Terrorist bomber hits Sweden

[2ndChildhood]

Swedish police investigating two blasts that rocked central Stockholm on Saturday, killing the suspected bomber and wounding two, said on Sunday they had good leads into what they said were "terror crimes."
Before the explosions, the Swedish news agency TT received a threatening letter about Sweden's military presence in Afghanistan and caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad drawn several years ago by a Swedish cartoonist.
Linky (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20101212/tts-uk-sweden-blast-ca02f96.html)

I gotta say, if this is the best they can do, why are we worrying so hard about them...
Look at the situation:
-Sweden, a country with minimal invasive police activity
-Bomber couldn't even knock down a building
-Only death was the bomber himself

Obviously a total wanna-be with no serious skills.
Where's the big bad threat? If this is all they can manage, I think we won the war on terror.

[Bailey Guns]

I think we won the war on terror.

Not as long as our government continues on it's present course we haven't.

[steveopia]

Not as long as our government continues on it's present course we haven't.

X2. And make no mistake, these extremists will always be out there somewhere. They will always pose a threat. There have been a few tragedies recently that were avoided simply out of pure luck and lack of execution on the terrorists' part.

I just don't think that "we won the war on terror" will ever be a true statement.

[roberth]

A win in the war on terror is unachievable.

We can kill every terrorist on earth but how do we kill an idea? As long as there are men on earth there will be evil done in God's name and evil done for other reasons.

This 'war on terror' is simply another war against evil. The United States fought the evil of Nazism in World War II, much to our chagrin Nazi's are still running around, I know this because I see the motherfuckers at gun shows. The United States fought the evil that is Communism during the Cold War (World War III), we won in a way but communism still exists around the globe and in our very country.

The difference between WWII, WWIII and Global Jihad is that we had a known enemy in WWII and WWIII. They were known by their uniform, this enemy could be contained inside an imaginary line called a 'border'. Global Jihad has no such borders and no uniform, it is vile, elusive and murderous.

How do we stop Global Jihad? How do we stop Earth First? How do we stop the Democratic Party[Tooth]?

[68Charger]

This 'war on terror' is simply another war against evil.

This ^^^

We all have to realize that we were born into a world that is at war, evil will take you over if you let it... and it won't relent.

[BPTactical]

RobertH is close on this one.
How do you win against a mindset where it is a reward to die in battle? Similar to the Japanese in WWII.
How do we win when we revere life and the enemy does not?
How do you win against a religion where it is their duty to kill you if do not have the same belief?
How do you beat a birthrate?
How do you beat an enemy that you cannot delineate between a combatant and a non-combatant?
How do you win when the enemy is within our own population?
How do you win when there is no clear battlefront?
How do you win in a country that for over 2000 years has sent every foreign army to occupy them home with their tail between their legs?

How do you win when the Administration embraces the enemy?
When they refuse to recognize the enemy?
When they grant military prisoners the civilian court process?
When they will not allocate the resources to win?

How?
Turn the entire region to glass.
Make the cost of battle against us so horrendous that continuance would be futile.

Make no mistake- the war on terror is nowhere close to won. We will see another 9/11.

[Hoosier]

Wow, I read this thread and my brain is going, "Hey I'm agreeing completely with Bailey Guns, steveopia, 'We can kill every terrorist on earth but how do we kill an idea?' what a great way to phrase it roberth... and then 'Turn the entire region to glass.'"

http://www.avoiceformen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Rage1.png

Goddamnit another call for using nuclear weapons to kill everybody?! It was going so well, and then we find our own terrorist extremist right here.

Sigh. If you can't bother to weed the innocent from the violent, you're no better than they are.

H.

[Bailey Guns]

Actually, I was referring to the terror that is a tyrannical government but after re-reading what I wrote I wasn't clear on that.

I'm afraid the masses are so concerned about being kept safe they're willing to let the government do almost anything in the name of "it's for the safety of the people".

That's why we have an out of control TSA, BATFE and other governemnt agencies. That's why our God-given rights are being diminished a little at a time, every single day. That's why we have the Patriot Act. And on, and on.

I'm far more concerned about a runaway government than I am about jihadists. At least I have a chance (however small) to protect myself from a "terrorist". There's little I can do to protect myself against what the government is becoming.

Tyranny is upon us and we accept it for the promise of safety. It makes us "feel" good because the government is "doing something".

[Elhuero]

I am no better than they are.

but I don't think we should nuke anybody.

(we should sue the neutron bomb, duh!) [ROFL3]


were I the HNIC, when someone committed a terrorist attack against us I would make sure that everyone in their family joined them soon after.

martyr yourself, martyr you whole family.

evil, bloodthirsty and harsh?

yuppers.

but that's how you win wars.

compassion, aid, all the good things come after you have crushed your enemy and they have capitulated.

the "war on terror" is like vietnam and the "war on drugs". unless we treat it like a war and fight to win we will lose.

in before armchair commando and chairborne ranger.

[roberth]

Actually, I was referring to the terror that is a tyrannical government but after re-reading what I wrote I wasn't clear on that.

I'm afraid the masses are so concerned about being kept safe they're willing to let the government do almost anything in the name of "it's for the safety of the people".

That's why we have an out of control TSA, BATFE and other governemnt agencies. That's why our God-given rights are being diminished a little at a time, every single day. That's why we have the Patriot Act. And on, and on.

I'm far more concerned about a runaway government than I am about jihadists. At least I have a chance (however small) to protect myself from a "terrorist". There's little I can do to protect myself against what the government is becoming.

Tyranny is upon us and we accept it for the promise of safety. It makes us "feel" good because the government is "doing something".

I like this Bailey Guns. [Beer]

I think our government is perpetrating an evil greater than that of the jihadi. I think our government means to enslave our entire nation in the name of "the common good".


What is the loss of thousands of lives to Islamic terrorism in comparison to hundreds of millions lost into slavery?

[Morgan338LM]

Ask Marcus Luttrell what he thinks of the Pashtun tribal codes that kept him alive in the Hindu Kush after his SEAL team was killed; the tribal Afghani's refused to give him to the Taliban under threat of death because they had taken him in as their guest. Talk about hospitality. Food for thought, not everyone is evil, here or there
[Beer]



in before armchair commando and chairborne ranger.

Don't forget the Salvation Army Snipers and the Space Shuttle Door Gunners!

[Mtn.man]

The terrorists have won.

Look at all the bullshit the gov. is imposing on law abiding peeps.
And all they ( terror types) have to do is make a video about future attacks and the world goes crazy.

And I am with BG on this I am more afraid of my idiotic government than any attack by anyone else.

[Hoosier]

I'm afraid the masses are so concerned about being kept safe they're willing to let the government do almost anything in the name of "it's for the safety of the people".

I agree. It's also people in power using our fear to absorb more power to them. Not sure that there's really any difference between GOP or Dems when casting a vote, the rhetoric changes but the actions stay the same.

H.

[Bailey Guns]

I agree. It's also people in power using our fear to absorb more power to them. Not sure that there's really any difference between GOP or Dems when casting a vote, the rhetoric changes but the actions stay the same.

H.

Agreed. Fear-mongering tactics work just as well whether delivered from the right or the left.

[SA Friday]

I've thought a lot about this topic over the years. I have Muslim friends that are Arab and not Arab. I've had to deal with the multiculturalism of Iraq and see just how 98 out of a hundred people just want the fighting to stop and to live their lives. Ive also seen 'makara' first hand and it makes me question the true internal motive of Muslims. There is no easy answer. There is no quick fix. I've only derived two possible solutions to the current struggle this world is having with Islam, educate the aspects of the Koran that are causing the wars out of the future generations or eradicate specifically target undesired sections of the Muslim populations so the remaining is at a point of subservience to the desired Muslim populations. Desired like the peshwar and the Kurds. If the above doesn't happen, this struggle with islams belief that all the world will be Islam will come to a head. If that happens, history will judge our lack of understanding quite harshly. Islam doesn't advocate tolerance and acceptance. It advocates one way, Islam. All others are subservient or dead. Accept that simple fact and you see not only is the possibility of extreme measures a possibility to resolve this stuggle, but this conflict is going to eventually encompass the world and take a very long time to resolve.

[Hoosier]

Agreed. Fear-mongering tactics work just as well whether delivered from the right or the left.

The only thing the GOP and the Dems agree on 100% of the time: Two party system is just perfect, nobody needs additional options.

H.

[BPTactical]

Ask Marcus Luttrell what he thinks of the Pashtun tribal codes that kept him alive in the Hindu Kush after his SEAL team was killed; the tribal Afghani's refused to give him to the Taliban under threat of death because they had taken him in as their guest. Talk about hospitality. Food for thought, not everyone is evil, here or there
[Beer

I would think this is the exception, rather than the rule.

[Bailey Guns]

Ask Marcus Luttrell what he thinks of the Pashtun tribal codes that kept him alive in the Hindu Kush after his SEAL team was killed; the tribal Afghani's refused to give him to the Taliban under threat of death because they had taken him in as their guest. Talk about hospitality. Food for thought, not everyone is evil, here or there.

Too bad we can't get Daniel Pearl's opinion of his Muslim captors.

[theGinsue]

Yeah, something tells me he wouldn't just nod his head (whoops, did I just say that) and call the whole thing a misunderstanding by a group of peace loving Allah worshippers.

[2ndChildhood]

I agree. It's also people in power using our fear to absorb more power to them. Not sure that there's really any difference between GOP or Dems when casting a vote, the rhetoric changes but the actions stay the same.

H.

I used to think the difference between the two parties was huge, now I'm jaded. Very very few people in that damn town are working in my best interests.

[Hoosier]

Perhaps a better option is no-party system. No DNC, no RNC, just nominating candidates in a State by State race and pitting the top two against each other in the election.. or something. Anyway, mathematically, adding "more" viable choices to a ballot will only increase the odds of someone winning with only fractions of the public actually backing them. Would you want someone to be your governor that only received 10% of the vote?

I'd love to see the end of parties. I think as you mentioned human behavior leads towards parties.

In instances where there are several candidates, I like the voting method where you rank each of the candidates in descending order of which you would like to see them elected. In other words, with five candidates, you give your favorite candidate a 5, your second candidate a 4, the third a 3 and so on. Candidate with the highest total score wins.

Realistically I'd like to see a move away from so much power at the Federal level, and a shift to putting the focus of the public on their state legislatures. Don't think that'll happen either. No Amendment to the Constitution is more trampled than the 10th.

H.

[2ndChildhood]

Ranked-choice voting just made it onto the next ballot here in Fort Collins!

[Elhuero]

I'd love to see the end of parties. I think as you mentioned human behavior leads towards parties.

In instances where there are several candidates, I like the voting method where you rank each of the candidates in descending order of which you would like to see them elected. In other words, with five candidates, you give your favorite candidate a 5, your second candidate a 4, the third a 3 and so on. Candidate with the highest total score wins.

Realistically I'd like to see a move away from so much power at the Federal level, and a shift to putting the focus of the public on their state legislatures. Don't think that'll happen either. No Amendment to the Constitution is more trampled than the 10th.

H.


I agree with you here Hoosier.

so much of the crap that is wrong with out federal legislature is a direct result of partisan politics. back scratching and quid pro quo, wheels and deals. with a main focus on getting re-elected.

we need to abolish the party system, abolish lobbying, representatives have to have lived in their state for a minimum of ten years to be eligible for election, term limits for schenators and congresscritters, and for the president a single six year term and a line item veto.

plus a balanced budget ammendment. if the govt aint in the black, everyone loses their job.

there's more, but if I get any more into this I'll start talking about the neutron bomb again.

[theGinsue]

I'm completely in line with both you and Hoosier.

The party system - whether 2 party, or many is KILLING this country.

Now, if we can just talk the DNC and GOP into boarding up their offices we'll have it made.

[Elhuero]

Now, if we can just talk the DNC and GOP into boarding up their offices we'll have it made.


that's where the 2nd amendment comes into play.