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rtr

01-05-2006, 11:40

Guy is claiming that is now the case in Colorado

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=5525311#post5525311

Can anyone verify?

HunterCO

01-05-2006, 12:09

I have not heard anything of the sort.

EDIT: to add I called The Gun Room and they said that is BS. I figured as much but thought I would check.

EDIT: once more to post this link to ATF's web site showing what state permits qualify for exemption to the NCIC check. CO is not one of them.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/bradylaw/permit_chart.htm

rtr

01-05-2006, 16:45

Per further posts on Glocktalk it sounds like it is indeed not true.

kwando

01-05-2006, 18:00

i saw that also and immediately questioned it...

Great-Kazoo

01-05-2006, 22:03

at one time a ccw holder was exempt from a background check. which is one more reason we procurred CCW's.
it was something that didn't last long. but we made the most of it.

HunterCO

01-05-2006, 23:43

at one time a ccw holder was exempt from a background check. which is one more reason we procurred CCW's.
it was something that didn't last long. but we made the most of it.

When was this?

roman gnome

01-06-2006, 22:19

Years ago I bought a pistol from Long`s Drugs and he said my permit was all he needed, but that didn`t last long.

I think because the permit is renewed every four years, and they want a more current background check, like for restraining orders and the like.

Or I could be wrong :D

Great-Kazoo

01-08-2006, 00:24

HunterCO

01-08-2006, 22:40

at one time a ccw holder was exempt from a background check. which is one more reason we procurred CCW's.
it was something that didn't last long. but we made the most of it.

When was this?

years ago. i have no idea exactly when but that was one of the reason's for getting the CCW. present the CCW at the time of purchase and it was in & out in about 5 min.
i've held a CCW since late 92

Not to rain on your parade but that is impossible! I too have had a ccw long before the new law took place. If you go to the ATF link I provided above it explains what states qualify for exemption. CO has NEVER qualified since CO has NEVER issued permits by the state they have always been issued by the sheriff or cheif of police. With the new law only the Sheriff can issue either way what you claim is false.

Great-Kazoo

01-08-2006, 23:16

Not to rain on your parade but that is impossible! I too have had a ccw long before the new law took place. If you go to the ATF link I provided above it explains what states qualify for exemption. CO has NEVER qualified since CO has NEVER issued permits by the state they have always been issued by the sheriff or cheif of police. With the new law only the Sheriff can issue either way what you claim is false.

well i have a good rain suit and i will tell you at one time you were able to purchase a firearm in co w/out a background check by showing a CCW. and a long time ago the ccw's were sheriff/cty issued NOT STATE.
again remember it or not it was possible to buy w/o b/g check
and forget about the atf link .co law superceded the fed law . when the fed law went into effect that is when you could no longer present a ccw to bypass the b/g check. prior to that all b/g's were done through cbi w/o fed check. it was something that wasn't done that much as it was little known let alone advertised it was being done with the dems in control and a dem gov..
give the CBI a call and ask them. ask if sue kitchens(spck) is still around.
of course you would still call me (someone you never met) a liar. nice going pal.......

Great-Kazoo

01-08-2006, 23:21

Years ago I bought a pistol from Long`s Drugs and he said my permit was all he needed, but that didn`t last long.

don't forget to add roman gnome to your liar list as he must have imagined it too...............
and no you cannot bypass a b/g check in co today unless you are buying a service/duty firearm with letter head. even being on the job if it's a personal buy a b/g check is required

bbadmin

01-09-2006, 14:34

To clarify.

Long's Drug did do a background check. They just didn't charge you for it if you had a CCW. They had to do one and could not waive it. But they did charge a fee if you didn't have one. The fee was non-refundable if you were denied. The way they informed you of it, made it sound as if you didn't need a background check, when in fact they were only waiving the fee.

They stopped selling handungs after Columbine.

Per my post on Glock Talk (Lancelot) this no background check thing for permit holders is completly unfounded.

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Great-Kazoo

01-09-2006, 17:08

Per my post on Glock Talk (Lancelot) this no background check thing for permit holders is completly unfounded.

correct now it is not going on. it did happen if for a very short time. i called 2 stores in no co. garretsons and jensens. both of them remember the time a ccw was required to bypass getting a bg check.. even they agreed it didn't stay in effect for very long.
nowadays with litagation and lawsuits for hot coffee the state has passed the burden to the feds, and washed their hands.
my CCW was just renewed, prior to going statewide i went in when ed jordan retired to get a new CCW with new fingerprints and photo. took maybe 1/2 hr. my new CCW took 6 weeks. the reason being the sheriff was waiting on approval from the feds before re-isuing my ccw. how times have changed.

roman gnome

01-09-2006, 20:29

I will be the first to say that I`m not an expert at firearms or firearm laws, guns are just a passion of mine since I was a kid.

So I can only speak for myself on this,

To clarify.

Long's Drug did do a background check.

If that happened then he did the paperwork himself, he gave me the little blue form w/serial and model # and cash register rec. and I left.

i remember it because I thought it was great 8) it was the only time it happened for me, but it did that time.

delta6

01-12-2006, 20:14

Guys:
This is really to good. We're in 'dick measuring contest' over background checks? Please....:roll:

I checked my records and if they are correct (the Fed's signed off on them), background checks didn't start until mid 1995 (maybe August).

As for CCW permits, technically they are State permits, issued by local law enforcement...Title 29, Article 11.7, Section 29-11.7-101 thru 29-11.7-104. They are honored by other states as being a state permit (reciprocity).

Hope this helps...:D
delta6

delta6

01-12-2006, 20:15

Circuits

01-14-2006, 16:22

Until permanent brady went into effect in December, 1998, no background check was required for a valid CCW holder in CO.

After permanent brady went into effect, CO's county/city-issued permits were no longer valid as an alternative to the background check.

delta6

01-14-2006, 22:12

Circuits:
I'm looking at Article's 24- 29 from 1997, where is the paragraph that allowed CCW's a pass on Fed 4473's.

Thanx,
delta6

Great-Kazoo

01-14-2006, 23:54

guys.
why is it a few members have a hard time believing that you could (for a very short time) buy a firearm w/out them doing a bg check??
yes we had to fill out the 4473 but no they did not call it in.
one thing that was happening during this time was the # of ffl's that were not aware of this. some did and still wanted to sell only if they called it in. those locally i did not buy from.

delta6

01-15-2006, 10:13

Thanx, Jim...

Your correct, from '68 to '95 there where no background checks only yellow forms (4473's).

delta6

Circuits

01-17-2006, 14:35

Circuits:
I'm looking at Article's 24- 29 from 1997, where is the paragraph that allowed CCW's a pass on Fed 4473's.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I wasn't disputing that there were no background checks until temporary brady in 95, simply reaffirming that for the period from when background checks started until 12/98, a Colorado CCW exempted the holder from a background check.

I remember buying my first .22 at 18 from a Western Auto store. They checked my DL, I filled out the yellow sheet, and walked out in ten minutes with a Savage/Stevens 987 tube mag autoloader and two bricks of super-x for $85.

Alas, the yellow sheets are no more - 4473's are white these days.

delta6

01-17-2006, 19:30

Alas, the yellow sheets are no more - 4473's are white these days.[b][quote]

Yeah....the white sheets are taking a little getting use to.......

delta6

The1andOnlyKC

01-18-2006, 10:32

I noticed they changed them when I seen another guy filling them out. I guess I will have to go buy a gun so I can see what the new form is all about.... :wink:

bbadmin

02-07-2006, 06:58

Update

http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2006-billwatch.shtml

Currently a bill in the state senate to do what this thread is about.

SB157 Sen. Ken Kester / Rep. Tom Massey
CCW Permit to satisfy Brady Check Senate Judiciary

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics2006a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/0C570F5E4DB318C0872570F50067C019?Open&file=157_01.pdf

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