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Anyone know which entity paid for the "Elk Fence" in Golden on 6th ave? Jeffco or Golden? What a stupid fu$%&^g way to waste money. I live in Jeffco, but work mostly out of town. I saw the million dollar + waste of money project completed today and got pissed. Here is an idea: Let a few people hunt the local parks and thin the herd for a few years. This way the state makes money on it instead of spending it. Stupid Granola crunching, pot smoking LIBTARDS.. I wonder which section of fence I paid for?
Just past the court house and along the golf course. I believe the west side of the road is a park and hiking trail, that goes up into the state owned property on the mountain. Where the elk live.
Or let the stupid insurance companies pay for it. Oh wait, I forgot that they decide what happens with our money..[Bang][Bang][Bang]
Bailey Guns
12-28-2010, 21:41
Stop your complaining and submit. Resistance is futile.
gnihcraes
12-28-2010, 22:15
Sure they aren't using the fence to keep people and animals off the new Light Rail tracks?
Elk, now I'm all hungry.
Stupid citizens - just give the goobermint all of your money - they know best how to spend it. Goobermint will take care of you...after they take care of themselves and the illegals and the welfare maggots.
Sure they aren't using the fence to keep people and animals off the new Light Rail tracks?
You mean the light rail that's underfunded, and cant be completed? No, this fence has nothing to do with a train. More like a train wreck government.
I just ate elk last night[Pepsi]
and I am going to make some elk jerky tomorrow[Tooth]
...and I am going to make some elk jerky tomorrow[Tooth]
mmmmhmmmm.... should I pm you my shipping address? HAHA. [Beer]
BPTactical
12-29-2010, 10:35
Who paid? You did via CDOT and FHWA.
A "Safety" improvement.
Go west on I-70 west of Glenwood- about every mile you now have convenient "launch ramps" for errant vehicles to go airborne. It seems the critters on the western slope are not intelligent enough to figure out what gates are used for and they have now been replaced by "wildlife egress ramps".
Supposedly the wildlife will run along the Right of Way fence until they reach these structures at which point Bambi will just jump down and be safe on the other side.
After working these highways for 19+ years I can say that while the fences do help keep wildlife off of the highways the problem with them is that once a critter gets on the highway side of it they are trapped and then panic. Supposedly the gates are the answer.
Now we need to have a training class for the critters on gate operations.
Byte Stryke
12-29-2010, 10:37
I just ate elk last night[Pepsi]
and I am going to make some elk jerky tomorrow[Tooth]
YUM!
What time is dinner?
Scanker19
12-29-2010, 13:22
Look at the bright side, at least we're not replacing every street sign so they are in CAPITAL letters.
Look at the bright side, at least we're not replacing every street sign so they are in CAPITAL letters.
Your correct. But we will be replacing them in Spanish.
Who paid? You did via CDOT and FHWA.
A "Safety" improvement.
Go west on I-70 west of Glenwood- about every mile you now have convenient "launch ramps" for errant vehicles to go airborne. It seems the critters on the western slope are not intelligent enough to figure out what gates are used for and they have now been replaced by "wildlife egress ramps".
Supposedly the wildlife will run along the Right of Way fence until they reach these structures at which point Bambi will just jump down and be safe on the other side.
After working these highways for 19+ years I can say that while the fences do help keep wildlife off of the highways the problem with them is that once a critter gets on the highway side of it they are trapped and then panic. Supposedly the gates are the answer.
Now we need to have a training class for the critters on gate operations.
We also have to thank the Cattle Ass ociation for making Colorado a "fence out" state. Meaning it's the States responsiblity to keep cattle,heep and others from entering the State roads.
Notice all the new cattle guard crossings to?
Your correct. But we will be replacing them in Spanish.
More than true... several here in the Springs carry both English and Spanish... so, so, sad. Mostly in "immigrant" neighborhoods, but it's still sad.
Really? I haven't seen any bilingual road signs yet and I deliver pizza. Bilingual signs have got to be the largest waste of tax dollars EVER. You don't need to translate the name of anything, because that is what it is called damnit!
If anything, they should install trijicon in every sign and start with the ones that are faded so much you can't even see them.
BPTactical
12-29-2010, 20:27
We also have to thank the Cattle Ass ociation for making Colorado a "fence out" state. Meaning it's the States responsiblity to keep cattle,heep and others from entering the State roads.
Notice all the new cattle guard crossings to?
More correctly it is known as an "Open Range" state and is fairly common in western states.
And you are correct- it is not the livestock owners obligation to keep livestock from the highway, rather CDOT must keep the fences in servicable repair to exclude livestock. CDOT even has to pay livestock owners if their stock gets hit on a State highway.
CDOT even has to pay livestock owners if their stock gets hit on a State highway.
This was something that I had to learn about when I did claims in CO, WY, UT, and MT. The states don't all have the same open range laws. I learned the laws, but never really had a claim where I used them, so I forgot them all. If I remember correctly, in states that use the Open Range laws, if you hit an animal, you owe the rancher, rather than the rancher owing you for damages to your vehicle. With open range, you're supposed to expect animals to be on the road and drive accordingly. If you hit a cow or something, you are at fault and your insurance company will reimburse the rancher. I think I paid $800 a head on one claim. Maybe it was only $400, I really don't remember.
In an Open Range state, the state/city whatever is only required to place fences on certain roads (interstates and state highways I think). So I think if you have an animal that is hit, you'd only be owed by the state if it happened on a certain road, and there was evidence of a damaged fence.
It has been awhile though if I'm wrong on anything.
BPTactical
12-30-2010, 08:15
This was something that I had to learn about when I did claims in CO, WY, UT, and MT. The states don't all have the same open range laws. I learned the laws, but never really had a claim where I used them, so I forgot them all. If I remember correctly, in states that use the Open Range laws, if you hit an animal, you owe the rancher, rather than the rancher owing you for damages to your vehicle. With open range, you're supposed to expect animals to be on the road and drive accordingly. If you hit a cow or something, you are at fault and your insurance company will reimburse the rancher. I think I paid $800 a head on one claim. Maybe it was only $400, I really don't remember.
In an Open Range state, the state/city whatever is only required to place fences on certain roads (interstates and state highways I think). So I think if you have an animal that is hit, you'd only be owed by the state if it happened on a certain road, and there was evidence of a damaged fence.
It has been awhile though if I'm wrong on anything.
No Stu- you pretty much have it right. The funny thing is I have been through interviews for the Denver metro region and Open Range policy has been an interview question. The only cattle I have seen in Denver metro were in line at the Golden Corral.
Scanker19
12-30-2010, 08:22
The only cattle I have seen in Denver metro were in line at the Golden Corral.
IN line or ON the Serving line.
mmmmm......Golden Corral.
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