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theGinsue
12-17-2010, 23:42
Just got this info in today from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (hosts of the Shot Show) and thought I should pass this along.

This could potentially have far reaching repercussions for many of us here; then again, maybe not.


ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns
December 17, 2010 By Larry Keane
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is moving to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of modern sporting rifles beginning January 5, 2011. Specifically, the ATF requirement calls for firearms retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days.

Today’s Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/16/AR2010121606825.html) suggests that the reporting mandate would be limited to retailers along the Southwest border; however, the Federal Register Notice (http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-31761.pdf) does not limit the geographic scope of the reporting requirement.

This ATF “emergency” mandate was originally pushed by the anti-gun Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG) coalition, headed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, more than a year and a half ago. And the Post reports that the Department of Justice has “languished” over this plan for several months. Given this timetable, it’s hard to see exactly where the “emergency” is.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation opposes this reporting requirement because it further burdens America’s law-abiding firearms retailers with yet another onerous regulation that will do nothing to curb crime. Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement, thereby driving traffickers further underground. This is not unlike how criminals maneuvered around one-gun-a-month laws in states like Virginia – which is still considered an “exporting source state” by anti-gun organizations like the MAIG despite its restrictions on the number of firearms law-abiding residents may purchase.

Multiple sales reporting for long guns is an ill-considered mandate and one that ATF does not have the legal authority to unilaterally impose. In fact, ATF has not specified under what legal authority it presumes to act. The decision as to whether ATF can move forward with this agenda-driven mandate will be left to Cass Sunstein who heads the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA). This is the same Cass Sunstein who in a 2007 speech at Harvard University said, “We ought to ban hunting, if there isn’t a purpose other than sport and fun. That should be against the law. It’s time now.”

NSSF will be submitting comments in opposition to this registration scheme and is encouraging all firearms retailers, sportsmen and enthusiasts to do the same.

Please voice your concern by doing the following:
1. Call the Office of Management and Budget, Office of Information and Regulation Affairs, Department of Justice, Desk Officer at (202) 395-6466.
2. E-mail Barbara A. Terrell, ATF, Firearms Industry Programs Branch at Barbara.Terrell@atf.gov (Barbara.Terrell@atf.gov)
3. Call your Senators and Representative: United States Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121

Points to make:

Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement.
Long guns are rarely used in crime (Bureau of Justice Statistics).
Imposing multiple sales-reporting requirements for long guns would further add to the already extensive paperwork and record-keeping requirements burdening America’s retailers – where a single mistake could cost them their license and even land them in jail.
Last year, ATF inspected 2,000 retailers in border states and only two licenses were revoked (0.1%). These revocations were for reasons unknown and could have had nothing to do with illicit trafficking of guns; furthermore, no dealers were charged with any criminal wrongdoing.
According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it’s more than 14 years old. This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states.
Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns – it specifically chose not to.

Irving
12-17-2010, 23:53
If you have to pass laws for people to think that you are actually doing something, then you shouldn't exist.

Bowtie
12-18-2010, 00:01
Thanks Mexico.

DeusExMachina
12-18-2010, 00:37
Any gun legislation is bad legislation. This doesn't affect me (unless I win the lottery) but its bad anyway.

And what if the supposed supply to Mexico involves dealers? Wont have any red flags there. Just an excuse for a tighter squeeze on our rights.

hurley842002
12-18-2010, 00:51
Any gun legislation is bad legislation. This doesn't affect me (unless I win the lottery) but its bad anyway.

And what if the supposed supply to Mexico involves dealers? Wont have any red flags there. Just an excuse for a tighter squeeze on our rights.

X2

BPTactical
12-18-2010, 08:42
Yup-
Nice of our Government to infringe on the rights of its citizens and businesses while they don't do their job, securing the border.
If you don't think this will effect us here in CO, you had best wise up. One of the major factors to this proposal was a series of reports from Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG). Colorado's Governor elect, John Hickenlooper is a founding member of this organization.
We will see another AWB, with much more restriction than the Clinton era ban.
We will see a ban on .50 caliber weapons.
They will be permanent.
You can be assured our Governor elect will be happy to lead Colorado in this direction while continuing to provide "Sanctuary" to illegal's.

Thank you Liberal Colorado.


Kiss my lily white ass Mexico

Troublco
12-18-2010, 09:56
This has nothing to do with preventing crime, or protecting anyone. Simply another power grab by an agency that it seems to me is more interested in seeing how much they can violate the Constitution and our rights than any sort of actual prevention of crime. I don't have an issue with them doing a legitimate job within the scope of the Constitution, but right now I think that they are far closer to being the Bureau of A****les Taking Firearms (Can't find a good one for the E). Mayors Against Illegal Guns, my backside. Mayors looking for free publicity, maybe. These mayors need to stick with what they're actually supposed to be doing, like running their cities.

All the people out there who own guns but don't care about the "assault weapons" issues because they only own a gun to hunt need to hear this d-bag Sunstein's comments about hunting. This multiple long gun issue is just the next step. They need to understand we either all need to hang together, or we're going to hang separately.

ronaldrwl
12-18-2010, 11:30
Yikes, more Mexican / USA citizens. Or, maybe just bulldoze Mexico into the gulf leaving a nice water passage and more beach front property!! Win Win.

Irving
12-18-2010, 14:32
the Bureau of A****les Taking Firearms from Everyone


Perfect.

Now do the TSA. I had one the other day but I forgot it.

2ndAmendment
12-18-2010, 16:14
Perfect.

Now do the TSA. I had one the other day but I forgot it.


This Shit Ain't yours

Troublco
12-18-2010, 21:57
the Bureau of A****les Taking Firearms from Everyone


This Shit Ain't yours

Very good 2nd![ROFL1]

waxthis
12-27-2010, 06:50
Typical. Legislate more laws instead of enforcing the ones we have..Fucking asswipes.[Mad]

Daniel_187
12-27-2010, 11:24
I saw lots of pics of all these icky gun things that mexico is getting throught the gun show loophole/ gun dealers such icky guns like m4's with M203's with 40mm ammo. Old full auto colt m-16's .50 Browning m2's, RPG's, and hand greandes. the gun store/shows need to stop selling these to the cartels. The US is so bad for doing these things Think of the Children oh my god think of the children

flan7211
12-29-2010, 03:20
I saw lots of pics of all these icky gun things that mexico is getting throught the gun show loophole/ gun dealers such icky guns like m4's with M203's with 40mm ammo. Old full auto colt m-16's .50 Browning m2's, RPG's, and hand greandes. the gun store/shows need to stop selling these to the cartels. The US is so bad for doing these things Think of the Children oh my god think of the children

[ROFL1][M2][MG] mmmk guys c'mon, given your fully auto guns and grenades to cartels is bad. mmmk shouldn't just hand that over to gun running drug dealing mexican cartels mmmk.

sniper7
01-06-2011, 00:04
just more bullshit so big brother can try to keep us under tabs.

either way, if they wanted to go in and look in the books of the FFLs and find out every gun you have ever bought from a dealer they could. now they place the burden on the FFL, put us under a microscope if we want to buy more than 1 gun at a time (which is bullshit), and for no good reason.

whats next...they will limit gun show sales or stop them, they will stop FTF sales etc etc.