Is there some sort of contest...

[theGinsue]

[WARNING: RANT AHEAD]

So I've been looking through the Trading Post forums at all of the different threads and it seems more and more like I'm seeing a particular trend forming. So, it got me wondering, are you folks having some sort of contest to see who can hide your asking prices and locations better than the next poster?

I mean, I continue to see lots of threads where people never use a dollar sign and the asking price is buried within a paragraph of text. Even then it's almost coded so it's hard to tell if the number is actually a price or just a random number thrown into the midst of the text.

And then, you sneakey entrepreneurs, you either slide your location in so a person has to read the post a few times to actually catch your location - or, better yet, you throw out a region ("NE CO" or "From XXX to YYY" versus your actual location (wouldn't want someone to actually narrow down your whereabouts to an actual municipal sub-section, now would we?). Uncle Sam and his Black Helicopters might find you if you narrow it down to a 10 square mile area.

And, lastly, what's with running everything you've got to say into one bulky paragraph? Is there some reason you can't separate your comments into separate paragraphs or do you not care if it's difficult to read your posts?

Okay, I'm done now.

[/RANT OFF]

[henpecked]

The rules arent simple enough.........


Just start deleting them until they figure it out

[pickenup]

Ok, I give that rant a.....6.

[Great-Kazoo]

The rules arent simple enough.........


Just start deleting them until they figure it out

+100

[steveopia]

Good rant and I agree.

To add, I really love it when people say they are not able to post pics but they can send them to you in an email. I'm sure there are some weird computers out there, maybe, that won't allow someone to post pics. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time it's people not taking the time to figure it out.

[Ranger]

Good rant and I agree.

To add, I really love it when people say they are not able to post pics but they can send them to you in an email. I'm sure there are some weird computers out there, maybe, that won't allow someone to post pics. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the time it's people not taking the time to figure it out.

Ok, while I'm not guilty of this transgression, I do have to say that some folks don't have access to post their pictures on a web site so they can link their URL's in the ad. I'm lucky enough to have access to several, but most of these boards require a linked picture, this is one of the few that I've been on that allow actual attachments. That being said, they should look a little lower on their post so they can add attachments.

[henpecked]

The higher powers are just testing there "mod with training wheels"

[XJ]

No soup for you!

[henpecked]

poor guy didnt know what he got himself into............

[Roger]

The rules arent simple enough.........


Just start deleting them until they figure it out


This. Go to it.

[Marlin]

This. Go to it.



Hmmmmmmmm....[Muaha]

[Bailey Guns]

Is there a way to just make a profile location mandatory? That would completely solve the location problem and then the mod(s) wouldn't have to be responsible for baby sitting every new poster with a for sale ad. Well, for the location thing, anyway.

[sniper7]

ginse i think the problem is with people asking 100 for their stuff and then they think they want 200 but the real problem is finding the number within the post and then they just keep on typing and you really have a hard time trying to find anything because it is just one big massive run on sentence but every once in a while there is a period. i really find it amusing when they type shit out like that because i really try to lay my for sale ads out in a very clear and concise manner and always try to post pictures so everyone can see what they are getting plus pictures make any item sell better no matter what it is. having the price down at the bottom away from the main body of the text is nice so that people can see if you are asking 100 dollars and even a money symbol is nice to have so that people can at least locate the price in their mass confusion of words. I really hope my explanation solved everything and you feel better now

[sniper7]

The higher powers are just testing there "mod with training wheels"

and this thread is testing your usage of their vs. there[ROFL1]

[henpecked]

and this thread is testing your usage of their vs. there[ROFL1]

Your lucky you dont have to press one for english...........

[Scanker19]

No its knot!

[Ah Pook]

The rules arent simple enough.........


Just start deleting them until they figure it out
Eye like this idea. How hard is it too reed the directions or at least give a byer a clue. Its knot rocket surgery.

I've actually looked for white text, thinking the seller was trying to be tricky.

[alan0269]

ginse i think the problem is with people asking 100 for their stuff and then they think they want 200 but the real problem is finding the number within the post and then they just keep on typing and you really have a hard time trying to find anything because it is just one big massive run on sentence but every once in a while there is a period. i really find it amusing when they type shit out like that because i really try to lay my for sale ads out in a very clear and concise manner and always try to post pictures so everyone can see what they are getting plus pictures make any item sell better no matter what it is. having the price down at the bottom away from the main body of the text is nice so that people can see if you are asking 100 dollars and even a money symbol is nice to have so that people can at least locate the price in their mass confusion of words. I really hope my explanation solved everything and you feel better now

Exactly!!!

[hurley842002]

I don't know if it's just coincidence or related in some fashion, but I have also noticed, many of the people that don't post a clear price/location/pics, are the same people that ONLY use this forum to sell their stuff. They aren't active members, and i'm willing to bet, you could match their post count with postings in the wanted/for sale section.

There is a huge difference in postings of "active members" and "classified trolls". Active members, actually put some thought and take care in ensuring everybody gets a clear understanding of what they are selling, where they can meet, and how much they want. Whereas classified trolls, probably have the same posting on half a dozen other sites, and are just seeking as many views as possible.

I've watched the regulars and mods, be VERY patient with these folks, but patience only goes so far.

[reddevil1111]

SO The more posts one has on this site, the better person they are? Ive noticed an attitude that expresses that belief. I dont post a ton. There are a few guys in here who post 40 to 50 times a day not to say anything worthy, just to get the count high enough to become acceptable.
The amount of posts matter little to me. I tend to judge people on what they have to say and how they approach others.
I can't help but wonder what the count has to be before your "acceptable" in CO-AR-15? 500? 1000? Sad.
Yeah! It's time to bash anyone who might try to sell something but not post a lot. Good thing eveyone in here gets along, acts civil to each other and all that trash.

[jerrymrc]

[WARNING: RANT AHEAD]So I've been looking through the Trading Post forums at all of the different threads and it seems more and more like I'm seeing a particular trend forming. So, it got me wondering, are you folks having some sort of contest to see who can hide your asking prices and locations better than the next poster?I mean, I continue to see lots of threads where people never use a dollar sign and the asking price is buried within a paragraph of text. Even then it's almost coded so it's hard to tell if the number is actually a price or just a random number thrown into the midst of the text.And then, you sneakey entrepreneurs, you either slide your location in so a person has to read the post a few times to actually catch your location - or, better yet, you throw out a region ("NE CO" or "From XXX to YYY" versus your actual location (wouldn't want someone to actually narrow down your whereabouts to an actual municipal sub-section, now would we?). Uncle Sam and his Black Helicopters might find you if you narrow it down to a 10 square mile area.And, lastly, what's with running everything you've got to say into one bulky paragraph? Is there some reason you can't separate your comments into separate paragraphs or do you not care if it's difficult to read your posts?Okay, I'm done now.[/RANT OFF]

FIFY. ;)

[jerrymrc]

SO The more posts one has on this site, the better person they are? Ive noticed an attitude that expresses that belief. I dont post a ton. There are a few guys in here who post 40 to 50 times a day not to say anything worthy, just to get the count high enough to become acceptable.
The amount of posts matter little to me. I tend to judge people on what they have to say and how they approach others.
I can't help but wonder what the count has to be before your "acceptable" in CO-AR-15? 500? 1000? Sad.
Yeah! It's time to bash anyone who might try to sell something but not post a lot. Good thing eveyone in here gets along, acts civil to each other and all that trash.

I will say not at all. I give reminders to all. I myself do not have a large post count considering that I have been here 6-7 years. I value quality over quantity.

I have noticed that we do seem to have many new members where there 1st post is in the classified section and out of only 3-4 simple rules they are unable or unwilling to follow them.

Just some thoughts. :)

[theGinsue]

poor guy didnt know what he got himself into............

(As much as I hate using this type of testing slang..) OMG!

You have no idea!

Most of it is petty and simple to address stuff, but some things get a bit out of hand and take time to address. I'e been trying to do the kinder-gentler mod thing and give people warnings where I can, but in some cases I should have been giving folks cooling off periods from the site.

But, I love this site a lot and am glad to have the chance to help out a bit here. I just wish folks would spend a few extras minutes and think about some of the things they post (especially, as per the OP, in the Trading Post section).

[zteknik]

I don't know if it's just coincidence or related in some fashion, but I have also noticed, many of the people that don't post a clear price/location/pics, are the same people that ONLY use this forum to sell their stuff. They aren't active members, and i'm willing to bet, you could match their post count with postings in the wanted/for sale section.

There is a huge difference in postings of "active members" and "classified trolls". Active members, actually put some thought and take care in ensuring everybody gets a clear understanding of what they are selling, where they can meet, and how much they want. Whereas classified trolls, probably have the same posting on half a dozen other sites, and are just seeking as many views as possible.

I've watched the regulars and mods, be VERY patient with these folks, but patience only goes so far.
yea ive noticed that
a lot of the forums i belong to allways have the same people advertising stuff and thats it
seems like there not into contributing to any of the forums just mass add spamming
and it seems like there ads are allways the same-just copy paste on each board irregardless of forum classifide policies
on some boards you have to be a member for a certain length of time with so many posts before you can place an add -but a lot of guys just post whore to boost there count up to sell stuff
i wonder if theres a way to weed the guys out who just post the classifides and nothing else?

[theGinsue]

This. Go to it.


Hmmmmmmmm....[Muaha]


As I'm sure you've seen, I try to give folks a warning first. If this continues to become a growing problem, I'll save myself (and the site users) time and just delete the thread(s) until the offenders figure it out.

[theGinsue]

ginse i think the problem is with people asking 100 for their stuff and then they think they want 200 but the real problem is finding the number within the post and then they just keep on typing and you really have a hard time trying to find anything because it is just one big massive run on sentence but every once in a while there is a period. i really find it amusing when they type shit out like that because i really try to lay my for sale ads out in a very clear and concise manner and always try to post pictures so everyone can see what they are getting plus pictures make any item sell better no matter what it is. having the price down at the bottom away from the main body of the text is nice so that people can see if you are asking 100 dollars and even a money symbol is nice to have so that people can at least locate the price in their mass confusion of words. I really hope my explanation solved everything and you feel better now


Oh, you're a funny one.

I ain't laughin' (okay, maybe a little bit...it is funny).

[hurley842002]

SO The more posts one has on this site, the better person they are? Ive noticed an attitude that expresses that belief. I dont post a ton. There are a few guys in here who post 40 to 50 times a day not to say anything worthy, just to get the count high enough to become acceptable.
The amount of posts matter little to me. I tend to judge people on what they have to say and how they approach others.
I can't help but wonder what the count has to be before your "acceptable" in CO-AR-15? 500? 1000? Sad.
Yeah! It's time to bash anyone who might try to sell something but not post a lot. Good thing eveyone in here gets along, acts civil to each other and all that trash.

Who said anything about needing a certain number of posts to be "accepted"?

[theGinsue]

I don't know if it's just coincidence or related in some fashion, but I have also noticed, many of the people that don't post a clear price/location/pics, are the same people that ONLY use this forum to sell their stuff. They aren't active members, and i'm willing to bet, you could match their post count with postings in the wanted/for sale section.

There is a huge difference in postings of "active members" and "classified trolls". Active members, actually put some thought and take care in ensuring everybody gets a clear understanding of what they are selling, where they can meet, and how much they want. Whereas classified trolls, probably have the same posting on half a dozen other sites, and are just seeking as many views as possible.

I've watched the regulars and mods, be VERY patient with these folks, but patience only goes so far.


SO The more posts one has on this site, the better person they are? Ive noticed an attitude that expresses that belief. I dont post a ton. There are a few guys in here who post 40 to 50 times a day not to say anything worthy, just to get the count high enough to become acceptable.
The amount of posts matter little to me. I tend to judge people on what they have to say and how they approach others.
I can't help but wonder what the count has to be before your "acceptable" in CO-AR-15? 500? 1000? Sad.
Yeah! It's time to bash anyone who might try to sell something but not post a lot. Good thing eveyone in here gets along, acts civil to each other and all that trash.

Red Devil is right. I'm not making this about how long a person has been a member, or how many posts they have (while the newest members tend to be the first offenders).

Heck, while it's really nice to have, I'm not even making this about having pics in the posts. If something catches my interest as a potential buyer and there are no pics, I will ask for them. If I get a response like (you can look for these online, there are plenty of pics out there", the seller obviously doesn't want me to see what HE/SHE is selling and I'm done with the thread. If the person either doesn't know how or have the capability to post a pic of their item, I'm actually okay with that. But, without pics of their item, if we agree on a meet to buy, don't be angry if I do not like the condition of YOUR item and walk away from the trade.

I just think that its easy enough to clearly post your location.
It's easy enough to clearly post your price(s).
And it's easy enough to post in a format that is easy to read.

If you really want to sell your wares, why wouldnt you try to make it easy on those potential buyers to read through your post and get the relevant info?

Just sayin.

[TS12000]

I have to say we should all thank the mods for how clean they keep it here. Sure no location/price/etc gets annoying but as far as spam and correcting our new members goes they keep co-ar15 in damn good shape.

[Zundfolge]

yea ive noticed that
a lot of the forums i belong to allways have the same people advertising stuff and thats it
seems like there not into contributing to any of the forums just mass add spamming
and it seems like there ads are allways the same-just copy paste on each board irregardless of forum classifide policies
on some boards you have to be a member for a certain length of time with so many posts before you can place an add -but a lot of guys just post whore to boost there count up to sell stuff
i wonder if theres a way to weed the guys out who just post the classifides and nothing else?


I, for one, have no problem with people that never post anything outside of the classifieds because I happen to like a very full and active classifieds for when I want to buy or sell something (that and I happen to enjoy window shopping).

Running off people who just use the classifieds isn't going to make the forum in general (or the classified section) any better.

On several of the forums I frequent, posts in the classifieds section DO NOT go toward your post count, so that would be a good policy here to show who is only posting ads and who is actually contributing (then those that care about such things can use that information as they see fit).

Bigger postcounts don't mean you're a better person, just that you are more of a contributor to the community (that and you can search their posts to see if they're a schmuck).


As for some of the other complaints (poorly written ads, bad formatting, lack of price/location/photos/etc) these things mostly harm the seller so I fail to see why buyers would complain ... if you don't like the ad don't buy and the sellers that post crappy ads will either learn or give up and go away. See, the market solution wins again!

Oh and one side thing that annoys the crap out of me; "add" means to increase the quantity of something, "ad" means an advertisement (I work in publishing and it drives me nuts that even professionals mess that one up).

[Irving]

Reddevil, the difference between you and the classified trolls is that you actually read through the forum. Don't be offended at the fact that sellers with low post count are high offenders, that's just the way it usually works out.

The classified trolls don't care about anything but volume, and only read the classified subforums. You can tell because they piggy back onto other people's for sale threads, and immediately jump in on WTB ads with a list of what they have (that often isn't really what the person is asking for).

I've been a member of other boards where a specific template was made to sell vehicles, then, if you don't fill out the template, your thread is deleted. That's a decent idea, but it is on the line of causing a rift between the staff and the posters. Most people hop on board just fine, but you'll never, ever, capture the classified trolls because they only post to sell and will never read any instructions or rants or anything.


EDIT: I'm largely in agreement with Zund. Post bad ads and people won't read them. I also like to window shop and read a good amount of for sale ads. There are a few posters who I've seen around enough that I just don't bother with their ads for various reasons. The worst guy actually doesn't post up ads here anymore after he burned some bridges with his bad attitude and couldn't sell his wares.

[zteknik]

I, for one, have no problem with people that never post anything outside of the classifieds because I happen to like a very full and active classifieds for when I want to buy or sell something (that and I happen to enjoy window shopping).

Running off people who just use the classifieds isn't going to make the forum in general (or the classified section) any better.

On several of the forums I frequent, posts in the classifieds section DO NOT go toward your post count, so that would be a good policy here to show who is only posting ads and who is actually contributing (then those that care about such things can use that information as they see fit).

Bigger postcounts don't mean you're a better person, just that you are more of a contributor to the community (that and you can search their posts to see if they're a schmuck).


Oh and one side thing that annoys the crap out of me; "add" means to increase the quantity of something, "ad" means an advertisement (I work in publishing and it drives me nuts that even professionals mess that one up).
ah good point-i enjoy the window shopping as well :)
i like the idea that posting in the classifides dosent count toward post count
the thing that bugs me on a lot of the forums are the noobs that just join and start asking where to buy stuff in non related threads
i diddnt mean to bug ya Zun-just a double tap on the keys[Tooth]

[hurley842002]

I guess folks are misunderstanding the meaning of my post. I never said anything about high post count, nor did I say anything negative about folks who only post in the classified section. I was merely pointing out the fact that, members who contribute to, and seem to have a greater appreciation for the forum as a whole, typically seem to follow the rules, and generate clear and thoughtful ads. That is all

[Zundfolge]

One other thought ... is it possible to create a message template for new posts in a given subforum?

If that's possible with vBullitin maybe make it to where when you start a new thread in one of the classified subforums it already has formatting something like this:


Manufacturer:
Model:
Caliber:
Description:

Price and/or trade value and items wanted:

_________________________________________________

(link photos here or upload below)

[hurley842002]

Stuart explained it better than I

[TEAMRICO]

Hey guys, I have a gun for sale, Im somewhere in Colorado as far I can figure, No Trades at this time. I will take cash or I might trade for cash. I need to meet your mom for reference and any state ID will do as long as you have cash. If you find me I will sell you this gun, it is new, used, like new, gently used. I will only take CA$H but AM OPEN TO TRADES.
So Im located in CO. North or South, cant remember. So if you have the asked amount this baby is yours.
Remember, contact me via a message burned onto a Laserdisk, bring your mom and cash or trade to get this gun.
Also for this private sale I need to get an FFL involved.
PM me at Myspace.
So holla if you want to get a gun at a good price.

No Pic available.
Thanks for the read.

[sniper7]

Your lucky you dont have to press one for english...........

Your or you're? [Beer]

[zteknik]

Hey guys, I have a gun for sale, Im somewhere in Colorado as far I can figure, No Trades at this time. I will take cash or I might trade for cash. I need to meet your mom for reference and any state ID will do as long as you have cash. If you find me I will sell you this gun, it is new, used, like new, gently used. I will only take CA$H but AM OPEN TO TRADES.
So Im located in CO. North or South, cant remember. So if you have the asked amount this baby is yours.
Remember, contact me via a message burned onto a Laserdisk, bring your mom and cash or trade to get this gun.
Also for this private sale I need to get an FFL involved.
PM me at Myspace.
So holla if you want to get a gun at a good price.

No Pic available.
Thanks for the read.
Ill take it!!
but can ya meet me half way?say indiana?
cant get mom but would my sister do?[ROFL1]

[sniper7]

SO The more posts one has on this site, the better person they are?

Um yes that is exactly correct. And those peoples opinions count more too![Muaha]

[StagLefty]

Hey guys, I have a gun for sale, Im somewhere in Colorado as far I can figure, No Trades at this time. I will take cash or I might trade for cash. I need to meet your mom for reference and any state ID will do as long as you have cash. If you find me I will sell you this gun, it is new, used, like new, gently used. I will only take CA$H but AM OPEN TO TRADES.
So Im located in CO. North or South, cant remember. So if you have the asked amount this baby is yours.
Remember, contact me via a message burned onto a Laserdisk, bring your mom and cash or trade to get this gun.
Also for this private sale I need to get an FFL involved.
PM me at Myspace.
So holla if you want to get a gun at a good price.

No Pic available.
Thanks for the read.

I'll take it-no PM or e-mail sent [ROFL1]

[Scanker19]

Do you know what I really like about this forum?

Freedom.

Other forums make people do this and that just to post in classifieds, and then only members can respond which does me no good if i'm surfing the River.

The rules are clear Price, Location. Pretty easy. I didn't know we were being graded on sentence structure or grammar.

For a bunch of guys that sure enjoy freedom, and talking about it, and getting mad when others infringe upon it we sure want to just make this place as uniformed as possible, don't we?

I hate AR-15.com, and jouster, and most others because of their gay ass rules. If you don't like someone's ad then don't read or buy. That would be the sellers loss, not mine or yours.

That's what I do.

A Template will just look like this

Model: M1 Carbine
Maker: Pre-War Universal
Location: Near vail
Price: make offer

Just like Armslist.

[henpecked]

Your or you're? [Beer]

They make grammar badges.........you could be the spelling nazi here[Tooth]
They also make grammar shirts and hats

[Marlin]

Everything older than 12-1-10 is now gone. If you were still trying to sell it, I guess you'll have to repost it.

Now, barring the dog wanting to go outside, I shall read through the rest.
If the criteria are not met in the ad, I will delete it. If, you're still trying to sell it, Blah,blah,blah..

Questions?, objections? Good...

[sniper7]

They make grammar badges.........you could be the spelling nazi here[Tooth]
They also make grammar shirts and hats

I need one in xl that has co-ar15 grammar nazi on it![Coffee]