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BPTactical
12-05-2010, 14:11
Seeing how the Mods were gracious enough to grant us this new forum ( Thanks Guys![Beer])
and we were told to use it:
What is your distance rig of choice in .308?
Semi or Bolt?
What mods and tweaks do you have or want?
I picked up a NIB Savage 10FCP Accutrigger with the HS Precision stock, Harris bipod, Warne steel Picatinny base that is Loctited to the receiver and Warne steel rings. I will mount my Nikon Monarch 4.5x16 Mil Dot one of these days on it.
I haven't fired it yet but I am contemplating a couple of tweaks:
1-Steel bed the action. The HS stock has the aluminum bedding block but their is actually very little contact between it and the receiver, like less than a square inch total.
2-Replace the stock recoil lug, they are a little anemic.
I have had a couple of Remingtons and a DPMS LR 308 but I seem to come back to the Savages. I have had 3 of them and have liked every one. The Accutrigger is great as is the floating bolt head.
If you are into changing calibers the barrel nut design makes swaps and headspacing easy.
I have yet to see a Savage with poor fit and finish or quality control issues.
All shot very well out of the box.
I liked my LR308 but it was a heavy SOB.
Discuss
Here is my Remington 700 LTR
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/omio_/DSCN0485.jpg
I'm partial to the 700 action since it has defiantly been proven to me several times over in the 'ghan. I just put the AICS on it which I personally prefer over the McMillan. The McMillan is a great stock but after a Brit sniper let me get behind his L118A1 I fell in love.
It has right now:
-SS 10x
-Badger rings and base
-AICS 2.0 FDE
-stock trigger
-stock 20" barrel
-Harris bipod
Some improvements I want are:
-U.S. Optics or NF
-Jewell trigger
-18" Rock creek barrel with Badger FTE
-Atlas V8 bipod with spigot mount
-Cerakote
Maybe one day I'll win big at Cripple Creek! [ROFL1]
What is your distance rig of choice in .308?
Semi or Bolt?
What mods and tweaks do you have or want?
Are we talking ultimate wish list, or reality? My .308 is a Remington and I'm satisfied with it, but then it's a $500 rifle. If you have more like $5,000 to spend, the discussion gets much more esoteric.
I have noticed one discrepancy with the precision rifle crowd. First, they tell you to buy a Remington 700 as a first rifle because it's the standard for custom projects. The explanation given is usually something about all the aftermarket goodies available for the Rem, long history, good resale value, etc. Then, when you do plan a custom rifle, those same people will tell you not to spend all that time and money on a Remington. They'll recommend something more exotic like a Surgeon. I understand the thinking behind it all, I just find it comical.
When my current barrel finally succumbs to wear, I will spend my money upgrading the one thing that really matters to accuracy, the barrel. I'll probably not screw around with truing or blueprinting the action, I'll just put my money where it will do the most good.
I have to admit that a number of the Savages I've encountered shoot pretty well. I have a knee jerk negative reaction to them, but I think that's just brainwashing. I wouldn't fault anyone for deciding on a Savage, but I might not spend a lot of money upgrading one.
My current .308 is a Howa 1500... it shoots better than I do. I have several tweaks done to it but I don't remember them off the top of my head. I'd love to get it into the hands of someone that can actually shoot and see what it can do... any takers?
My 1000 yd gun is built from a trued rem 700. It is the only remington I own. The rest of my bolt guns are all savages. A 700 is a good precision platform once it has been trued. A savage needs no such tweaking IMO to compare. The savage has as much aftermarket support as the 700. Shoot the sucker and see if it needs any tweaks. A new recoil lug will take about 10 minutes to replace. It will probably take longer to rebed the lug than it will to replace it. Might not need it.
Swapping barrels is so easy. Once you are ready to step up a custom barrel, you'll save a couple hundred in gunsmith fees by doing it youself.
Check out savageshooters.com and sharpshootersupply.com.
I really like the Savage 10. It came with the Accu-Trigger, Accu-stock, heavy fluted barrel, and muzzle brake for $750. And it has a 4 round detachable box mag that can be converted to hold 10 rounds.
OgenRwot
12-05-2010, 19:59
I've got a Remington 700. Glass bedded action with trigger work done by my grandfather. It has a 26" 1:12 fluted SS floated bbl and a Millett 4-16x50 TRS1 on it. Harris bi-pod. The stock isn't my favorite but my grandfather gave me this rifle so the stock has sentimental value, I'll probably keep this rifle just as it is. The thing is a shooter. With the slow twist rate I'm using 155 AMAX with 44 grn of 3031 and Federal match primers.
Once I get some money saved up I'll build another one from the ground up. I'll probably stick with the 700 action because I like it so much but I will definitely go with a stock that has more of a vertical grip on it. I actually really like the Millett glass too, it's extremely clear for the price.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5001/5236148901_dd801fee67_b.jpg
gcrookston
12-05-2010, 20:25
Here are my three .308 distance guns.
Savage 112, Premier Reticle Prepped VariXIII 6.5x20, just a light bit of stone work on the trigger, otherwise the money was spent on the scope at Premier.
M1a -- M21, only parts not GI are the Douglas Barrel, Receiver and stock. Built in 1998-99 with all new components (except receiver). Leupold M4 16x. I had this gun built by a retired Navy Armorer who'd built sniper and competition rifles for 30+ years for the military. Everything is matched, trued, torqued and ultimately over paid for.
Armalite Super SASS, Leupold Mk4 LRT 8.5x25. Just changed out the black plastic to tan for no particular reason. Initially I had a Burris XTR on it, but that's now on another rifle.
I've shot them all out to 1,000 yrds -- all of them are quite sufficient to this end.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00119.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00120.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00176-1.jpg
OgenRwot
12-05-2010, 20:38
That M1A is awesome, great find. I would love to build one into a good shooter someday.
gcrookston
12-05-2010, 20:46
That M1A is awesome, great find. I would love to build one into a good shooter someday.
Getting that rifle built was a learning experience. I would never do it again. One the other hand, I bought the Savage at Walmart for $350.00, then spent about 3x that on optics -- which is the correct way to build a tack driver.
BPTactical
12-05-2010, 21:03
My 1000 yd gun is built from a trued rem 700. It is the only remington I own. The rest of my bolt guns are all savages. A 700 is a good precision platform once it has been trued. A savage needs no such tweaking IMO to compare. The savage has as much aftermarket support as the 700. Shoot the sucker and see if it needs any tweaks. A new recoil lug will take about 10 minutes to replace. It will probably take longer to rebed the lug than it will to replace it. Might not need it.
Swapping barrels is so easy. Once you are ready to step up a custom barrel, you'll save a couple hundred in gunsmith fees by doing it youself.
Check out savageshooters.com and sharpshootersupply.com.
^This-
I will tell you I have never had to fill and redrill/retap the scope mount holes on a Savage, nor have I had to do trigger work because the firing pin released upon opening the bolt.
Both were instances on out of the box Remmies.
I think Savage puts out a better product from the factory.
JMHO....
Here is mine. This has transformed over the last few months from an older bone stock Rem 700 .308 26" varmint.
What it has:
Badger bolt knob
McMillan A4
Jewell Trigger
M5 BDM w/ AICS mags
Larue 20 MOA Base
Leupold Mark 4 Med Rings
Leupold Mark 4 4.5 - 14 x 50 ERT TMR
What's left?
It's heading to back to the 'smith next week to get trued and fitted with a new Krieger 1-8.5 5R chambered in 260 Remington, finished length 24", with a new Badger recoil lug and FTE brake. They'll ceracote the barrel and action in OD Green. Lastly, some time in March next year it will be married up to a TBAC 30P-1.
I'm basing this building this off one I had the opportunity to shoot back in September. When done this should be a tack driver well past 1000yds.
That is absolutely beautiful gear guys. I'm very impressed.
The only way I'm shooting anything at a 1000 yards is if I get in my car and drive up to it first.[ROFL1]
OgenRwot
12-05-2010, 23:14
That's a pretty broad statement there Dirty. For one, the only cheaper "battle rifle" than the AR is a cheap AK. Secondly, precision 700s run comparably to other rifles out there. We're not talking hunting rifles, we're talking MOA or better out of the box. This is the Long Range/Precision Rifles forum. Pretty much everybody in here is going to be "modding out" their rifle. You have to in order to hit steel at 1000 yards.
Haven't even had the forum for one day and this guy is already calling everybody in here with an AR or 700 a douche bag. :rolleyes:
The Rem 700 is like the ar15 of bolt guns, wannabe GI Joes love living paycheck to paycheck modding them out.
Some of us actually have the means and skills to support the habit.
BTW if the base price for an M700 is too rich for your blood, I guess I can see where you're comin from. [BooHoo]
theGinsue
12-05-2010, 23:37
I've been wanting to get into a nice .308 long distance bolt rifle for some time, but two things stand in my way.
First, is the money. Yup, I'm poor and the wife doesn't want me buying any more guns (I'm getting sneaky though and starting to buy stripped lowers that I can slowly build up).
Secondly, as a lefty shooter it's damned difficult to find a left-handed bolt; particularly in .308. When I do find something, I don't have the funds to acquire it.
I love the rifles you guys have posted pics to.
GCrookston - all I can say it WOW. You made me drool! I'm envious.
By modding do you mean bolting on a pistol gripped stock to shoot factory ammo or pillar bedding, reloading, crowning, etc? where did i call anyone with an AR or 700 a douche bag? I do get a kick out of "gun nuts" who solely own AR's & 700's though.
Had varmint classic versions of the 700 in .22-250 & 6mm Remington & loaded my own for it, so if you want to talk go ahead. I just find it ironic that people will bash a Savage just because it cost less.
Sorry Graves, proceed to e-ball.
So who's bashing Savage? Don't cry about it bc you see more M700's here now as I'm sure more Savage owners will post. Personally I have 0 trigger time with one so I can't say anything there but of the Remmy's I do have (700p in .300wm and a 700sps tac in .308) I can say they're hard to beat for the money. I did however go the "wannabe GI-Joe" route and ditch the X-Mark Pro's (which are pretty nice for OE triggers) for Jewell's and I still had some milk money left over [Tooth]
ETA: I'm no "e-baller" by any stretch of the imagination, I know all too well how it is to not have the coin to get the things you want so I totally respect that. But to call folks out for going check to check to afford the things they have when you have absolutely no clue as to where their financial standing is = not cool.
OgenRwot
12-06-2010, 00:53
By modding do you mean bolting on a pistol gripped stock to shoot factory ammo or pillar bedding, reloading, crowning, etc?
You're the one that brought up modding and how do you know what someone shoots out of their rifle? And who cares if they do shoot factory ammo out of a $1500 rifle? It's their money, rifle, time etc. They can do whatever the hell they want.
where did i call anyone with an AR or 700 a douche bag? I do get a kick out of "gun nuts" who solely own AR's & 700's though.
I paraphrased, you said:
wannabe GI Joes love living paycheck to paycheck modding them out
And you don't have to own 37 different makes and models of firearms to consider yourself a gun nut. Here you are blasting people for spending money one way but in order to be an enthusiast you have to spend serious coin the way YOU think we should.
OgenRwot
12-06-2010, 00:57
Getting that rifle built was a learning experience. I would never do it again. One the other hand, I bought the Savage at Walmart for $350.00, then spent about 3x that on optics -- which is the correct way to build a tack driver.
Yeah but the M1A is history and that's the "cool factor" for me. It's like the appeal of a USGI 1911.
I just put a Hawke 8.5-25x42 on the sps tacticool yesterday. Can't wait to see how it compares to some of my others.
Hawke @ 25x 200yds:
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/grav3s/photo-31.jpg
It was a bit of a challenge to get the pic with my phone but as you can see the illumination isn't the greatest.
pickenup
12-06-2010, 01:03
Have not gotten to play with this one at any distance yet. Only took it up to the north site once before they closed the site down. Did well for the limited distance at that range. I'm hoping it will turn out to be a good shooter for distance.
It is a Cobb MCR with a 24" Lothar Walther heavy barrel out front. Up top on the rail is a 6.5x20x52 piece of glass. I dropped a Chip McCormick Super Match Trigger Group in it, so there is virtually no travel, smooth as silk and breaks at just under 3 lbs.
This setup sits on a (needed) bi-pod, and has a quad rail for hanging everything but the kitchen sink on it. (nothing on it.....yet) The back consists of a 6 position collapsible stock. Not real satisfied with that, looking for a better stock. Anyone have any suggestions?
Hope to get this out pretty soon, and sling some lead long distance. I'm curious how it (I) will do.
gcrookston
12-06-2010, 08:53
So who's bashing Savage?
... I've owned 700s and 112s and 12s. In my experience nothing beats a Savage for out-of-the-box accuracy. Unlike the 700s I've had, I've honestly never had any need to tinker with them to squeeze out more accuracy (though I do lightly de-bur the triggers on the pre-accutrigger models I've owned).
Savage doesn't lend itself to customization and building like the 700, probably because it simply does not need it and they are so friggin' ugly who'd want to? Savages are not very sexy. The 700 beats them in the 'pretty' department.
But my next bolt gun will be another Savage.
One of my students has matched AI's with NF glass on them. With factory American Eagle 7.62x51 ammo (yes, different than .308 win), they are .3-.4 MOA consitently at 1000 yds, even in 10 mph full value winds. I think for out of the box w factory ammo, this is the best out there, if you can afford it.
One of my students has matched AI's ...
What does a matched pair mean?... I know AI is Accuracy International (great guns!!).
gcrookston
12-06-2010, 15:55
One of my students has matched AI's with NF glass on them. With factory American Eagle 7.62x51 ammo (yes, different than .308 win), they are .3-.4 MOA consitently at 1000 yds, even in 10 mph full value winds. I think for out of the box w factory ammo, this is the best out there, if you can afford it.
I had one of their AWM in 300WM years ago. It was perhaps the most accurate rifle I've ever owned. Outstandingly accurate and about $6500 in 1990's dollars. The bore was about toast after 2,500 rounds and I traded it for a brand new M82 straight across. Even with a shot out barrel the AI held tighter groups than the M82.
Still for what I paid for it, I could have had 20 Savages....
What does a matched pair mean?... I know AI is Accuracy International (great guns!!).
2 identical guns
I've been wanting to get into a nice .308 long distance bolt rifle for some time, but two things stand in my way.
First, is the money. Yup, I'm poor and the wife doesn't want me buying any more guns (I'm getting sneaky though and starting to buy stripped lowers that I can slowly build up).
Secondly, as a lefty shooter it's damned difficult to find a left-handed bolt; particularly in .308. When I do find something, I don't have the funds to acquire it.
I love the rifles you guys have posted pics to.
GCrookston - all I can say it WOW. You made me drool! I'm envious.
Here you go for a lefty bolt gun. And it doesn't cost anymore than the righty. It has an accutrigger and accustock. I have not done anything to it except put Burris XTR bases, rings, and scope on it. Very accurate out of the box. I actually like the looks of the rifle. It stands out among all the 700's. It is easily capable of .5 moa groups.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x191/jmg8550/Guns001-1.jpg
And more M1A porn. Supermatch Springfield M1A built by Glen Nelson in 1995. Versa-pod bipod with Versa-pod sling swivel adaptor, Smith Enterprise scope mount, all GI parts except reciever, barrel (Douglas heavy match), and the heavy wood stock (bedded). In my opinion, worth every penny spent on this Last of the Steel Warriors.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x191/jmg8550/M1A1-1.jpg
The M1A is now my service rifle. And it shoots sub MOA groups. So yes... M1A's can be very accurate out of the box.
I wish I could afford an AI AE MKII it is a very nice gun. So who here is a wannabe G.I. Joe? I want to be one! [ROFL1]
TriggerHappy
12-06-2010, 20:10
I love all the bolt-gun porn. keep em' coming boys!
Bolt
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/grav3s/photo-32.jpg
Not a bolt
http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac351/grav3s/photo-5.jpg
Maybe I'll get enough motivation to use my digi cam so I can keep my fat finger out of the pics haha. I have the socoII in urban camo now so I guess some real pics are in order.
BPTactical
12-06-2010, 21:19
Some nice distance rigs here- I'd put my Savage up but without a scope on it it would be like going to the peeler bar and the dancers are wearing bloomers.
And more M1A porn. Supermatch Springfield M1A built by Glen Nelson in 1995. Versa-pod bipod with Versa-pod sling swivel adaptor, Smith Enterprise scope mount, all GI parts except reciever, barrel (Douglas heavy match), and the heavy wood stock (bedded). In my opinion, worth every penny spent on this Last of the Steel Warriors.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x191/jmg8550/M1A1-1.jpg
The M1A is now my service rifle. And it shoots sub MOA groups. So yes... M1A's can be very accurate out of the box.
Southpaw right eye dominant? Or do you find optics mounting on the M1A's are just too damn high too? I have my M3 mounted about as low as I can and its up a bit too high for me.
gcrookston
12-07-2010, 08:05
Southpaw right eye dominant? Or do you find optics mounting on the M1A's are just too damn high too? I have my M3 mounted about as low as I can and its up a bit too high for me.
Graves, Southpaw; getting the scope down / proper eye relief was an issue I resolved with mine. Originally I'd installed a Brookfield and A.R.M.S. #22 rings. After some trial and error I ended up with the A.R.M.S. #18 and MK4 rings. Removing the rear sight and using a Fulton cheek rest.... BTW, many of the NOS GI NM parts in my rifle, including the Fajen stock, were purchased from Glenn Nelson for my build....
The first pictures shows how high it originally was (about 2000):
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/111343yy.jpg
Swapping Mount:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/dsc001071jp2.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/rings.jpg
Swapping Rings:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00152.jpg
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/DSC00154.jpg
Sight-in target with new rings, (3) 3 shot groups @ 100 yrds. Counter clockwise from bottom, making adjustments between each group.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/gcrookston/dsc00133sv2-1.jpg
2 identical guns
I know that, but I guess I'm asking what makes something "matched"? Especially if they are different calibers, etc?
Just curious.
My bolt.... This is an old pic though, I've done a little work to it since like fluted bolt, etc.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs005.snc3/11247_1311081100426_1332578915_1963670_3931020_n.j pg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1963671&id=1332578915)
Brohammed, do you have anything accurate or with a bolt to post in this thread or what?
Can I still purchase these tactical pants you bought since you were never in the military??
How about you step away from the keyboard and take a breath. Then chill out.
Here is my Remington 700 LTR
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/omio_/DSCN0485.jpg
I'm torn between this and the JAE stock for my shorty but this looks vedy nyyce!!
I'm torn between this and the JAE stock for my shorty but this looks vedy nyyce!!
The JAE stock is unobtanium , they have been taking orders for 2 years and have yet to deliver anything but new delivery dates . A buddy of mine has had one on order since about a month after they released it at SHOT in 08 .
OgenRwot
12-09-2010, 14:45
Here is my Remington 700 LTR
I'm partial to the 700 action since it has defiantly been proven to me several times over in the 'ghan. I just put the AICS on it which I personally prefer over the McMillan. The McMillan is a great stock but after a Brit sniper let me get behind his L118A1 I fell in love.
It has right now:
-SS 10x
-Badger rings and base
-AICS 2.0 FDE
-stock trigger
-stock 20" barrel
-Harris bipod
Some improvements I want are:
-U.S. Optics or NF
-Jewell trigger
-18" Rock creek barrel with Badger FTE
-Atlas V8 bipod with spigot mount
-Cerakote
Maybe one day I'll win big at Cripple Creek! [ROFL1]
That's a great looking rifle. That's the chassis I'm going to build a rifle on some day in the not so distant future.
Thanks OgenRwot, only grievance I have is I can't get a good cheek weld with the cheek piece in its lowest setting. I have to switch out the medium Badger rings with medium high rings to get a proper check weld. It's a great stock IMHO too bad it's so expensive!
Troublco
12-09-2010, 21:30
My preference is an early production Remington 700 PSS with the adjustable LOP H-S Precision stock and a Leupold Vari-X III Tactical scope. Once I get the bolt handle knob and Sako style extractor done, it'll be done.
Southpaw right eye dominant? Or do you find optics mounting on the M1A's are just too damn high too? I have my M3 mounted about as low as I can and its up a bit too high for me.
That was the setup a few years ago. When I had the scope on it I switched the stock to a USGI fiberglass and put a Desert Warrior Products cheekrest on it. I couldn't bring myself to drill holes in the beautiful wood stock. It is now my competition service rifle. Working on accumulating parts for another one in the scout configuration. That one will have a scope on it.
TriggerHappy
12-14-2010, 15:26
Here is my Remington 700 LTR
http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy155/omio_/DSCN0485.jpg
I'm partial to the 700 action since it has defiantly been proven to me several times over in the 'ghan. I just put the AICS on it which I personally prefer over the McMillan. The McMillan is a great stock but after a Brit sniper let me get behind his L118A1 I fell in love.
It has right now:
-SS 10x
-Badger rings and base
-AICS 2.0 FDE
-stock trigger
-stock 20" barrel
-Harris bipod
Some improvements I want are:
-U.S. Optics or NF
-Jewell trigger
-18" Rock creek barrel with Badger FTE
-Atlas V8 bipod with spigot mount
-Cerakote
Maybe one day I'll win big at Cripple Creek! [ROFL1]
I think I would sleep with her, super jealous. Nice weapon!
<MADDOG>
12-14-2010, 19:34
No pic, but I have a Winchester Stealth II, IE:FN SPR. Love the rifle. I shoot my lightly modified PSS in 7RM much more though, as I was really lucky with .5 MOA out of the box.
I also agree with the conversation on Savages, I have never had one that required more than a trigger job, but yet snobes look down on them till they see them shoot.
SA Friday
12-14-2010, 21:15
700 PSS in 308. I had AZ Precision put a new knob on it, mounted a Sightron SIII 3.5-10 on it, adjusted the trigger, and commenced to shooting. Built a reload for it and shot it some more. Figured out the drop and wind for 100-600 yds and shot some more. I think I do ok with it.
I have an AR set up for longer distances, a DPMS 24"bull barred competition upper on a RRA lower with match trigger. It does ok too. Have a Winchester Laredo in 300 and a sendero in 270, but they're not set up with the right glass yet. They shoot pretty well also.
My experience is as long as the gun will shoot half MOA consistently, it's mostly the shooter and the glass after that. I'm not as good as a some of the shooters on this site, but there's a lot to be said about burning out a few barrels to get you there.
BPTactical
12-15-2010, 10:28
My experience is as long as the gun will shoot half MOA consistently, it's mostly the shooter and the glass after that.
^x10
You can't stress this enough. Face it, with modern CNC machining very rarely is the rifle to blame.
I used to get a chuckle when I worked in the shop and a shooter new to the distance game would come in and talk about buying a Surgeon, McMillan or buying a Remington 700 and dropping 1K having the barrel replaced and the action trued etc.
If you do you are just throwing away your money.
You are far better off spending that extra money on ammo and range time, then tweak your rifle as you improve and discover what improvements are actually needed/beneficial for your situation.
I used to liken it to wanting to drag race. You are not going to go out and buy a Top Fuel rail and learn with it and be competitive. You are going to start with a bracket car and work your way up.
^x10
I used to get a chuckle when I worked in the shop and a shooter new to the distance game would come in and talk about buying a Surgeon, McMillan or buying a Remington 700 and dropping 1K having the barrel replaced and the action trued etc.
If you do you are just throwing away your money.
To a point.
If your rifle wont shoot, how do you know if you need to work on your ammo, position, wind reading, ect.
Buy the best you can possibly afford and have someone that knows the game teach you.
To a point.
If your rifle wont shoot, how do you know if you need to work on your ammo, position, wind reading, ect.
Buy the best you can possibly afford and have someone that knows the game teach you.
This is right on. I've been teaching myself the long range game, and for a good year I wasn't able to determine what was me and what was the rifle/load. If I could have afforded it, I'd have bought the most accurate rifle money can buy, and when there were problems I'd have known they were me and not the gun. After more than a year of shooting at least every week, I'm just now getting to the point where I can differentiate between shooter error and an equipment problem.
SA Friday
12-15-2010, 13:17
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having the best money can buy and I can afford when it comes to the rifle and the ammo. But, the modern day produced rifle out-of-the-box is typically pretty damn good. I will invest in a custom rifle or two in the (not near) future, because I want to eventually get to a point where I can and do shoot more rifle sports. But, like everything shooting, if you are not putting pills down range, you simply have a very expensive custom status symbol.
Reliabily shoot approximately 1/2 MOA and built to do the job is my minimum for shooting long distance. From there, cost per quality is exponential. Practice can overcome a lot as long as the minimum quality requirements are filled, but if you settle on the minimum your whole life, you will never reach your true potential in shooting.
cms81586
12-18-2010, 10:49
Here's my stick. Sako TRG-22 with factory bipod and muzzle brake. The Leupold Vari-X III LR M3 sits in Badger Rings on a Near MFG 25MOA base. It's topped off with a Turner AWS sling. I've had this rifle for a few years now and it's a solid sub 1/2 moa shooter with handloads. This rifle has the best trigger of any rifle I've ever touched. Very crisp. These pictures are from groundhog hunting back in Pennsylvania. Enjoy!
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cms81586
12-18-2010, 23:56
I've been wanting to get into a nice .308 long distance bolt rifle for some time, but two things stand in my way.
First, is the money. Yup, I'm poor and the wife doesn't want me buying any more guns (I'm getting sneaky though and starting to buy stripped lowers that I can slowly build up).
Secondly, as a lefty shooter it's damned difficult to find a left-handed bolt; particularly in .308. When I do find something, I don't have the funds to acquire it.
I love the rifles you guys have posted pics to.
GCrookston - all I can say it WOW. You made me drool! I'm envious.
I can help you get something set up that shouldn't cost too much...PM me if you'd like to discuss what's out there.
CMS
Cms....that is beautiful [Beer]
I have a basic ruger mkII in 7mm rem mag only used it hunting. but am looking into getting a .308
damn that gun is still sexy
Zak Smith
02-04-2011, 00:30
This is the rifle I competed with, in .308, in 2005 and part of 2006
http://demigodllc.com/photo/BSR-2006.05/smaller/B100_1065_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/photo/BSR-2006.05/?small=B100_1065_img.jpg)
This gun shooting 155 Lapuas at 2930 fps has made hits as far as about 1350, although .308 is not reliably accurate at that distance. The rifle wears a S&B PMII now.
The first major match I shot with my AI-AW in .260, I won outright, and since then the .308 has been relegated to informal or training use only...
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