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argonstrom
12-01-2010, 01:06
What are the differences? In what rank would you put the major players & why?
Graves
12-01-2010, 01:14
A hobbyist AR would be found in my safe, whereas a Pro would be found in somebody like say Hoser's safe.

I'm honestly not understanding the question at hand.
BPTactical
12-01-2010, 08:42
Colt is more or less the standard to which manufacturers are compared to.
Everything on a 6920 is Mil-Spec which means the components meet Military contract specifications. Components are Non Destructive tested (Magnafluxed).
Some manufacturers will manufacture their components to exceed Mil- Specs or to the tight end of the tolerance range.
LMT-Noveske-J&P are a couple of upper tier manufacturers that come to mind this early.

The whole is equal to the sum of the parts. Let's take firecontrol parts for example. Colt Hammer, Trigger and sear are forged prior to machining. Even the trigger and hammer pins are centerless ground tool steel.
Lower tier manufacturers will use cast parts instead of forged, non spec steel and aluminum alloys etc.
I have heard of Taiwainese parts in supposed US made rifles. DPMS comes to mind.
BigBear
12-01-2010, 09:52
Hobbyist AR can go several directions in tacticool, accuracy, or just a plinker with a bunch of toys mounted on it and usually just sits in a safe. A Pro AR is a regular AR in the hands of someone trained to use it to kill and it has a "few" "usage" marks on it... hehe.....

I don't understand the question either...
BPTactical
12-01-2010, 10:41
Hobbyist AR can go several directions in tacticool, accuracy, or just a plinker with a bunch of toys mounted on it and usually just sits in a safe. A Pro AR is a regular AR in the hands of someone trained to use it to kill and it has a "few" "usage" marks on it... hehe.....

I don't understand the question either...

Much better description than mine....
gcrookston
12-01-2010, 13:27
Pro AR (my son's):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/Mike.jpg


Hobbyist AR (mine):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/IMG_2594.jpg
Hoser
12-01-2010, 13:52
What are the differences? In what rank would you put the major players & why?

What exactly are you asking?
ChunkyMonkey
12-01-2010, 14:47
Pro AR (my son's):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/Mike.jpg


Love the zip tie on the acog!
Zundfolge
12-01-2010, 14:54
read this (http://www.gun-forums.com/printthread.php?t=1369&pp=40)
gcrookston
12-01-2010, 15:05
Love the zip tie on the acog! -- one of the true indicators of 'Pro gun', the other being duct tape. Actually, if you could see close, you'd note it's Swan A.R.M.S. #19 mounting system for the Acog. During his first tour his group quickly learned anything mounted with Swan QD's was simply asking to be lost.
Hoser
12-01-2010, 15:08
-- one of the true indicators of 'Pro gun', the other being duct tape. Actually, if you could see close, you'd note it's Swan A.R.M.S. #19 mounting system for the Acog. During his first tour his group quickly learned anything mounted with Swan QD's was simply asking to be lost.

Thats because anything and everything made by ARMS is pure junk and should be avoided at all costs.
gcrookston
12-01-2010, 15:23
Thats because anything and everything made by ARMS is pure junk and should be avoided at all costs.

Not everything. I prefer their #18 over the Brookfield, but I've broken, worn out several sets of #22, and a #32. I have 2 #32 mounts left, and when they break/wear out, I'll replace them with LaRue.
BPTactical
12-01-2010, 15:58
read this (http://www.gun-forums.com/printthread.php?t=1369&pp=40)


Excellent article.
Thank You
68Charger
12-01-2010, 16:21
Since nobody else has pointed out the obvious- many pro "ARs" have a 3rd position on the selector switch that is not present on hobby ARs

http://www.gunpundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/m4-a1-selector-500x378.jpg

of course, these are technically not ARs, either
BigBear
12-01-2010, 16:33
Since nobody else has pointed out the obvious- many pro "ARs" have a 3rd position on the selector switch that is not present on hobby ARs



of course, these are technically not ARs, either

Eh, I disagree... I know several "pros" who use Ar's without the fun switch. That's not nessecarily defining in a Pro vs Hobbyist.....
OneGuy67
12-01-2010, 16:48
Love the zip tie on the acog!

When I was in Iraq, it was a requirement by my unit to tie down the external equipment on your rifle so you don't bump it into something and have it fall off. We used 550 cord or zipties.
68Charger
12-01-2010, 17:15
Eh, I disagree... I know several "pros" who use Ar's without the fun switch. That's not nessecarily defining in a Pro vs Hobbyist.....

ok, my post was more about fun than accuracy- ya caught me! [Beer]
Zundfolge
12-01-2010, 17:37
Also, wouldn't a "Hoppyist" pack a Winchester 94 (http://www.americaremembers.com/Products/HCTRI/HCTRI.asp) instead of an AR?
argonstrom
12-01-2010, 19:13
I'm honestly not understanding the question at hand.

I don't understand the question either...

What exactly are you asking?

I posted this from my phone, and I hate typing on my phone, so I have to rely on everyone's mind reading ability! lol [ROFL1]

I was really just wondering what separates the garbage from the reliable ones and where the major manufacturers rank comparatively. Hobbyist & Pro weren't the right terms to use.


Colt is more or less the standard to which manufacturers are compared to.
Everything on a 6920 is Mil-Spec which means the components meet Military contract specifications. Components are Non Destructive tested (Magnafluxed).
Some manufacturers will manufacture their components to exceed Mil- Specs or to the tight end of the tolerance range.
LMT-Noveske-J&P are a couple of upper tier manufacturers that come to mind this early.

The whole is equal to the sum of the parts. Let's take firecontrol parts for example. Colt Hammer, Trigger and sear are forged prior to machining. Even the trigger and hammer pins are centerless ground tool steel.
Lower tier manufacturers will use cast parts instead of forged, non spec steel and aluminum alloys etc.
I have heard of Taiwainese parts in supposed US made rifles. DPMS comes to mind.

Excellent - I appreciate the details. Thanks! [Beer]


read this (http://www.gun-forums.com/printthread.php?t=1369&pp=40)

Very cool article! Thanks! [Beer]


Also, wouldn't a "Hoppyist" pack a Winchester 94 (http://www.americaremembers.com/Products/HCTRI/HCTRI.asp) instead of an AR?

[Rant1] Stupid phone! [ROFL1]


Pro AR (my son's):

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/Mike.jpg


Nice picture!