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Waiting for details.
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-shooting-range-shooting-txt,0,5567489.story
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=163820&catid=339
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16621189
fuckin' great, now they're going to close it down too.
Not likely, look at how many folks have been shot, committed suicide and what not at Firing line!
Not likely, look at how many folks have been shot, committed suicide and what not at Firing line!
I'm with BadShot on this, and the fact that it generates quite alot of revenue for the state makes me think that it is very unlikely. But I guess only time will tell.
ronaldrwl
11-15-2010, 18:26
I've been there about 20 times. It's the safest range to shoot at.
patrick0685
11-15-2010, 18:29
that sucks, i dont like the place but its close and easy, i hope the families are NOT dicks and sue the place
I've been there about 20 times. It's the safest range to shot at.
Thanks in part to the range nazi ROs...
Colorado Luckydog
11-15-2010, 18:54
I hope it was an accident and not a suicide/homicide.
hurley842002
11-15-2010, 19:02
i hope the families are dicks and sue the place
Yeah, because we need more people suing State Agencies/Organizations. [Bang]
cognitive dissonance
11-15-2010, 19:05
sorry - missed this thread and started another one. It was two 29 year-old women shooting from one lane. Both head shots. One dead. Police not seeking any other suspects at this time. (KOA radio news, 6 PM)
patrick0685
11-15-2010, 19:08
im not trying to be disrespectful just fyi
patrick0685
11-15-2010, 19:10
sorry - missed this thread and started another one. It was two 29 year-old women shooting from one lane. Both head shots. One dead. Police not seeking any other suspects at this time. (KOA radio news, 6 PM)
on purpose???
patrick0685
11-15-2010, 19:11
Lesbian lovers..?????
haha, not anymore
Not likely, look at how many folks have been shot, committed suicide and what not at Firing line!
Thats because the owner is a A******, an probably upon meeting him the individual looses all respect for mankind.
two dead, both headshots, not looking for suspects..... murder/suicide.
I hate that range. Freakin' NAZIs run that place. They treat everyone like an idiot. They look over your shoulder and offer unsolicited advice and think they are the SHIZ.
Personally, I couldn't care less if that range closed.
In any event the incident sounds weird. I wonder if it was some type of suicide pact gone bad...
Remember what mother told you....
funkfool
11-15-2010, 20:47
I've been there about 20 times. It's the safest range to get shot at.
Fixed it for ya...
Sorry to hear about this.. what makes folks do this?
funkfool
11-15-2010, 20:49
Remember what mother told you....
Eat yo peas?
Eat you peas?
If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.[Muaha]
I am just wondering what the backstory is. I am checking 3 or 4 news stations and no recent updates.
and I was going to go out there today, glad I didn't show up at 2
trlcavscout
11-15-2010, 22:01
Its on channel 13 news now, the one is still alive.
TriggerHappy
11-15-2010, 22:09
I hate that range. Freakin' NAZIs run that place. They treat everyone like an idiot. They look over your shoulder and offer unsolicited advice and think they are the SHIZ.
Personally, I couldn't care less if that range closed.
In any event the incident sounds weird. I wonder if it was some type of suicide pact gone bad...
2 of my buddies work the range there. I agreed with you before I actually saw and heard stories. They can be nazi's but kind of have to be since they deal with most of Denver's "idiots" and I have given un-solicited advice there as well. Really the only reason I do go is because they work there, otherwise I would be going somewhere else.
TriggerHappy
11-15-2010, 22:11
that sucks, i dont like the place but its close and easy, i hope the families are dicks and sue the place
Quit being a schmuck. That is like saying the guns didn't kill them, the shooting range did. Great message. It could have happened anywhere.
ChunkyMonkey
11-15-2010, 22:40
It could have happened anywhere.
+1! Shit happens. I hope she recovers and is able to tell wth happened.
Troublco
11-15-2010, 22:49
I have a buddy who works there part time as well, and he tells some real interesting stories of some of the folks he has to deal with. I'm sure that they just wind up glassy-eyed after dealing with a large percentage of idiots along with the people who actually know what they're doing. He's a good guy, but after having lots of people swing the muzzle around on you (especially when you're pretty sure it's loaded) and other stupid people tricks I'd tend toward safe rather than sorry too.
It sounds like an accident, I bet it was only one bullet.
jason303
11-15-2010, 22:58
Granted I've only been there once, but I found the range staff to be courteous and helpful. I shot there a half day and never felt the staff was overbearing.
I'm watching 9 news so we will see
Wow pretty vague on details
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 00:36
Quit being a schmuck. That is like saying the guns didn't kill them, the shooting range did. Great message. It could have happened anywhere.
first off if your going to be a dick it was the bullet that killed her not the gun, second in the society that we live in today i could very easily see the family sue the range or the state for that matter because they shouldnt have allowed them to shoot or some other bs, and third yes it can happen anywhere assuming they brought there own gun, if they rented then it could only happen at a place that rented guns, accidents can happen anywhere i mean your well trained buddies could shoot a hole in there house who knows
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 00:38
Granted I've only been there once, but I found the range staff to be courteous and helpful. I shot there a half day and never felt the staff was overbearing.
must have been a good day
TriggerHappy
11-16-2010, 00:57
must have been a good day
+1
TriggerHappy
11-16-2010, 01:09
first off if your going to be a dick it was the bullet that killed her not the gun, second in the society that we live in today i could very easily see the family sue the range or the state for that matter because they shouldnt have allowed them to shoot or some other bs, and third yes it can happen anywhere assuming they brought there own gun, if they rented then it could only happen at a place that rented guns, accidents can happen anywhere i mean your well trained buddies could shoot a hole in there house who knows
Bullets don't shoot themselves. I could see the family sue the range too, but that is BS, we all know that. I wouldnt want to see them get sued, it wasnt the ranges fault. Thats why you sign a liability form.
So are you saying that a gun range shouldnt be allowed to rent a gun to an american? Or anyone in that matter? Some people arent as lucky as us to be brought up around guns and this culture. Everyone should have the opportunity, yes i agree that there should be some guidlines, but self preservation normally takes over. Just by watchig NBC you should make the relation that people can kill people with guns, dont pioint at things you do not want to destroy, etc. Sometimes its just natrual selection.
[Bang]
I am agreeing with you "accidents can happen", and this has nothing to do with a AD or ND into a wall.
i hope the families are dicks and sue the place
I was defending the range, I hope the families are not dicks, the media will get a hold of it and there is another shit storm against guns and guns owners.
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 01:11
Bullets don't shoot themselves. I could see the family sue the range too, but that is BS, we all know that. I wouldnt want to see them get sued, it wasnt the ranges fault. Thats why you sign a liability form.
So are you saying that a gun range shouldnt be allowed to rent a gun to an american? Or anyone in that matter? Some people arent as lucky as us to be brought up around guns and this culture. Everyone should have the opportunity, yes i agree that there should be some guidlines, but self preservation normally takes over. Just by watchig NBC you should make the relation that people can kill people with guns, dont pioint at things you do not want to destroy, etc. Sometimes its just natrual selection.
[Bang]
I am agreeing with you "accidents can happen", and this has nothing to do with a AD or ND into a wall.
I was defending the range, I hope the families are not dicks, the media will get a hold of it and there is another shit storm against guns and guns owners.
well there is the problem, i forgot to put the not in there damn i will fix it for you
TriggerHappy
11-16-2010, 01:12
That makes sense, I was WAY suprised to read that from you. I take the "schmuck" comment back.
[Beer]
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 01:19
Bullets don't shoot themselves.
at that same point most guns dont shoot themselves either, and if they do there is normally some sort of failure, ill agree my original statement was incorrect as I forgot the NOT. I do believe that ppl should be able to rent i dont even think that you have to be american. Im somewhat glad the camera didnt have a good view of the lane because if it did the video would be on msnbc or fox or some news channel tomorrow.
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 01:23
JUST FYI: my first post had an error (thinking faster than i can type) so i would like to clarify my original statement, I in NO way hope that the range gets: closed down, sued, or they make any drastic changes over this incident, i hope the owner will continue to run the range and that this does not in any way denture the state from allowing ranges in the future.
Patrick
TriggerHappy
11-16-2010, 01:33
I guess I could have called you and asked WTF? But effin with you on here was way more fun.
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 01:37
I guess I could have called you and asked WTF? But effin with you on here was way more fun.
not like im bored at work, its alright as my boy JT says "what goes around comes back around" hahaha[ROFL1][Beer]
maccrazy2
11-16-2010, 01:50
It was a dual suicide, both self inflicted. Spoke to people who were there today. I hope they do not shut the place down, I like shooting trap there.
patrick0685
11-16-2010, 02:02
It was a dual suicide, both self inflicted. Spoke to people who were there today. I hope they do not shut the place down, I like shooting trap there.
so did they other lady die too then? any more details?
Wow, couldn't you pick a better place to do that shit? Go out in the fucking woods or something.
HBARleatherneck
11-16-2010, 04:05
wait.............there is a shooting range in denver? with real guns?
One of the women is still in the hospital according to the news I heard and read this morning.
battle_sight_zero
11-16-2010, 07:27
I have used the rifle range at least 10 times and as recent as last week sighting in a hunting rifle. To me it is a nice and close range to test or sight in a rifle before a hunting trip when you dont have alot of time. Not once were the range folks overbearing or rude. I have never received any unsolicted advice from the range staff on any visit in fact they usally ask me how did I do at the end, or compliment my toys. I have fired bolt rifles, M1As, AKs and ARs at the range. You cant double tap or rapid fire at the range, but you can do a nice steady fire and properily get your rifles sighted in. I never have had pressure to get off the range because of a wait for a spot. I have had to wait a bit to get a spot but nothing excessive. The only thing I dislike so far is the 2 rifle limit. If you bring more you have to pay extra. I would hate to see this range close since there is nothing else in the area. To me everytime a range closes or shooting area is put off limits it is another win for gun control! We need more places like this.
To me this sounds like a suicide/suicide attempt or murder/suicide. Who knows but either way it is not the ranges fault. I have seen some unsafe actions of people innitally when they were setting up, but the so called range Nazis did their jobs and squared the users away. During shooting never seen any crazy actions. It will be intersting to see what the motives were. Jilted lovers, jealous sisters, spiteful friends?
I want to defend the RO's here. I go to that range at least once a month and have been for the last several years. Doug H. is a stand up guy and the RO's do their jobs very well. Yea, a lot of guys bitch about no double taps etc. but consider the yahoos that show up once a year to sight in their hunting guns after dusting them off from the previous season. I have seen way too many shooters there that seem to be completely incompetent, oblivious, and incoherent, that need to be babysat the whole time they are there to keep everyone else safe. I'm glad the RO's are "nazi". I wouldn't want it any other way!
ghettodub
11-16-2010, 08:50
that would have been crazy to be there when that happened. I go there at lunch from time to time to shoot, and I'm glad I didn't go yesterday
I see your point. But why treat everyone like an idiot? Thats what LAPD does (treats everyone like a felon), and it pisses me off.
If you observe idiotic behavior, fine talk and mentor those people...
One of the times I was there and they called cease fire for a target change, and the guy is walking up and down the lanes checking that the handguns are pointed down range and the action open, he comes to mine and yells with a tone in his voice; "Whose gun is this", "You need to lock the action open"...
The dipwad doesn't look close enough to see that the my micro-eagle doesn't lock with the action open.
I want to defend the RO's here. I go to that range at least once a month and have been for the last several years. Doug H. is a stand up guy and the RO's do their jobs very well. Yea, a lot of guys bitch about no double taps etc. but consider the yahoos that show up once a year to sight in their hunting guns after dusting them off from the previous season. I have seen way too many shooters there that seem to be completely incompetent, oblivious, and incoherent, that need to be babysat the whole time they are there to keep everyone else safe. I'm glad the RO's are "nazi". I wouldn't want it any other way!
Morgan338LM
11-16-2010, 09:18
Fox 31 just reported it as a possible suicide pact, at least they're not spinning it into something making shooting ranges seem unsafe and dangerous
BPTactical
11-16-2010, 09:30
I will defend the RO's and the range as well. I think they run a safe and clean range. If they come across as "Range Nazis" it is because they take their role seriously as they should. Think of the bumbling Ass Hats they have to deal with daily.
As far as the 2 gals-
Sounds like a Thelma and Louise minus the car.
StagLefty
11-16-2010, 09:41
I will defend the RO's and the range as well. I think they run a safe and clean range. If they come across as "Range Nazis" it is because they take their role seriously as they should. Think of the bumbling Ass Hats they have to deal with daily.
^ +1 I actually took my NRA Instructor classes 16 yrs. ago with the owner-Doug. I worked with him and Charlie-tall,skinny,bearded guy for years in the Scout program. They run a good safe range. You have no idea what running a public range can be like until you do it [Beer]
Byte Stryke
11-16-2010, 11:06
I've been there about 20 times. It's the safest range to shoot at.
I told myself that I Wasn't going to participate Here, but I Sort of need to voice something.
I was told the reason they treat everyone the way they do is they have to assume "the lowest common denominator."
We aren't wearing a Badge that says " X years Active service as <Combat Arms>", "4x IDPA Champion", or "Master NRA Super instructor". They look at everyone and are required to assume "Idiot".
Its a safer assumption for everyone there.
The Micro eagle thing?.. everyone makes mistakes, and it could probably have been handled better. "Hey, does your weapons action lock open?"
I've had a run in with one of the ROs, he was mistaken, corrections were made and that's that.
I am not crazy about the inconsistency in rules... but life is dynamic and I Accept that (if begrudgingly). :D
The complaint about "unsolicited advice."
Right or wrong, no one knows everything. The day my ego overtakes my desire to learn, I stop learning, we close the casket.
All in all I Think its a fairly nice range, there is always room for improvement but they are working hard at safety in what can be a 3 ring circus at times.
For a good laugh, go on a weekend afternoon and watch the geniuses walk up 10 minutes before closing with 6 and 7 weapons wanting to shoot.
I Drive the extra miles to go there rather than save time and gas going to the firing line...
I also have to stick up for these guys. It's a well known range in town so you know they have to put up with a lot of unsafe characters and actions. I would rather think "That RO's a dick" than be swept with muzzles and have an accidental gunshot wound because they don't care.
The first time I ever went to a range, a guy a few booths down from me shot himself in the foot with a Millennium Pro 9.
Byte Stryke
11-16-2010, 11:25
The first time I ever went to a range, a guy a few booths down from me shot himself in the foot with a Millennium Pro 9.
They look at everyone and are required to assume "Idiot".
Its a safer assumption for everyone there.
case in point :D
BPTactical
11-16-2010, 11:31
If you payed money for a Taurus Millenium you are an idiot and deserve to shoot yourself in the foot.[Tooth]
About the same class firearm as a Lorcin, Bryco or Jennings.
trlcavscout
11-16-2010, 11:32
This is why I dont go to public ranges unless its for work or I have to. I like them assume everyone else at the range is an idiot, and it doesnt take long to see that most are. If I cant shoot multiple targets, double taps etc it would be a waste of money to go. I cant see paying to go shoot anyways.
trlcavscout
11-16-2010, 11:33
If you payed money for a Taurus Millenium you are an idiot and deserve to shoot yourself in the foot.[Tooth]
About the same class firearm as a Lorcin, Bryco or Jennings.
Wow I cant believe you are slamming Jennings like that! [ROFL1]
ChunkyMonkey
11-16-2010, 11:53
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16627243
Cherry Creek shooting range victims are twins
Two women shot — one fatally and the other critically — at an Arapahoe County gun range are twins, according to Arapahoe County Sheriff's Capt. Louie Perea.
The shootings happened Monday afternoon at the Family Shooting Center at Cherry Creek State Park southeast of Denver.
Both of the 29-year-old women were shot in the head. Their names have not been released.
The surviving victim went through surgery this morning at a Denver area hospital and she remains in stable but critical condition, Perea said.
Investigators are still trying to piece together what happened.
"We have not had the opportunity to interview the victim at the hospital. It obviously is going to depend on her condition," Perea said.
Perea said that until the investigation is further along, investigators won't say whether the gunfire was accidental or intentional.
Doug Hamilton, the owner of the range, said the women were using small-caliber guns and were shot nearly simultaneously.
There were more than 20 people at the range at the time of the shooting, but no one noticed a disagreement before the shooting, according to investigators.
None of them had a direct view of the shooting, either, authorities said. Surveillance cameras did not capture the shooting itself but indicated the incident was confined to a single shooting lane. No one else was seen going in or leaving before the women were discovered.
"A lot of people come out here. We run a very, very safe range," Hamilton told 9News. "People shouldn't be afraid to come out."
Read more: Cherry Creek shooting range victims are twins - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16627243#ixzz15T8zUAqV
I guess it jammed and he was trying to push the slide back by pushing it onto the shooting table/counter. Pulled the trigger and shot his foot.
So, were these rental guns, or did they bring their own? If they were their own guns I do not understand why they went to a range to do this. That is inconsiderate.
29 year old female twins . . . were they fat? Damn, suicide is pretty extreme unless you're in the final stages of cancer or facing life in prison. I'll bet this turns out to be over something stupid like credit card debt. Sounds like a couple of delusional drama queens. Sucks that they did this at a shooting range.
StagLefty
11-16-2010, 12:36
So, were these rental guns, or did they bring their own? If they were their own guns I do not understand why they went to a range to do this. That is inconsiderate.
29 year old female twins . . . were they fat? Damn, suicide is pretty extreme unless you're in the final stages of cancer or facing life in prison. I'll bet this turns out to be over something stupid like credit card debt. Sounds like a couple of delusional drama queens. Sucks that they did this at a shooting range.
WTF [Mad]
WTF [Mad]
Too much National Enquirer. [Roll1]
Good luck getting an "accurate" account from the media.
WTF [Mad]
Sorry. Poor attempt to make light of a bad situation.
29 year old twins shooting each other in the head at a public shooting range seems like something that would belong in the National Enquirer. WTF indeed. That is downright nutty.
I'm saddened by this event, the fact that two sisters attempted suicide is just mind-boggling, regardless of where it happened. Right before the holidays too. God help them and their family.
I've never been to this range. Went once, the "park entrance fee" kinda pissed me off and drove me away. But, I live in Parker and this place is closer than Ben Lomond, so I've been tempted to check it out. I'd at least like to do some sight-in work.
Is this a decent place? Is it indoors or outdoors? Shooting distances? I'm kinda baffled about there being an outdoor public range at a state park, within a metro area, completely surrounded by humanity, houses, buildings, etc. Just wondering how the place works and survives in the middle of town.
For my serious all-day plinking and blasting I'll go to BLGC since I'm a member, but I'd like to have a closer place to just dial in scopes and red-dots, maybe check reloads. Is this place worth the entry costs? I've also been concerned about the possibility of "gang-banger" types there, considering the location. I don't go to the Firing Line anymore because of those fools. I hate indoor public ranges anyway, wouldn't mind having my own private one though.
HBARleatherneck
11-16-2010, 15:35
now they are saying they arent even Americans. so Australians have to come here and drive up our firearm death statistics? WTF
StagLefty
11-16-2010, 15:36
I'm saddened by this event, the fact that two sisters attempted suicide is just mind-boggling, regardless of where it happened. Right before the holidays too. God help them and their family.
I've never been to this range. Went once, the "park entrance fee" kinda pissed me off and drove me away. But, I live in Parker and this place is closer than Ben Lomond, so I've been tempted to check it out. I'd at least like to do some sight-in work.
Is this a decent place? Is it indoors or outdoors? Shooting distances? I'm kinda baffled about there being an outdoor public range at a state park, within a metro area, completely surrounded by humanity, houses, buildings, etc. Just wondering how the place works and survives in the middle of town.
For my serious all-day plinking and blasting I'll go to BLGC since I'm a member, but I'd like to have a closer place to just dial in scopes and red-dots, maybe check reloads. Is this place worth the entry costs? I've also been concerned about the possibility of "gang-banger" types there, considering the location. I don't go to the Firing Line anymore because of those fools. I hate indoor public ranges anyway, wouldn't mind having my own private one though.
Hope this helps : http://www.familyshootingcenter.com/
I see your point. But why treat everyone like an idiot? Thats what LAPD does (treats everyone like a felon), and it pisses me off.
If you observe idiotic behavior, fine talk and mentor those people...
One of the times I was there and they called cease fire for a target change, and the guy is walking up and down the lanes checking that the handguns are pointed down range and the action open, he comes to mine and yells with a tone in his voice; "Whose gun is this", "You need to lock the action open"...
The dipwad doesn't look close enough to see that the my micro-eagle doesn't lock with the action open.
Hello AR ART,
I've never seen a micro-eagle. I'm assuming its a semi-auto. But may I make a suggestion? It does'nt matter what kind of firearm it is {besides smokepoles, which is another set of rules}. During a ceasefire, that firearm has to have its action LOCKED OPEN! It means that if it does not lock back on its own after the last round it still has to be open. I would suggest that you get a plastic "open chamber indicator" as all of the shooting ranges should be required to have as my shooting range does. Get your "OCI", and at least open that slide or action a little bit, where you can stick that OCI in. That is sufficient for the rule " ACTIONS LOCKED OPEN."
I'm assuming you Denverites have had a problem with a couple of "Lord of the Range" types who wanted to take the law into there own hands and try to do themselves in. Sorry to hear about that and I hope the shooter was a bad enough shot to where the victim can recover. The RSO's can only do so much and my sympathy's to them and there families, as well as too the rest of the staff and its range members as well.
Erno
now they are saying they arent even Americans. so Australians have to come here and drive up our firearm death statistics? WTF
well they can't have guns in Australia, and sucide by sword would be well,,,
They can have guns, it's just VERY restrictive and they have to justify the gun... for instance, no one can have a .50 because the authority can't find a "reason/justification" for owning it.
jerrymrc
11-16-2010, 16:15
well they can't have guns in Australia, and sucide by sword would be well,,,
Yes they can. Though the laws are strange. A friend of mine had to convert his 45 1911 to another smaller caliber and he no longer has his L1A1 Fal but he does have many other guns.
I have been known to be a Range Nazi a time or two. I also agree with ERNO that if your gun does not lock back or BHO (most AK's) then you need a chamber flag. Makes the RO's happy and people like me happy.
On the matches that I have run I like to see chamber flags and at many events it is mandatory. Cheap piece of mind for $1.99
I do hope the media do not see some of the posts and think that the members here advocate the shut down and suing of ranges.
It is sad that if it is a suicide that they had to do it at a range.
Just some thoughts.
Its a strange and sad world we live in.
Hope this helps : http://www.familyshootingcenter.com/
Thanks! Website looks different from the last time I peeked.
rockhound
11-16-2010, 16:32
They can have guns, it's just VERY restrictive and they have to justify the gun... for instance, no one can have a .50 because the authority can't find a "reason/justification" for owning it.
uh, how about charging rhinos, really big crocodiles, rabid kangaroos, i can think of lots of reason for a .50
uh, how about charging rhinos, really big crocodiles, rabid kangaroos, i can think of lots of reason for a .50
lol, might be justified in the person's eyes but they have to get approval from some desk jockey. I actually used to have a form (MIL is an Aussie) for their firearm registration. I'll see if I can't dig it up and snap a pic to post.
Don't forget them pesky Koala's
BPTactical
11-16-2010, 16:56
Don't forget them pesky Koala's
I would be more concerned with a whacked out Wallaby. Or a full on assault equipped Platypus.
uh, how about charging rhinos, really big crocodiles, rabid kangaroos, i can think of lots of reason for a .50
Rhinos? In Australia? [ROFL1]
uh, how about charging rhinos, really big crocodiles, rabid kangaroos, i can think of lots of reason for a .50
Don't forget the baby snatching dingos
And the annoying TV spokes people. Gday Mate...
well they can't have guns in Australia, and sucide by sword would be well,,,
yes but twin sisters, if extremely hot...nevermind I am not going there
Rhinos? In Australia? [ROFL1]
I was thinking the same thing...maybe at the zoo? [ROFL2]
Rhinos? In Australia? [ROFL1]
I read some where they can swim really well.
I'm not worried about rhinos...feral pigs are another thing, though...
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/giant-feral-pig.jpg
According to an article in the January 2007 issue of Sporting Shooter, however, the boar was shot on a cattle station in the Pilbara region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilbara) of Western Australia. The article notes that the giant was first spotted during a helicopter muster on the station. During a subsequent windmill run, the station owner came across the pig and shot it. The last of the available film in the camera was used to capture the one and only photograph of the beast. The scales used to weigh the animal had a maximum capacity of 200 kg (440 lb). However, the station owner estimated that the pig weighed around 220kg (485 lb) dressed. Sporting Shooter estimates the live weight of the boar would have been more than 300kg (660 lb). Although the region where this giant was shot is quite arid, wild pigs in the area are known to grow unusually large.
Daniel_187
11-16-2010, 19:58
Seem to be a lot of these lately. sounds too like they used a .22 last i herd.
argonstrom
11-16-2010, 20:02
sounds too like they used a .22 last i herd.
Wow...
My uncle evidently shot himself twice in the back of his head with a .22, then ran around his apartment, setting it on fire, or at least that's how the story goes.
maccrazy2
11-16-2010, 22:17
so did they other lady die too then? any more details?
One still in critical care, unknown if she will live
One still in critical care, unknown if she will live
Saw the news tonight and it said she was awake but couldn't talk. That points to a really good chance she will live.
Damn Aussie's coming here to kill themselves with our guns. If they wanted to die so bad why not get drunk and go for a swim in the ocean like everyone else there? Maybe it was one of those pissed off antigun posters that are so happy about being gun free at home that they wanted to ruin it for us Yanks? Either case I hope she recovers and the truth is discovered and if necessary justice is served.
Bitter Clinger
11-17-2010, 08:54
Rhinos? In Australia? [ROFL1]
Why not? We have quite a few RINO's right here in colorado![Beer]
I have been told years ago, by an RSO that the main reason for "actions open, magazines removed, and then 3 years ago- insert your open chamber indicators," An unescorted kid under 14 years of age{which is also a violation of our range rules} could come up to your unoccupied range station. The awestruck kid looks at your gun, then picks up your gun and starts playing with it. If it did have a live round in the chamber and that kid shoots someone with your gun; you had better get a lawyer. It does'nt even have to be loaded and that reminds me of that dubious or insane classic range remark "Don't Worry its Not Loaded." How does the RSO or anybody else know whether your gun is loaded or unloaded, if you have that action closed?
I was at the range one day last year, the RSO calls a ceasefire. The father and his friends go downrange to post a target, but leaves his 10 year son on the firing line unattended. My first mistake was not to call the father back or get the range safety officer. The rifle is on the bags on the table.The kid then proceeds with glee by taking out the OCI, grab a round, and starts to load the round in the open bolt action. I shouted at the kid to stop, just in the nick of time. The OCI will cover your ass, legally
Also, if your outside, don't leave your gun in your open gun case on the shooting table. A gust of wind can blow that gun case along with your gun, off that table. Even a gun in an enclosed case, can blow over.
That OCI can save your butt, but it could also kill you or an innocent bystander. Don't purchase the cheap skinny OCI's, buy the beefy one's. A number of times when the line was called hot, I would insert a magazine, close the bolt on my AR, and have that live round jam on that OCI. But please don't do what a guy did on the next firing station down from me last fall. He used a flimsy OCI, the staff being less than 1/8 thick. He did the same thing as I did, but the round broke the OCI in half. You guessed it, he just removed the flag portion and 2" long staff, leaving 4'' of plastic rod remaining in the barrel and then proceeds to try to load another round into the chamber of his AR. He jammed it again and again! And just by sheer luck, a portion of the rod was still in the chamber causing the jams. I saw the broken OCI flag portion and pointed out the problem to him.
Erno
rockhound
11-17-2010, 18:16
FOR RONDOG
Rhino Attacks Man Video (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guitarsolos.com%2Fvideos-rhino-attacks-man-%255BoS0ge6kRHcg%255D.cfm&rct=j&q=RHINO%20ATTACK%20AUSTRALIA&ei=XW_kTJ9Bj5U688e4kgE&usg=AFQjCNGqr2S0AXks6EImR1IVM0H-u09G4A&cad=rja) http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/symres:sb_safeannotation.png
This is a video of a psychotic bull rhinoceros attacking the tour bus at the Werribee Zoo, west of Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Brutal Rhino Attack ...
www.guitarsolos.com/videos-rhino-attacks-man-%5BoS0ge6kRHcg%5D.cfm - Cached (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jDur_HebIGsJ:www.guitarsolos.com/videos-rhino-attacks-man-%255BoS0ge6kRHcg%255D.cfm+RHINO+ATTACK+AUSTRALIA&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
RHINOS GONE BAD, .50 SOLUTION OR MAYBE SOMETHING BIGGER [Beer]
MuzzleFlash
11-18-2010, 04:09
I want to defend the RO's here. I go to that range at least once a month and have been for the last several years. Doug H. is a stand up guy and the RO's do their jobs very well. Yea, a lot of guys bitch about no double taps etc. but consider the yahoos that show up once a year to sight in their hunting guns after dusting them off from the previous season. I have seen way too many shooters there that seem to be completely incompetent, oblivious, and incoherent, that need to be babysat the whole time they are there to keep everyone else safe. I'm glad the RO's are "nazi". I wouldn't want it any other way!
I used to go there and was also subjected to their one-size-fits-all paranoia. I have a friend that has a 07 manufacturer FFL with a C2 SOT that was kicked out of there for shooting an integrally suppressed bolt action. The RO took notice and was just sure it was illegal, BATF Form 2 paperwork be damned. To me that proves that they're blithering idiots. After hearing that, I have never gone back and never will.
MuzzleFlash
11-18-2010, 04:47
One report I heard that the Aussie gals were here for only 9 months. If they're non-resident aliens and don't have hunting licenses, I have a feeling someone's in doo-doo for selling them the .22 pistols. Or did they rent them from the range?
rented or so the news channels are reporting
One report I heard that the Aussie gals were here for only 9 months. If they're non-resident aliens and don't have hunting licenses, I have a feeling someone's in doo-doo for selling them the .22 pistols. Or did they rent them from the range?
MuzzleFlash
11-18-2010, 07:32
rented or so the news channels are reporting
I smell the stench of lawyers with pony tails lurking about.
I smell weed and trial lawyers too.
Batteriesnare
11-18-2010, 09:11
To me that proves that they're blithering idiots. After hearing that, I have never gone back and never will.
I'm disappointed to hear this, especially given that there are multiple signs at the range indicating that suppressors are allowed as long as the paperwork accompanies.
I appreciate the kind words some posters have given for the ROs. For those who have had less than a stellar experience at the range, please accept my apologies. Please understand that the ROs deal with shooters ranging from first time adults and children who have never handled a firearm, to law enforcement and shooters who have decades of experience. Additionally, hunters who only touch their rifles once, maybe twice a year are typically very unsafe handlers of their firearms. They are not used to being on a regulated range, and their muzzle discipline is often less than acceptable. It is the ROs' responsibility to keep an eye on all shooters for the safety of the other shooters. If they notice an unsafe situation, or a shooter having difficulty hitting their target (a liability), it is their duty to step in. If this comes in a brash, it's not meant as a personal attack, it is to rectify the unsafe situation quickly so that there is no further incident.
The incident this week is very sad. I thank the many of you who have contacted me offering your support, and I appreciate it. Once more details come out, hopefully everyone will understand exactly what happened, and know that the CC range is still very safe. If you have questions about the range, please feel free to PM me.
I will not answer questions pertaining to the incident at this time. I was the CRSO at the time, and the investigation is ongoing.
Jeez, sorry to hear that Batteriesnare.
rfenster
11-18-2010, 14:49
Nine news is reporting that after the Arapahoe County Sheriff's office spoke with the surviving twin and she confirmed that the two planned to commit suicide together.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=164449&catid=339
A very sad situation, indeed.
Nine news is reporting that after the Arapahoe County Sheriff's office spoke with the surviving twin and she confirmed that the two planned to commit suicide together.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=164449&catid=339
A very sad situation, indeed.
well, the parents can have no argument as to which one is more successful.
New business idea.... a personals website that connects homicidal and suicidal people.
No mention as to "why" they wanted to die? Bad childhood? Abused? Money problems? etc?
Assholes. Just saying. Now she has to live with the death of her sister. Were they ugly twins?
ghettodub
11-18-2010, 15:01
New business idea.... a personals website that connects homicidal and suicidal people.
yes!
StagLefty
11-18-2010, 15:29
I can't believe some of the posts concerning this matter ESPECIALLY since none of us have any details into how or why. Talk about judgmental and a total lack of compassion. Please don't take it for granted that I'm some kind of bleeding heart BUT these 2 girls are someones kids and relatives. I'm at a loss to understand some people's input on this. Oh well I guess it's a public forum but I felt something like this had to be said.
ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 15:42
Understood, but the fact that anyone who would commit suicide is putting 10x of the issue she/he may have faced to 100 other people is selfish and coward. These two attempted to do it on someone else' property and business, and putting folks like Batteriesnares in such stress proves my point IMHO.
ThunderSquirrel
11-18-2010, 15:47
Survivors Guilt is a terrible thing, but Survivors Guilt on a Dual Suicide Pact?! That girl is going to be even more troubled then she already was.
bellavite1
11-18-2010, 15:50
Understood, but the fact that anyone who would commit suicide is putting 10x of the issue she/he may have faced to 100 other people is selfish and coward. These two attempted to do it on someone else' property and business, and putting folks like Batteriesnares in such stress proves my point IMHO.
+1
If you want to kill yourself more power to you, but do't involve other people who have nothing to do with it.
Blow your brains out in the livingroom of those who pushed you to do it.
Now that will leave an impression...
Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 16:32
+1
If you want to kill yourself more power to you, but don't involve other people who have nothing to do with it.
Blow your brains out in the living room of those who pushed you to do it.
Now that will leave an impression...
sorry but I Have to add this:
Use a LARGE Caliber gun.
Don't fuck around... you are either going to kill yourself or you just want attention. Nothing says Dead like a .40 S&W or .45 ACP JHP penetrating your cranial cavity.
A true suicide it EXTREMELY Difficult to stop unless incarcerated/detained.
+1 on the consideration for others
Ive gone to another range since this incident, primarily because I fear being "caught up in the media".
There's the legal impact the owners will have to deal with
The Emotional impact of everyone at the range at the time. Believe it or not... not everyone that shoots has seen something Dead... Much less someone dead.. add 2 someones? Self-inflicted?
I need to call my therapist...
Suicide, when performed in this manner is extremely selfish. There's no way around it.
want to do yourself? Go to a remote/deserted area of a mountainous state park, cover yourself in peanut butter and steak sauce, eat a 12ga 000 Buck round and let nature clean up.So no one else needs to deal with it.
StagLefty
11-18-2010, 16:36
Why does everyone assume that these 2 suicidal girls were thinking logically ?
This thread is sad. At least it is a sign that everyone posting is healthy though Stag. Healthy people have an impossible time trying to relate to people who aren't as healthy.
Don't get too worked up over it Stag. 99% of the population have a difficult time understanding any form of mental illness, let alone accepting the reality of it. For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation is possible. Is that how it goes?
Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 17:30
Oh, This was planned...
according to reports they had come to the range before and had done "research".
let's not start throwing the pity party quite yet.
ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 17:30
Why does everyone assume that these 2 suicidal girls were thinking logically ?
There is no indication to say otherwise. CO ID must be presented to get loaner guns - MR would be identified by the vertical ID and foster parent must be present where ever they are. If there was only one of them, you can suspect MR or any other mental disability issue. The likeliness of two of them to me is much much smaller.
StagLefty
11-18-2010, 17:49
let's not start throwing the pity party quite yet.
That was never my intent. I'm done with this.
Dusty Johnson
11-18-2010, 20:00
I can't believe some of the posts concerning this matter ESPECIALLY since none of us have any details into how or why. Talk about judgmental and a total lack of compassion. Please don't take it for granted that I'm some kind of bleeding heart BUT these 2 girls are someones kids and relatives. I'm at a loss to understand some people's input on this. Oh well I guess it's a public forum but I felt something like this had to be said.
I can't agree more. Some of the posts in this thread are really disturbing.
People asking if these twins are ugly or fat etc is really sad IMO. Two twins die and most of the posts in this thread are very disrespectful IMO.
When someone with the name "Dusty Johnson" tells you you're being disrespectful, its time to listen. [Coffee]
I still think it was disrespectful of them to do it at the range. Messing with another persons business like that is just wrong. I feel for them and I know what mental illness is about but I'm not giving them a pass because of it. There is help available for her now.
I want to quickly clarify that something like depression is certainly not insurmountable or anything. I got a little off tangent remembering a friend one time going on and on about how he didn't believe that there was such a thing as mental disorders, and it was all a hoax or an excuse to be lazy or something.
Dusty Johnson
11-18-2010, 21:46
I still think it was disrespectful of them to do it at the range. Messing with another persons business like that is just wrong. I feel for them and I know what mental illness is about but I'm not giving them a pass because of it. There is help available for her now.
The news is saying they rented the .22's. If that is the case they did not have the luxury of killing themselves at their hotel.
Let me guess they should have bought two .22's and shot themselves at their hotel that way they would not disrespect any local ranges?
Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 21:51
The news is saying they rented the .22's. If that is the case they did not have the luxury of killing themselves at their hotel.
Let me guess they should have bought two .22's and shot themselves at their hotel that way they would not disrespect any local ranges?
Want to do yourself? Go to a remote/deserted area of a mountainous state park, cover yourself in peanut butter and steak sauce, eat a 12ga 000 Buck round and let nature clean up, so no one else needs to deal with it.
This
patrick0685
11-18-2010, 22:04
The news is saying they rented the .22's. If that is the case they did not have the luxury of killing themselves at their hotel.
Let me guess they should have bought two .22's and shot themselves at their hotel that way they would not disrespect any local ranges?
that would have been a disrespect to the hotel owner, its strange too women usually commit suicide in a much more clean fashion.
theGinsue
11-18-2010, 22:35
I'm in agreement with Stag and Dusty on this.
If any of you have ever been close to someone who has attempted or successfully completed suicide, you learn just how devastating it is to anyone involved.
No, by it's very nature suicidal people are NOT thinking ligically, whether they plan their activity or not. Suicidal people usually have lost all hope or are not otherwise thinking correctly (remember the mass suicides from Heaven's Gate members, the Hale Bopp comet cult? They hadn't lost hope, but they certainly weren't thinking logically.).
Either way, it's sad. Sad for the two girls, sad for their families, and especially sad for those who were directly impacted by this action.
Yes, suicide (whether successful or unsuccessful) is selfish, but for those contemplating it they can't see past their own pain. We can condemn these two girls for their selfishness or we can hold compassion in our hearts for everyone effected by their actions. I choose compassion.
SA Friday
11-18-2010, 22:43
Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness regardless how or where it happens. I can think of a few exceptions where the act would be sensible, but on a whole, the act has no redeeming aspects. I don't necessarily agree with mocking the situation, but I have yet to see or hear about a suicide that was not motivated by selfishness or cowardice. It's simply a waste.
The statement "Suicide is selfish" is evidence of people not fully understanding the situation. There is no personal gain from suicide. I've heard people say things like, "Suicide is just a coward taking the easy way out." I can't imagine there is anything easy about killing yourself. I can let the last comment slide in situations where someone has committed a crime, and would otherwise be facing prison, death, or some other form of judgment. However, to accuse someone of being selfish for taking their own life is kind of dumb.
Don't take this comment too personally though, as I've heard it so many times that I've said it myself. This is the first time I've really thought about it though. I think that people taking their own life can be many things, but selfish is not usually one of them.
EDIT: Crazy timing SAFriday. You hadn't posted when I started typing this up.
Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 23:07
weird and unconventional situations aside, I can only think of one situation where suicide would be rational and justifiable:
End of Life.
If you have absolutely no hope of recovery (cancer) and the only thing you are facing is a long drawn out painful death, by all means, choose your time and manner.
Otherwise, ride this shit out like the rest of us, you WILL get over it.
I cannot wait to hear why they had the pact.
You may hold your opinions on this to be true, but you won't change mine.
patrick0685
11-18-2010, 23:09
I wander if the family is in the states or is still overseas. There are so many questions and not all will be answered. I honestly feel terrible for their family.
Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 23:26
I wander if the family is in the states or is still overseas. There are so many questions and not all will be answered. I honestly feel terrible for their family.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=164449&catid=339
news reporter says they will be here tomorrow.
I Do sympathize and feel very very bad for the family.
They have to sort through clean up this mess.
and no matter how you break it down... we have to foot the bill.
Its harder to live with your problems and make it through another day. If they wanted to kill themselves they should have gotten drunk and went for a swim.
I didn't want them to hurt themselves but they did and in a way the news is going to use this against gun owners. They are already bringing up Comlumbine and drawing parallels to it. The news never missing a chance to stand in the blood of victims and blame the gun. That is adding injury to insult. How can I help them and their family deal with this? How can I keep my guns for sharing the blame in their decision to kill themselves?
patrick0685
11-19-2010, 00:26
Its harder to live with your problems and make it through another day. If they wanted to kill themselves they should have gotten drunk and went for a swim.
I didn't want them to hurt themselves but they did and in a way the news is going to use this against gun owners. They are already bringing up Comlumbine and drawing parallels to it. The news never missing a chance to stand in the blood of victims and blame the gun. That is adding injury to insult. How can I help them and their family deal with this? How can I keep my guns for sharing the blame in their decision to kill themselves?
+1 why does everything have to be blamed on someone/something else
patrick0685
11-19-2010, 00:29
How can I keep my guns for sharing the blame in their decision to kill themselves?
if we are going to blame anyone/anything can we blame TSA somehow?
The statement "Suicide is selfish" is evidence of people not fully understanding the situation. There is no personal gain from suicide. I've heard people say things like, "Suicide is just a coward taking the easy way out." I can't imagine there is anything easy about killing yourself. I can let the last comment slide in situations where someone has committed a crime, and would otherwise be facing prison, death, or some other form of judgment. However, to accuse someone of being selfish for taking their own life is kind of dumb.
Don't take this comment too personally though, as I've heard it so many times that I've said it myself. This is the first time I've really thought about it though. I think that people taking their own life can be many things, but selfish is not usually one of them.
EDIT: Crazy timing SAFriday. You hadn't posted when I started typing this up.
+1
if we are going to blame anyone/anything can we blame TSA somehow?
I think we can blame TSA for everything. Flying is hell.[Beer]
ChunkyMonkey
11-19-2010, 02:20
The statement "Suicide is selfish" is evidence of people not fully understanding the situation. There is no personal gain from suicide. I've heard people say things like, "Suicide is just a coward taking the easy way out." I can't imagine there is anything easy about killing yourself. I can let the last comment slide in situations where someone has committed a crime, and would otherwise be facing prison, death, or some other form of judgment. However, to accuse someone of being selfish for taking their own life is kind of dumb.
How is it not a selfish act? When one committed a suicide, he/she doesn't sacrifice for other cause but his/her own cause. His/her goal is to escape circumstances of life and leave the mess to family members and strangers. Noone is arguing whether its easy or not. Death has never been easy - But death by suicide is the lowest form of cowardice and selfishness imho.
HBARleatherneck
11-19-2010, 06:27
the only thing selfish to me about what they did, was the location. other people, presumably didnt want to be there when they offed themselves. they should have drove off a cliff, bought a gun from armslist, and took turns, drank poison, gave up on suicide and started doing porn. whatever, but dont kill yourself where others will be affected. otherwise, go ahead.
i heard they loved colorado, but when the dickekpooper won the governership, they were upset and decided it wasnt worth living.
Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 07:51
if we are going to blame anyone/anything can we blame TSA somehow?
Well, one of the twins was scheduled to return home that day, perhaps the terror of being sexually molested in public by the TSA was too much to bear.
[Dunno]
the only thing selfish to me about what they did, was the location. other people, presumably didnt want to be there when they offed themselves. they should have drove off a cliff, bought a gun from armslist, and took turns, drank poison, gave up on suicide and started doing porn. whatever, but dont kill yourself where others will be affected. otherwise, go ahead.
The news today said that the range was full of other shooters and the girls had been there for an hour and a half and had been talking with other people and nothing seemed wrong to anyone. Supposedly the first person to notice what happened was a 15 yo Boy Scout. This memory is going to effect everyone who was there for a very long time. You do not engage in this sort of activity in public.
Apparently the survivor is conscious and talking -- after taking a contact shot to the forehead -- and affirmed that it was suicide but refused to give a reason why. News states that one of the twins had a number of news clippings about the Columbine shooting in her motel room. DA says he does not intend to pursue criminal charges. It is unlikely we'll ever find out their motivation for doing this.
It is sad that a couple of young girls killed themselves, but the fact that they did it in public, at a shooting range, and as a direct result of this some will be trying to pass greater restrictions, makes it difficult to feel compassion towards them. You thought your life sucked before? Now you've got severe brain damage and your parents are probably going to lock you in the basement once they get you back to Australia. No matter how bad things might seem, they can always get worse.
When my wife was married to her first husband, they lived in a trailer park and there was another couple right next door that they were good friends with. They all had little kids the same age, hung out together, the husbands even worked together at the same place.
One morning, the neighbor wife was in the kitchen putting on makeup, getting ready for work, and their kids were at the table eating breakfast. The husband came in, sat down at the table with the kids, said "bury me in Wyoming", then pulled out a .357 and blew his brains all over the wall.
Talk about fucking up innocent people.....can you imagine what that did to his wife and kids? My wife had to clean up the mess after it was all over, there wasn't anybody else to do it. So, she's not real fond of guns herself now, but she doesn't give me or our grandson any shit about it.
hollohas
11-19-2010, 12:23
I have zero pity for people that commit suicide. I agree that is it extremely selfish...killing yourself to stop hardship no matter what the cost to other people and your loved ones. How disgraceful. I feel for people that are having such a hard time and experiencing such inner pain that they think the only way out is killing themselves. BUT, the second they stop dealing with it or don't try to get help and actually go through with suicide, I lose all compassion for them. The second they do that they transfer all their pain to the people around them. How can you have sympathy for someone who would willingly put that much pain on others?
A couple of friends of mine, while we were kids growing up in small town Colorado, found a man hanging from a tree in the woods behind their home. He hung himself and is a total SOB for doing that to the two kids that found him that day. And whatever family he left. I have zero pity for the cowards who commit suicide and tons heartfelt sorrow for the people they leave behind to deal with it and the people that have to witness something so horrifying.
If suicidal people thought that anyone cared even an ounce for them, then they'd be less likely to commit suicide in the first place. They are not thinking logically.
ChunkyMonkey
11-19-2010, 12:32
So to them it is only logic to end their life. Wait, they just thought logically, just their own/selfish version.
hollohas
11-19-2010, 12:34
If suicidal people thought that anyone cared even an ounce for them, then they'd be less likely to commit suicide in the first place. They are not thinking logically.
That may be true but that doesn't have any pull on me. It's like saying someone isn't guilty of murder for reason of insanity. They still did it. They're still guilty of causing others extreme pain whether their brain is working correctly or not. For the same reason I don't have any compassion for the mom that was so depressed that she went crazy and drowned her kids in the bath, I don't have any compassion for the person that commits suicide and causes others pain because of it.
I want to clear up again, that I'm not trying to justify the actions of suicidal people. I know it sounds like it. I got started on this tangent from the comments asking if they were ugly or fat. Those are overly simple reasons to be committing suicide.
hollohas
11-19-2010, 12:52
the comments asking if they were ugly or fat. Those are overly simple reasons to be committing suicide.
Very true.
Chalk it up to members of this forum always attempting to add a little humor to serious subjects. Sure sometimes it may seem a little off color but other times it makes you laugh your ass off. You didn't laugh even a little at the fat joke? Be honest... ;)
ghettodub
11-19-2010, 12:55
I'm staying out of this one; i've dealt with suicide a bit too much in my own life, so I have a little different experience on this subject...
I'm staying out of this one; i've dealt with suicide a bit too much in my own life, so I have a little different experience on this subject...
Then why make a post saying you're not posting? This is an internet discussion forum so if you want to discuss... discuss. If not, don't post to inform us all you won't be posting. That's just silly.
hollohas
11-19-2010, 13:16
Then why make a post saying you're not posting? This is an internet discussion forum so if you want to discuss... discuss. If not, don't post to inform us all you won't be posting. That's just silly.
I thought the same thing...
How easy is it for a foreigner to buy a pistol in Colorado; and the paperwork time limit? If the twins were soon heading back to the outback, they probably figured that their was no chance to purchase a gun in Austrialia; so maybe their main reason for them coming to the U.S. was to do themselves in with a pistol. I don't know whether you can rent a pistol at a gun range in Austrialia. They might not have had the money to buy a pistol. They probably thought that it would be to hard too commit suicide with a rifle. Outside of Baltimore, about 15 years ago there was a suicide by pistol by a 15 year old male on the firing line, on an indoor firing range. So sad, but true.
Erno
ghettodub
11-19-2010, 14:37
Then why make a post saying you're not posting? This is an internet discussion forum so if you want to discuss... discuss. If not, don't post to inform us all you won't be posting. That's just silly.
I thought that after I posted that too, haha [ROFL1]
OneGuy67
11-19-2010, 14:40
Then why make a post saying you're not posting? This is an internet discussion forum so if you want to discuss... discuss. If not, don't post to inform us all you won't be posting. That's just silly.
He's letting you know he doesn't agree with the opinions that are being posted, but doesn't want to delve into the reasons why, which could be a bit painful for him.
I would also disagree with some of the postings, having investigated a number of suicides. We can't/won't ever know what was going through a person's mind that makes them believe that suicide, the ending of their life, is better than whatever it is that is affecting them. I firmly believe that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It is sad and leaves a slew of victim's in their wake.
OneGuy67
11-19-2010, 14:42
How easy is it for a foreigner to buy a pistol in Colorado; and the paperwork time limit? If the twins were soon heading back to the outback, they probably figured that their was no chance to purchase a gun in Austrialia; so maybe their main reason for them coming to the U.S. was to do themselves in with a pistol. I don't know whether you can rent a pistol at a gun range in Austrialia. They might not have had the money to buy a pistol. They probably thought that it would be to hard too commit suicide with a rifle. Outside of Baltimore, about 15 years ago there was a suicide by pistol by a 15 year old male on the firing line, on an indoor firing range. So sad, but true.
Erno
The Firing Line in Aurora had some problems a few years back with a couple of back-to-back rental gun suicides. That is what is so difficult to stop/prevent suicide; there are so many different ways to do it.
DeusExMachina
11-19-2010, 15:15
So...I wanted to go on Saturday...think that'll be a problem? Heh.
I remember a few years ago, a woman went to a pawn shop on Broadway here in Denver and asked to look at a .38 in the case. She then took a round out of her pocket, loaded the gun, and shot herself right there in the store. Anybody remember that?
ghettodub
11-19-2010, 15:29
Don't remember that one, but when I was in high school and working at the Walmart in Evergreen, some dude bought a shotgun inside the store, went to his car and shot himself in the head
SA Friday
11-19-2010, 16:13
Stuart, nobody with friends or relatives totally lives for themselves. No matter how strained the relationships might be with all of them, one still has the obligation of others. To deny this is selfish. Additionally, making a life or death decision based on one's personal emotions is selfish. Death effects everyone it touches. It should be just as hard to take ones life as it is to take another's life.
Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 16:13
The Firing Line in Aurora had some problems a few years back with a couple of back-to-back rental gun suicides. That is what is so difficult to stop/prevent suicide; there are so many different ways to do it.
If I was forced to shoot at the firing line again I might drop one into the cranium too!
too soon?
[ROFL1]
I remember a few years ago, a woman went to a pawn shop on Broadway here in Denver and asked to look at a .38 in the case. She then took a round out of her pocket, loaded the gun, and shot herself right there in the store. Anybody remember that?
It was the mother of one of the Columbine kids and it was at Alpha Pawn in Englewood (I think that's the one you're talking about).
Also, I have experienced a suicide about as close in the family as you can get without it being yourself. I agree it's not an option and is very thoughtless and selfish considering everyone you are hurting. However the comments mocking these girls are disgraceful and the people spouting them should be ashamed of themselves. Someones death is no laughing matter, no matter the way it happened.
It was the mother of one of the Columbine kids and it was at Alpha Pawn in Englewood (I think that's the one you're talking about).
I don't know, maybe. I would have guessed this happened before Columbine, but I don't know. Not even sure what pawn shop, I just remember an incident.
rfenster
11-20-2010, 03:29
I don't know, maybe. I would have guessed this happened before Columbine, but I don't know. Not even sure what pawn shop, I just remember an incident.
Unfortunately, the incident went down as TS12000 described it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/colo/colo182.htm
Unfortunately, the incident went down as TS12000 described it:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/colo/colo182.htm
Thank you! My memory just ain't what it used to be. At least I remembered the incident at all.
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