Who owns a RED Hummer H2?

[Geology Rocks]

I was shooting at south site today with Duex. There was a red hummer H2 out there with 2 individuals doing something very irresponsible and against the law.

I walked back to my vehicle and was packing up while they were shooting. I notice one person with Bino's so I was watching for a second just to see the gun and what they were shooting at. I then watched roughly a 20ft pine tree still alive with green needles on it fall over sideways in slow motion. YOU SHOT DOWN A LIVE TREE WITH YOUR RIFLE!!!! That is not only going to get this place shut down, but its against the LAW! GROW UP and respect the land and the firearm.

Joe

[Elhuero]

a red hummer H2


there's your answer.

douchebag is as douchebag does.

[RCCrawler]

I am sure you went right down and got their license plate number and you have called and reported them right?

Or did you just think that the right thing to do would be come back and tell us about it on the internet?

[sniper7]

Did you shoot their tires out and tell them mother natures' a bitch

[Geology Rocks]

I am sure you went right down and got their license plate number and you have called and reported them right?

Or did you just think that the right thing to do would be come back and tell us about it on the internet?

I did not see a front plate on the Hummer when I looked. The only plate would have been on the back which is where they were shooting. I did not feel at that moment that it was safe to go and put myself in that place to get their plate.

I even told Duex that I wanted to go up there and get it, but wouldnt due to location.

joe

[gnihcraes]

Probably should still report it though, someone will see that H2 and check them out at the minimum.

[Geology Rocks]

Probably should still report it though, someone will see that H2 and check them out at the minimum.

will do. what ranger district is it down there? They wont shut the place down will they?

joe

[zteknik]

sad to say there are aholes everywhere[Mad] ruining it for those of us who do the right thing!!
did you get a good look at the people involved?if so you should add that when you report it -or at least remember who they were so you can finger them out or catch there tag #s

[Geology Rocks]

sad to say there are aholes everywhere[Mad] ruining it for those of us who do the right thing!!
did you get a good look at the people involved?if so you should add that when you report it -or at least remember who they were so you can finger them out or catch there tag #s


yes...I could recognize them.

joe

[zteknik]

yes...I could recognize them.

joe
just keep an eye out for them get there tags and bingo-hopfully the local law enforcment will do somthing about it
since you have a witness they can get ugly on there @sses

[gnihcraes]

I'd probably go with Elpaso County Sheriff (or is that Douglas County there?) first and they would probably know where to go with it from there.

[Geology Rocks]

I'd probably go with Elpaso County Sheriff (or is that Douglas County there?) first and they would probably know where to go with it from there.


I know driving back north I pass an entering douglas county so i dont think its in douglas. anyone?

joe

[sniper7]

Everyone is forgetting a key aspect. You need to get testimony from the tree that was shot

[Geology Rocks]

Everyone is forgetting a key aspect. You need to get testimony from the tree that was shot

i will go and get pictures of the tree as it lays there helpless and cold. k?

joe

[StagLefty]

CSI Forest ???? [ROFL1]

[Marlin]

I know driving back north I pass an entering douglas county so i dont think its in douglas. anyone?

joe


I believe it is just over the line into El Paso.. Don't hold me to it completely though..

[Geology Rocks]

I believe it is just over the line into El Paso.. Don't hold me to it completely though..

to late...you have been quoted and are now being held to it completely:D

joe

[spyder]

CSI Forest ???? [ROFL1]

[ROFL1] [Beer]

[ldmaster]

I'm in LE and just couldn't figure out what the crime would be...

But I'm sure ELF (Earth Liberation Front) would love to help you track them down.

You mentioned the tree, but were they, in addition, shooting in an unsafe direction?

I guess I'm saying I dont see what the crime here is. Perhaps destruction of property, but then, the tree was on the range? You don't say.

[jerrymrc]

I'm in LE and just couldn't figure out what the crime would be...

But I'm sure ELF (Earth Liberation Front) would love to help you track them down.

You mentioned the tree, but were they, in addition, shooting in an unsafe direction?

I guess I'm saying I dont see what the crime here is. Perhaps destruction of property, but then, the tree was on the range? You don't say.

I believe it is illegal to cut down a live tree in a national Forrest without a permit. It is also a part of the burn area and the couple of times I have talked with the rangers they were adamant about leaving the live trees alone.

Hard enough to rebuild a forrest that was burnt by some careless bitch over a love letter but all it takes is a couple of Rampart Range idijts and the FS will shut it down. They have been tolerant so far and people have kept the place in fair condition but it will only take a couple of live trees shot apart and it will be gone forever.

[Jumpstart]

I know driving back north I pass an entering douglas county so i dont think its in douglas. anyone?

joe
It's in Douglas county, just over the Teller county line.

[cstone]

"I believe it is illegal to cut down a live tree in a national Forrest without a permit."

There is the answer to your jurisdiction question: The US Forest Service.

I do not know the regulations, however I do not believe that cutting down a live tree with small arms will result in anything greater than a fine. The USFS rangers would be the subject matter experts for that issue.

For me, it is just as upsetting to drive into Pawnee range areas and see all of the garbage. If people don't learn to respect what isn't theirs, then it isn't likely that I will be able to teach them.

[Geology Rocks]

I'm in LE and just couldn't figure out what the crime would be...

But I'm sure ELF (Earth Liberation Front) would love to help you track them down.

You mentioned the tree, but were they, in addition, shooting in an unsafe direction?

I guess I'm saying I dont see what the crime here is. Perhaps destruction of property, but then, the tree was on the range? You don't say.






Target Shooting rules apply to firearms, air rifles and gas guns. This includes devices used in recreational Paintball activities.
Shooters are prohibited from destroying any natural feature on the National Forest, including plants and trees.
Shooters shall not use paintballs or other forms of ammunition that would result in visible residue except where authorized in ranges that operate under special-use permit.
Steel core, armor piercing or Teflon ammunition is not permitted.
You may only shoot at a target which is dirt, paper, wood, clay pigeon, or a metal spinning/knockdown target. Pick up your targets when you are done.
Firearms must not be discharged within 150 yards of any developed area such as roads, trails, campgrounds, bodies of water, etc.

Copied from the national Forest website and told me by a pike forest ranger 2 years ago. If it has changed its news to me....

Joe

[sniper7]

i honestly see absolutely nothing coming about from this. the tree was probably shot at multiple times before, these guys finished it off.

was it wrong? yes.

is the forest service going to go through mass amount of effort to track these guys (who nobody has any info on), then prove they were the ones or get them to admit that they shot and killed the tree, and finally give them a fine.
I highly doubt it.

[sniper7]

Copied from the national Forest website and told me by a pike forest ranger 2 years ago. If it has changed its news to me....

Joe


I always caught multiple people off trail on dirt bikes destroying national forest, which i had pictures of the destruction, the bikes, the people, and their OHV permit numbers, all taken down by me personally to the white river national forest service station, filled out the reports on each person and event and not a damn thing was done about it.

[jerrymrc]

i honestly see absolutely nothing coming about from this. the tree was probably shot at multiple times before, these guys finished it off.

was it wrong? yes.

is the forest service going to go through mass amount of effort to track these guys (who nobody has any info on), then prove they were the ones or get them to admit that they shot and killed the tree, and finally give them a fine.
I highly doubt it.

No they will not. Having been at many a FS meeting back in the day (only about 8 years ago) I can tell you that A. they do not give a shit about you.

B. they make rules up as they go and you are the one that will be screwed.

c. They have the power at the local level to make 1000 of acres off limits to shooting.

You act like there is some sort of law that protects us when it comes to shooting on federal land. You are sadly mistaken.

In all reality I have no dog in this fight because I do belong to a couple of ranges that are close to me. The only reason I go to these areas is because of the site and it's members.

Go to your local forrest service office and bitch at them. Tell them the laws that make you able to shoot on federal land. ;)

They will (and have) used one mistake on the shooting community to make large areas "off limits".

[Marlin]

to late...you have been quoted and are now being held to it completely:D

joe


You forget, I can make them both disappear...[Abused]

Long day.. Hee,,hee.. Forgot where I was.. or, it was..

[Bowtie]

Hey guys, stop shooting trees. And clean that shit up

Thats all.

[Beprepared]

Douglas County, $500 for shooting a live tree, $2000 for cutting one down. I believe it is still in the Manitou Experimental Forest(or maybe borders) and the Dr. currently in charge has been getting rather persnickety. He has already thinking of limiting atv access in that area. I enjoy shooting at the south site, it's my F'ING backyard, but I'm enjoying it less and less. Lets keep things clean and lawful.

[BushMasterBoy]

The ranger is not gonna like this Yogi...

[Clint45]

What kind of rifle were they using?

[Bowtie]

Douglas County, $500 for shooting a live tree, $2000 for cutting one down. I believe it is still in the Manitou Experimental Forest(or maybe borders) and the Dr. currently in charge has been getting rather persnickety. He has already thinking of limiting atv access in that area. I enjoy shooting at the south site, it's my F'ING backyard, but I'm enjoying it less and less. Lets keep things clean and lawful.

Do you think these guys should pay a $2500 fine?

[bobbyfairbanks]

They probable don't even know that law. I didnt know you couldnt put targets on trees or hanging off of trees till a ranger saw me do it and let me know about the rules. That is where people should start at. Politely let people know what they are doing wrong.

[Geology Rocks]

They probable don't even know that law. I didnt know you couldnt put targets on trees or hanging off of trees till a ranger saw me do it and let me know about the rules. That is where people should start at. Politely let people know what they are doing wrong.

I have a very good friend who is a very high powered attorney in Denver. He has always said..."ignorance is no defense."

joe

[Clint45]

I have a very good friend who is a very high powered attorney in Denver. He has always said..."ignorance is no defense."


True . . . although it might constitute a mitigating circumstance in regard to sentencing.

There are a lot of details we don't know about this. Did they handle their firearms in an unsafe manner? Did they break any other laws?

[WETWRKS]

I have a very good friend who is a very high powered attorney in Denver. He has always said..."ignorance is no defense."...unless you are an agent of the government. Then it is ok.

LOL :)

[Irving]

there's your answer.

douchebag is as douchebag does.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[StagLefty]

Took the words right out of my mouth.

YUK [Puke]

[mx'r]

If anyone gets the urge, I have several trees in my yard that are ready to be shot. I'm taking RSVP's for Earth Day, for a mass tree shooting.
Please, no Hummers.

[copfish]

It is guys like that who cause the areas to be shut down. It is our responsibility as responsible firearms owners to report these miscreants to the USFS LE Rangers. The area is in Douglas County and the District Ranger (Pikes Peak (http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPwhQ oY6IeDdGCqCPOBqwDLG-AAjgb6fh75uan6BdnZaY6OiooA1tkqlQ!!/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfMjAwMDAwMDBBODBPSEhWTjBNMD AwMDAwMDA!/?ss=110212&navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&cid=FSE_003853&navid=091000000000000&pnavid=null&position=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&ttype=main&pname=Pike%2520%2520and%2520San%2520Isabel%2520Nat ional%2520Forest%2520and%2520Cimarron%2520and%2520 Comanche%2520National%2520Grasslands-%2520Home/pp/)) is out of Woodland Park, (719) 636-1602.

[roman gnome]

Pretty sure it's in Douglas Co. I seen the Hummer pull in after I got there.

And I'm sure the guy in the blue pickup was legal, he was there just testing some 38spec reloads.

Or so I've been told..[Tooth]

[alxone]

Did you shoot their tires out and tell them mother natures' a bitch
HA! too funny[ROFL1]

[Beprepared]

Do you think these guys should pay a $2500 fine?
Not necessarily. Not for me to judge. I knew it was wrong to shoot trees that aren't your own(sounds like fun Mx'r) just recently became aware of the fine for the peoples trees. Read some gun reviewers test ballistic based on how many X type of trees bullet will pass/penetrate.