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TriggerHappy
11-18-2010, 06:41
[Bang]

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 06:47
I am just going to say it, if you dont like it, take a f*cking train.

Thanks, I feel better now.

[Bang]


Did someone get the "bad touch?"

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 06:55
I was just kidding with you anyway.

I don't really care one way or the other. My thought is that it really accomplishes nothing. If they have to do the pat downs than why do they buy all that really expensive equipment?

I am sure they will find a happy median in the future. Lots of growing pains....

2ndChildhood
11-18-2010, 07:10
I think the procedures are necessary, but really only protect us against the low to medium-skilled threats. Professional-grade attacks will get through when they choose. I think the rarity of successful attacks shows how small a number of true professionals we are up against.

The two recent package-bombs out of Yemen, those were pro-grade and we only caught them because of a leak. I doubt if very many of our in-place scanning procedures would have caught them. Frankly, if they have to mail their attacks out of Yemen, it shows just how few quality assets they have here in the West. If a similar set of package bombs had been mailed out of bumfsck Iowa I bet they would have made it past tons of scanners.

We are getting all worked up about a threat that's mainly pretty distant. The local sympathizers are a bunch of wanna-be's with limited real skills or training.

Anton
11-18-2010, 07:12
I think its a great idea. In fact, I think we should all have to get cavity searches whenever we choose to fly. After all, flying isn't a right, so we give up whatever rights and self-respect we have as soon as we purchase a ticket. There have already been instances of suicide attacks using 'internal' bombs so we need to do it for our own good. You want to be safe right? Then bend over. You don't like it? Quit your whinging citizen!

Its fucking pathetic what has happened to America and mankind in general.

DOC
11-18-2010, 08:13
I love it. I pick the line with 300 lb black chick with man hands to feel me up. When I was working there and wanted to have breakfast in the smoking rooms I would demand it just work up an appetite.
I don't know if its true but I heard that while the TSA can mangle and molest anyone that comes into their little world Muslim women wearing that head cover thing are not required to be scanned and during the pat down the TSA can only check the head and neck area. The only 2 places that bombs can't be hidden are the only places that can be searched.
WTF are they thinking?

rockhound
11-18-2010, 08:19
they are not thinking,

security through political correctness, unless you are a us citizen.

the simple solution is in front of them, but they seem reluctant to use it, didn't they have the scanners set up with the avatar images instead of actual images? what happened to that option?

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 08:29
More feel-good bullshit brought to you by the TSA. The only thing TSA is capable of doing is reacting after an incident. Apparently no one in that organization possesses the ability or the will to do the things that will keep us safe.

This nonsense about checking every passenger in this manner is ridiculous. I don't recall the last time an 86 year old used his Medal of Honor to attack someone on a plane yet Joe Foss was harassed by TSA for 45 minutes prior to boarding in Phoenix. Little old ladies with knitting needles aren't the types that worry me getting on airplanes.

I was in Reno and watched TSA scumbags insist on removing a prosthetic leg from a 3 year old girl without the parents assistance. They weren't allowed near the girl because of "security reasons". The poor kid was terrified. Mom wanted to give the little girl her blanket while she was subjected to this and a TSA agent threatened to have her arrested if she approached the child. If you've flown in the last 9 years you've seen the idiocy and the abuses first hand.

I've seen people in US Military uniforms subjected to "additional random screening"...usually female.

TSA...the US government...American society in general...needs to buy a freakin' clue. These aren't the people who are trying to kill us.

How about we tell CAIR and other pro-Muslim organizations (like the white house) to go fuck themselves and start profiling passengers who look middle-eastern and have Muslim names? Subject them to "additional" and "enhanced" screening once in a while. And leave the majority of the traveling American public to go about their business in peace.

I would rather not have TSA even in existence...especially with the way they conduct business by bullying and harassing innocent people...than what they're doing now in the name of security. What a fucking joke they are.

I don't need the government violating my privacy or my family's privacy in the name of security...regardless of whether or not flying on an airplane is a right or a privilege.


Its fucking pathetic what has happened to America and mankind in general.

Thank you.

Epyon
11-18-2010, 08:29
Screw this, I'm gonna travel by wagon from now on!!! Actually about the only thing that pisses me off about TSA is that some airports have X-ray scanner. Do I REALLY want uncollimated radiation blasting away at my boys? No thanks, at least when doing a medical x-ray the tube housing reduces radiation dose to the part being x-rayed. I think if ever put in a situation where they want me to go through an x-ray scanner I'll just sing and whoop wildly, strip down to my underwear and walk through the metal detectors. Of course then they'll probably arrest me for disturbing the peace and indecent exposure!!

carnplanenut
11-18-2010, 08:30
As a twice furloughed airline pilot, I believe that we have rights in this country that are constantly under attack. Security and freedom are polar opposites when being provided by a government. You can't have both.

We have the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." No where in that statement does security come to play. We as American's have a responsibility to provide our own security, and were give the right to keep and bear arms to do so.

Flying may be a privelige, but so is driving a car. That never seems to stop the DMV from issuing a license to the seniors who can't see. Flying is a privelige that is paid for using a free market model. It is also the most regulated deregulated industry there is.

This is the same slippery slope that gun control proponents use to get more gun control. If we only get rid of passengers, aviation would be safe?

The TSA is going to deal with the public on this one, and I say good!

Jason

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 08:32
Everyday we become less American, and less free, and we sit by and let it happen in the name of Security.
Wake the hell up.

Are you all so stupid that you think this is a way to stop the terrorists?

The TSA is a bunch of loser morons that lucked out and got a job with the gubment. If any of us were to do a pat search of a citizen we'd have to register as a sex offender.

Until people make a stand and say we have had enough and we aren't goint to take it anymore then we will continue on a downward spiral into a military state.

Guess the Patriot act is also OK... http://www.coloradofisherman.com/forum/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif

You guys will probably think it's OK for the Man to come and take your guns in the name of Saftey as well.

Must be young.

Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."


http://www.coloradofisherman.com/forum/Themes/default/images/icons/modify_inline.gif

TS12000
11-18-2010, 08:33
Illusion of security, nothing new here, move along you sheep

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2012876d5f0cb970c-500wi

DOC
11-18-2010, 08:33
Never heard of an avatar option. What is the option that is in front of them. Except equal opportunity scanning with special attention paid to people filling a profile of past terrorist groups.

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 08:34
I dont see all this hurting the industry at all, maybe very minor, but I think those who choose not too will come around and get used to it.

Of course it won't. Because people are fuckin' sheep. Janet Incompetano comes on TV and says, "It's for your own good, people. We know what we're doing. The system works," and people will parrot everything they hear and mutter crap about "it makes me feel better to know they're trying to protect us." They're already all over the tube saying that. Absolutely pathetic.

But you're right about people coming around to it. It doesn't take long to indoctrinate most people.

TriggerHappy
11-18-2010, 08:37
Ooooo. I started a good one.

Kev: I know you were kidding, just a little venting here. If she is hot, grope all you want.
[Coffee]
And I agree, TSA is all just a bunch of feel good BS. They are definitely not consistent and consistency is what its gonna take.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 08:38
Of course it won't. Because people are fuckin' sheep. Janet Incompetano comes on TV and says, "It's for your own good, people. We know what we're doing. The system works," and people will parrot everything they hear and mutter crap about "it makes me feel better to know they're trying to protect us." They're already all over the tube saying that. Absolutely pathetic.

But you're right about people coming around to it. It doesn't take long to indoctrinate most people.


Hitler made the people feel safe.

palepainter
11-18-2010, 08:56
It really is just another way that our government is letting the terrorists win with their agenda. The costs, the fear, the control.

BigBear
11-18-2010, 09:26
My wife said that is she had to do the full body scan thingy that she was going to wear the biggest strap-on she could find and ask for a pat-down. HAHAHAHAHA.

As far as me... if I can't drive there, I usually don't go. I've been on planes and all but I just don't like 'em. I don't like having to pay for two seats or not being able to take my horn as a carryon, etc. Screw them, they won't get my money. If I get hired for a tour (like the last one to Ireland) it's a private jet.

pickenup
11-18-2010, 09:36
Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

Bingo

Hoosier
11-18-2010, 09:42
I think something needs to be clarified here; just because something is not an enumerated right in the Constitution does not make it a "privilege." That mindset, if you walk-it-out, can lead to totalitarian government state where your only rights are those they enumerate for you.

The sole reason they began doing pat downs was to make the backscatter X-ray more appealing. So people would be less like to opt-out. TSA agents refer to the machines as DMD's... dick measuring devices.

The X-ray exposure is only a few pico-Sieverts, however it's not the same kind of X-ray that we have decades of experience with. These x-rays reflect off the skin, and all the energy that dissipates does so right there. Traditional x-rays move entirely through the target. No amount of X-ray exposure produces beneficial results. Flying at altitude does expose you to more X-ray (and other highly charged particles) than being at ground level, that said, I would prefer to not have any additional exposure, thanks.

I think it's just a matter of time before real world images start being leaked. Remember, the TSA has *never* stopped a terrorist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

The terrorists won't use the same vector of attack, because now everyone on the plane knows that it's not someone looking to divert the flight or get paid ransom. Terrorism is far less common than people seem to think. Any terrorist in the US who wished to create destruction has his pick of targets. If it's as common as politicians try to scare us into believing, how come they are so incredibly unsuccessful?

We should have this type of X-ray technology fully deployed, though. Sitting at the harbors and ports scanning each shipping container as it moves away from the cranes. No more 4th Amendment problems, no more human-exposure problems, and a chance to really do some good.

H.

henpecked
11-18-2010, 09:44
Top TSA SlogansCan't see London, can't see France, unless we see your underpants.
Grope discounts available.

If we did our job any better we'd have to buy you dinner first.

Only we know if Lady Gaga is really a lady.

Don't worry, my hands are still warm from the last guy.

Throw a few back at the airport Chili's and you won't even notice.

Wanna fly? Drop your fly.

We've handled more balls than Barney Frank

We are now free to move about your pants

We rub you the wrong way, so you can be on your way.

It's not a grope. It's a freedom pat.

When in doubt, we make you whip it out.

TSA: Touchin', Squeezin', Arrestin'

You WERE a virgin. We handle more packages than the USPS

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 09:47
Everyday we become less American, and less free, and we sit by and let it happen in the name of Security.
Wake the hell up.

Ben Franklin said something like "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."


http://www.coloradofisherman.com/forum/Themes/default/images/icons/modify_inline.gif


Bingo

This, I am on this side

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=164269&catid=339


"I really don't know who marked the box and said, 'Yes, now let's really touch them.' Let's turn from feeling where they would go on the back of their hand and going down - now they're doing full frontal, where they run their hands over your breasts, they will cup your breast, they're going inside your collar," Briles said. "If anyone pulled what TSA is doing, they would be sued and fired for just blatant sexual harassment."


I Applied for a job at the TSA... was scheduled to work and everything untill the told me that you have to grope the ugly ones too [LOL]

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 09:52
Next time I fly, I'm wearing a kilt.




With traditional undergarment(or lack thereof).




That'll teach 'em.....[LOL]

Irving
11-18-2010, 10:04
I think it's just a matter of time before real world images start being leaked. Remember, the TSA has *never* stopped a terrorist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater



I was just going to ask about this. TSA has never stopped a terrorist that I can remember, yet they just keep getting worse and worse. Fuck the TSA and fuck anyone who doesn't see that.

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 10:25
I was just going to ask about this. TSA has never stopped a terrorist that I can remember, yet they just keep getting worse and worse. Fuck the TSA and fuck anyone who doesn't see that.


Relax Stuart, Relax...

And remember, you can't say "Bomb" on a plane!

Irving
11-18-2010, 10:26
Nope. No relaxing here. The TSA is completely worthless. I won't even apply for a job with them.

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 10:36
Nope. No relaxing here. The TSA is completely worthless. I won't even apply for a job with them.


I never said they weren't worthless. When I was on active duty I used to get several one-way tickets because it was cheaper or I was moving vehicles or something like that. Everytime I had to be taken aside and searched extra (which is painful....j/k). I always thought, wow, I must really look like a terrorist....with my active duty military ID, High and tight haircut, and dress greens on.

So yes, the TSA is ridiculous...I am just saying relax, don't want you to have a heart attack

Irving
11-18-2010, 10:39
You can't make me.

patrick0685
11-18-2010, 10:46
Nope. No relaxing here. The TSA is completely worthless.

i agree, TSA is a joke, they are power hungry and do nothing, if everyone refuses the delays that it will cause could make them rethink their ideas

Irving
11-18-2010, 10:50
I doubt it will. It will hurt the airlines, but not the TSA. I don't understand why the airlines are throwing an absolute fit over the existence of the TSA in the first place. Is it just as bad to get onto a train or bus?

funkfool
11-18-2010, 10:59
People act like its a right to get on an airplane, I think its a priveledge.
It is not a right to go to the tavern, or walk down the street, or drive...
But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let government sponsored and approved goons grope me to do those things either...
The 4th Amendment... (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f081.htm)
Read it, know it, live it.
Pay special attention to the case law on Blanket Searches...


Ooooo. I started a good one.
Yes. You have.


Hitler made the people feel safe.
And he kept the Jews warm too... that didn't work out too well for them...

There is not enough outrage over this...
I have an idea...
Use standard police investigative procedures...
Wife dead?
Where is the husband?
It's called results based profiling.
Because it works.
Ever heard of Occam's razor... the principle of unnecessary plurality?

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 11:00
You can't make me.


I accept your challenge

funkfool
11-18-2010, 11:03
Ann Coulter wrote a good article about this:

NAPOLITANO: THE BALL’S IN MY COURT NOW
(http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=397)by Ann Coulter
November 17, 2010

short excerpt:


You can't stop a terrorist attack by searching for the explosives any more than you can stop crime by taking away everyone's guns.

In the 1970s, liberal ideas on crime swept the country. Gun owners were treated like criminals while actual criminals were coddled and released.
If only we treated criminals with dignity and respect and showed them the system was fair, liberals told us, criminals would reward us with good behavior.

As is now well known, crime exploded in the '70s. It took decades of conservative law-and-order policies to get crime back to near-1950s levels.

It's similarly pointless to treat all Americans as if they're potential terrorists while trying to find and confiscate anything that could be used as a weapon.
We can't search all passengers for explosives because Muslims stick explosives up their anuses. (Talk about jobs Americans just won't do.)

You have to search for the terrorists.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 11:09
As BG said People are sheep, alot of them seem to be on here.

They will buy into it in the name of so called safe travel.
God help us when the SHTF because most that talk can't do the walk and will be herded away with the rest.

StagLefty
11-18-2010, 11:22
Relax Stuart, Relax...

And remember, you can't say "Bomb" on a plane!

Or "Hi Jack" [ROFL1]

Irving
11-18-2010, 11:23
I think that people aren't necessarily buying into it because it makes them feel safe, well the stupid ones obviously will, but more because they need/want to go some where and flying is their option. Many people don't have the time to drive across the country.

CrufflerSteve
11-18-2010, 11:31
It's just going to show that the terrorists have won. We are so terrorized that we're willing to spend billions and lose our dignity on methods to prevent things that have happened. A retard tries to blow up his shoes. He makes it past these professionals and the passengers stop him. Another dumbass tries to blow up his underpants and now we're going through Dick Measuring Devices or getting molested by the TSA. Just wait for an ass bomber!

Steve

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 11:38
Ann Coulter wrote a good article about this:

NAPOLITANO: THE BALL’S IN MY COURT NOW
(http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/printer_friendly.cgi?article=397)by Ann Coulter
November 17, 2010



This is the punishment for refusing the nude body scan for passengers who don't want to appear nude on live video or are worried about the skin cancer risk of the machines -- risks acknowledged by the very Johns Hopkins study touted by the government.

It is becoming increasingly obvious that we need to keep the government as far away from airport security as possible, and not only because Janet Napolitano did her graduate work in North Korea.


scary because its true... and funny for the same reasons.

5 years from now, a Television commercial from a "Non-Attorney Spokesperson."

"Did you fly, were you nude scanned? do you now have Melanoma or any other form of skin, bone or internal cancer? call now and we can get you compensation for your pain and suffering."

So when your taxes increase 450,000% to pay for the health care and compensation costs of your false safety, remember, They didn't catch anyone.

and lemme tell you, I have had many relatives die of cancer, that's some ghastly painful and expensive shit.



Back to topic.
I Agree that a 5 minute conversation would be more revealing while less invasive.

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 11:42
Note to TSA:

Muslims, or people with Muslim sounding names, are the ones you should be concerned with. Leave Mr and Mrs Average American alone already.

Fuckers...

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 11:45
And another thing...

I don't like the idea of the chick wearing the hijab checking boarding passes and IDs at the screening area at DIA.

If that makes me a bad person, well...I can live with that.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 11:49
And another thing...

I don't like the idea of the chick wearing the hijab checking boarding passes and IDs at the screening area at DIA.

If that makes me a bad person, well...I can live with that.


+1

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 11:57
I am just going to say it, if you dont like it, take a f*cking train.

Thanks, I feel better now.

[Bang]


Not me. I am just tired of hearing about it. People act like its a right to get on an airplane, I think its a priveledge.

I dont see all this hurting the industry at all, maybe very minor, but I think those who choose not too will come around and get used to it.

I fly at least 3-4 times a month. It is getting ridiculous and politicize beyond believe. I agree, the system is broken! Instead of enforcing the BORDER SECURITY, the US is subjecting its own people like terrorists. They are all interconnected.

I encourage those who think this is not a big deal to rethink carefully. Maybe you don't fly all the time, however what if the fed is to set up check points in your neighborhood, search you and your vehicle anytime it wants - how would you feel? Driving after all is not a right but a privilege!

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 11:58
And another thing...

I don't like the idea of the chick wearing the hijab checking boarding passes and IDs at the screening area at DIA.

If that makes me a bad person, well...I can live with that.


+1


nothing like putting the fox in charge of security for the Henhouse

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 12:01
This pat down opens a whole new avenue for attorneys to use in sexual molestation cases.
The government will now have to redifine what groping is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse)

Under “Types of Sexual Abuse,” we see this:

-Unwanted touching, either of a child or an adult.

Going to be interesting as the law suits show up in court. And I understand that you can sue the individual themselves.

TriggerHappy
11-18-2010, 12:02
If I have offended anyone sorry, not my intent. Maybe my wording wasn't correct in my venting. Obviously I pushed some buttons that didn't need to be pushed, some of you might need to worry about your blood pressure. (since i MUST be young and probably doesn"t know shit about life, history, the constitution or anything for that matter)

I agree with all of you that TSA is absolutely worthless and make shit happen that should never even be thought of. Yes, I think that more of the general public that would carry, especially on airplanes, would make it a safer atmosphere. Unfortunately, the airlines are the ones that will change what is happening at this point in time or the lack of people willing to travel. No TSA for general aviation.

I also understand that the government will slowly take away our freedoms until we have nothing left. It has happened in history, I have read it. Don't assume from my post that I am "un-educated". That just makes you look like an ass, before I post next time about something controversial and expect to have an opinion, I will be sure to put my resume out there for being a part of this forum.

About the privilege and right comment: It is about a choice. Yes I think that the TSA is wrong. When I buy a ticket, I, at that point, understand that this could happen to me. If I do not want to deal with it, i will drive a car to where I want to go. Or, rent an airplane of my own. Bingo, that was easy. Oh wait, $3500 an hour, thats steep. The choice is yours.

When all this started I didn't see the majority of the US say "we are boycotting air travel until this changes". Unfortunately that is what it may take for the TSA to be brought back to earth.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 12:09
http://www.optoutday.com/

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 12:16
About the privilege and right comment: It is about a choice. Yes I think that the TSA is wrong. When I buy a ticket, I, at that point, understand that this could happen to me. If I do not want to deal with it, i will drive a car to where I want to go. Or, rent an airplane of my own. Bingo, that was easy. Oh wait, $3500 an hour, thats steep. The choice is yours.


I understand what you are trying to say. By the same token you may say, one day, the fed will prohibit all firearms to be used in the BLM or national forest. You can still shoot, just have to be in private ranges - and you'd be ok with it.

If you think the current security measure will stop a bunch of Muslims from hijacking an airplane with any sharp contraband, you are wrong.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 12:21
No most will gladly relinqush there arms in the name of saftey, for they have no balls to stand against a tyranical government as they see it as their protector.

TriggerHappy
11-18-2010, 12:24
I understand what you are trying to say. By the same token you may say, one day, the fed will prohibit all firearms to be used in the BLM or national forest. You can still shoot, just have to be in private ranges - and you'd be ok with it.

If you think the current security measure will stop a bunch of Muslims from hijacking an airplane with any sharp contraband, you are wrong.

I am not agreeing with the current security measures, just trying to make a point. Private ranges? absolutely not, I think it is all f*cking garbage BS, just like the TSA. If someone wants to blow up a plane or fly it into another building they will find a way to do, its that simple. If you read my other posts I agreed that TSA is just a "feel good, BS" organization that makes the general public feel safer, but doesn't actually accomplish much of anything besides being a pain in the ass and over stepping boundaries.

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 12:25
When all this started I didn't see the majority of the US say "we are boycotting air travel until this changes". Unfortunately that is what it may take for the TSA to be brought back to earth.

I always try NOT to make exchanges of Ideas and viewpoints personal.

I respect your opinion, regardless of how wrong it might be [LOL]


All I am saying its that unfortunately we will see the error of our ways in a manner much like we see the mistreatment of Native Americans, Japanese Americans, Mexican immigration and the multitudes of other mistakes this country has made in the past.
and we will attempt to correct it after the fact by throwing multitudes of money at it.

Our leaders are no more accountable for their actions than a 2 year old, they are creating policies and projects that do nothing except to attempt some feeble justification for their over bloated salaries. and to retain this they use fear and "Selective reporting" to create the fear that brought their positions about to begin with.
Do you HONESTLY think that the policy makers will pay for the treatment of people dying of cancer caused by the scanners?
YOU and YOUR CHILDREN will foot that bill.

Hell, if you want to pay people to fuck up policy, grope your children and kill your family, we are putting the wrong ones in jail.

Sadly there will be no "public outrage" or Boycotts. The majority of our society has been trained to keep their heads down, pay their bills and contest nothing. Don't make waves, Don't stand out lest you draw unwanted attention to yourself.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 12:27
I think more grovelling is in order here.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 12:29
We will be flying next month, I am going to write on my ass i"f you can read this FUCK OFF."

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 12:33
Security on airliners is a joke. I was on a flight to Hawaii a few years back. My daughter-in-law worked for the airline in question, so we scored 1st class seats from LAX to Maui. We were served a meal on board with a plastic knife, a metal fork and spoon, and a glass drinking glass. Now, I'm no criminal, but I'm pretty sure I could kill or injure someone with at least 3 of the items mentioned. [Bang]

The same thing goes for the liquids ban: why is a bottle of water purchased on the concourse different from one purchased at the grocery store? It's not as if they can control and inspect all of the millions of bottles sold at the airports. I will guarantee that they do not open the cases and run a sniffer over every bottle. It would be child's play to get contraband into the "sterile area" if one were so inclined.

BigBear
11-18-2010, 12:35
It's all a moot point anyways. One can do more personal damage with a ball point pen and a paperclip than with a pocket knife or toenail clippers.

It's just a means to look like they are doing something positive when in fact they are advocates for complete rule.

And once again I say profiling and sterotyping exist for a reason... but I get flamed when I say that so flame on!

Nothing will change until there is a mass revolt.

TriggerHappy
11-18-2010, 12:35
Alright, its passed my bedtime. Been up since 1500 yesterday. You guys have fun with your groveling. I will try not to take anything here personal, hopefully we are all on the same page. The devils advocate can be a fun role, I thought about pushing it to the extreme, but feared being kicked off and possibly never be heard from again.

Gents, have a good day!
[Beer]

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 13:02
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads18/150019_1473977245511_1116060138_31121129_1717255_n 1289599347.jpg

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 13:06
http://image.patriotpost.us.s3.amazonaws.com/2010-11-17-chronicle.jpg

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 13:10
We will be flying next month, I am going to write on my ass i"f you can read this FUCK OFF."

Ink wont show, but you can always use electrical tape to write that! [ROFL1]

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 13:16
What Ron Paul has to say about this subject:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944

2ndChildhood
11-18-2010, 14:01
Good for Ron Paul!


What Ron Paul has to say about this subject:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/clip.php?appid=599164944

Epyon
11-18-2010, 14:06
To those who feel it might bring most sheep comfort to single out anyone that "looks" Muslim or has a Muslim sounding name I just have to ask... does McVeigh, or Kaczynski sound like a Muslim name? Do either of those idiots "look" like they're Muslim? Or what if a white American decides to pull some terrorist attack, throw a religion under the bus, and then commit suicide after pulling off said attack?

EDIT: Just saw the Ron Paul video, I don't usually like either political party but I do like the way this guy thinks. Too bad more people in his party aren't as practical as he is.

Irving
11-18-2010, 14:11
We've already been over the point that public profiling isn't the answer. Well, at least that was the side that I was on. You hadn't joined up yet Epyon.

ghettodub
11-18-2010, 14:12
Ooh, i bet this thread will get way more fun now!

All i know is that Pedobear is super excited to get a job with TSA

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Pedobear.png

bellavite1
11-18-2010, 14:15
What is the big deal?
If somebody wants to take a peak at my fat ass, knock yourself out![ROFL1]

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 14:49
To those who feel it might bring most sheep comfort to single out anyone that "looks" Muslim or has a Muslim sounding name I just have to ask... does McVeigh, or Kaczynski sound like a Muslim name? Do either of those idiots "look" like they're Muslim? Or what if a white American decides to pull some terrorist attack, throw a religion under the bus, and then commit suicide after pulling off said attack?

EDIT: Just saw the Ron Paul video, I don't usually like either political party but I do like the way this guy thinks. Too bad more people in his party aren't as practical as he is.


I wasn't aware either of those guys...or any other non-Muslims for that matter...flew any airplanes into buildings (except the white guy down in TX who flew HIS OWN plane, occupied by no one but him, into the IRS building...I'm not sure that incident really equates to terrorism, though). Do white, non-Muslims commit crimes in this country? Yes. Is that who we're looking at to potentially bring down airplanes? Unless you're one of the PC geniuses who works for the US government the answer is "No".

How, exactly, does someone sending a bomb through the mail or detonating an explosives laden truck in front of a building have anything to do with government-sanctioned invasion of privacy at airports?

Now, if the government wants to start arbitrarily searching my mail or my vehicle because some white nut-job blows someone up, we'll talk.

In my opinion, regarding the topic of airport security, if you don't see how profiling - or at a minimum devoting an inordinate amount of attention to - Muslims traveling by air over virtually 100% of American citizens then you're just naive and don't really understand the problem. And it's not a matter of bringing "comfort" to people. It's a matter of being smart enough to realize that basically all terror attacks against aircraft in this day and age are perpetrated by Muslims. It's a matter of using tactics that work.

How many terror attacks have TSA procedures stopped again?

Thanks for the input but I'd prefer to put my safety into the hands of just about anyone over the TSA.

Elhuero
11-18-2010, 14:50
To those who feel it might bring most sheep comfort to single out anyone that "looks" Muslim or has a Muslim sounding name I just have to ask... does McVeigh, or Kaczynski sound like a Muslim name? Do either of those idiots "look" like they're Muslim? Or what if a white American decides to pull some terrorist attack, throw a religion under the bus, and then commit suicide after pulling off said attack?


lol the all inclusive "what if"

so easily molded to whatever cockamamie fantasy one chooses to concoct.

how about a shot of some facts:

neither of those guys hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings, neither did they do their crimes in the name of their god.

airports should have security. but the way our idiot government is going about it is like administering an enema to cure a toothache.

until we recognize the problem (muslim extremist terrorists) and act appropriately to stop the threat (no more political correctness, swift harsh punishment for the ones we catch) it will just get worse and worse.

as someone has pointed out, our government and the TSA are handing terrorists victory on a silver platter.

the TSA sucks. I traveled a lot for a few years and I can tell you first hand that nothing they do makes any difference. It's a big bloody waste of money. They are worse then cops. Simply by saying something to them that they don't like you can be arrested and charged with a felony.

I don't remember the guy's name, and now I can't find it... but there's a quote from a former director of security for El Al that said "America doesn't have a system of airport security, it has a system to annoy people"

BigBear
11-18-2010, 14:53
is like administering an enema to cure a toothache.



So that's why it's not working.... [ROFL2]

Elhuero
11-18-2010, 14:58
Ink wont show, but you can always use electrical tape to write that! [ROFL1]


heh have fun pulling it off

Hoosier
11-18-2010, 14:59
Muslims, or people with Muslim sounding names, are the ones you should be concerned with. Leave Mr and Mrs Average American alone already.

RICHARD REID AGREES WITH YOUR FOOL PROOF PLAN, KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK.

H.

Hoosier
11-18-2010, 15:01
To those who feel it might bring most sheep comfort to single out anyone that "looks" Muslim or has a Muslim sounding name I just have to ask... does McVeigh, or Kaczynski sound like a Muslim name? Do either of those idiots "look" like they're Muslim? Or what if a white American decides to pull some terrorist attack, throw a religion under the bus, and then commit suicide after pulling off said attack?

+1


EDIT: Just saw the Ron Paul video, I don't usually like either political party but I do like the way this guy thinks. Too bad more people in his party aren't as practical as he is.

I think if the Tea Party really believed what they said, they would all be staunch supporters of Ron Paul. The more they shun him the more I suspect their (leaders) goals have less to do with taxes and more to do with GOP/Dem control.

H.

Irving
11-18-2010, 15:10
How can you be charged with a felony? What charges would you be brought up on?

ghettodub
11-18-2010, 15:15
The more they shun him the more I suspect their (leaders) goals have less to do with taxes and more to do with GOP/Dem control.

H.

Agreed

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 15:15
RICHARD REID AGREES WITH YOUR FOOL PROOF PLAN, KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK.

H.

Yeah...Who coulda seen that one coming. A real surprise. The government only had several years to investigate this guy's background:
Upon his release from prison in 1996[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-guardian_02-28-02-7) he joined the Brixton Mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brixton_Mosque).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_01-14-02-8)[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-10) He later began attending the Finsbury Park Mosque (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_London_Central_Mosque) in North London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_London) headed at that time by the anti-American cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri) and described as "the heart of the extremist Islamic culture" in Britain.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_02-12-02-2)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_01-14-02-8) By 1998 Reid was voicing extremist views,[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_02-12-02-2) and may have fallen under the sway of "terrorist talent spotters and handlers" allied with Al Qaeda.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_01-14-02-8)

He spent 1999 and 2000 in Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and trained at a terrorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist) camp in Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), according to several informants.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_02-12-02-2) He may also have attended an anti-American religious training center in Lahore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore), Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) as a follower of Mubarak Ali Gilani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubarak_Ali_Gilani).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-11) During this time he met Saajid Badat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saajid_Badat).


After his return Reid set about obtaining duplicate passports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passports) from British government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) consulates abroad. Reid next resided at numerous places in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe), communicating via an address in Peshawar, Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar,_Pakistan), a city known for its Al Qaeda connections.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_02-12-02-2) In July 2001, Reid flew to Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel), passing through the El Al Airline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Airline)'s very tight security network, in what was possibly a test of his ability to pass through airport security screening anywhere.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29#cite_note-time_01-14-02-8) He then moved to Amsterdam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam), living there from August 2001 through November 2001, working as a dishwasher.


(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29)And, even when the evidence a Muslim is a potential terrorist is in government databases (Abdulmutallab) and the family warns the US government he's a threat, he isn't stopped. Until passengers stop him. Just like they did Reid.

So, remind me, again, how many terror attacks has TSA prevented with their current (post 9/11) security procedures?

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 15:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr4rNR3CdxY

funkfool
11-18-2010, 15:23
Welcome to DIA (http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2010/11/dia-pat-downs-and-body-scans/):

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1117/20101117__20101118_A01_CD18PATDOWN~p3.JPG (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=3414771 )

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 15:32
Oh...and then there's this, too:

On December 21, 2001, Reid attempted to board a flight from Paris, France to Miami, Florida, but his boarding was delayed because his disheveled physical appearance aroused the suspicions of the airline passenger screeners. Reid also did not answer all of their questions, and had not checked any luggage for the transatlantic flight. Additional screening by the French National Police[13] resulted in Reid's being re-issued a ticket for a flight on the following day. He returned to the Paris airport on December 22, 2001, and he boarded American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami, wearing his special shoes packed with plastic explosives in their hollowed-out bottoms.
Because he was singled out due to his appearance his departure was delayed by a day. It just so happens that weather and perspiration conspired against Reid. Even though he was able to board a plane the next day the fuse in his shoe bomb was too damp to ignite.

So, maybe it's just me, but I don't get your point about Reid...unless it's that he didn't have a Muslim name. There were plenty of other clues about his background and behavior the US government coulda picked up on.

StagLefty
11-18-2010, 15:33
Welcome to DIA (http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2010/11/dia-pat-downs-and-body-scans/):

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1117/20101117__20101118_A01_CD18PATDOWN~p3.JPG (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=3414771 )

cough cough cough !!!

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 15:33
"Don't touch my junk, Bro!"

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 15:33
RICHARD REID AGREES WITH YOUR FOOL PROOF PLAN, KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK.

H.

You got a point... I would add "LOOK" into the screening too. Tada, you just screen out 90% of the terrorists. Richard Reid failed to detonate because he looked extremely suspicious and got kicked out from the previous flight. The 24 hour delay is the reason why the shoe did not detonate. Profiling saved lifes in this case.

http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/77/b3/152372f44262ab6772e5110a3251.jpeg

ghettodub
11-18-2010, 15:43
cough cough cough !!!

should bring a yearly physical form for them to sign when they're done

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 15:48
How can you be charged with a felony? What charges would you be brought up on?

Interfering with a federal official in the course of their duties er some shit.

If that wont stick I'm Sure they will find some other ambiguous bullshit to stick you with.

ERNO
11-18-2010, 15:56
You give the government an inch, and they will take a mile.
Do I have any answers about solving the problem of airport security, while keeping everbody happy: I'm sorry to say that I don't.
But I believe the problem with the private parts patdowns by the TSA goons is not going to last very long, because of the public furor and it's already in the courts with two pilots of a private air company challenging the patdowns.
Radio talk show host, and White House reporter, Lester Consolveing challenged W.H. press sec. GIBBS with the question that why homosexuals should be allowed as TSA Patdowners. Les said on his talk show last night "that homosexuals should be screened out with investigations in their history and on their employment application forms."
Les also said that "I don't want to be groped by a homosexual."
I'm against racial or cultural profiling by airport screeners. If we had that system, all the white people would freely walk thru security, while the rest: blacks, hispanics, Middle Eastern types would be subject to more advanced searches.



Erno

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 15:59
You forgot the Asian! The model minority [ROFL1] BTW.. by definition middle eastern are Caucasian.


The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid[1]) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia

ghettodub
11-18-2010, 16:03
You forgot the Asian! The model minority [ROFL1] BTW.. by definition middle eastern are Caucasian.

Yep, just look at Jesus, he was TOTALLY a white guy!

http://bobbleheadsofcelebrity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Buddy_christ.jpg

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 16:07
because of the public furor and it's already in the courts with two pilots of a private air company challenging the patdowns.


Yeah, Ron Paul also pointed this out and I concur.
I believe that if anyone should be excempted from any sort of screening its the pilots. They have control of the plane already and we give them a gun. Where's the logic?

Epyon
11-18-2010, 16:37
So let's see... anyone that "looks" like a Muslim right?? Okay, look for long bushy beards, very long shirts with pot bellies, they might be hiding explosives. Do any of these guys look like they might fit that description?

http://www.reddirtreport.com/images/news/images/911hijackers.jpg

So do we just broad brush anyone who looks like they're from the Middle East all the way to Burma? There are many people who are of Middle Eastern descent that you wouldn't even know unless you asked, not even their names give them away. And what of someone who is Israeli but they look Arabic? Are we to also curb the right of law abiding Muslim Americans or anyone who happens to be the wrong shade of tan? People can also change their "race" by clothing, hair, facial hair, etc.

Let's not forget about John Walker Lindh, sounds like a good ol' boy's kinda name. Till he decided to go to Afghanistan and oppose the US troops. The point is a professional terrorist will do what they will and exploit weaknesses vs. a complete noob who's just guzzling religious rhetoric from a fanatical group and fails at their mission. Don't forget that just because an enemy is known to use one well known tactic that it is the only tactic they have. Terrorists are terrorists regardless of what religion/cause they hide behind.

Epyon
11-18-2010, 16:39
Yeah, Ron Paul also pointed this out and I concur.
I believe that if anyone should be excempted from any sort of screening its the pilots. They have control of the plane already and we give them a gun. Where's the logic?

Government and logic aren't usually used as synonyms. [Muaha]

MB888, do you mean Asian as in east Asians, such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean? Or are you including south Asians, such as those from India, Bangladesh, Nepal? Both tend to be called the model minority. I fall into the latter half hence why the topic kinda fires me up more so than others.

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 16:43
Maybe just start Muslim Air, non muslims can't fly theirs and they can't fly any other.

Heard Virgin air is going to change it's name.

Anton
11-18-2010, 16:46
So let's see... anyone that "looks" like a Muslim right?? Okay, look for long bushy beards, very long shirts with pot bellies, they might be hiding explosives. Do any of these guys look like they might fit that description?

http://www.reddirtreport.com/images/news/images/911hijackers.jpg

Yeah! You're right. With names like Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi it would've been impossible to guess that they were secretly Islamic terrorists. I mean, come on!

As an aside, why the fuck do we give green cards to people from countries like Saudi Arabia and Yemen? Did the British bring Boers to London by the boatload during the Boer Wars? It doesn't make sense.

Epyon
11-18-2010, 16:53
Anton, yes these people had Muslim names, but what if say they chose to use a Hindu name on fake IDs? Some of them could also pass as being from India vs. being Middle Eastern.

Anton
11-18-2010, 16:57
Anton, yes these people had Muslim names, but what if say they chose to use a Hindu name on fake IDs?

Then that at least adds the possibility that their fake IDs will be discovered and they will go straight to jail, interrupting whatever plot they may have been involved in.

Groping nuns and three year olds does absolutely nothing to add to our security. El Al's track record proves that profiling works and they don't even have to feel you up.

ChunkyMonkey
11-18-2010, 17:22
Anton, yes these people had Muslim names, but what if say they chose to use a Hindu name on fake IDs? Some of them could also pass as being from India vs. being Middle Eastern.

[ROFL1] All asian look the same to you too I bet. [Beer]

Epyon
11-18-2010, 17:23
I agree groping three year olds is disgusting, as for nuns depends on if the woman has a fetish for it or is a stripper. [Muaha]

I don't know much about El Al, guess I'll do some reading there. Also, fake IDs aren't always caught.

MB888 other way around, most white people can't tell us apart. Unless it involves blowing up another country, most born Americans don't even know much about geography and that's from personal experience.

Anton
11-18-2010, 17:26
I don't know much about El Al, guess I'll do some reading there. Also, fake IDs aren't always caught.

I didn't realize you were an expert on fake IDs. I'm thankful that you bring such amazing knowledge as 'Arabs look like Indians' and 'fake IDs aren't always caught' to the debate. You've really opened my mind.

hollohas
11-18-2010, 17:35
I fly every single week for work. Sure I have a choice not to fly...that same choice will cost me my job.

I couldn't care less if some a-hole behind a computer screen sees some black-and-white holloas junk. I couldn't care less if someone gives me a pat down...if they have good reason. That's the key to me. This is about our constitution. And since when is it ok to give unwarranted virtual strip searches of people without cause? What is this nation coming to? This is a major slippery slope and I believe it is in DIRECT violation of our great constitution and can't believe people are more upset about some radiation or someone seeing their boobies.

You do not give up your rights by buying a plane ticket. It is the Federal Government requiring and performing the body scans and pat downs...not a private company that requires it in order to use their services. Our own government continues to blatantly violate our constitutional rights.

It's not hard to imagine these same "precautions" can translate into searching our houses without warrants. Or that some terrorist will put a bomb up his ass and then they'll require full cavity searches to fly...'as a precaution people, why are you getting so upset? We're doing this to protect you.'

This is how it happens. We give up some of our hard fought freedoms so Uncle Sam can give us protection. A little more here and a little more there and we're all going to stand around and look at each other and ask "where'd it go."

Well, we gave it up so the government could protect us, don't you remember?

If you believe in your country, your constitution and what it means, this should outrage you even if you don't fly.

Epyon
11-18-2010, 17:35
Anton, any time! I'll totally make yours say McLovin' Jihad-sauce Windsor Helmsley III. :D (Of course I say it all in good fun.) We can run theories all day, but I'd say why not just let EVERYONE carry on board?

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 17:37
Anton, yes these people had Muslim names, but what if say they chose to use a Hindu name on fake IDs? Some of them could also pass as being from India vs. being Middle Eastern.

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FUCK!?!

I'm Sorry, what I meant to say is, really?


just...
wow

Anton
11-18-2010, 17:39
Anton, any time! I'll totally make yours say McLovin' Jihad-sauce Windsor Helmsley III.

[Stooge]

hollohas
11-18-2010, 17:39
Oh, and one more point. Sure you have a choice to not go through the body scanner or pat down and therefore not fly...but if you go to the airport, stand in line and then choose not to fly so you don't have to get a pat down...$11,000 dollar fine coming your way for not completing the security procedure. Let the government give you an unwarranted search or pay them $11,000...seems right to me.

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 17:40
Oh, for fuck's sake. Profiling extends a little further than just what someone looks like. Or their name. That's just a place to start...not the ending.

hollohas
11-18-2010, 17:44
And another thing. Why the FUCK do the pilots have to go through this shit. What the hell do they need to smuggle a box cutter onto a plane for when they have the controls! They don't need any weapons on board, they can just fly the plane into the ground if they wanted to commit a terrorist act.

Bailey Guns
11-18-2010, 17:48
I propose a change to the old cliche, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

From now on it should be something along the lines of, "I'm from the government and I'm here to sexually assault you, take more than what I should from your pay to give to others who may or may not deserve it, subject you to continual constitutional rights violations and generally fuck things up for you and yours for generations to come...all in the name of safety and equality, of course."

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 17:54
And another thing. Why the FUCK do the pilots have to go through this shit. What the hell do they need to smuggle a box cutter onto a plane for when they have the controls! They don't need any weapons on board, they can just fly the plane into the ground if they wanted to commit a terrorist act.

you forgot that we GIVE THEM A GUN ON THE PLANE!

so yeah, all about the wtf...

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 17:54
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f081.htm

Anton
11-18-2010, 17:59
As far as groping pilots goes...

EgyptAir Flight 990 Air "Accident" Brief (http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2002/aab0201.htm)

He didn't need a boxcutter.

Hoosier
11-18-2010, 18:17
So, maybe it's just me, but I don't get your point about Reid...unless it's that he didn't have a Muslim name. There were plenty of other clues about his background and behavior the US government coulda picked up on.

You said give them special screening if their name sounds Muslim, or they "look" Muslim. My point was Richard Reid didn't have a Muslim name. Looks really are not going to help you either, unless you have a keen eye for discerning who's a Muslim Pakistani and who's a Hindi Indian, for example.

We've already hashed this detail to death in the "Profiling is a good idea" thread. They should have stopped Reid or given him special inspections not because he was Muslim or because he looked funny, but because they had intelligence that this guy was a threat. The failure to connect those dots is just another example of failures in security where it's important, and an abundance of "security" where it looks important.

I did think of a good use for all these backscatter x-ray machines, they could be used to scan 100% of what's going into the hold on a plane. A lot of what's down there isn't related to any passengers on board.

How many of you would fly an airline that had zero security? Or even better, spent that money on making sure their aircraft had absolutely perfect maintenance records? And what if you could fly armed? Sign me up.

H.

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 18:19
As far as groping pilots goes...

EgyptAir Flight 990 Air "Accident" Brief (http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2002/aab0201.htm)

He didn't need a boxcutter.

And making them go through the Xray Dick Measuring Deviceâ„¢ would have affected the outcome exactly how?

Anton
11-18-2010, 18:20
And making them go through the Xray Dick Measuring Deviceâ„¢ would have affected the outcome exactly how?

Exactly.

Anton
11-18-2010, 18:23
Also,

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/saudi-suicide-bomber-hid-ied-his-anal-cavity (http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/saudi-suicide-bomber-hid-ied-his-anal-cavity)

Just something else to think about...

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 18:34
Also,

http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/saudi-suicide-bomber-hid-ied-his-anal-cavity (http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/saudi-suicide-bomber-hid-ied-his-anal-cavity)

Just something else to think about...

On that same note, whats to prevent someone from surgically implanting them in a suicide bomber?

"OK, you wont need This much intestine, This Kidney is Extra, Replace Kidney with Kidney shaped C-4, Intestines with Intestine shaped C-4... remember, when you get on the plane just stick this det-cap in your ass and plug it into the shaving plug socket."

as the adage says "where there is a will, there is a way."

KevDen2005
11-18-2010, 18:45
I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I am really curious of what would actually happen or what one of those awesome TSA screeners would do if they actually found something during a "pat down"

TFOGGER
11-18-2010, 18:50
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

Irving
11-18-2010, 18:51
I'm going to wrecklessly predict that the TSA is a solution without a problem, and the longer it exists, the more likely people will be to turn into home grown terrorists because of it. Then once that happens, the TSA will say, "See? We told you so!"

Of course, most American's are far too squishy in the middle to do anything like that, especially me. Oh how I'd love to knee a 7-11 clerk, I mean TSA agent, right in the fucking mouth as he was feeling around inside my underwear. But I wouldn't love being arrested, having the shit kicked out of me, being thrown in prison, being a felon, and further losing additional rights, just for defending myself against an unjust practice in the first place. Remember my comment about what recourse do you have against your rights being violated by the agents of the government? None.

Irving
11-18-2010, 18:52
I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I am really curious of what would actually happen or what one of those awesome TSA screeners would do if they actually found something during a "pat down"


I'll let you know, when I down a bottle of Viagra and opt out of the X-ray machine next time I fly.

patrick0685
11-18-2010, 19:00
I doubt it will. It will hurt the airlines, but not the TSA. I don't understand why the airlines are throwing an absolute fit over the existence of the TSA in the first place. Is it just as bad to get onto a train or bus?

ya with the airlines bitching enough, and the FAA mad about delayed flights maybe TSA would get there life together

Mtn.man
11-18-2010, 19:04
If you experience an erection lasting 4 hours or more,,,, run to your airport hang a flag on it and hit the pat down line.
Show America you are not afraid to get a gov. feeley.


Also if in the event of a pat down while they are down there it wouldn't hurt to let a squeaky out...

Super I think i smell a bomb.

patrick0685
11-18-2010, 19:48
At DIA the controllers have to pass through security every day, just think you could be getting your junk grabbed everyday as part of your job...lucky[Rant2]

Byte Stryke
11-18-2010, 20:39
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother


Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.

The greatest machines on planet Earth, Human Minds.
We aren't using them, because there is not a fat government contract to sell, train and maintain them.

argonstrom
11-18-2010, 20:46
I'll let you know, when I down a bottle of Viagra and opt out of the X-ray machine next time I fly.

I was merely thinking about reading a Playboy before going through the xray machine, but that's thinking!!![ROFL1]

patrick0685
11-18-2010, 22:07
you think i told them i was gay they would give me a lady agent?

Hoosier
11-18-2010, 22:12
I'm going to refer to the machine as the DMD, see if the agent's face tells that they understand. Apparently, it's the nickname for them.

Dick Measuring Device

I'm wondering if I can get away with flipping a bit of finger?

H.

Marlin
11-19-2010, 06:28
Back in the dark corners of my mind that spawn ideas when stuff I'm doing at work does not require much thought.

Yesterday, the one it came up with was, *if* the airlines and airports had come up with a TSA like security system

on their own, with no government assistance or dictates at all. Completely private, would there still be the furor?

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 08:01
Back in the dark corners of my mind that spawn ideas when stuff I'm doing at work does not require much thought.

Yesterday, the one it came up with was, *if* the airlines and airports had come up with a TSA like security system

on their own, with no government assistance or dictates at all. Completely private, would there still be the furor?

it would never fly
Could you imagine if a NON-Federal agent had groped a 3 year old child while she is screaming "don't touch me!"?

and as I understand it the airports have the option of implementing their own private security measures in lieu of the TSA System after the initial 2 years

Bitter Clinger
11-19-2010, 09:17
Here ya go, problem solved.....for now.

http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/

On a complete different note, have any of you ever read 1984 by George Orwell?

Mtn.man
11-19-2010, 09:53
Heard on the news several law students to file suit against tsa i think for viloation of the 4th amendment

hollohas
11-19-2010, 10:00
Heard on the news several law students to file suit against tsa i think for viloation of the 4th amendment

I hope so and I'm sure there's more to come.

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 11:56
Heard on the news several law students to file suit against tsa i think for viloation of the 4th amendment


I hope so and I'm sure there's more to come.


talk about being torn...

I hope they sue the living shit out of the TSA and get BILLIONS for all of the travellers than have been traumatized, exploited and bullied by these overpaid walmart greeters


on the other hand...
it's our tax dollars that will pay any settlement

hollohas
11-19-2010, 12:05
talk about being torn...

I hope they sue the living shit out of the TSA and get BILLIONS for all of the travellers than have been traumatized, exploited and bullied by these overpaid walmart greeters


on the other hand...
it's our tax dollars that will pay any settlement

Lawsuits aren't always about monetary settlements. This can simply be a case of suing the feds because they have violated the constitution...so the courts say they can no longer use body scanners or pat downs unless they have reasonable suspicion that a person is hiding something deadly. Of course, either way, our tax dollars would pay the federal lawyers defending the case...

Irving
11-19-2010, 12:21
I can't think of a more worthy way to spend my tax money, than to protect my rights.

ghettodub
11-19-2010, 12:21
I can't think of a more worthy way to spend my tax money, than to protect my rights.

+1

hollohas
11-19-2010, 12:26
I can't think of a more worthy way to spend my tax money, than to protect my rights.

Word.

ERNO
11-19-2010, 14:52
"Passengers have complained about the Close Encounters with TSA.
Some offer graphic accounts of genital contact, others tell of agents gawking or making inappropriate comments, and many express a general sense of powerlessness and humiliation. In general passengers are saying they are surprised by the intimacy of a physical search usually reserved for police encounters"
"Representatives fom various rights groups say reports about security agent's behavior run the gamut from respectful and apologetic to aggressive and hostile. Disabled travelers, parents traveling with children, victims of sexual assault and people with medical devices or health issues have expressed concerns about how the new policy affects their ability to fly."
"In other cases, passengers may be randomly selected for a physical search."
"For the protests this coming Wednesday, WeWontFly.com and OptOutDay.com support the boldest passengers to strip down to their underwear before entering the security line."

OneGuy67
11-19-2010, 15:15
it would never fly
Could you imagine if a NON-Federal agent had groped a 3 year old child while she is screaming "don't touch me!"?

and as I understand it the airports have the option of implementing their own private security measures in lieu of the TSA System after the initial 2 years


Keep in mind, the TSA people aren't Federal Agents, they are Transportation Security Officers...read, federally paid security. They do not have federal powers that Federal Agent's have.

Here is the list of minimal requirements for being a security officer:

Duties and Responsibilities: Implements security-screening procedures that are central to Transportation Security Administration (TSA) objectives and that will serve to protect the traveling public by preventing any deadly or dangerous objects from being transported onto an aircraft. Assists in conducting screening of passengers, baggage and cargo. May be required to conduct screening at any airport that provides commercial services to the public. Assists in monitoring the flow of passengers through the screening checkpoint to facilitate the orderly and efficient processing of passengers. Maintains close communication with supervisors regarding any issues that might reveal a weakness or vulnerable area of security screening that is discovered in the course of screening duties. Participates in information briefings concerning security-sensitive or classified information.

Key Skills

Ability to learn the theories, dynamics, and factors underlying the aviation screening process to enable authoritative and independent handling of screening functions.
Ability to learn to operate basic security equipment such as X-ray machines and hand wands at screening checkpoints
Ability to work with persons of diverse backgrounds
Ability to communicate non-technical information effectively to othersPay scale:

$25,518 minimum to $44,007 maximum


Personally, I would prefer a transfer back to the private security. When TSA was developed, the PD I worked for had to provide security for the hotel that was taken over to hire these TSA security people. Long lines, lots of people and we were averaging 3-5 arrests a day for warrants, etc. for the people showing up to get hired.

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 15:41
during a discussion this morning a very good point was brought up.

IF*
you look at an electronic image of a nude child
OR
You touched the Genetalia of a Child

where would you be right now?


Why do we allow our government to do this to us and our children?
Will it be used in the future as a defense? ie:"I molest children because I was molested at an airport."
we know that child abuse perpetuates abuse... are we condoning it?


debate

OneGuy67
11-19-2010, 15:59
I was staying out of this discussion for the past few days, but here I am wading in.

The two things that I think we did to improve airline and aircraft safety were to arm the pilots and secure the cockpit door. Anything past that was to satisfy the fear of the flying populace and keep an industry that is barely surviving from falling apart altogether, which would have made the government feel the need to intervene and get into the industry. Read: government airlines. After 9/11, the airports had (unarmed) National Guard standing around as a show of force to make the population feel safer. Did it make it safer? Not really.

hip55
11-19-2010, 15:59
I think its a great idea. In fact, I think we should all have to get cavity searches whenever we choose to fly. After all, flying isn't a right, so we give up whatever rights and self-respect we have as soon as we purchase a ticket. There have already been instances of suicide attacks using 'internal' bombs so we need to do it for our own good. You want to be safe right? Then bend over. You don't like it? Quit your whinging citizen!

Its fucking pathetic what has happened to America and mankind in general.

[Beer]

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 16:11
I was staying out of this discussion for the past few days, but here I am wading in.

The two things that I think we did to improve airline and aircraft safety were to arm the pilots and secure the cockpit door. Anything past that was to satisfy the fear of the flying populace and keep an industry that is barely surviving from falling apart altogether, which would have made the government feel the need to intervene and get into the industry. Read: government airlines. After 9/11, the airports had (unarmed) National Guard standing around as a show of force to make the population feel safer. Did it make it safer? Not really.

so:
Ticket sales are down, Airlines scramble, increase fees, rates, charge extra for carry-ons, Checked bags, etc.. Further alienating travellers
NOW...
Citizen have a No Fly day... fewer people want to fly, people choose alternative transport modes in retaliation to as well as in fear of TSA (I have a friend just drove from NC to CO and Back because he has an artificial hip and is tired of Cavity searches)
Customer base is now even more alienated, Sales Plumet, Airlines collapse and scream for their bailouts, again...

so either we let these "Security guards" Feel us up or our taxes go up...
WTF?

It's NOT doing anything except making a mockery of us for the rest of the world.

OneGuy67
11-19-2010, 16:26
I don't disagree a bit Byte. The industry is eating itself. Federal law actually allows airports to opt out of using TSA screeners and hire private security that have to be trained by TSA.

I don't like to fly anymore due to the security searches. I drove to Louisiana and to Missouri for training classes I had with the Guard instead of fly. When I do have to fly, I wear and carry as little as possible in order to try to get through security with minimal issues.

Hell, when my damn unit was deploying to Iraq in 2008, we all had to be screened, had to remove our boots and belts and some were hand searched with the wands and the old search methods. C'mon! Really!

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 16:30
I have said this before but its stupid enough to bear repeating
The Dumbest thing ever done by our government in regards to the TSA.
Screening Pilots...
Umm, They already have control of the aircraft and we GIVE them a GUN!




[Rant2]

hollohas
11-19-2010, 16:34
There's not much that these scanners or pat downs will find that the metal detectors won't already find. They say that they can find ceramic knives that the metal detectors can't...well yes, that is true. But if anyone thinks that after 9/11 any red-blooded passengers on board a plane are going to let some ass-hat with a knife take the plane they are way off base. The ONLY reason that the 3 planes that succeeded did so is because prior to 9/11 terrorists that took planes always landed them. Once we found out that these guys weren't going to land the plane...well, the 4th plane proves what happens then.

There is no way in hell that any American plane will be hijacked ever again, unless it's by a rouge pilot already at the controls. There are too many Americans that will stand up against one terrorist, or ten, with box cutters. Like I said before, I fly almost every week and would not hesitate to attempt to stop a terrorist with a knife or any other weapon on a plane and I know many other's would do the same.

The TSA has touted that they have stopped hundreds of prohibited items from getting on planes with these devices already...mostly drugs. I bet if this goes on, even after ten years they won't be able to give one instance that these pat downs or machines stopped a guy with something like a bomb that could actually do any damage.

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 16:44
The TSA has touted that they have stopped hundreds of prohibited items from getting on planes with these devices already.e.


trashcans at Airports all over the country are filled with beverage bottles to that testament.
Stopping people from buying reasonably priced beverages!
Saving one American at a time!
/sarcasm

Ah Pook
11-19-2010, 16:48
This could be interesting.

Sanford Airport to opt out of TSA screening (http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html)

This reminds me of the frog and boiling water scenario. What will the populace take before they revolt?

DeusExMachina
11-19-2010, 16:59
If selected, I'll be opting out on Wednesday. It is national opt-out day afterall. Just want to be patriotic. :D

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 17:08
This could be interesting.

Sanford Airport to opt out of TSA screening (http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html)

This reminds me of the frog and boiling water scenario. What will the populace take before they revolt?



The TSA points out that even if an airport decides to use a private firm for security, the screeners still must follow TSA guidelines. That would include using enhanced pat-downs and the full-body scanners if they are installed at the airport.

someone will go to prison.
The ONLY reason someone hasn't charged a TSA officer with molestation is that they are "federal officials" etc etc.

let a security guard from "Acme Airport" security grab a child's genitalia.
National news

Mtn.man
11-19-2010, 17:21
I know air travel is a needed service however I don' give a shit if they are starving for $$$. They fucked us a long time and if they can't get off their ass and say no to the TSA then let the CEO's do without their Million $$$ bonuses.
The 1's chargeing for check in bags report a 1+ billion$ profit for JUST last 1/4.

And Anton needs to get a girlfriend/boyfreind and a life. FUCK your cavity search A hole. Hip you can join him. Fags must love that shit...

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 17:46
and here is a lovely picture of some Jedi Squirrels

edit:
someone removed my squirrels :(
so



http://friskymongoose.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/distraction1.jpg
http://www.amcgltd.com/archives/squirrel-jedi%20Medium%20Web%20view.jpg

Ah Pook
11-19-2010, 19:34
Comes out Tuesday. What Timing.

bTJ9v1s1Oak

Anton
11-19-2010, 19:47
And Anton needs to get a girlfriend/boyfreind and a life. FUCK your cavity search A hole.

I think you missed the sarcasm.

Mtn.man
11-19-2010, 20:24
Better be cause I aint got time for pussies.

patrick0685
11-19-2010, 20:25
This has gotten a little out of hand I believe

clublights
11-19-2010, 20:53
I dunno what everyone is so upset about ...............

This is how Obama is going to bring healthcare costs down. Right beforte the picture was taken the TSA " doctor" told the gentleman to turn his head and cough.

see free hernia inspections. next up free prostate exams....
[ROFL2]


Welcome to DIA (http://photos.denverpost.com/mediacenter/2010/11/dia-pat-downs-and-body-scans/):

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/1117/20101117__20101118_A01_CD18PATDOWN~p3.JPG (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=3414771 )

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 21:26
This has gotten a little out of hand I believe
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdworld/2007/10/train.jpg

Irving
11-19-2010, 22:44
Better be cause I aint got time for pussies.

That's what some of my gay friends say.


I'm going to have to read back a few pages and see what Anton said that caused such an explosion.

Anton
11-19-2010, 23:17
Better be cause I aint got time for pussies.

I'm going to hold my tongue for the sake of my future on this board, but suffice it to say that if you can't recognize irony that's a failure on your part, not mine. Sadly, we probably agree on many issues, including ones that cannot reasonably be presented here.

Byte Stryke
11-19-2010, 23:36
Kiss and make up or friggin walk away.
That was the biggest Burning derailed train-wreck picture I could find. If this escalates I am out of pictures!
[ROFL1]

hurley842002
11-19-2010, 23:45
Kiss and make up or friggin walk away.
That was the biggest Burning derailed train-wreck picture I could find. If this escalates I am out of pictures!
[ROFL1]

[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]

DeusExMachina
11-20-2010, 00:15
Maybe Mr. TSA screener can give me some advice on hemerroid medication.

Byte Stryke
11-20-2010, 00:40
Maybe Mr. TSA screener can give me some advice on hemerroid medication.



WAY too much information there Deus.

DeusExMachina
11-20-2010, 00:42
[ROFL1] [ROFL3]

Figured it could only help the thread. [Tooth]

DeusExMachina
11-20-2010, 00:53
http://rawjustice.com/2010/11/19/distressed-toddler-gets-a-tsa-pat-down/

That...made me mad.

Byte Stryke
11-20-2010, 01:10
http://rawjustice.com/2010/11/19/distressed-toddler-gets-a-tsa-pat-down/

That...made me mad.


If YOU touch a child like that your goose is cooked, you are done. life as you know it is over.
You'd have so many officers beating on you screaming "COMPLY!" you'd think you had "Everlast" Stamped on your ass.

But you know with the hardened threat of 3 year old Caucasian Toddlers, The TSA is just keeping us safe.

I understand the need for rules, but there should never be a rule in this country that advocates the striping of our constitutional rights and the uncontentious victimization and molestation of a child by ANYONE.

Thing is, had they waited for the baby to calm down, given her back the teddy bear, explained it to her, Said "OK, Teddy is going to walk through the detector, and he will meet your right here." (2 feet away) The whole situation may well have been averted and there would have been no need for the groping and fondling of a toddler as well as the ensuing PR nightmare.

Logic, Patience and Understanding.
Dad knows.

hollohas
11-20-2010, 10:58
Did this get posted yet?

HR 6416 - American Traveler Dignity Act (http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1796&Itemid=60)

I'll be contacting my reps, not that it ever matters...Perlmutter is a major tool and the email replies from his office in the past have always just told me I'm wrong.

henpecked
11-20-2010, 11:04
"Hey Tom, can you come over here for a minute please? I found this white unlit fuse inside this ladies panties. What should I do?"


"You idiot, that is a tampon string".

Ranger
11-20-2010, 11:41
Wow, there is some serious ranting in this thread! I'm all for profiling, I'm all against political correctness and the BS that comes with it. You know what, if they feel the need to search me and accidentally touch my "junk", so be it, because if some other asshat has something hiding near HIS boy bits then I'm damn glad it's been searched.

Air travel is nothing more than an bus that flies and there is nothing special about it, it's a choice like taking the train or any other form of transportation, so these idiots who complain can walk for all I care. Since this "bus" is also a potential missile, the extra steps by TSA don't piss me off one bit unless I miss my flight - but if I get there two hours ahead of time as recommended then I never have a problem, and I travel quite a bit.

I will, however, admit that there are plenty of things that need to be done to make this process a bit more tasteful - that thing with searching prosthetic limbs of frightened children, that needs to be done WITH the parents and I see no reason why not.

Let's face it, TSA are basically a bunch of union mall security guards - it's not like we are dealing with the military here, so we have to remember that for $12 an hour you get stupid crap that pisses people off.

And in my book, if you resemble in any way a terrorist, strip search! I don't give a rats ass about profiling, if you have your African ceremonial garb on then sorry bud you have to have it checked. And if you look like a white meth head, then those false teeth have to come out too.

Irving
11-20-2010, 12:32
Ranger, would you change your appearance when going to a different country just so you didn't appear to be an American?

Ranger
11-20-2010, 12:40
If I had nefarious designs in that country, sure, but I'm a law abiding citizen with nothing to hide. I assume you ask this because of the African Ceremonial Garb statement, and yes I understand that whoever is wanting to take a plane down will likely not LOOK the role, I was simply making a point.

Irving
11-20-2010, 12:45
So you're so proud to be an American, that you'd still dress and look like one in other countries, if it meant mandatory strip searching at every airport you go through? You wouldn't have any complaints about that?

ERNO
11-20-2010, 13:14
Profiling may work in Israel, but it will be impossible to work in such places as La Guardia airport in New York.

DOC
11-20-2010, 13:20
The 9/11 hijackers weren't dressed in their ceremonial death garbs when they boarded the plane. They wore button down shirts, kakis and they shaved off the man pleasing beards too. Hell I bet they showered sometime that week too. All in an effort to slip past screeners and carry out the plot to kill Americans. It worked. Profiling won't work forever the people pulling the strings of these sacrificial lackys will think of a way around it. And they can wait a long time too.

th3w01f
11-20-2010, 14:08
The 9/11 hijackers weren't dressed in their ceremonial death garbs when they boarded the plane. They wore button down shirts, kakis and they shaved off the man pleasing beards too. Hell I bet they showered sometime that week too. All in an effort to slip past screeners and carry out the plot to kill Americans. It worked. Profiling won't work forever the people pulling the strings of these sacrificial lackys will think of a way around it. And they can wait a long time too.

You’re correct that profiling won’t work in every case but it can definitely cut down on the number of people needing to be screened.

(This part is not in response to Doc and just a general comment) There are some people who are obviously not a threat and there are people who have to fly for a living so saying “don’t fly if you don’t like it really isn’t an option” What if you had to get a pat down and breathalyzer test every time you had to drive to work? Driving isn’t a right either.

I’ve been through these screenings 9 times in the last two weeks and it’s just getting worse.

jmg8550
11-20-2010, 14:21
I think its a great idea. In fact, I think we should all have to get cavity searches whenever we choose to fly. After all, flying isn't a right, so we give up whatever rights and self-respect we have as soon as we purchase a ticket. There have already been instances of suicide attacks using 'internal' bombs so we need to do it for our own good. You want to be safe right? Then bend over. You don't like it? Quit your whinging citizen!

Its fucking pathetic what has happened to America and mankind in general.



I think you meant "subject" in place of "citizen".



Atleast that's how our government sees us. F**K the TSA. I think profiling works. It is working in other countries like Israel.

Elhuero
11-20-2010, 14:38
profiling isn't just about how people look.

it's about a person asking simple questions and gauging people's behavior.

if we had an israeli system here I bet it would have worked on 9/11.

Irving
11-20-2010, 14:41
One question. What is your favorite thing about America?

Bitter Clinger
11-20-2010, 14:42
I wish some bad mofo (like a heavyweight boxer) caught one of these government paid pedophiles molesting his kid and just stomps his fucking teeth into a puddle of mush.

Its bullshit like this that just grinds my gears. Looks like im driving to my next out of state destination. Id be arrested if i tried to fly right now because Id let the sick fucking pedophiles know,LOUDLY, that they are nothing but sick perverts who get off on lording their "power" over children and little old ladies.

Whats next on the list of how to piss of an American? A health check before you can buy junk food? Its not a right. A breathalyzer before you can order that second beer at the ball game? I could actually believe that one. I know im kinda grasping at straws here but im trying to make the point that the more and more of our NON-innumerated rights that we allow our elected criminals take from us, the easier it will be for them to strip away our constitutionally GUARANTEED rights.

Byte Stryke
11-20-2010, 14:43
Profiling may work in Israel, but it will be impossible to work in such places as La Guardia airport in New York.


The 9/11 hijackers weren't dressed in their ceremonial death garbs when they boarded the plane. They wore button down shirts, kakis and they shaved off the man pleasing beards too. Hell I bet they showered sometime that week too. All in an effort to slip past screeners and carry out the plot to kill Americans. It worked. Profiling won't work forever the people pulling the strings of these sacrificial lackys will think of a way around it. And they can wait a long time too.


You’re correct that profiling won’t work in every case but it can definitely cut down on the number of people needing to be screened.

(This part is not in response to Doc and just a general comment) There are some people who are obviously not a threat and there are people who have to fly for a living so saying “don’t fly if you don’t like it really isn’t an option” What if you had to get a pat down and breathalyzer test every time you had to drive to work? Driving isn’t a right either.

I’ve been through these screenings 9 times in the last two weeks and it’s just getting worse.

I think you Guys are confused.

In Israel, They don't profile you by skin color.
The don't care what you are wearing.
You are treated the same if you are wearing Dishtaya or a Yammaka.

The ask you innocuous questions.
Hi, how are you today
Where are you coming from?

They profile human nature.
They get into your head and observe how you react.

You could be a Caucasian/white Female with a child, Everyone is treated the same and spoken to in the same manner.
If your body language and speech hang you up you are pulled for security.

and for those that say " it wont work here because its different."
Bullshit Human nature is the same regardless of your ethnic background, religious beliefs or political orientation.
It's called psychology.

"ye know, dat der fancy head dokter stuff."

give it a read
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/features/article_1547409.php/Israeli-airport-security-skips-scanners-favours-profiling-Feature

Now, allot of people are crying "Racial Profiling!"
speaking as a person that used to fly in and out f the Middle-east to the U.S. at least twice a year... that's already happening.

TFOGGER
11-20-2010, 14:47
Profiling may work in Israel, but it will be impossible to work in such places as La Guardia airport in New York.

If you read the whole article, they are not profiling based on ethnicity, they are looking at behaviours and micro expressions that even the most accomplished of liars cannot control. Their security is multilayered and many of those layers are transparent to the traveller. Their record of safety is unquestioned, and the level of inconvenience is extremely low(unless you're a terrorist). I can't be certain, but I have read somewhere that the number of people they employ for security is roughly half, per passenger, of what the TSA uses. The difference is that they are extensively trained, and are using techniques that are effective. Think about this: They have had exactly ONE security breach in the last 5 years, at an airport that has roughly 80 percent of the traffic that DIA has, smack dab in the middle of the Arab world.

Bitter Clinger
11-20-2010, 14:59
Exactly, Israel aint playing around. They just get shit done[UZI]

patrick0685
11-20-2010, 18:10
give everyone a knife and someone will take down the f*cker before he can do anything

clublights
11-20-2010, 18:15
give everyone a knife and someone will take down the f*cker before he can do anything

Naw give em all guns...........

then who is gunna hijack an airplane?? even if they got 10 guys on one plane.. they would still have 200 guns pointed back at them ........

patrick0685
11-20-2010, 18:21
Naw give em all guns...........

then who is gunna hijack an airplane?? even if they got 10 guys on one plane.. they would still have 200 guns pointed back at them ........

i was going to originally say that, but some ass clown would shoot out a window and test the pilots skills, but anyway arm them all and they will resort back to there chicken shit way of mailing bombs

Irving
11-20-2010, 18:23
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?

clublights
11-20-2010, 18:26
but anyway arm them all and they will resort back to there chicken shit way of mailing bombs

yeah but they could move all the airport x ray and explosive detectors and crap to the post office and FedEx/UPS.. the lines at airports would be so much shorter! LOL [ROFL1]

Bailey Guns
11-20-2010, 18:55
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?

Yes. The only one.

OK...there might be one other person.

Ah Pook
11-20-2010, 19:27
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?
I'm up in the air (no pun intended). There will be the suicidal passengers who will off themselves in the lavatories. That would suck on long flights. At least with knives, the stewardesses will have a chance against hostiles.

clublights
11-20-2010, 21:11
I think I've come up with my new arguement for the anti gun types.....


" Bomb's are illegal but I still have to get my junk felt up every time I get on an airplane... "

Limited GM
11-20-2010, 22:06
I just read the below else where. Interesting about the luggage aspect...

I worked as an airport police officer just after 9/11. At that time civilian screeners were used to man the checkpoints. When TSA swooped in, roving bands of 10-12 of them wandered the concourses randomly screening people who had already pa...ssed through the checkpoint and were waiting to board their flight. In a short period of time, TSA spent BIG bucks on printers on the top of baggage x-ray machines which they did not use to the tune of $80,000 apiece and 1000's of bucks for radio earpieces which were used for about 2 wks. and then discarded because they were uncomfortable for the users. Many of the screeners had never seen what a disassembled pistol looked like on an x-ray machine during training. I took mine apart and sent it though the x-ray in a bag and more than half of them could'nt identify all of the parts. Other than a re-arrangement of the equipment at the checkpoint, I really could see no difference between the civilian and TSA screeners. If anything, one was safer flying when checked by the civilians because they knew what they were doing. It is all smoke and mirrors, folks and I saw TSA grow into the monstrosity it has become. Personally, I will never fly again. How can you be truly safe when they don't check the cargo going into the belly of the plane? Kind of stupid if you ask me.

patrick0685
11-21-2010, 00:43
did you see the latest:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

these should piss off a bunch of people

Byte Stryke
11-21-2010, 00:54
did you see the latest:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40278427/ns/travel-news/?GT1=43001

these should piss off a bunch of people

One-up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40289750/ns/travel

the man that raised his right hand in less that 2 years ago and swore to defend the constitution is saying that its OK to fuck the fourth amendment

patrick0685
11-21-2010, 09:16
And im surprised because, he hasn't done shit for us yet why would this be different

gnihcraes
11-21-2010, 16:23
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=889&g2_serialNumber=1

patrick0685
11-21-2010, 18:37
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=889&g2_serialNumber=1


[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][Beer] +1

henpecked
11-21-2010, 19:15
http://www.2atees.com/TouchMyJunk.html

Byte Stryke
11-21-2010, 19:53
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=889&g2_serialNumber=1


WIN!

Ah Pook
11-21-2010, 20:21
Hmmmmm, I see possibilities.

Hide your junk (http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/home.php)
http://www.rockyflatsgear.com/images/T/xctmp7LOaXd.png

roberth
11-21-2010, 20:46
http://www.dcandh.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=889&g2_serialNumber=1

Someone on Peter Boyles last week suggested the same thing using the Denver Police bomb disposal trailer. I think this is an excellent solution.

theGinsue
11-22-2010, 02:51
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?


Yes. The only one.

OK...there might be one other person.

Due to the very real safety issues associated with the use of a firearm in the pressurized passenger cabin of commercial aircraft, I am against the presence of firearms in the possession of anyone on the plane (in the cargo area, no - it's fine). The solution is to provide or allow tazers to/for the passengers. Stun devices don't pose any danger of piercing the cabin but would certainly incapacitate someone.

theGinsue
11-22-2010, 05:03
Airline tickets need to come with warning labels like everything else does these days:
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt65/theGinsue/3Ray-JergensenNY_labels.jpg
The Warning says: "Prior to boarding, passengers may be physically violated in a manner legally
consistent with sexual misconduct or subject to potential long term health risks and humiliation
from full body imaging found in security screening systems."

Bailey Guns
11-22-2010, 06:29
Due to the very real safety issues associated with the use of a firearm in the pressurized passenger cabin of commercial aircraft, I am against the presence of firearms in the possession of anyone on the plane (in the cargo area, no - it's fine). The solution is to provide or allow tazers to/for the passengers. Stun devices don't pose any danger of piercing the cabin but would certainly incapacitate someone.

I'm not an expert on the subject by any means and my comment to Stuart was tongue in cheek, BTW.

But everything I've heard from commercial pilots leads me to believe that bullets piercing the skin of an aircraft don't pose much of a threat to the safety of the aircraft. There's always the chance the bullet could damage a critical system or electrical wiring or something of that nature...but most systems are redundant.

I don't think there's a huge risk of depressurization from a bullet hole.

Again...that's just what I've read and heard. Of course, there are other risks.

My business partner is an FFDO...he's said a bullet hole (even more than one) through the skin of the plane is really not on the top of his list of worries if he were ever to fire his gun during a flight.

TFOGGER
11-22-2010, 12:34
It gets better:

http://www.vagabondish.com/tsa-rifle-bearing-soldiers-relinquish-nail-clippers/


I mourn the death of common sense.... [Bang]

BigBear
11-22-2010, 12:51
http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/22/as-you-prepare-for-holiday-tra

Irving
11-22-2010, 12:53
Fuck that. I would have thrown them across the fucking room. You want 'em? Go fucking get 'em!

ERNO
11-22-2010, 17:53
IN Maureen Dowd's opt-ed NY, Nov 21: Nuking the White House: "And on Friday, as Americans were rebelling against groping airport pat-downs, the soon to be speaker of the House, who was supposed to travel like real Americans, put himself above the madding crowd.
The Time's Jeff Zeleny was on the scene and reported that John Boehner did not wait in line or go through security: he 'was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.'
So much for Reagan's trust but verify. Now we've got distrust and vilify"

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 18:04
And you think Nancy Pelosi traveled like a real American? Might want to pick a better example next time.

ERNO
11-22-2010, 18:19
And you think Nancy Pelosi traveled like a real American? Might want to pick a better example next time.

I think that anyone who is third in line in case the President or the Vice Pres. cannot perform their duty's deserves a jet. In case he or she had to perform our countrys duty which would probably be in a time of peril. John Boehner's action on refusing a government jet to me is just pure politics, recklessness, plus a strong measure of buffoonery to boot with his knee jerk reaction.


Erno

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 18:23
In which case Mr Boehner would probably get a jet. Ever think he refused a private jet to save tax payers money? Also he can probably skip the pat downs due to the fact that secret service is accompanying him, and well armed to boot.

ERNO
11-22-2010, 18:41
In which case Mr Boehner would probably get a jet. Ever think he refused a private jet to save tax payers money? Also he can probably skip the pat downs due to the fact that secret service is accompanying him, and well armed to boot.

I think it would have been a bad photo-op for John Boehner on having his dick and balls fondled. HELL, some of us "average Joe's" have to go thru that process at an airport, why can't he?
Third, I think it is irresponsible for the third in line, not to have a personel government jet in these trying times.
Also, in case of our country's peril, the third in lines jet should be on-line, gassed-up and ready to go at all-times!

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 18:56
What's irresponsible is the amount of spending and expansion of government thanks in majority to the libs. What's irresponsible is letting the terrorists win. All of these security measures will not stop a terrorist attack without the aid of profiling. Just one more step to make us Americans "feel" safe. We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out. The gov't and TSA answers to this supposed problem are one more nail in the coffin to our freedom. The TSA has never once stopped a terrorist attack. All they have done is inconvenience us.

clublights
11-22-2010, 18:59
with all the bitching we do on this board about how the government wastes money .....You'd think we would be happy he is saving money.........

Now for all the worried about and "what if's" the Secret Service and the Department of Defense are in the being paranoid business.. I'm sure they have plan's and planes ready to go at the drop of a hat. it's what they do.

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 19:06
Agreed.

Especially with all the "carbon emissions" Boehner is saving. [ROFL2]

ERNO
11-22-2010, 19:11
What's irresponsible is the amount of spending and expansion of government thanks in majority to the libs. What's irresponsible is letting the terrorists win. All of these security measures will not stop a terrorist attack without the aid of profiling. Just one more step to make us Americans "feel" safe. We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out. The gov't and TSA answers to this supposed problem are one more nail in the coffin to our freedom. The TSA has never once stopped a terrorist attack. All they have done is inconvenience us.


Profiling might work in a little country like Israel, but it will be impossible to work here in the United States because of the sheer number of flights. Sweden has a new scanner that does not show private parts, which I would advise the Administration on getting. Just be thankful they have not gone on to rectal probing yet, which would cause the collapse of the airline industry. Its just a matter of time when a rectal bomb will get thru U.S. security. Or maybe we should just look-out for a person who walks around looking like he has a banana stuck-up the old asshole, like, firmly parked between his two cheeks!



Erno

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 19:19
I think you missed a sentence: We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out.

Where there is a will, there is a way. They will find a way to carry out their plans and in the mean time, we will have more and more freedoms taken away.

ERNO
11-22-2010, 19:27
I think you missed a sentence: We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out.

Where there is a will, there is a way. They will find a way to carry out their plans and in the mean time, we will have more and more freedoms taken away.

The U.S. will never be able to wipe out all the terrorist groups, unless you make the whole Earth a parking lot!


Erno [Beer]

jmg8550
11-22-2010, 19:32
Therefore we will never be safe no matter what we do. So we should stop wasting time, and the humiliation from the rest of the world, and do the same security measures before the pat downs and body scanners. Air Marshalls do a better job than the TSA and are far better trained at identifying and neutralizing a threat.

Here's a novel idea... Use drug sniffing dogs, they are quicker and more effective than some half educated TSA agent. Also cheaper in the long run.

cstone
11-22-2010, 19:49
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/message-from-tsa/1261478

gnihcraes
11-22-2010, 19:57
New Lego set for Christmas:

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/tz-biz-101118-tsatoy-415p.grid-6x2.jpg

sniper7
11-22-2010, 23:22
So, am I the only one totally okay with people not having guns on airplanes?


I want all the pilots trained and armed.

develop an explosive materials detecting device...whatever chemicals they may be, those people get searched. everyone else can cruise through without being subjected to getting their nuts and tits fondled by some uneducated moron with the intellectual capacity and social skills of a 4th grader.

the biggest threat is not the passengers getting on the airplane...it is the contractors at airports, the employees who can bypass security to work the ramp, that ride the bus in to load bags and park planes, who have direct contact with the planes.

It would be easy for them to infiltrate the system and bring explosives in, right past security, right past the tsa, right under the noses of everyone and plant it on the plane. that is where the biggest hole in security lies right now in my opinion.

the tsa are just .gov thugs that occasionally do something right, but usually only when the bad guys fuck up.
now they have been given the authority to molest people of all ages, including children. that is absolutely FUCKING WRONG

argonstrom
11-22-2010, 23:27
sniper7 wins this thread. [Beer]

DOC
11-23-2010, 00:09
The employee's don't get any breaks, they have to go through the same screening that everyone else does. They just don't have to have a boarding pass.

Irving
11-23-2010, 00:12
Oh I'm totally okay with pilots having guns. Absolutely.

What I'd be even MORE okay with, is the TSA agents getting a full search before and after each shift, just to make sure that they aren't keeping contraband for themselves. Also, they should either be naked or in their underwear the entire shift. This will protect me from having anything "planted" on me if they decide they don't like my attitude; which I WILL have.

sniper7
11-23-2010, 01:22
The employee's don't get any breaks, they have to go through the same screening that everyone else does. They just don't have to have a boarding pass.

not true

sniper7
11-23-2010, 01:36
employees, when working at their base can bypass security. some places have the turn style entrances that bypass the metal detectors and tsa all together. the TSA is everywhere in the airport though. but their random gate checks and searches seem pointless to me. most of the time they stand there with their thumb up their asses pretending to do something and watching someone.

where the security truly lacks is the weakest point. contractors bringing in drills and saws and truckloads of equipment or vans full of stuff.

in the end, trustworthy employees are the key, extensive background checks, profiling, random checks to keep em honest play an important role.

just like you can't keep criminals from owning guns, you won't be able to stop everyone from getting in or getting materials in. the extra layers of security are essential. it needs to be like swiss cheese with several layers. even if something goes through one hole, the next layer of security needs to stop it. the multiple layers will give the greatest chance of success in deterring the threat.

I see the TSA in general as a pretty big hole in the model with a cheap ass badge. They stop "liquids and gels" from entering the secure area, and now they get to grope people and invade their personal privacy. Not to mention the new x-ray machines are actually x-rays and will probably be a contributing factor to cancer caused by too much exposure. They say it adds an extra amount of radiation equal to 2 minutes of flight time.
for me that adds approximately 7 hours of radiation exposure a year. FUCK THAT...

I hope multiple lawsuits are filed and this bullshit they are trying to pull is reversed.

ERNO
11-23-2010, 14:27
NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.
The former offical with the Dept. of Homeland Sec.: 'But we tried that, tried doing security checks on passengers, and a left-right coalition said' "You can't trust the government with this.", such as checking credit records and crimminal histories.
But some travelers say they would rather go through a full body scan than the system at Ben-Gurion airport.
'My experience leaving Tel aviv was by far and away the most unpleasant encounter I've ever had with airport officals in a decade. As best I could tell, things went pretty smoothly as long as you were an Israeli, or traveling with some kind of well-established tour group.' Mr. Yglesias was traveling with a group of journalists. 'The African-American woman in our group was taken off to be questioned.' The Jewish member of his group 'had the easiest time,' he said. 'The black woman had the hardest time.'

DeusExMachina
11-23-2010, 14:52
Thats all BS. My Israeli friend says their security is blazingly fast.

Shin Bet does it by an actual method, instead of randomizing security in the interest of "fairness". If a TSA agent spoke to me about my plans for my trip, where I was going, what I was going to do, etc I would never ever be picked for a security scan. They strike up casual conversation with travellers and any anomalies get investigated.

Irving
11-23-2010, 14:56
I thought Israel had an airport that sees 80% the volume that DIA does?

ChunkyMonkey
11-23-2010, 15:14
NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.


I can only speak from my personal experience. I was all over The Mediterranean and spent 4 days in Israel -- That article like most NYT's articles are biased. I laughed so hard at NYT's Gaza report - I have plenty of pictures I took personally to prove otherwise.

50 flights a day? NYT cannot be more wrong...


Ben Gurion Airport in early 2010 were 7.7 million departing and arriving international passengers, an increase of over 10% over the same period last year. Movement planes first eight months of the year stood at 57,497, an increase of 5% compared to same period in 2009.

Expected increase in traffic during the holidays
The Airports Authority estimates that, during the High Holidays Atsha"a airport are expected to pass approximately 1.18 million passengers and aircraft movements -7370, a 13% increase in passenger traffic and an increase of 9% movement of aircraft, from the same period last year.

IAA CEO, Kobi Mor, said: "The Authority put special emphasis on safety issues, security and passenger service will continue to prepare for increased passenger traffic Holidays various facilities: airport, at the airport in Eilat, at the airports of the Interior - National terminals border

The numbers mentioned in the later article is more aligned to what I have seen. Christian, Jews from all over the world, including other middle east countries made up most of the visitors. I can tell you that I saw all color and races.

ChunkyMonkey
11-23-2010, 15:19
Thats all BS. My Israeli friend says their security is blazingly fast.

The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

trlcavscout
11-23-2010, 15:23
The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

WHAT! They are not obese grumpy women complaining about having to stand all day? Wait that was DIA I guess [ROFL1]

DeusExMachina
11-23-2010, 15:25
The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

Yup, exactly. I think its a much more effective way of doing things.

Byte Stryke
11-23-2010, 15:28
NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.
The former offical with the Dept. of Homeland Sec.: 'But we tried that, tried doing security checks on passengers, and a left-right coalition said' "You can't trust the government with this.", such as checking credit records and crimminal histories.
But some travelers say they would rather go through a full body scan than the system at Ben-Gurion airport.


Umm you know you are comparing apples to oranges, right?
I Fully understand that most people do not have the opportunity to fly internationally, I also understand that even fewer people have the need or where-with to fly into or out of any country in the middle-east.
Googlemaps that shit.
Israel, the most despised of all middle-eastern Arab countries.
their volume is actually irrelevant, look at their track record.
They haven't had an incident in 40 years... we haven't had one in... almost 1?
and the argument of their "Intrusive" searches has less to do with some overpaid wal-mart greeter wanting to feel some chick up and more to do with "My Training tells me this person is hiding something."
Israel trains their security agents for months
Ours get EIGHT hours

They search people based on speech patterns and behavioral triggers
we are molesting children because their teddy bears trigger metal detectors.

NOw, Im not saying that we should just jump over and completely adopt the Israeli system, but I am saying that our shit is seriously broken and we the taxpayer will have to pick up the bill.
You don't think Janet Napolitano is going to pay the trillions of dollars in lawsuits surging up, do you?

The ACLU Alone is looking for Millions and Millions of your Child's tax dollars (http://tinyurl.com/2eokcbg).



and as much as I hate to say it {SPITS} I am Glad the ACLU is after these Fucktards.

ERNO
11-23-2010, 15:37
I heard on the radio news this morning that a security expert said that the TSA is looking for the rectal bomb, because the person carrying the bomb needs to carry a injector outside of the body. Then when he wants to detonate, he injects whatever into the bomb to cause a detonation.



Erno

DeusExMachina
11-23-2010, 15:41
I heard on the radio news this morning that a security expert said that the TSA is looking for the rectal bomb, because the person carrying the bomb needs to carry a injector outside of the body. Then when he wants to detonate, he injects whatever into the bomb to cause a detonation.



Erno

Be advised for any passengers carrying Taco Bell into the airport.

Byte Stryke
11-23-2010, 15:42
I heard on the radio news this morning that a security expert said that the TSA is looking for the rectal bomb, because the person carrying the bomb needs to carry a injector outside of the body. Then when he wants to detonate, he injects whatever into the bomb to cause a detonation.



Erno


I heard somewhere that the federal government doesn't give a rats ass about our civil rights and is still clinging to failed fear-mongering tactics to try and implement a tyrannical government. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=violent+overthrow&aq=f)

patrick0685
11-30-2010, 11:53
found my new underwear...

http://www.good.is/post/tsa-scanner-underwear-protects-your-privates-from-government-x-rays/

DeusExMachina
11-30-2010, 13:30
Made in Colorado too!

hollohas
12-06-2010, 21:23
Well, here I am sitting in DIA and 4 out of my last 5 flights I have been selected for the "additional" screening. Yup, my Irish ancestory must have made me look like a potentail terrorist. Not one of those 4 times have they told me I had a choice to get a pat-down...I wouldn't take one cause I don't want some pervert looking TSA fuck touching me anyway, but what about the people who do want the pat-down instead? I thought the TSA is supposed to makesure everyone understands the options? At least that is what they have been telling us.

So I get in the non naked screener line so I can go through the regular metal detector and they tell me to get in the other line for the additional screening. I go into the machine and stand there for a bit while 3 TSA ass hats on the other side continue their conversation. After a few, I ask them if I am interupting and if I should come back after their conversation. The lady gives me a nasty look and come over the start the machine. Then she tells me to walk through and gave my ticket to one of the other TSA bitches and they tell me to step aside. I stand there and wait again without anyone explaining anything to me. Finally I ask the dick, "so, uh, what's going on?". He says I have to wait while they clear me, it was probably my necklace. Then he holds his hand to his earpiece like he saw all the cool special agents do in the movies and says "nailed it, you're free to go." What a bunch of fags.

Irving
12-06-2010, 21:36
So he was proud of guessing that it was your necklace after basically looking at you naked? 10 points to that guy.

2ndChildhood
12-07-2010, 05:58
Just got back from New Bern, NC.
We didn't get any special attention on either end. It was just like it's been the last few times.

theGinsue
12-07-2010, 09:06
I used to travel a lot on official business for the USAF. Inevitably, I was selected for "special screening" (of course, this was before the NEW "special screening") 9 out of 10 times. Yeah, blonde haired, blue eyed, travelling on military orders... I must have been a terrorist.

On these trips I couriered classified material from time to time. One time, I (of course) had all of the appropriate paperwork to get that item through security without being inspected but had one of the security folks tell me that I needed to open the package for inspection. I politely told them that there was NO WAY that was going to happen and referred them to the documents that I'd already presented. That didn't seem to be good enough for this person. After getting this clowns supervisor over and asking what their policy was for inspecting classified material accompanied be proper documentation. - They promptly allowed me to continue on my way.

FromMyColdDeadHand
12-07-2010, 22:29
Saw them give a dog a pat down at the Frontier bridge security check point. Guy pulled the dog out of the carrier and patted it down. No BS. The guy in front of me in line couldn't believe it either.

Start training you dog to put its hands up so ti can go thru the scanner.

Crazy world.

van7559
12-07-2010, 22:31
Saw them give a dog a pat down at the Frontier bridge security check point. Guy pulled the dog out of the carrier and patted it down. No BS. The guy in front of me in line couldn't believe it either.

Start training you dog to put its hands up so ti can go thru the scanner.

Crazy world.


To bad he did not piss on the dumb fawk[ROFL2]

Irving
12-07-2010, 22:38
I would have laughed as long and loud as I possibly could have; even if I had to force it.

theGinsue
12-07-2010, 22:40
Saw them give a dog a pat down at the Frontier bridge security check point. Guy pulled the dog out of the carrier and patted it down. No BS. The guy in front of me in line couldn't believe it either.

Start training you dog to put its hands up so ti can go thru the scanner.

Crazy world.

Just when you think you've heard it all.

Is there absolutely no end to the insanity?

Irving
12-07-2010, 22:44
What happened was, it was a Show dog, and the person in front of them in line commented on how sheik his fur was. The TSA worker, in his infinite wisdom and endless training, thought the person said the dog was an oil sheik. Hence the pat down.

theGinsue
12-07-2010, 23:05
Yes, I can see that. Now it all makes sense.

ERNO
12-08-2010, 17:11
I heard on the radio last week that a TSA scanner outside of Baltimore Md. followed a female passenger to her home, broke in and raped her. Afterwards he gave her a sucide note, then he let her go. Authorites found him dead at the house with a self-inflicted gun-shot wound to the head.

Bailey Guns
12-08-2010, 18:50
Obama-care meets TSA:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/2691b176.jpg

Mtn.man
12-08-2010, 20:37
Interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XhnZlmLGK8&feature=player_embedded

Bailey Guns
12-08-2010, 21:07
It's not interesting...it's infuriating. I'd rather be unemployed and starving than work for TSA. You'd have to have zero self respect to do that job.

clublights
12-08-2010, 21:55
Obama-care meets TSA:

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/2691b176.jpg

I made this same joke awhile back in the thread...... of course I didn't have the funny pics to go with [Beer]

clublights
12-08-2010, 22:16
I'll admit it.

I was one of the ones that thought the feds would come in and IMPROVE Security at airports..


OOPS.. boy was I WRONG.

The government screws up everything..i know this... and somehow I forgot in the stir of emotions following September 11th ( A side tangent ... am I the only one that is bothered by when folks shorten to 9/11 ? don't the folks lost deserve the extra syllables and couple extra key strokes ? always bugged me.. kinda silly but it does...) Bout the only thing the the government does right is the military ... and I think thats only thanks to long held traditions.. that and sergeants.

I've heard that TSA agents get APX 8 hours of training.... are 4 of those the lobotomy surgery ?