to your stab gash, bullet hole, hornet sting, broken arm, missing finger or charred hand. And by the way, you deserve that case of poison ivy.

Let's see what else...

We will not build your fires to keep you warm, cook your food or provide comfort. Learn to build a fire now without the use of a lighter or matches and practice until you are good at it. We will teach you while we have the time but don't ask us later because we will be quite busy.

If you come to our place WTSHTF, we will not give you a knife or any other sharp object. If you do not already own a good knife, you obviously won't know how to use one safely anyway. (See: We Cannot Provide Medical Attention) Buy at least two good knives, spend a lot of money for them and learn how to use them and sharpen them! If we have to tell you why, you are probably going to die anyway and "very hungry people" will eat you.

We will not provide you with a bathroom or outhouse or a nice warm shower. You may not like the idea of pooping in a hole behind a tree but you will eventually get over it. If that is simply unacceptable, bring along a port-a-potty with a padded seat and plenty of environment-friendly chemicals, biodegradable toilet paper and be prepared to add an addition to your debris hut.

I will address survival community governance at a later date, but in short, a survival community is not a democracy. You will not get to vote like they do on The Discovery Channel's series, The Colony. Get over it. You chose to leave your democracy when they voted to kill you and take your stuff, remember? Ours will not be a society where members of the House and Senate force those who work to provide for those who won't and it will not reward those who steal with bailouts.

Technically, a survival community does not function as a colony but more like a tribe. Embrace the concept of communal life in a tribe. Consider everything tribe members do together and everything they must do for themselves and you will have an idea of what will be expected of you should you wish to be a part of a survival community. Get used to living with rules. If you think your home owner's association is too strict, you surely won't like living with a tribe of dedicated survivalists with zero tolerance for freeloaders or pansies.

A man recently asked me, "What do I have or what could I do that might be beneficial to your community?" My answer was, "I haven't a clue. Only you can answer that question." He never did. I know what he was thinking and we are not interested in what he has to offer. He has stockpiled lots of guns and ammunition, virtually no food for his extended family and all he has for water purification is one ceramic filter. We don't need him. He needs us. If all you have is guns and ammunition, everyone already considers you a threat and you will have absolutely no idea how they have prepared to deal with that threat. When those people die, someone will take their stuff and the "very hungry people" will eat them. Just something to consider in case you decide to become a looter or a bully. To survive, you need a balance of skills, resources, preparation and experience.

Before you ask someone if you can join their survival community, ask yourself, "Why would they let me come to their place?" This is a fair question that deserves an honest answer. A healthy community is the only way any of us will make it through the coming hard times, but in every community, every person must have more than a single redeeming quality.

Remember the parable of the ten virgins. [In contemporary terms] Five of them paid the premiums on their Emergency and Disaster Preparedness insurance policy. The other five didn't. Make sure you are prepared. Your future depends on it.

If, after reading this, you still want to come to our place and realize that you won't be able to bring much with you when you flee the city, you should probably consider getting your stuff to our place now while you still can. No, we do not have additional storage space so that is another thing for you to consider. We will allow you park your motor home or trailer here and you can even build a shed to store your survival items but that offer is only available to a certain few for a limited amount of time. (My wife wanted me to remove this paragraph.)

If you do not know how to build a shelter or start a fire or purify water, I would advise you to get here as soon as possible so that we can teach you while there is still time to learn. Would you like to practice and see what it would be like to put all of these skills together in a controlled environment? Now is a good time. During a torrential rain storm is another good time.

KevDen2005
10-30-2010, 00:07
Well that was uplifting

Byte Stryke
10-30-2010, 00:22
A good read...
Dismal, but pretty factual.

KevDen2005
10-30-2010, 01:29
A good read...
Dismal, but pretty factual.


I am just mad because I thought you all were gonna help me through!!!![Rant2]

Just kidding. Preparing at the same time paying bills, and keeping in mind that I own a house in the city and I can't really take off and build a bomb shelter in the mountains.

Byte Stryke
10-30-2010, 02:19
I am just mad because I thought you all were gonna help me through!!!![Rant2]

Just kidding. Preparing at the same time paying bills, and keeping in mind that I own a house in the city and I can't really take off and build a bomb shelter in the mountains.


We have a place in the mountains...
not that it would help much in a scenario like this.

to be honest I would only recognize the guys I've sold to /bought from.
See, This is why we need Bumper stickers, T-Shirts, a SHTF rally point and a secret handshake!

Or maybe we have all of that and you guys just aren't letting me in on it!


I get it now... I See what you did there...
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that you aren't all out to get me!
[Peep]

KevDen2005
10-30-2010, 05:20
We have a place in the mountains...
not that it would help much in a scenario like this.

to be honest I would only recognize the guys I've sold to /bought from.
See, This is why we need Bumper stickers, T-Shirts, a SHTF rally point and a secret handshake!

Or maybe we have all of that and you guys just aren't letting me in on it!


I get it now... I See what you did there...
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that you aren't all out to get me!
[Peep]



LOL!!!

So are you saying there IS a secret handshake?!

Bumper stickers would be awesome.

The problem is that I don't know that I am REALLY ready, but I think I am a lot more ready than most citizens and continue to prepare while at the same time not getting nuts. The thing I worry about is the loved ones I have that are just not along the same line of thinking. Would I say that I wouldn't help them if they met up at my place? I don't think I could turn them away. I suppose I would be giving them lots of work to do to help out if that happened.

The other thought is, I think there are a lot of us like-minded people prepping as much as possible. Given what I do know I think we would want to stick together, sooner rather than later, to take back the place which we so dearly love. I also have a family to think about but at the same time, I am not willing to give up this country and this land that I served, that my father and grandfather fought for. I am not willing to walk away and give it to looters, criminals, or enemy armies.

Irving
10-30-2010, 07:30
Love it. I'm afraid we'd die so fast. Sad, but true.

Oh yeah, and the link doesn't work. Can we at least get help with that?

hip55
10-30-2010, 08:14
Oh yeah, and the link doesn't work. Can we at least get help with that?

Here ya go -

http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/10/welcome_to_the_promised_land_b.html

StagLefty
10-30-2010, 08:49
We have a place in the mountains...
not that it would help much in a scenario like this.

to be honest I would only recognize the guys I've sold to /bought from.
See, This is why we need Bumper stickers, T-Shirts, a SHTF rally point and a secret handshake!

Or maybe we have all of that and you guys just aren't letting me in on it!


I get it now... I See what you did there...
Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean that you aren't all out to get me!
[Peep]
We have got to send you to bed earlier !! [Beer]

Irving
10-30-2010, 11:32
Here ya go -

http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/10/welcome_to_the_promised_land_b.html

Thank you! The next time my browser crashes when I try to open a PDF, I'm coming to your place.

hawk1
10-30-2010, 15:46
WOW... that was an light read!

The red strips on my knees are now a deep purple and my feet have fallen asleep. I read this while sitting on the toilet and lost all blood flow to my lower extremities! I shoulda scroleld down before diving into this! Thanks Wulf202! I now have to crawl to the shower to clean myself off!

You do make some good points though.

Wulf202
10-30-2010, 17:02
WOW... that was an light read!

The red strips on my knees are now a deep purple and my feet have fallen asleep. I read this while sitting on the toilet and lost all blood flow to my lower extremities! I shoulda scroleld down before diving into this! Thanks Wulf202! I now have to crawl to the shower to clean myself off!

You do make some good points though.
For clarification, this is not my rant. All credit goes to Rod E. @survival blog.

I just happen to agree and spread the word.

jerrymrc
10-30-2010, 18:20
Many of my "friends" and co workers have said the same thing. I will just come to your place.

I hear the same statement over and over. "My wife wont let me"....... So if something were to happen she plans on coming here? My own wife does not totally understand. She helps and gets most of it but if something were to happen she does not understand when I tell her that most of the family would be on there own.

I have some friends that have started but as the preparations start to grow the other half freaks out. Once you get past a couple of weeks worth of supplies then you are labeled as a "nut job".

I no longer try and convert anyone. I just do the best I can and help those that want to learn. The others like in the first sentence I tell them that it will be "sorry, but I can't help you"

hurley842002
10-30-2010, 19:44
Many of my "friends" and co workers have said the same thing. I will just come to your place.

I hear the same statement over and over. "My wife wont let me"....... So if something were to happen she plans on coming here? My own wife does not totally understand. She helps and gets most of it but if something were to happen she does not understand when I tell her that most of the family would be on there own.

I have some friends that have started but as the preparations start to grow the other half freaks out. Once you get past a couple of weeks worth of supplies then you are labeled as a "nut job".

I no longer try and convert anyone. I just do the best I can and help those that want to learn. The others like in the first sentence I tell them that it will be "sorry, but I can't help you"

Good post, and I agree for the most part. I think for me, it will be a "what can you bring to the table" situation, and "will you hinder my survival". With that said, I think that will leave my Parents, my Girlfriends Parents, and my brothers. Those people will be welcomed to join me in my efforts, because I know they have something to bring to the table, rather it be equipment, or skills. As selfish as it may sound, it's hard enough for you to prepare enough for yourself let alone multiple people. For now, it's just me and my GF and our immediate families. We will be escaping to our cabin in the mountains [Beer]

Wulf202
10-30-2010, 21:31
I no longer try and convert anyone. I just do the best I can and help those that want to learn. The others like in the first sentence I tell them that it will be "sorry, but I can't help you"
This is truth. There's no way to convert anyone who doesn't want to know. You might as well put on your best geeksquad look and ride a bike around bothering people at their front doors...

Byte Stryke
10-30-2010, 22:04
I would like to think that I could survive for a while.
the hardest part of all of this will be the initial breakdown and the exodus.

Raise your hands if your PRIMARY Survival plan involves the word "GO"

You and 400 THOUSAND Other people
There is another 400 Thousand that will follow you simply because "Everyone else is doing it"

Pre-cut 3/4 Ply with 2x4s and carriage bolts
whose got them?
If your answer is Home Depot or Lowes, you are in trouble right now.
The initial exodus will Bog traffic avenues and everything will become a parking lot.

Is it a Perfect Plan? Nope... the perfect plan is a pipe dream. but it beats the hell out of trying to get to the Mountains with everyone in the Denver metro stuck on I-70 or I-25.

ShooterJM
10-31-2010, 08:08
As bad as it is, my current plan is just to bug in rather then bug out. Quite frankly I don't have anywhere to go until I can finish saving up for some land.

KevDen2005
10-31-2010, 13:54
As bad as it is, my current plan is just to bug in rather then bug out. Quite frankly I don't have anywhere to go until I can finish saving up for some land.


Same here, my goal is to have two plans. The bug in plan and the bug out plan.

SA Friday
10-31-2010, 23:04
Wow, this guy can ramble about the same thing for a long time. I'm pretty sure Hemmingway rolled over in his grave when it was typed.

Irving
10-31-2010, 23:08
I think with a rocket stove you could boil 5 gallons of water with a lot less wood. I haven't built one yet though.

KevDen2005
10-31-2010, 23:30
Wow, this guy can ramble about the same thing for a long time. I'm pretty sure Hemmingway rolled over in his grave when it was typed.


LOL! Indeed. We live in an ADD Society, you gotta get to the point soon or it is pretty much useless

KevDen2005
10-31-2010, 23:32
I think with a rocket stove you could boil 5 gallons of water with a lot less wood. I haven't built one yet though.


Maybe I am not good at figuring the weights of wood, but I am a regular camper/backpacker. I have a few different types of stoves, but I also cook and boil water over open fire. To me it just doesn't seem like it is that much wood to boil that much water. At the same time, I don't boil 5 gallons at once, I certainly don't have a huge pot that I backpack with all of the time. I boil very small amounts, that I plan on consuming.

Irving
10-31-2010, 23:59
You saying you don't have crawfish boil/camping trips? Weirdo.

KevDen2005
11-01-2010, 00:14
You saying you don't have crawfish boil/camping trips? Weirdo.


Alright Stuart Calm Down!!!

And no, I don't have Crawfish Boil/Camping Trips!

BigBear
11-01-2010, 09:04
"What can you bring to the table?"

... I can play a mean trumpet.....




I'm gonna die..... sad...

hip55
11-01-2010, 09:14
To get a better understanding of the original post, just watch the movie, "The Road".

hurley842002
11-01-2010, 09:31
"What can you bring to the table?"

... I can play a mean trumpet.....




I'm gonna die..... sad...

Ya know, when it comes to survival, often times even the Strongest (physically) Men/Women, break down mentally. A good musician could make a world of difference. Sounds like you DO have something to bring to the table.

[Beer]

funkfool
11-01-2010, 09:52
"What can you bring to the table?"

... I can play a mean trumpet.....




I'm gonna die..... sad...

Well - it does depend on where you are located...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bottleneck/images/2008/08/15/trumpet.jpg

On a related note:
Mean trumpet vs. angry trumpet - which is more difficult to play...

BigBear
11-01-2010, 09:52
lol, thanks for the pep talk. I'd still die though. I'm a fat dude and the hungry mobs could feed off me for years! HAHA.

Rule #1: Cardio! (I'm actually pretty decently in shape, just a big fellow)

BigBear
11-01-2010, 09:53
Well - it does depend on where you are located...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/bottleneck/images/2008/08/15/trumpet.jpg

On a related note:
Mean trumpet vs. angry trumpet - which is more difficult to play...


Interesting sign... is that saying "no honking" or something? Where's it from?

Mean or Angry trumpet... I think the angry trumpet would be more difficult to play as the player must coax it to be nice and get along while playing... HAHA.

Jeff350
11-01-2010, 10:03
I bet we've all heard at one time or another "Well when TSHTF I am coming to your house!"

I plan for short term interruptions in society for my wife and I, and no one else. There is no way I would be able to feed/water/shelter all my friends and family that refuse to have even basic necessities at hand.

That said, I doubt I could turn anyone I know away. For this reason I often find myself trying to explain the fragile nature of our society. For example, the strikes in Europe going on right now. If the truckers or refinery workers decided to strike today, how long would it be before the shelves at King Soopers are empty? Maybe a day or two if there is no panic.

I have often thought of creating some buckets with basic food and spices as well as a knife, water treatment, and cooking supplies to give to family members.

funkfool
11-01-2010, 10:19
I just read this guys novel: "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse" (http://www.rawles.to/patriots.htm)
I highly recommend it...

ShooterJM
11-04-2010, 12:00
Pretty sure my parents got me a copy of that last Christmas, not a bad read.

GoldFinger
11-08-2010, 14:46
I no longer try and convert anyone. I just do the best I can and help those that want to learn. The others like in the first sentence I tell them that it will be "sorry, but I can't help you"

My hats off to jerrymrc! He has held a couple weekend meetings to help learn and teach some of the talents that would be VERY helpful in a SHTF scenario (side note - I wanted to attend both of the lessons he held but failed to plan correctly to make it). And he has, IMO, a realistic perspective of how people are going to HAVE to treat others in a SHTF scenario. He's making time to share an ounce of prevention because there probably will be no cure, much less a pound of it.
[Beer]

The Patriot - Not a great literary work, but it's a nice way of detailing how you would IDEALLY want to be prepared and put it into a story form to show how some of the preparedness would be applied practically.

that's my 2 cents.[Whacko]