Remington must be slackin'

[Byte Stryke]

http://www.bsdgames.com/Tex/Web/saber.jpg

out of the factory box

makes me wonder what else is fucked up with these.
Anyone else seen anything like this from an allegedly higher end ammunition?

For those not in the know, This is a Remington Golden Saber JHP Defense round... ~$40 a box (25)

[funkfool]

Friday afternoon ammo...
sweet!
Send them a pic with the lot # and they'll probably send you a free box.

[Elhuero]

did you buy that or find it on the web?

I'm sure if you make them aware they'll make things right.

But yeah, never seen anything like that before.

I did, however see a taurus .357 blow up on it's first round out of the box.

[Scanker19]

Although not as bad, i just bought a box of winchester 9mm, the 100rd box, and most of the brass has black stains on them. Tried to find a way to contact them but could not find anything on their website.

They shot okay after a good inspection.

[sniper7]

doesn't make me want to buy remington

[Byte Stryke]

did you buy that or find it on the web?

Always the Skeptic...
http://www.bsdgames.com/Tex/Web/saber2.jpg

Batteriesnare also saw it at the range today.

I have the carton they came in but I am not seeing a Lot Number
I have a UPC and a "GS45APA" but it looks to be more of a static stamp with the rest of the box as opposed to a dynamic stamp that would change from Lot to Lot.

I have sent them an email, we will see what comes of it.

[Batteriesnare]

Hmmm.....Looks familiar

[hurley842002]

I'm quite fond of Remington products, so that is surely disappointing to say the least. Like others have said, i'm sure if you contact them, they will make it right.

On a side note, i'm by no means trying to downplay Remington's lack of QC in this instance, but can you imagine how many times someone opens a box of ammo, and finds something like this? I'm talking about all brands to be specific. The shear number of folks that shoot, compared to the number that actually get on public forums and make the issue public.

[Byte Stryke]

doesn't make me want to buy Remington

I mean if it were cheaper range ammo in a bulk box I wouldn't be so butt-hurt, but daayumm... this is supposed to be the good shit.

Ive gotten the crate of 500 rounds of American Eagle and had one screwed up in it and just dumped it in the dud box. I think everyone has at one time or another.

[Byte Stryke]

Hmmm.....Looks familiar
haha [ROFL1]
it should

Gave you and the guys Props (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30145)
I Guess from now on I will just bring one at a time :D

[sniper7]

I mean if it were cheaper range ammo in a bulk box I wouldn't be so butt-hurt, but daayumm... this is supposed to be the good shit.

Ive gotten the crate of 500 rounds of American Eagle and had one screwed up in it and just dumped it in the dud box. I think everyone has at one time or another.


I would think their quality control would be better.

I won't buy much from remington anymore because i hate their .22 ammo. the golden bullets SUCK!!!!

and I have 5 10/22s and not one of them likes it, so i know it isn't the gun.
a ruger MKII and a walther P22 and a revolver .22 and none of them like it so I know it is the ammo.

all of those guns like federal though, and the winchester.

I am becoming more and more of a hornady fan. Winchester has been hit or miss for me depending on what the ammo is for. hunting rounds have always been good, their bulk reloading .224 bullets I really found the quality to lack compared to hornady and even remington.

I haven't shot remingtons high end pistol rounds, but this doesn't really make me want to!

[Byte Stryke]

OK the "finding" of a defective round in my defensive ammunition has me questioning Remington's entire production process as well as their quality control standards.

I don't have time to reload something else if I have Fail to fire or if I have a round buckle up due to a defective casing or some other quality related issue.

I need it to work on time, every time as designed.

Some might say "Man, that's a 1 in 1 million chance."
Maybe I need to go play the Lotto then, seems I am lucky like that.

Just looking for suggestions other than Remington.

Not shooting Elk with it... Unless of course the elk attacks.

SA XD .45ACP

[Graves]

I do know you're paying waaay too much for your ammo. ATG usually sells their 25rd boxes GS for $16-$17 per. I've personally ran two boxes of this (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/50rds-45-acp-winchester-ranger-talon-230gr-hp-ammo/cName/45-acp-hollow-point-ammo) stuff through the XD you now own. [Beer]

[Irving]

I admit that I don't really know anything about how they do their ammo, but I have a strong suspicion that just because it is the expensive defense ammo, doesn't mean that they don't just run the machines or do any extra quality control. Just my opinion of course.

[mx'r]

Great. I've got 500 rounds of GS in .45. Guess I know what I'm doing this weekend. Inspector gadget..

[BigBear]

Just looking for suggestions other than Remington.


FYI, I've used Winchester Ranger HP line and they've always worked great... I haven't found a bad round. (Not to say they don't exist, I just haven't seen one.)

[Byte Stryke]

OK,

So far its:

Winchester.... 2
Hornady ....... 0
Federal .........0
Remington.... -1

[BigBear]

hehe, mark a +1 for Federal too. I use some of their .45 HP's and they are GREAT!!! Cara did have one FTE, but it was her fault (limpwrist) not the firearm. They worked great for me.

[sabot_round]

Hornady's XTP is the way to go!!

[sabot_round]

I also run Hornady's critical defense through several of my firearms. Those are great cartridges too.

[OgenRwot]

I admit that I don't really know anything about how they do their ammo, but I have a strong suspicion that just because it is the expensive defense ammo, doesn't mean that they don't just run the machines or do any extra quality control. Just my opinion of course.

This. Factory ammo, even "premium", is still factory ammo.

I reload but I still use factory for defense rounds. Of course I inspect them to make sure I don't have one of these but I don't expect a ton out of quality control when they are pumping out thousands of rounds a day.

[Byte Stryke]

Updated

Winchester.... 2
Hornady ....... 1
Federal .........1
CorBon..........1
Remington.... -1

[Byte Stryke]

This. Factory ammo, even "premium", is still factory ammo.

I reload but I still use factory for defense rounds. Of course I inspect them to make sure I don't have one of these but I don't expect a ton out of quality control when they are pumping out thousands of rounds a day.


see now we come to another issue.
I have read several times that the most feed failures that XDs experience are commonly from reloads, which gets into a whole other ball of wax that I don't want to visit here.

[sabot_round]

see now we come to another issue.
I have read several times that the most feed failures that XDs experience are commonly from reloads, which gets into a whole other ball of wax that I don't want to visit here.

That to me is hogwash!! I've reloaded 45ACP for an XD in both HP and FMJ, and I've fired hundreds of reloads without issues.

[Byte Stryke]

That to me is hogwash!! I've reloaded 45ACP for an XD in both HP and FMJ, and I've fired hundreds of reloads without issues.
I was simply stating what I had read here (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25301)in our poly forums.(Yes I Research before I buy/Trade)
I am not stating it as fact, I was only saying that I had read it and would like to avoid that particular topic entirely. In consideration of the fact that I don't reload, it has no relevance to my situation.


Back to the Factory loads suggestions
Thank you

[hurley842002]

You can add one each for Winchester Ranger, and Federal HST. I typically carry the Ranger 127gr +p+ the majority of the year, and will switch to the 147gr HST's once it gets cold out, for thicker clothing penetration. I've shot a couple hundred rounds of each, and never had an issue. The Rangers are very accurate, I hit a clay pigeon at around 75 yards with my G19, not a huge feat but I was impressed.

[sabot_round]

I was simply stating what I had read here (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25301)in our poly forums.(Yes I Research before I buy/Trade)
I am not stating it as fact, I was only saying that I had read it and would like to avoid that particular topic entirely. In consideration of the fact that I don't reload, it has no relevance to my situation.


Back to the Factory loads suggestions
Thank you

Byte,
I wasn't taking a jab at you, I was refering to the readings that you spoke of. I apologize if I came accross a little too harsh.

[ChunkyMonkey]

All I am saying is I am having Pangsit for dinner!

[Irving]

Of all the defense rounds I've fired, I've never shot anyone with them, so I have no idea if they worked or not.

[ERNO]

Instead of Remington sending you a box, they ought to send you a free case of ammo.
I was at our 200 yd. range about 3 months ago, this guy came up to a group of us. He had just bought what looked to us like a brand new box of 7 mm. Rem. Mag. Core-Lokt, at a local gun store. Early'er he had opened the box and noticed two different colored primer's seated in the primer pockets. He ask the group why that they would different? One of the group took a better inspection of the rounds and noticed extractor marks on the casing's and pronounced to that person that he just bought a box of reloads.
Of course the old rule is: that a person should inspect each and every round before it is loaded in the firearm.
My 30-06 Sako Model 75, likes Remington Core-Lokt Ultra's real well.
Also I've had two SQUIB LOADS {bullet stuck in barrel} in two of my pistol's with the cheapest Remington Thunderbolt 22lr ammo.
In my 454 Casull Ruger Super Redhawk, the Hornady XTP's spent shell casing's stick in the cylinder upon ejection.
No problem with 454 Corbon ammo, Winchester, Federal or Magtech.

[oinco]

I would have to flip a coin between Hornady TAP and DoubleTap.....very consistent and peppy.....would probably lean towards Doubletap.

[Byte Stryke]

Of all the defense rounds I've fired, I've never shot anyone with them, so I have no idea if they worked or not.

BUT
You trusted that if the situation Arose that it was a life or death matter, That they would work, Correct?

[Irving]

I carry a FMJ rounds that I bought at Walmart for my defense rounds, if that tells you anything.

[Byte Stryke]

REALLY leaning towards the Hornady

I like the XTP (http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-200-gr-XTP/)
available in 185/200 Grain

debate, argue, suggest

[hurley842002]

As far as the XTP is concerned, from everything i've read, they are Outstanding bullets for hunting. They are tough as nails and perform great. With that said, they don't expand as much as your average HP, and because of this, are deep penetrators. That is something you will need to decide if your okay with or not. Other than just putting a Few XTP's downrange, I don't have any experience with them, hunting or otherwise. Most of my information on these, has come from Glocktalk, so take it for what it's worth.

[Byte Stryke]

Just keeping you guys updated on the situation:
http://www.bsdgames.com/Tex/Web/letter.jpg

[Anton]

At least they, apparently, give a shit.

[StagLefty]

REALLY leaning towards the Hornady

I like the XTP (http://www.hornady.com/store/45-ACP-200-gr-XTP/)
available in 185/200 Grain

debate, argue, suggest

No feedback on the XTP but wondering about their new Critical Defense rounds I see advertised but can't find anywhere.

[SA Friday]

Whaaaaat? Stop being so butt-hurt and just go shoot the thing off.... This whole thread is filled with the tears of whiners. Cowboy the hell up.[Coffee]

BTW, it's only shitty reloads that jam, and this event happens in any gun regardless of the manufacturer.

Rem Core-Loc is quite literally MOA or less in every rifle I have ever owned, and it's cheaper than anything else and the bullets work on game. Best stuff on the market for the money.

Rem 165gr 40 S&W is some of the hottest 40 cal loads ever made, and does bad thing to bad people. Go pay your extra dollars for your fancy fru-fru golden do hicky super expando hoodie-whatsit. I'm good with the cheap, hot, stuff that gets carried by multiple agencies out there after testing. I practice my reloads and carry an extra mag. I don't believe in the magic bullet theories.

I would have shot it off and tossed the brass and gone on with life... It's handgun ammo.

[Byte Stryke]

Whaaaaat? Stop being so butt-hurt and just go shoot the thing off.... This whole thread is filled with the tears of whiners. Cowboy the hell up.[Coffee]
Thought we were discussing safety, quality and customer service... what is with the broke back mountain tangent?

BTW, it's only shitty reloads that jam, and this event happens in any gun regardless of the manufacturer.
Already stated, we aren't discussing the reload thing...

Rem Core-Loc is quite literally MOA or less in every rifle I have ever owned, and it's cheaper than anything else and the bullets work on game. Best stuff on the market for the money.
Thaaaats greaat, happy for you, we aren't talking rifle. try to focus

Rem 165gr 40 S&W is some of the hottest 40 cal loads ever made, and does bad thing to bad people. Go pay your extra dollars for your fancy fru-fru golden do hicky super expando hoodie-whatsit. I'm good with the cheap, hot, stuff that gets carried by multiple agencies out there after testing. I practice my reloads and carry an extra mag. I don't believe in the magic bullet theories.
We're are doing .45ACP, I bought those on reputation and recomendation, and I Dont reload... again, FOCUS!

I would have shot it off and tossed the brass and gone on with life... It's handgun ammo.



you are absolutely correct sir!
Im Going to the range this evening
I will report back tomorrow

[Byte Stryke]

The following post is for informational purposes only and intended to show that a customer insisting on a quality product is not in the wrong.

Well, Obviously I like my hands and face where they are so I didn't actually fire the defective round. The very thought went the wrong way.
But I Did take some of the seemingly wiser suggestions and I have received a response.
http://www.bsdgames.com/Tex/Web/rem.jpg

It's not a case of Ammunition but they made it right, admitted that it shouldn't have left the factory and gave me an extra.
:D

flame on if you must. I feel better about the whole incident.

http://www.bsdgames.come/Tex/Web/rem.jpg