View Full Version : out of state add posters , are they for real and or safe ???
so i may be new to this c.ar-15.s. forum , but it seems a bit fishy for out of stater's to post the preban ak-47s . am i wrong about this , are they on the level , ect ??? just wondering if anybody knows what the deal is with theses guys , cause i would think that you could sell an ak dam near anywhere , why out source to colorado ??? like i said it seems fishy and i was just wondering
thanks
ghettodub
11-04-2010, 11:49
Gotta agree with you there, seems shady. Rules are a little different when you sell across state lines as well.
if you go through an FFL it's perfectly legal.
Doesn't seem worth the trouble with shipping, securing payment, and dealing with a FFL. You can find pretty good deals locally.
Could be one of two things. Just someone trying to get as much exposure for the sale item as possible, trying to get it sold..
The other one, I'd have to put the tinfoil on..
Either way, just go with common sense.. and yes, as long as the FFL is used it is perfectly legal..
BPTactical
11-04-2010, 12:04
You know I almost posted in regards to this a while back but bit my tongue (keyboard).
This is COLORADO AR15.com, not AR15.com.
Note the big key word: COLORADO
I feel that sales should be reserved for in state sales. If you want something that is not found here or want to sell it nationwide go to THAT other site.
Otherwise what is the point of COLORADO AR15?
I really like the fact that this is a local site where the members are supporting fellow COAR members and Industry Partners, we can get to know who we are dealing with and develop a repoir with them and discuss local issues.
I am all for keeping this a local, in state forum, at least when it comes to the sales end of things.
That's all I have to say about that.......[Tooth]
Why would it be any different or shadier for people in other states to be members here and offer things for sale, than for them to be members of more nationwide type sites like The High Road, AR15.com, The Firing Line, Gun and Game, or the CMP forums? Or any other of the myriad gun forums out there. Just because this is a "Colorado" site doesn't mean anything, IMO. Every gun forum is "based" in some state, ya know, not to mention all the sellers on the gun auction sites. The Internet kinda eliminates borders, ya know.
I haven't bought any guns from people in other states on this forum, but I have on other forums, and like people have said it's perfectly legal as long as FFL's are involved. I do like the fact that I can, and have, found guns for sale here that I can buy in local FTF transactions. On more nationwide forums it's a little more difficult to find Colorado sellers, but that's the only difference that I can see.
You can get screwed buying a gun from a guy down the street from you just as easily as you can get screwed by a seller across the country. Every deal has it's own risks and merits.
JMHO.
And I kind of agree with you, Bert, about this being a Colorado site, as far as comeraderie and local businesses and things like that go. This site is a wonderful resource to find local sellers and business contacts, finding you has been very beneficial to me personally! You've provided me with services that I wasn't able to find anywhere else, and you did so for excellent prices and service! But it's a fact that people ANYWHERE can join and be members of ANY forum on the Internet, none of them can be selective to only certain people in certain places. We have members here from all over the country, just like Colorado4x4.org has members all over the country. I enjoy being able to find guns, accessories, Jeep parts, etc. from sellers wherever I can find them.
I suppose a solution might be having separate "for sale" sections, one for CO sellers, and one for out-of-state sellers, if it really is an issue.
I disagree that sales should be colorado only.
rondog said it well
and besides... some (like me) have been banned from that "other" site by racist, power tripping shithead mods.
That's all I have to say about that.......[Tooth]
...and besides... some (like me) have been banned from that "other" site by racist, power tripping shithead mods.....
Story time! I'll get the popcorn ready.
i hear that bptactical . so far i have enjoyed the local factor . i have always had a hard time mailing out for guns , cause well you hold it you want it , a picture is just a 1000 words . yeah sure an ffl will get it done and all that , but it really is kinda creepy to post here from new England ( or anywhere else for that matter ) .
me i say keep it local , friendly and face to face ( when purchasing firearms ) . thanks for the input so far , like i said i was just wondering and hey i dont care if it sounds lame , its nice to have a place to ask questions , buy , sell ,and trade . an honest thank you to Colorado AR-15 shooters forum
ban from the other site ? im sure theres a story behind that
me i say keep it local , friendly and face to face ( when purchasing firearms ) . thanks for the input so far , like i said i was just wondering and hey i dont care if it sounds lame , its nice to have a place to ask questions , buy , sell ,and trade . an honest thank you to Colorado AR-15 shooters forum
Oh yeah, I love this place! Very thankful for its existence! I'm just trying to make the point that on the Internet, you can't really make a site that's only inclusive to certain people in certain places. You can try to attract those people in those places, but you can't really keep others out. And the others aren't necessarily bad people just because they live somewhere else and share the same interests. I'm sure there's a lot of members here that used to live in CO but moved elsewhere, and remain members here to keep in touch with "home", so to speak.
ChunkyMonkey
11-04-2010, 12:48
Use some CAPS damn it... I never thought I would ever said that. [ROFL1]
Use some CAPS damn it... I never thought I would ever said that. [ROFL1]
LOL , I hear ya ,sorry lazy
You know I almost posted in regards to this a while back but bit my tongue (keyboard).
This is COLORADO AR15.com, not AR15.com.
Note the big key word: COLORADO
I feel that sales should be reserved for in state sales. If you want something that is not found here or want to sell it nationwide go to THAT other site.
Otherwise what is the point of COLORADO AR15?
I really like the fact that this is a local site where the members are supporting fellow COAR members and Industry Partners, we can get to know who we are dealing with and develop a repoir with them and discuss local issues.
I am all for keeping this a local, in state forum, at least when it comes to the sales end of things.
That's all I have to say about that.......[Tooth]
This is what I was going to say but didn't want to jump the shark. [Coffee]
I look at out of state firearms sales with a little skepticism. Why can't you sell it locally?
Let's keep it friendly guys....by excluding everyone else!
Zundfolge
11-04-2010, 16:16
I don't have a problem with out of state folk selling here (as long as its not dealers taking advantage of the free ads or BATFE trying to trick people into buying/selling across state lines without going through an FFL).
If enough of us here don't want to deal with out of state sellers we'll not buy and they'll go away on their own.
Lets let the free market work.
That said, I would like to see the seller's location in every ad (whether you're out of state or not ... I'm less likely to jump on a deal if I have to drive to Grand Junction to do the deal than if they're up in Parker, for example).
As for the example given by the OP, that's a ChiCom AK-47 ... because of import restrictions there aren't a lot of them in the US so they are worth a lot more than your average AK to collectors (but not really worth more to someone that just wants an AK) so finding a buyer for a premium priced AK that is really only premium priced because of vagaries of the market is going to be difficult ... wouldn't surprise me to see them signing up to every shooters forum they can find and still not finding a buyer.
CrufflerSteve
11-04-2010, 16:20
So far it's at an acceptable level. This site lets anyone post for free without much of a hassle and like Elhuero mentions some sites get ruined by whacko admins who enforce their attitudes. Gunbroker and other places are not free so if someone out of state posts a limited number of ads and is not encouraging anybody to break the law, I'm cool with it.
Steve
I don't want to be exclusionary. I am leary of someone who is out of state, with a join date of Nov 2010, first post and they are selling firearms.
Am I weird? Wait, don't answer that.
ChunkyMonkey
11-04-2010, 16:43
I don't want to be exclusionary. I am leary of someone who is out of state, with a join date of Nov 2010, first post and they are selling firearms.
Am I weird? Wait, don't answer that.
All right wing extremists are weird.
CrufflerSteve
11-04-2010, 16:48
Are non-weird people allowed to join here?
Steve
BPTactical
11-04-2010, 17:07
Are non-weird people allowed to join here?
Steve
Yes.
I was allowed to join and I am not "weird".
Grossly mis-understood and twisted, yes but not weird.
[Tooth]
I just found the back door unlocked and snuck in.....
I don't want to be exclusionary. I am leary of someone who is out of state, with a join date of Nov 2010, first post and they are selling firearms.
Am I weird? Wait, don't answer that.
I agree with you on the out of state noobyness with a sale for a first post.
We're all weird in our little ways.[Stooge]
BPTactical
11-04-2010, 17:31
We're all weird in our little ways.[Stooge]
But you a little more than most[Tooth]
SideShow Bob
11-04-2010, 17:35
But you a little more than most[Tooth]
Look who's talking, Seems we have a case of "the pot calling the kettle." [LOL]
I suggested a local board for him that I am active on. After that, I checked in over there, and he has 15 posts
all 15 are "for sale" ads. That said, they have a feedback system and he has no feedback (neither positive or negative)
His AK has been for sale for about a year over there and started off at $1875 (it's no wonder it hasn't sold)
just passing the word
BlasterBob
11-04-2010, 17:56
Are non-weird people allowed to join here?
Steve
Steve, if you are a BP cannon shooter, you certainly should NOT be considered weird.[Tooth]
At least we can still buy Black Powder cannons and mortars across State lines without kissing someone's axe - so far!
You been shooting em lately?
I don't want to be exclusionary. I am leary of someone who is out of state, with a join date of Nov 2010, first post and they are selling firearms.
Am I weird? Wait, don't answer that.
If I had a five cents for everytime someone joined, just to try and sell something since the lights got turned on here, I'd be retired, living in Tahiti...
[Tooth]
If I had a five cents for everytime someone joined, just to try and sell something since the lights got turned on here, I'd be retired, living in Tahiti...
[Tooth]
As it is you just visit your vacation home there 6 months a year?
(Just a personal decision but I'm out of state & a dealer and I won't ever post on the items for sale - that's local men & women and I'm a damn out of state hillbilly. I just like posting & reading here.)
Byte Stryke
11-04-2010, 19:22
Yes.
I was allowed to join and I am not "weird".
Grossly mis-understood and twisted, yes but not weird.
[Tooth]
Sorry, you are my gunsmith, that alone makes you weird by association. :D
I just found the back door unlocked and snuck in.....
So you like the backdoor then? [LOL]
Yeah the whole I have a [gun] for sale for [$$$] and I am in [state other than CO] raises all sorts of flags for me.
I would expect to BUY a Sig swat 5.56 for a $K+ and receive a $50 Wall hanger.
I suggested a local board for him that I am active on. After that, I checked in over there, and he has 15 posts
all 15 are "for sale" ads. That said, they have a feedback system and he has no feedback (neither positive or negative)
His AK has been for sale for about a year over there and started off at $1875 (it's no wonder it hasn't sold)
just passing the word
I saw that thread after I posted here. He is proud of it. Luckily, I live in a state where "preban" hasn't meant much for about 6yrs.
netsecsys
11-04-2010, 23:03
I can understand the apprehension when dealing with someone from out of state.
I have had the pleasure of dealing with folks all over the US (buying and selling guns, knives, computers, etc.) through forums and buy/sell sites. All I could add to the thread is not all out-of-towners are shady. It is pretty easy to do a little homework on the seller/potential buyer through their reputation. (I'm username: netsecsys for ebay, gunbroker, and several other forums). It is pretty clear weather they are a SH*TBIRD or not by their feedback. No rep, no business.
I have only one transaction here and I put my item on the line first for a trade (shipped my item to the other party for view before mine was shipped out). I only use USPS Priority Insured for outgoing (and demand it for incoming) along with USPS Money Orders for making and receiving payments (no personal checks or other money orders) as there is a little protection from mail fraud doing so. When I receive payment for an item, I use the Money Order received for the item to ship it to the buyer at the post office and get the change in cash so I don't have to deal with "waiting for it to clear at the bank". The post office will know if the MO is fake or stolen so I am not worried about shipping only to find out there is a problem with the payment.
I live in Washington State but hope to relocate to the Western Slope after graduating from college (my second attempt 15 years later). My main goal in joining CO-AR15 is meeting folks that I might be neighbors with in the future.
Again, we are not all shady ;)
Thanks.
- Netsecsys
Semper Fi
Byte Stryke
11-05-2010, 00:21
I'm username: netsecsys for ebay
nothing personal on you, I give absolutely no merit in the E-bay system.
Before the paypal thing just broke me to no end and became what it is, I had an ebay account.
When I Didn't receive an item as it was advertised and I left a negative feedback I was threatened, bullied and then banned from that retailer because I Would not "Just change it to a positive". Not that it mattered but someone with 100% positives just tells me either he is a great retailer or a great bully.
Sadly, there is no way to tell the difference.
I trust none of what I hear, none of what I read and only half of what I See.
I make skeptics look naive. :D
netsecsys
11-05-2010, 00:43
nothing personal on you, I give absolutely no merit in the E-bay system.
Before the paypal thing just broke me to no end and became what it is, I had an ebay account.
When I Didn't receive an item as it was advertised and I left a negative feedback I was threatened, bullied and then banned from that retailer because I Would not "Just change it to a positive". Not that it mattered but someone with 100% positives just tells me either he is a great retailer or a great bully.
Sadly, there is no way to tell the difference.
I trust none of what I hear, none of what I read and only half of what I See.
I make skeptics look naive. :D
I can see your point.
I look at their feedback as a seller, as a buyer and left for others. You can tell if they are a bully or not... I think that when a majority of the feedback says: great comms, fast shipping and great to deal with, its a pretty good bet that they are not a SH*TBIRD (a majority of mine are purchases with feedback that says: fast payer and great comms). If I treat all who I deal with the way I want to be treated, I normally end up on the dry side of the bed ;) but I only have 185 feedback @100% on ebay so YMMV.
Thanks!
- netsecsys
Semper Fi
Look who's talking, Seems we have a case of "the pot calling the kettle." [LOL]
Werd![ROFL1]
As it is you just visit your vacation home there 6 months a year?
(Just a personal decision but I'm out of state & a dealer and I won't ever post on the items for sale - that's local men & women and I'm a damn out of state hillbilly. I just like posting & reading here.)
I think you should post items for sale, we all have FFLs here that can receive from you. You might have something sitting that one of us REALLY wants.
BPTactical
11-05-2010, 07:48
Werd![ROFL1]
That would be : WORD
[Beer]
That would be : WORD
[Beer]
HAH![Flower]
http://daryld.com/schtuff/microsoft_werd.jpg
I live in Washington State but hope to relocate to the Western Slope after graduating from college (my second attempt 15 years later). My main goal in joining CO-AR15 is meeting folks that I might be neighbors with in the future.
Again, we are not all shady ;)
Thanks.
- Netsecsys
Semper Fi
Uhhh! I hate people from Washington. [Rant2]:D
Don't worry, it took me 14yrs to get back here after my first visit.
If I wanted to buy something out of state it would be through Gunbroker or an FLL in a private party sale.
But it would have to a great deal on something I can't get here in order to consider that route.
I have dealt with a lot of people on ar15.com from out of state.
It is just odd to have them come on here. best thing is to use common sense and have some sort of protection for yourself as far as payment goes.
when an FFL is involved, unless the guy has good street cred...or interweb cred in this case, I would suggest the gun be shipped to the FFL first, once it is received, then payment sent, then the transfer accomplished. On cheaper items a USPS money order is the way to go. If he scams you, it becomes a federal case and get the local police involved ASAP. make sure everything is insured as well.
I have seen some seemingly shady things posted on here, but once you add in all the shipping and FFL fees most of the time a good FTF deal is just an average deal when it is all said and done.
netsecsys
11-06-2010, 00:44
Uhhh! I hate people from Washington. [Rant2]:D
Don't worry, it took me 14yrs to get back here after my first visit.
Thanks a lot... ;)
I actually bought some property outside of Alamosa quite a while ago but would like to make it to the western slope as my wife couldn't deal with taking pictures of tundra all day long.
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