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DENVER_C5
08-13-2005, 11:25
I can't seem to figure out anything about knife carry in Colorado after quite a bit of Googling . . . I did find the CRS on the issue, but I want to hear from a live human that it is okay to carry my new knife.

I just got a Cold Steel Recon 1 folder (4" blade, I believe 9" when totally open)

Am I able to carry this in my pocket with out a concealed weapons permit?

Thanks

The1andOnlyKC
08-13-2005, 12:38
CRS 18-12-101 (1)(f)

"Knife" means any dagger, dirk, knife, or stiletto with a blade over three and one-half inches in length, or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds, but does not include a hunting or fishing knife carried for sports use. The issue that a knife is a hunting or fishing knife must be raised as an affirmative defense.

Marlin
08-13-2005, 12:40
I knew that education would come in handy one day. :wink:

The1andOnlyKC
08-13-2005, 12:53
Ok so by the letter of the law can you carry it legally No. Concealed Weapons permits under the new law do not cover knifes.

I have carried a knife forever. Since elementary school. And have never had any problems and some of the knifes I carried were far larger than 3.5". If you are the kinda guy that LEO seems to be incontact with quite a bit then I might double think the knife over 3.5".

The1andOnlyKC
08-13-2005, 12:54
I knew that education would come in handy one day. :wink:

Hey someone had to put it up there.

KarlPMann
08-13-2005, 19:14
And around here, if you're a "previous offender", you get free room and board for carrying it. :P Over 3-1/2" is a 'dangerous weapon'. Karl.

7idl
08-13-2005, 21:21
on a funny side note... some of you know what unit i'm in, well we (-me and a few others) are flying on a charter flight to a destination for training... the day prior to flying out, they wanted everyone to be sure to not have knives, nail clippers and the like. :roll: so I gotta ask what would stop approx 100 well trained individuals?


that flight was probably one of the more safer flights made on that day regardless.

michael_aos
08-14-2005, 20:52
The way I read it...

An "edged tool" doesn't become a "knife" until it exceeds 3.5".

It's illegal to carry a "knife" concealed in Colorado.

I make sure any "knife" I carry either isn't concealed, or doesn't exceed 3.5".

I'm not going to jeopardize my concealed HANDGUN permit by carrying a concealed "knife".

Mike

shilly
08-14-2005, 22:44
Interesting... I kept wondering why the knives I keep ordering from Sportsman's Guide keep getting cancelled. They say it is for legal reasons. Kind of sucks since I am building quite a knife collection and now know I cannot carry about 1/2 of my pocket knofe collection.

Is open carry OK? i.e. Ka-Bar fixed blades,Gerber Trident in their belt sheath?

The1andOnlyKC
08-14-2005, 23:18
CRS 18-12-101 (1)(f)

"Knife" means ...or any other dangerous instrument capable of inflicting cutting, stabbing, or tearing wounds,...

DENVER_C5
08-15-2005, 08:43
Two more questions:

It is pointless to own this knife?

If this law pertains to carrying concealed, can I carry it clipped into my pocket so you can see about 1" of the case???

michael_aos
08-15-2005, 08:57
I've heard it argued that if a LEO can see you've got the knife, then it's not "concealed".

Coming home from hiking about 2wks ago, we stopped at King Soopers to grab a few things for dinner.

I was carrying my Glock 34 and Trace Rinaldi TUK (~4.1" fixed-blade). I adjusted my shirt so the Glock was still concealed, but the knife wasn't.

The LEO posted at the front door either didn't notice, or didn't care.

I've also experimented with "open carry" with my BHP, but I feel really self-concious / dorky so I've gone back to concealed.

Mike

PsychoI3oy
08-15-2005, 11:53
those aren't LEOs in front of King Soopers, it's their own private (armed, obviously) security. (I work near one at night and talk to the guards in there every once in a while. )

michael_aos
08-15-2005, 11:55
those aren't LEOs in front of King Soopers, it's their own private (armed, obviously) security.

I guess I didn't look close enough. I had been wondering how badly you have to screw up to get assigned the "King Soopers" shift.

:?

Mike

BushmanX
08-23-2005, 05:27
I guess I didn't look close enough. I had been wondering how badly you have to screw up to get assigned the "King Soopers" shift.

:?

Mike

LOL, that would suck...

michael_aos
01-19-2006, 22:15
I know auto knives aren't legal.

But....

It still seems to me the intent is to prohibit edged weapons >3.5".

So....are auto's <3.5" "legal" (because they're not knives)?

Sort of like the California auto's.

Mike

Gman
01-20-2006, 00:09
If it's <3.5", it's still a knife. It's just not an illegal knife. A 3.49" auto is still an illegal knife.

Great-Kazoo
01-20-2006, 08:21
while the law says one thing. i have yet to see a LEO actually say or do anything regarding knives.
if it's a folding the blade must be less then 4" .fixed baldes do not fall into that catagory. one le told me my 7" blade was illegal, he actually stopped by the house later that day to correct himself!! letting me know it was not illegal.
back on topic.
UNLESS you have violated the law i doubt just having a knife will be grounds for arrest. it is something they will add on to your original charge.
of course how you interact during contact ALWAYS determines what happens next

KarlPMann
01-20-2006, 13:33
I have a CCW here and ALWAYS carry my 357. I've asked a few local po-po's what they think about knives if the person were legally carrying a gun. They all pretty much agree that the knife becomes somewhat irrelevant. :roll: I think a person with a CCW would be kinda difficult to prosecute for having a knife that was a little too long, but YMMV. :wink: Karl.

michael_aos
01-20-2006, 13:38
I think a person with a CCW would be kinda difficult to prosecute for having a knife that was a little too long, but YMMV. :wink: Karl.

That's exactly my concern. I'd hate to jeopardize my CCW by carrying a knife that someone could interpret as illegal.

"Weapons related charges" doesn't sound like a good-thing.

I guess I envision a LEO (what the heck is po-po an abbreviation for?) having a bad day. "OK, you're legal for the .45, but I'm going to write you up for the pocket knife."

Mike

KarlPMann
01-20-2006, 13:50
po-po = police. :roll: Karl.

michael_aos
01-20-2006, 13:52
po-po = police. :roll: Karl.

Yeah, I got that. But where does it come from?

What do the letters mean?

Mike

KarlPMann
01-20-2006, 13:54
:? OK, take two steps back and drop the keyboard or the white boy gets it. :P Ummm, I dunno. Karl. :wink:

Gman
01-20-2006, 17:29
Well there's this noise that some people call Rap/Hip-Hop "music"...